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Rice and beans can also get stuck between our chompers. Also bean sprouts and lettuce. But I still love them. My big protein source is pinto beans on a tortilla with lots of greens and Thai peppers. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: In addition, our teeth are not those of carnivores. We have teeth similar to other primates. We can't tear into our food. We chomp like a chimp. Our teeth are suited to nuts, seeds, grains, fruit, leaves, tubers and roots. When we try to shred meat, even the most tender steak or well cooked chicken, our teeth tend to mash it down rather than prepare it properly for digestion. Our gall bladders work overtime trying to deal with animal fat. All animal flesh has fat in it, even the stuff listed as lean. The meat gets stuck between our chompers and causes tooth decay whereas if we ate rice, beans, plants and fruits, we would haves less reason to floss. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too. There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit. Some of the Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind over matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the time because of all the available fruit. As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs. Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying as long as 36 hours, and with weaker digestive juices. If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also destroys the planet in more ways than one. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer because I would have to kill the animals. One look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on 4H. They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter. A betrayal is ever I saw one. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too. There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit. Some of the Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind over matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the time because of all the available fruit. As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs. Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying as long as 36 hours, and with weaker digestive juices. If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also destroys the planet in more ways than one. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize children's feelings for animals! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer because I would have to kill the animals. One look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on 4H. They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter. A betrayal is ever I saw one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. ~ * Joslin Irene *~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize children's feelings for animals! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer because I would have to kill the animals. One look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on 4H. They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter. A betrayal is ever I saw one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or not. The main thing is that humans are omnivorous. We can survive quite nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products. Killing a chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right. I can't do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to live. It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant tomatoes and pumpkins. I applaud farming, especially organic farming. But raising a 700 pound pig or steer called Baby and then winning over a thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea of teaching kids ethics. What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to send your friend off to be slaughtered. Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when the final day comes and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed. Even the money is not solace. So what type of lesson do they learn? That they have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder. Think about how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats for food is acceptable. Why do we consider some animals food and some as respected companions and family members? When you think about that, maybe you won't be a 4H enthusiast any more. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. ~ * Joslin Irene *~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize children's feelings for animals! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer because I would have to kill the animals. One look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on 4H. They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter. A betrayal is ever I saw one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree with you – if it entailed great organic farming, 4-H would be very worthwhile! I put that in the same category as a parent last year , as punishment, made the child kill their cat, or some morons punishing their children by throwing their pets out of the windows in multi-storied buildings! That borders on child abuse! Children are naturally dawn to animals, and when they rear an animal until adulthood, they love it – then giving it up to be slaughtered is definitely a shock to some kids (not all!), and they will never forget it. I also dislike Heifer International, where they give a village a cow or a goat (to supply milk, or whatever) – but doesn’t a cow have to be kept pregnant in order to lactate – DUH! Most of the time, the village is so poor, no water, totally arid, and one wonders just how that animal will survive without food and water……and they always show the people all laughing and smiling, pictured with the donated animal….it’s almost as bad a sending them a lawn mower or snow plow. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or not. The main thing is that humans are omnivorous. We can survive quite nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products. Killing a chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right. I can't do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to live. It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant tomatoes and pumpkins. I applaud farming, especially organic farming. But raising a 700 pound pig or steer called Baby and then winning over a thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea of teaching kids ethics. What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to send your friend off to be slaughtered. Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when the final day comes and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed. Even the money is not solace. So what type of lesson do they learn? That they have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder. Think about how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats for food is acceptable. Why do we consider some animals food and some as respected companions and family members? When you think about that, maybe you won't be a 4H enthusiast any more. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. ~ * Joslin Irene *~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize children's feelings for animals! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer because I would have to kill the animals. One look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on 4H. They hand raise the animal
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As a small game hunter myself, however, I can understand why one might be upset with the system of eating certain animals and not others. I know in countries overseas like Thialand, China, and Korea they acutally eat dogs and cats, so I can understand your sensitivity when you refer to a rabbit/chicken having a difference of opinion. Since starting this group I joined Change.org in hopes that by signing my name I might be able to make a change, however, the country girl in my can't kick the deer steaks and my all time favirote snapper turtle, but I do respect your choice to be an omnivour. ~ * Joslin Irene *~ From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or not. The main thing is that humans are omnivorous. We can survive quite nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products. Killing a chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right. I can't do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to live. It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant tomatoes and pumpkins. I applaud farming, especially organic farming. But raising a 700 pound pig or steer called Baby and then winning over a thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea of teaching kids ethics. What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to send your friend off to be slaughtered. Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when the final day comes and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed. Even the money is not solace. So what type of lesson do they learn? That they have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder. Think about how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats for food is acceptable. Why do we consider some animals food and some as respected companions and family members? When you think about that, maybe you won't be a 4H enthusiast any more. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. ~ * Joslin Irene *~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize children's feelings for animals! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and think they have rights. I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer because I would have to kill the animals. One look in their eyes and that would be it for me. These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you turn tail and run for shelter. That is why I am not too keen on 4H. They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter. A betrayal is ever I saw one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When I first joined the animal welfare movement, I was and still am an animal rights activist, vegan by ethics and choice. I was treated by some as if I were a terrorist, barely tolerated by them, feared by others, ignored by still others. Finally, one of the fearful people asked me what vegetarians eat. I ask back what did she think they ate and she said, Cabbage, carrots, lettuce, you know, vegetables. I told her that she had probably mistaken us for rabbits. Then I explained the bean protocol, the tofu and soy protocol to her. She wrinkled her nose and said that this can't be healthy. I wrinkled my nose right back at her and said that eating a dead animal isn't healthy either. Some years later, I met her again. She asked after my cats, found that I had as many as I originally had, then asked me if I were still a vegan. I told her I was and she said the she wasn't yet a vegan but she was a vegetarian because of all the horrid things she had heard about how meat was raised and processed. I think that if you are polite and courteous and patient with people and your belief is rational, logical and legitimate, you can eventually educate most people to see your way of thinking as acceptable and even worth trying especially if that belief gets enough press coverage and publicity. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting There are several of us on this list who do not eat meat and believe that animals have the right to a life apart from what humans think they're here for, i.e. simply to feed humans or be used as a sporting event. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:53 AMI get the same response from hostile people. Trees and vegetables are living things so you can't eat that either. Well, I will never be seen munching on a tree. I'm not a woodpecker but my idea is that I never eat anything that had a face or could move on feet, claws, feelers, or any way else. Most vegetables (except politicians) are meant to be eaten. So are fruits. When I was growing vegetables, I would allow a certain number of them to go to seed, to fulfill their need to propagate. The rest I would eat. Humans have a choice. Carnivorous species such as cats, lions, birds of prey don't have a choice so I wouldn't expect them to be made into vegetarians. Unfortunately, here comes the problem. If we all stop eating animals, then we won't kill cows, sheep, pigs and the cats won't have meat in their cat food. But here's the solution. They rarely have much meat in the cat food anyway. The first ingredient in most store products is corn meal. I assume that we could produce a balanced cat food with enough Taurine and other ingredients to satisfy physical needs of a carnivore like a cat if everyone in the world became vegetarian. However, thinking that everyone will some day become vegetarian is rather unrealistic, like those people who think that if we spay and neuter outside cats, colony cats, etc. we will some day not have any more cats and dogs on Earth. Actually, this happened in one city. They picked up all the cats and killed them at the city animal pound. Altogether, 2000 cats were destroyed. It was a small city. Everyone rejoiced. The outside roaming cat population was gone! Several months later, the outside roaming rat and mouse population increased to alarming levels and the city had to import a few hundred cats from surrounding cities to get things back under control. Stupid ideas abound. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Stupid ideas from stupid people! Sorry, I hate to sound so judgemental, but seriously? Killed all the cats? That makes me sick. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:53 AM I get the same response from hostile people. Trees and vegetables are living things so you can't eat that either. Well, I will never be seen munching on a tree. I'm not a woodpecker but my idea is that I never eat anything that had a face or could move on feet, claws, feelers, or any way else. Most vegetables (except politicians) are meant to be eaten. So are fruits. When I was growing vegetables, I would allow a certain number of them to go to seed, to fulfill their need to propagate. The rest I would eat. Humans have a choice. Carnivorous species such as cats, lions, birds of prey don't have a choice so I wouldn't expect them to be made into vegetarians. Unfortunately, here comes the problem. If we all stop eating animals, then we won't kill cows, sheep, pigs and the cats won't have meat in their cat food. But here's the solution. They rarely have much meat in the cat food anyway. The first ingredient in most store products is corn meal. I assume that we could produce a balanced cat food with enough Taurine and other ingredients to satisfy physical needs of a carnivore like a cat if everyone in the world became vegetarian. However, thinking that everyone will some day become vegetarian is rather unrealistic, like those people who think that if we spay and neuter outside cats, colony cats, etc. we will some day not have any more cats and dogs on Earth. Actually, this happened in one city. They picked up all the cats and killed them at the city animal pound. Altogether, 2000 cats were destroyed. It was a small city. Everyone rejoiced. The outside roaming cat population was gone! Several months later, the outside roaming rat and mouse population increased to alarming levels and the city had to import a few hundred cats from surrounding cities to get things back under control. Stupid ideas abound. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was conducive, and I'm sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too. There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit. Some of the Hunzas manage to survive on just energy - not sure how that works, mind over matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the time because of all the available fruit. As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores' are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs. Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying as long as 36 hours, and with weaker digestive juices. If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to change - rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also destroys the planet in more ways than one. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too. There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit. Some of the Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind over matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the time because of all the available fruit. As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs. Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying as long as 36 hours, and with weaker digestive juices. If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also destroys the planet in more ways than one. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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In addition, our teeth are not those of carnivores. We have teeth similar to other primates. We can't tear into our food. We chomp like a chimp. Our teeth are suited to nuts, seeds, grains, fruit, leaves, tubers and roots. When we try to shred meat, even the most tender steak or well cooked chicken, our teeth tend to mash it down rather than prepare it properly for digestion. Our gall bladders work overtime trying to deal with animal fat. All animal flesh has fat in it, even the stuff listed as lean. The meat gets stuck between our chompers and causes tooth decay whereas if we ate rice, beans, plants and fruits, we would haves less reason to floss. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too. There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit. Some of the Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind over matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the time because of all the available fruit. As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs. Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying as long as 36 hours, and with weaker digestive juices. If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also destroys the planet in more ways than one. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Most of the hunting accidents around here are city people coming out with only the weekend to hunt and they get desperate to get a kill. The guys around (all farmers) know the drill and don't go out without their orange on and have been handling guns all their lives so there are not too many cattle, horses shot. It is the ones who have the attitude that pets are just animals and do not deserve to be protected or feral animals either. I don't hold with killing creatures unless they are a threat to me or mine and maybe if I was starving but then I probably could find enough plants and berries to eat. Don't think I could ever look them in the eye and pull the trigger. Yes, you do have a point. because of the extreme dry here (over 2 months), a lot of animals are dying, especially deer. Many are getting pneumonia from breathing in so much dust and so many gaher at the few ponds left that mosquitos are spreading blue tongue like crazy. I would rather see a deer die a quick death from a shot than see them linger on for days in paini. Assumiong the hunter knows how to shoot and if necessary will spend the time to track the wounded deer down and put it out of it's misery. Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Never thought of that Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah Natalie!!! (-: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn't really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I'm sure that you will notice that the population doesn't really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-recovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals. No, I do not eat any meat. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really old type spear. Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all depending on where the deer is shot). A friend in Iowa fed one such deer with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there - she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet. It took a whole year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between! Most is trophy hunting! Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The person who had the experience with Braveheart is actually a member, and I joined at her suggestion because I had two FeLV+ cats at the time. Natalie -Original Message- From: GRAS [mailto:g...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:01 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really old type spear. Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all depending on where the deer is shot). A friend in Iowa fed one such deer with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there - she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet. It took a whole year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between! Most is trophy hunting! Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: *No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.* *No, I do not eat any meat.* ** ** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Joslin Potter *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting ** ** I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ** ** *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting *It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie* * * *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Joslin Potter *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http
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Yes, they are. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There are several of us on this list who do not eat meat and believe that animals have the right to a life apart from what humans think they're here for, i.e. simply to feed humans or be used as a sporting event. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yeah Natalie!!! (-: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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In CT and many other states they are no longer required to have IDs on arrows - it was fought tooth and nail because they didn't want to be identified as bad marksmen! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-r ecovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
