Re: Kitten Update
Yes, I can tell Giardia and Coccidia from the smell. They smell different, but both bad. On 10/6/07, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, all diarrhea smells pretty bad. lol. As I said, I haven't had > experience with Giardia, but when I used to foster kittens I could tell the > coccidia smell from something else. lol. > t > > Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh yes, yes it does. Giardia smells horrible. Believe me, I know. > > On 9/30/07, catatonya wrote: > > I don't think Giardia has a specific odor like coccidia, etc It's more > > like a nuisance diarrhea that's not that bad, but just won't go away. > > t > > > > laurieskatz wrote: > > > > I don't remember Giardia odor but think it's from drinking dirty water. > > Treatable...I think with antibiotics. I don't recall vets finding it in a > > stool sample...just that we've treated cats with diarrhea for it. > > Laurie > > - Original Message - > > From: MaryChristine > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:57 AM > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > > > kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, > isn't > > in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far > (keeping > > lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know > it's > > smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget > it. > > you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem > just > > from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma > > all its own. > > > > i > > > > On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because > I > > don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same > > litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day > > when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey > > ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so > > crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I > ended > > up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and > > couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who > had > > it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate > > crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will > > eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it > > last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's > > clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's > so > > hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more > > longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has > > this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it > > would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime > > he eats and who has a tiny head! > > > They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was > > a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. > > > We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to > > pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some > > answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! > > > -Caroline > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the > > kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends > > and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it > to > > the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens > > are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can > > usually tell from the smell. ugh. > > > > > > With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good > > idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows > > up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. &g
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Hi Caroline, Did you ever get Yoda's fecal to a vet? In the meantime I know our shelter used to cook rice in chicken broth and give it to kittens with diarrhea. They said it helped. I don't know if it really did or not, but I used to cook it and take it to them. You might also try keeping yoda totally on wet food and mixing it with some canned pumpkin. Is he eating a variety of foods? (wet and dry?) I would switch him to just one thing only for a while. Is h e taking vitamin C? That can cause diarrhea tonya Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } The diarrhea contiunes but it's now mostly affecting Yoda. The other two will have normal poos, and then sometimes soft, cow-pie poos, but they are not having the runny, watery, sometimes mucousy diarrhea Yoda is now having. I'm just baffeled. And upset for him. I went to scoop him up yesterday and he tried to dodge me (he's wiley), so instead of getting scruff or the mid-section of his body, I got only his hind quarters and I grabbed on. Well, the poor thing simulanteously let out a baby-bird/girly squeal and also passed gas at the same time (really loudly). I thought some diarrhea may have shot out accidently (it hadn't) when I grabbed him because the passing gas noise was so loud. I felt so bad- his tummy must have been bothering him. So I immediately put him in his crate in his litter box and the poor thing immediately had really gassy, totally liquidy diarrhea. I know, it's gross, I'm sorry! I felt so bad for him. He also had to get a "bath" yesterday morning because his feet were all pooy from a night in the crate- his litter box was a mess, he'd had two boughts of diarrhea/cow pies thru the night- I couldn't really tell if it was diarrhea because he'd spent a lot of time burying them, hence the dirty feet. He was good for his bath tho! He's getting Immodium AD and it seems to not be working at all! But he's still status quo- eating like a piggy, drinking water, running around and playing fine. I guess I will call the Vet and see what he has to say... I myself had been sick since Tuesday the 18th!!! I only took one day off work because I thought it was just allergies/change of season, etc., so I didn't go to the Dr. because I didn't want to be put on an antibiotic that would just destroy my stomach...I pushed myself too much last weekend and ended up with laryngitis. I finally got my voice back last Wed. and thought all was well. Well, Friday at work I felt intense muscle pain and my neck hurt, I felt like I would throw up-- it was horrible. I finally just went home early and admitted to myself that I had a fever! No other symptoms besides a fever and just feeling like I might die. So I spent a miserable Fri. night freezing to death on my couch. By Sat. my fever had broke, but I still felt horrible, so it was couch-time again. I think I am all recovered now but my mom is so mad at me (for not going to the Dr.) and she says that the kitties and I are "all making each other sick!"-- but she's crazy! -Caroline ------------- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:45:49 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kitten update Take 2 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org .ExternalClass DIV {;} Caroline, You're post made me LOL! You're funny! I am hoping you figure out soon what's going on with your guys, because I'm betting it's what's wrong with Ensie. Keep us posted! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:34:45 PM Subject: Kitten update Take 2 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with tha
Re: Kitten Update
Well, all diarrhea smells pretty bad. lol. As I said, I haven't had experience with Giardia, but when I used to foster kittens I could tell the coccidia smell from something else. lol. t Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh yes, yes it does. Giardia smells horrible. Believe me, I know. On 9/30/07, catatonya wrote: > I don't think Giardia has a specific odor like coccidia, etc It's more > like a nuisance diarrhea that's not that bad, but just won't go away. > t > > laurieskatz wrote: > > I don't remember Giardia odor but think it's from drinking dirty water. > Treatable...I think with antibiotics. I don't recall vets finding it in a > stool sample...just that we've treated cats with diarrhea for it. > Laurie > - Original Message - > From: MaryChristine > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, isn't > in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far (keeping > lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know it's > smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget it. > you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem just > from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma > all its own. > > i > > On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > > > > > I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I > don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same > litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day > when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey > ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so > crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended > up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and > couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had > it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate > crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will > eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it > last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's > clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so > hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more > longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has > this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it > would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime > he eats and who has a tiny head! > > They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was > a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. > > We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to > pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some > answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! > > -Caroline > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the > kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends > and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to > the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens > are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can > usually tell from the smell. ugh. > > > > With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good > idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows > up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. > > > > Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, > stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten > we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we > finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the > medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? > > > > t > > > > Kelley Saveika wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > > Eag
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I talked to the Vet today and he says it could be bacterial enteritis so he had prescribed a medicine that I am picking up today to treat Yoda with. The vet says we will try that and if that doesn't clear up the diarrhea, Yoda will go in for further testing, smears, etc. So, I'm going to give it a try. Yoda is not in distress and he's still eating and playing fine-- seems to be loving life-- so as long as he feels good, I am going to stick with this game plan. It's just a little frustrating. I like to have all completely healthy kitties so I can brag! I'm just kidding...kind of. I took pictures of them this weekend, so once we get them loaded on the computer, I would like to share them. Each of the three kittens I have all have completely unique, different faces...it's beautiful and interesting to think about how they have such unique faces...which also translates into unique personalities. It's kind of scary. -Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Kitten update Take 2Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:32:26 -0500 Caroline, This sounds so much like the problems Kitty had with food allergies and pancreas problems. I really think you need to get her checked for those items. You can do an elimination diet fairly easily. If the pancreas is causing problems you want to know it now. Take care. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Kitten update Take 2 The diarrhea contiunes but it's now mostly affecting Yoda. The other two will have normal poos, and then sometimes soft, cow-pie poos, but they are not having the runny, watery, sometimes mucousy diarrhea Yoda is now having. I'm just baffeled. And upset for him. I went to scoop him up yesterday and he tried to dodge me (he's wiley), so instead of getting scruff or the mid-section of his body, I got only his hind quarters and I grabbed on. Well, the poor thing simulanteously let out a baby-bird/girly squeal and also passed gas at the same time (really loudly). I thought some diarrhea may have shot out accidently (it hadn't) when I grabbed him because the passing gas noise was so loud. I felt so bad- his tummy must have been bothering him. So I immediately put him in his crate in his litter box and the poor thing immediately had really gassy, totally liquidy diarrhea. I know, it's gross, I'm sorry! I felt so bad for him. He also had to get a "bath" yesterday morning because his feet were all pooy from a night in the crate- his litter box was a mess, he'd had two boughts of diarrhea/cow pies thru the night- I couldn't really tell if it was diarrhea because he'd spent a lot of time burying them, hence the dirty feet. He was good for his bath tho! He's getting Immodium AD and it seems to not be working at all! But he's still status quo- eating like a piggy, drinking water, running around and playing fine. I guess I will call the Vet and see what he has to say...I myself had been sick since Tuesday the 18th!!! I only took one day off work because I thought it was just allergies/change of season, etc., so I didn't go to the Dr. because I didn't want to be put on an antibiotic that would just destroy my stomach...I pushed myself too much last weekend and ended up with laryngitis. I finally got my voice back last Wed. and thought all was well. Well, Friday at work I felt intense muscle pain and my neck hurt, I felt like I would throw up-- it was horrible. I finally just went home early and admitted to myself that I had a fever! No other symptoms besides a fever and just feeling like I might die. So I spent a miserable Fri. night freezing to death on my couch. By Sat. my fever had broke, but I still felt horrible, so it was couch-time again. I think I am all recovered now but my mom is so mad at me (for not going to the Dr.) and she says that the kitties and I are "all making each other sick!"-- but she's crazy! -Caroline Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:45:49 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Kitten update Take 2To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Caroline, You're post made me LOL! You're funny! I am hoping you figure out soon what's going on with your guys, because I'm betting it's what's wrong with Ensie. Keep us posted! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can
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Caroline, This sounds so much like the problems Kitty had with food allergies and pancreas problems. I really think you need to get her checked for those items. You can do an elimination diet fairly easily. If the pancreas is causing problems you want to know it now. Take care. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Kitten update Take 2 The diarrhea contiunes but it's now mostly affecting Yoda. The other two will have normal poos, and then sometimes soft, cow-pie poos, but they are not having the runny, watery, sometimes mucousy diarrhea Yoda is now having. I'm just baffeled. And upset for him. I went to scoop him up yesterday and he tried to dodge me (he's wiley), so instead of getting scruff or the mid-section of his body, I got only his hind quarters and I grabbed on. Well, the poor thing simulanteously let out a baby-bird/girly squeal and also passed gas at the same time (really loudly). I thought some diarrhea may have shot out accidently (it hadn't) when I grabbed him because the passing gas noise was so loud. I felt so bad- his tummy must have been bothering him. So I immediately put him in his crate in his litter box and the poor thing immediately had really gassy, totally liquidy diarrhea. I know, it's gross, I'm sorry! I felt so bad for him. He also had to get a "bath" yesterday morning because his feet were all pooy from a night in the crate- his litter box was a mess, he'd had two boughts of diarrhea/cow pies thru the night- I couldn't really tell if it was diarrhea because he'd spent a lot of time burying them, hence the dirty feet. He was good for his bath tho! He's getting Immodium AD and it seems to not be working at all! But he's still status quo- eating like a piggy, drinking water, running around and playing fine. I guess I will call the Vet and see what he has to say... I myself had been sick since Tuesday the 18th!!! I only took one day off work because I thought it was just allergies/change of season, etc., so I didn't go to the Dr. because I didn't want to be put on an antibiotic that would just destroy my stomach...I pushed myself too much last weekend and ended up with laryngitis. I finally got my voice back last Wed. and thought all was well. Well, Friday at work I felt intense muscle pain and my neck hurt, I felt like I would throw up-- it was horrible. I finally just went home early and admitted to myself that I had a fever! No other symptoms besides a fever and just feeling like I might die. So I spent a miserable Fri. night freezing to death on my couch. By Sat. my fever had broke, but I still felt horrible, so it was couch-time again. I think I am all recovered now but my mom is so mad at me (for not going to the Dr.) and she says that the kitties and I are "all making each other sick!"-- but she's crazy! -Caroline -------- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:45:49 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kitten update Take 2 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Caroline, You're post made me LOL! You're funny! I am hoping you figure out soon what's going on with your guys, because I'm betting it's what's wrong with Ensie. Keep us posted! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:34:45 PM Subject: Kitten update Take 2 I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which i
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The diarrhea contiunes but it's now mostly affecting Yoda. The other two will have normal poos, and then sometimes soft, cow-pie poos, but they are not having the runny, watery, sometimes mucousy diarrhea Yoda is now having. I'm just baffeled. And upset for him. I went to scoop him up yesterday and he tried to dodge me (he's wiley), so instead of getting scruff or the mid-section of his body, I got only his hind quarters and I grabbed on. Well, the poor thing simulanteously let out a baby-bird/girly squeal and also passed gas at the same time (really loudly). I thought some diarrhea may have shot out accidently (it hadn't) when I grabbed him because the passing gas noise was so loud. I felt so bad- his tummy must have been bothering him. So I immediately put him in his crate in his litter box and the poor thing immediately had really gassy, totally liquidy diarrhea. I know, it's gross, I'm sorry! I felt so bad for him. He also had to get a "bath" yesterday morning because his feet were all pooy from a night in the crate- his litter box was a mess, he'd had two boughts of diarrhea/cow pies thru the night- I couldn't really tell if it was diarrhea because he'd spent a lot of time burying them, hence the dirty feet. He was good for his bath tho! He's getting Immodium AD and it seems to not be working at all! But he's still status quo- eating like a piggy, drinking water, running around and playing fine. I guess I will call the Vet and see what he has to say... I myself had been sick since Tuesday the 18th!!! I only took one day off work because I thought it was just allergies/change of season, etc., so I didn't go to the Dr. because I didn't want to be put on an antibiotic that would just destroy my stomach...I pushed myself too much last weekend and ended up with laryngitis. I finally got my voice back last Wed. and thought all was well. Well, Friday at work I felt intense muscle pain and my neck hurt, I felt like I would throw up-- it was horrible. I finally just went home early and admitted to myself that I had a fever! No other symptoms besides a fever and just feeling like I might die. So I spent a miserable Fri. night freezing to death on my couch. By Sat. my fever had broke, but I still felt horrible, so it was couch-time again. I think I am all recovered now but my mom is so mad at me (for not going to the Dr.) and she says that the kitties and I are "all making each other sick!"-- but she's crazy! -Caroline Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:45:49 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Kitten update Take 2To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Caroline, You're post made me LOL! You're funny! I am hoping you figure out soon what's going on with your guys, because I'm betting it's what's wrong with Ensie. Keep us posted! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:34:45 PMSubject: Kitten update Take 2 I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with that. He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then you can't see them. This is how he described it. I told him the diarrhea smells HORRIBLE and he said "h..." He wanted to know when it started and I guessed about Monday. He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried yet. He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see if that helps. If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for giardia). I'm going to give it this weekend I guess. I have two thoughs: #1) it's a random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption day. Althoug
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Caroline, You're post made me LOL! You're funny! I am hoping you figure out soon what's going on with your guys, because I'm betting it's what's wrong with Ensie. Keep us posted! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:34:45 PM Subject: Kitten update Take 2 I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with that. He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then you can't see them. This is how he described it. I told him the diarrhea smells HORRIBLE and he said "h..." He wanted to know when it started and I guessed about Monday. He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried yet. He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see if that helps. If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for giardia). I'm going to give it this weekend I guess. I have two thoughs: #1) it's a random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption day. Although I kept all mine in a separate pen and they did not meet any of the condo cats at the store, they were in the same general area and if it's possible they could get an airborne stomach virus just by being in the same area, maybe that's it? #2) it's giardia and the vet will need Yoda's actual butt to diagnosis it! I came home early from work and Yoda had yet another diarrhea in his box. He was eating dry crunchies when I came in. I immediately gave everyone their Immodium. No sooner had I done that and Yoda had two more separate piles of even runnier, smellier diarrhea (and not to mention, he trashed his crate afterward-- he does it on purpose)! Urgh. He gets away with it because he's cuter than cute and the lil b*stard knows it! I know I need to give the Immodium more of a chance...but still?! If it continues this weekend, I will just drop Yoda off on Monday and say, "here's his butt...have at it; I'm sure he'll give you a 'sample' in all of like 2 minutes!" One of grey ones that are crated together threw up dry food this morning-- just a little bit of it and into their water bowl. It happened while I was at work so I don't know who did it. No one has ever thrown up since I've had them. I don't know if it means anything tho-- it really looked like the cat just ate too fast without chewing because the crunchies were all pratically whole! A kittens...they are so much trouble! I guess I rested on my laurels with them after we beat the URIs so I probably deserve this! Happily tho, I now got my "coop cups" in the mail so no more spilling our waters and trashing our crates and barfing in our waters! I'm so excited! I get as excited about my online pet-care deliveries as I used to get about my clothing purchases that I couldn't afford! I guess that means I've matured? Or maybe my priorities are just more admirable now! I also got my "Just Born" in the mail and I'm starting them on that tonight! -Caroline Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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Oh yes, yes it does. Giardia smells horrible. Believe me, I know. On 9/30/07, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think Giardia has a specific odor like coccidia, etc It's more > like a nuisance diarrhea that's not that bad, but just won't go away. > t > > laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't remember Giardia odor but think it's from drinking dirty water. > Treatable...I think with antibiotics. I don't recall vets finding it in a > stool sample...just that we've treated cats with diarrhea for it. > Laurie > - Original Message - > From: MaryChristine > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, isn't > in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far (keeping > lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know it's > smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget it. > you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem just > from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma > all its own. > > i > > On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I > don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same > litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day > when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey > ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so > crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended > up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and > couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had > it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate > crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will > eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it > last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's > clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so > hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more > longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has > this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it > would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime > he eats and who has a tiny head! > > They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was > a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. > > We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to > pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some > answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! > > -Caroline > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the > kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends > and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to > the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens > are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can > usually tell from the smell. ugh. > > > > With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good > idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows > up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. > > > > Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, > stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten > we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we > finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the > medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? > > > > t > > > > Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that > and > > > we're
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I don't think Giardia has a specific odor like coccidia, etc It's more like a nuisance diarrhea that's not that bad, but just won't go away. t laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't remember Giardia odor but think it's from drinking dirty water. Treatable...I think with antibiotics. I don't recall vets finding it in a stool sample...just that we've treated cats with diarrhea for it. Laurie - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Kitten Update kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, isn't in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far (keeping lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know it's smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget it. you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem just from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma all its own. i On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime he eats and who has a tiny head! They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! -Caroline - Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kitten Update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can usually tell from the smell. ugh. With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? t Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them > in. That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, and I have sent ki
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I was just going to say that really small kittens can dehydrate very quickly. It doesn't sound like the diarrhea is severe enough to be causing dehydration or you would be seeing it. I hope the fecal gives you some info. t Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime he eats and who has a tiny head! They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! -Caroline - Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kitten Update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can usually tell from the smell. ugh. With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? t Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them > in. That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after they had been there a month. In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect). You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal? It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that come in to our local kill shelter. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chi
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I have no idea? I guess I just have to wait and see and keep working the vet. I can always take him to Monkee's Holistic Vet next week if we don't get anywhere with the regular vet. Second opinion. I'll tell him you sent his regards, but I don't think he will care! The funniest thing is that the little monster feels fine! He's super Yoda! He's eating like a pig still, drinking water (out of his coup cup already!) and sleeping normally. He plays like a maniac...attacking the other kittens like it's his job. He wrestles with Izzee and continues to scream like a little baby girl when they are going at it (his usual routine)! He just has diarrhea after he eatsbut he doesn't seem to care! He acts like nothing is out of order. He cracks me up. And I know what he is like when he is ill because that is the condition he first came to me in...struggling to breathe, wanting to sleep all the time, but having restless sleep, never playing at all...just wanting to lay on my chest and be a sick-baby and wanting Izzee to cuddle him (which she wanted nothing to do with!). Those days are long gone and I miss them, but know it's better to have a maniac cat on my hands then a sicky-poo! Hopefully, because of this history with him, I will be able to tell if/when he's starting to feel really crappy. -Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Kitten update Take 2 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:38:13 -0600 poor baby. could it be a food allergy? ibd? can you feed him an unusual protein to see if that helps? I had an ibd cat for 6 years. Finally, home prepared food did the trick. www.catnutrition.org has a great recipe. My best. So frustrating for ou and scarey for him. He must not feel very good...sweet baby. prayers for you both. Laurie - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Kitten update Take 2 I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with that. He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then you can't see them. This is how he described it. I told him the diarrhea smells HORRIBLE and he said "h..." He wanted to know when it started and I guessed about Monday. He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried yet. He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see if that helps. If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for giardia). I'm going to give it this weekend I guess. I have two thoughs: #1) it's a random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption day. Although I kept all mine in a separate pen and they did not meet any of the condo cats at the store, they were in the same general area and if it's possible they could get an airborne stomach virus just by being in the same area, maybe that's it? #2) it's giardia and the vet will need Yoda's actual butt to diagnosis it! I came home early from work and Yoda had yet another diarrhea in his box. He was eating dry crunchies when I came in. I immediately gave everyone their Immodium. No sooner had I done that and Yoda had two more separate piles of even runnier, smellier diarrhea (and not to mention, he trashed his crate afterward-- he does it on purpose)! Urgh. He gets away with it because he's cuter than cute and the lil b*stard knows it! I know I need to give the Immodium more of a chance...but still?! If it continues this weekend, I will just drop Yoda off on Monday and say, "here's his butt...have at it; I'm sure he'll give you a 'sample' in all of like 2 minutes!" One of grey ones that are crated together threw up dry food this morning-- just a little bit of it and into their water bowl. It happened while I was at work so I don't know who did it. No one has ever thrown up since I'
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I have no idea? I guess I just have to wait and see and keep working the vet. I can always take him to Monkee's Holistic Vet next week if we don't get anywhere with the regular vet. Second opinion. I'll tell him you sent his regards, but I don't think he will care! The funniest thing is that the little monster feels fine! He's super Yoda! He's eating like a pig still, drinking water (out of his coup cup already!) and sleeping normally. He plays like a maniac...attacking the other kittens like it's his job. He wrestles with Izzee and continues to scream like a little baby girl when they are going at it (his usual routine)! He just has diarrhea after he eatsbut he doesn't seem to care! He acts like nothing is out of order. He cracks me up. And I know what he is like when he is ill because that is the condition he first came to me in...struggling to breathe, wanting to sleep all the time, but having restless sleep, never playing at all...just wanting to lay on my chest and be a sick-baby and wanting Izzee to cuddle him (which she wanted nothing to do with!). Those days are long gone and I miss them, but know it's better to have a maniac cat on my hands then a sicky-poo! Hopefully, because of this history with him, I will be able to tell if/when he's starting to feel really crappy. -Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Kitten update Take 2 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:38:13 -0600 poor baby. could it be a food allergy? ibd? can you feed him an unusual protein to see if that helps? I had an ibd cat for 6 years. Finally, home prepared food did the trick. www.catnutrition.org has a great recipe. My best. So frustrating for ou and scarey for him. He must not feel very good...sweet baby. prayers for you both. Laurie - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Kitten update Take 2 I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with that. He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then you can't see them. This is how he described it. I told him the diarrhea smells HORRIBLE and he said "h..." He wanted to know when it started and I guessed about Monday. He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried yet. He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see if that helps. If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for giardia). I'm going to give it this weekend I guess. I have two thoughs: #1) it's a random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption day. Although I kept all mine in a separate pen and they did not meet any of the condo cats at the store, they were in the same general area and if it's possible they could get an airborne stomach virus just by being in the same area, maybe that's it? #2) it's giardia and the vet will need Yoda's actual butt to diagnosis it! I came home early from work and Yoda had yet another diarrhea in his box. He was eating dry crunchies when I came in. I immediately gave everyone their Immodium. No sooner had I done that and Yoda had two more separate piles of even runnier, smellier diarrhea (and not to mention, he trashed his crate afterward-- he does it on purpose)! Urgh. He gets away with it because he's cuter than cute and the lil b*stard knows it! I know I need to give the Immodium more of a chance...but still?! If it continues this weekend, I will just drop Yoda off on Monday and say, "here's his butt...have at it; I'm sure he'll give you a 'sample' in all of like 2 minutes!" One of grey ones that are crated together threw up dry food this morning-- just a little bit of it and into their water bowl. It happened while I was at work so I don't know who did it. No one has ever thrown up since I'
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The food allergy is a really good thought. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt developed one at about 12 years of age + developed a problem processing fatty foods. Really big problems odorwise. Try an elimination diet? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Kitten update Take 2 poor baby. could it be a food allergy? ibd? can you feed him an unusual protein to see if that helps? I had an ibd cat for 6 years. Finally, home prepared food did the trick. www.catnutrition.org has a great recipe. My best. So frustrating for ou and scarey for him. He must not feel very good...sweet baby. prayers for you both. Laurie - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Kitten update Take 2 I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with that. He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then you can't see them. This is how he described it. I told him the diarrhea smells HORRIBLE and he said "h..." He wanted to know when it started and I guessed about Monday. He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried yet. He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see if that helps. If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for giardia). I'm going to give it this weekend I guess. I have two thoughs: #1) it's a random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption day. Although I kept all mine in a separate pen and they did not meet any of the condo cats at the store, they were in the same general area and if it's possible they could get an airborne stomach virus just by being in the same area, maybe that's it? #2) it's giardia and the vet will need Yoda's actual butt to diagnosis it! I came home early from work and Yoda had yet another diarrhea in his box. He was eating dry crunchies when I came in. I immediately gave everyone their Immodium. No sooner had I done that and Yoda had two more separate piles of even runnier, smellier diarrhea (and not to mention, he trashed his crate afterward-- he does it on purpose)! Urgh. He gets away with it because he's cuter than cute and the lil b*stard knows it! I know I need to give the Immodium more of a chance...but still?! If it continues this weekend, I will just drop Yoda off on Monday and say, "here's his butt...have at it; I'm sure he'll give you a 'sample' in all of like 2 minutes!" One of grey ones that are crated together threw up dry food this morning-- just a little bit of it and into their water bowl. It happened while I was at work so I don't know who did it. No one has ever thrown up since I've had them. I don't know if it means anything tho-- it really looked like the cat just ate too fast without chewing because the crunchies were all pratically whole! A kittens...they are so much trouble! I guess I rested on my laurels with them after we beat the URIs so I probably deserve this! Happily tho, I now got my "coop cups" in the mail so no more spilling our waters and trashing our crates and barfing in our waters! I'm so excited! I get as excited about my online pet-care deliveries as I used to get about my clothing purchases that I couldn't
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poor baby. could it be a food allergy? ibd? can you feed him an unusual protein to see if that helps? I had an ibd cat for 6 years. Finally, home prepared food did the trick. www.catnutrition.org has a great recipe. My best. So frustrating for ou and scarey for him. He must not feel very good...sweet baby. prayers for you both. Laurie - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Kitten update Take 2 I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with that. He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then you can't see them. This is how he described it. I told him the diarrhea smells HORRIBLE and he said "h..." He wanted to know when it started and I guessed about Monday. He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried yet. He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see if that helps. If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for giardia). I'm going to give it this weekend I guess. I have two thoughs: #1) it's a random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption day. Although I kept all mine in a separate pen and they did not meet any of the condo cats at the store, they were in the same general area and if it's possible they could get an airborne stomach virus just by being in the same area, maybe that's it? #2) it's giardia and the vet will need Yoda's actual butt to diagnosis it! I came home early from work and Yoda had yet another diarrhea in his box. He was eating dry crunchies when I came in. I immediately gave everyone their Immodium. No sooner had I done that and Yoda had two more separate piles of even runnier, smellier diarrhea (and not to mention, he trashed his crate afterward-- he does it on purpose)! Urgh. He gets away with it because he's cuter than cute and the lil b*stard knows it! I know I need to give the Immodium more of a chance...but still?! If it continues this weekend, I will just drop Yoda off on Monday and say, "here's his butt...have at it; I'm sure he'll give you a 'sample' in all of like 2 minutes!" One of grey ones that are crated together threw up dry food this morning-- just a little bit of it and into their water bowl. It happened while I was at work so I don't know who did it. No one has ever thrown up since I've had them. I don't know if it means anything tho-- it really looked like the cat just ate too fast without chewing because the crunchies were all pratically whole! A kittens...they are so much trouble! I guess I rested on my laurels with them after we beat the URIs so I probably deserve this! Happily tho, I now got my "coop cups" in the mail so no more spilling our waters and trashing our crates and barfing in our waters! I'm so excited! I get as excited about my online pet-care deliveries as I used to get about my clothing purchases that I couldn't afford! I guess that means I've matured? Or maybe my priorities are just more admirable now! I also got my "Just Born" in the mail and I'm starting them on that tonight! -Caroline -- Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more!
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Hi Caroline,I have never heard of them needing a sample straight from the cats butt to check for Giardia.I have left samples in the fridge at the shelter for it to be checked and it showed up in my Genevieves when I first brought her home.And thank goodness none of the boys caught it!! Sherry Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }I got the results of Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation. Now I don't know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?"). He doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic. Yoda was the first started on it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time. I was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox). Anyway, he said it could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites. He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with that. He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then you can't see them. This is how he described it. I told him the diarrhea smells HORRIBLE and he said "h..." He wanted to know when it started and I guessed about Monday. He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried yet. He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see if that helps. If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for giardia). I'm going to give it this weekend I guess. I have two thoughs: #1) it's a random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption day. Although I kept all mine in a separate pen and they did not meet any of the condo cats at the store, they were in the same general area and if it's possible they could get an airborne stomach virus just by being in the same area, maybe that's it? #2) it's giardia and the vet will need Yoda's actual butt to diagnosis it! I came home early from work and Yoda had yet another diarrhea in his box. He was eating dry crunchies when I came in. I immediately gave everyone their Immodium. No sooner had I done that and Yoda had two more separate piles of even runnier, smellier diarrhea (and not to mention, he trashed his crate afterward-- he does it on purpose)! Urgh. He gets away with it because he's cuter than cute and the lil b*stard knows it! I know I need to give the Immodium more of a chance...but still?! If it continues this weekend, I will just drop Yoda off on Monday and say, "here's his butt...have at it; I'm sure he'll give you a 'sample' in all of like 2 minutes!" One of grey ones that are crated together threw up dry food this morning-- just a little bit of it and into their water bowl. It happened while I was at work so I don't know who did it. No one has ever thrown up since I've had them. I don't know if it means anything tho-- it really looked like the cat just ate too fast without chewing because the crunchies were all pratically whole! A kittens...they are so much trouble! I guess I rested on my laurels with them after we beat the URIs so I probably deserve this! Happily tho, I now got my "coop cups" in the mail so no more spilling our waters and trashing our crates and barfing in our waters! I'm so excited! I get as excited about my online pet-care deliveries as I used to get about my clothing purchases that I couldn't afford! I guess that means I've matured? Or maybe my priorities are just more admirable now! I also got my "Just Born" in the mail and I'm starting them on that tonight! -Caroline - Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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Giardia is a parasite. You can get it from drinking dirty water, and that is a common way for humans to get it. Dogs and cats can also get it from drinking dirty water..but they can also get it from licking their feet after being in the litterbox..from licking their butts...from sniffing the poop with giardia in it... It is treatable with flagyl..but it can also burrow into the intestines and come out later..it is a PITA ... On 9/28/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't remember Giardia odor but think it's from drinking dirty water. > Treatable...I think with antibiotics. I don't recall vets finding it in a > stool sample...just that we've treated cats with diarrhea for it. > Laurie > > - Original Message - > From: MaryChristine > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, isn't > in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far (keeping > lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know it's > smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget it. > you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem just > from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma > all its own. > > i > > On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I > don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same > litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day > when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey > ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so > crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended > up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and > couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had > it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate > crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will > eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it > last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's > clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so > hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more > longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has > this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it > would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime > he eats and who has a tiny head! > > They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was > a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. > > We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to > pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some > answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! > > -Caroline > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the > kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends > and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to > the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens > are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can > usually tell from the smell. ugh. > > > > With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good > idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows > up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. > > > > Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, > stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten > we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we > finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the > medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? > > > > t > > > > Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic ma
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I don't remember Giardia odor but think it's from drinking dirty water. Treatable...I think with antibiotics. I don't recall vets finding it in a stool sample...just that we've treated cats with diarrhea for it. Laurie - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Kitten Update kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, isn't in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far (keeping lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know it's smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget it. you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem just from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma all its own. i On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime he eats and who has a tiny head! They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! -Caroline -------------- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kitten Update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can usually tell from the smell. ugh. With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? t Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them > in. That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no o
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Giardia is hard to find. That's how it got into my house. My Ciara, who I later had to send to the bridge due to inoperable/untreatable mouth cancer, had giardia..the sample came back clean, so it was diagnosed as IBD. (not by my regular vet, this is what swore me off going to cheap vets, but really he could have missed the giardia too). EVERY cat in my house was exposed and I have been battling it ever since. I can scrub my floor w/bleach one night and get home from work the next day and have 15-20 piles of diarrhea on it. It is horrible. My house smells ungodly. Of course my sense of smell is so compromised by this time I can barely smell it, but even the barely part smells ungodly. On 9/28/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, isn't > in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far (keeping > lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know it's > smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget it. > you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem just > from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma > all its own. > > i > > > On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I > don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same > litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day > when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey > ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so > crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended > up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and > couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had > it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate > crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will > eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it > last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's > clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so > hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more > longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has > this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it > would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime > he eats and who has a tiny head! > > They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was > a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. > > We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to > pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some > answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! > > -Caroline > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the > kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends > and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to > the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens > are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can > usually tell from the smell. ugh. > > > > With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good > idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows > up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. > > > > Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, > stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten > we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we > finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the > medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? > > > > t > > > > Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that > and > > > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow
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kelley, remind me on giardia--is that one that isn't easy to find (ie, isn't in every sample?) i know that's the case with coccidia.. so far (keeping lots and lots of paws crossed), i've never had giardia, so i don't know it's smell, but once you've had coccidia in your house, you never forget it. you know on csi and similar programs, they can tell the illness/problem just from the smell? coccidia is like that. tri-trich has a different aroma all its own. i On 9/28/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I > don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same > litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor > Day when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two > grey ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was > so crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I > ended up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and > couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had > it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate > crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will > eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it > last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's > clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so > hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more > longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has > this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it > would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime > he eats and who has a tiny head! > They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was > a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. > We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to > pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some > answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! > -Caroline > > -- > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the > kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends > and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to > the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens > are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can > usually tell from the smell. ugh. > > With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good > idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows > up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. > > Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, > stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten > we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we > finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the > medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? > > t > > *Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that > and > > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to > the > > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and > whom I > > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have > shown > > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took > them > > in. > > That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, > and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all > - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after > they had been there a month. > > In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten > in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample > doesn't show any (it can be hard to detec
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I think they are June babies, but don't know the dates for sure because I don't have their records with me and I don't think they are from the same litter. They all weigh over 2 lbs now. Yoda shot up from 2.4 at Labor Day when I took him in to 3.6 last Saturday when I weighed him. The two grey ones are smaller, but I need to reweigh them because adoption day was so crazy last Sat., I didn't get a chance to write down their weights. I ended up with one long haired grey one because it wouldn't gain weight and couldn't get fixed yet because it didn't weigh 2 lbs. The volunteer who had it before me was syringe feeding it? But when I got it, it immediately ate crunchies first? So I started mixing wet and dry with that cat and it will eat both now fine. The cat did not need to be syringe fed. I weighed it last Saturday and I think it's 2.4 This is my smallest one, but it's clearly gained weight since I have had it (we think it's a boy, but it's so hard to tell when they are tiny and have long hair!). It's getting more longer than fatter so the cat is really funny-looking now because it has this long, lean skinny mid-section and this big head that looks like it would tip it over! As opposed to Yoda who gets a fat snake belly everytime he eats and who has a tiny head! They are not dripping diarrhea though. As of yesterday, the diarrhea was a little worse tho in all of them- more watery, less cow pie-like. We are doing a stool sample today. My mom is off work so she is going to pick up a Yoda stool sample and take that in. Hopefully, we will have some answers soon. The smelly poo is driving me crazy! -Caroline Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:48:07 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Kitten UpdateTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can usually tell from the smell. ugh. With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? tKelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:> My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by> Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and> we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't> know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the> volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I> needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said> she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown> up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them> in.That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens,and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all- they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia afterthey had been there a month.In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kittenin for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sampledoesn't show any (it can be hard to detect).You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal?It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats intheir houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats thatcome in to our local kill shelter.-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20Please help George!http://rescuties.chipin.com/georgeI GoodSearch for Rescuties.Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching theInternet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx
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See, my vet says flagyl does nothing for coccidia. Coccidia needs sulfa based drugs to kill it. Flagyl kills giardia. Sometimes. It doesn't kill the giardia I've had in my house forever. Nothing else does, either. On 9/28/07, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a while since I've dealt with kittens, but in my fairly long ago > memory, albon rarely touched the coccidia. I know I've had kittens on > metronidazole for it. (flagyl) > t > > > Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did read that coccidia has a 13 day incubation period. And yes, I needed > approval to be able to take a stool sample into the vet that treats the cats > for this group, if I want to be charged the discounted rate (which as a > foster, I feel is only fair). I could take the cats to my own vet or > another vet, but I wouldn't get the discounted rate. The whole thing is > pretty messed up- kinda disorganized, so I just do the best I can. And I > don't necessarily have a problem with the number of cats she has, as the > situation in which they are kept. I ended up with these kittens because > they all had URIs that she was not treating them for- not even with just > terramycin or a triple antibiotic. > They keep Albon in stock and I can get my hands on that to treat them with > and may just end up doing that anyway. But I need to re-weigh everyone > first. > -Caroline > > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:17:52 -0500 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that > and > > > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > > > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to > the > > > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and > whom I > > > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > > > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have > shown > > > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took > them > > > in. > > > > That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, > > and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all > > - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after > > they had been there a month. > > > > In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten > > in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample > > doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect). > > > > You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal? > > > > It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in > > their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that > > come in to our local kill shelter. > > -- > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > > > http://www.rescuties.org > > > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > > > > Please help George! > > > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/george > > > > I GoodSearch for Rescuties. > > > > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the > > Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! > > > > > > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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It's been a while since I've dealt with kittens, but in my fairly long ago memory, albon rarely touched the coccidia. I know I've had kittens on metronidazole for it. (flagyl) t Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }I did read that coccidia has a 13 day incubation period. And yes, I needed approval to be able to take a stool sample into the vet that treats the cats for this group, if I want to be charged the discounted rate (which as a foster, I feel is only fair). I could take the cats to my own vet or another vet, but I wouldn't get the discounted rate. The whole thing is pretty messed up- kinda disorganized, so I just do the best I can. And I don't necessarily have a problem with the number of cats she has, as the situation in which they are kept. I ended up with these kittens because they all had URIs that she was not treating them for- not even with just terramycin or a triple antibiotic. They keep Albon in stock and I can get my hands on that to treat them with and may just end up doing that anyway. But I need to re-weigh everyone first. -Caroline > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:17:52 -0500 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and > > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the > > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I > > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown > > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them > > in. > > That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, > and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all > - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after > they had been there a month. > > In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten > in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample > doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect). > > You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal? > > It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in > their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that > come in to our local kill shelter. > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > > Please help George! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/george > > I GoodSearch for Rescuties. > > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the > Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! > - Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now!
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In my experience though, coccidia gets really bad, really fast. i.e. the kittens are basically dripping diarrheaThey get it on their rear ends and back legs and have to be bathed frequently, etcThey don't make it to the litterbox. That's what has been my experience with coccidia. Kittens are often born with coccidia as well. When you've dealt with it you can usually tell from the smell. ugh. With soft stools a lot of times it's giardia. I think a fecal is a good idea, but if the stools are not as I described above, or if nothing shows up, I don't think I'd add another med. at this time. Lots of kittens just have loose stools due to changes in diet, additives, stress, etc Are they still hydrated? losing weight? I had one kitten we put through the ringer trying to diagnose his loose stools, and we finally just left him alone and they cleared up. I think it was all the medicine we were giving him. How old are the kittens again? t Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them > in. That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after they had been there a month. In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect). You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal? It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that come in to our local kill shelter. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Kitten Update
another thing to look for in the archives is trichomonas--becoming much more of a problem in cats in just the last couple of years, and producer of really stinky poo. phaewyrn had posted all the current research awhile back, but i'm not sure she kept updating it--there's new tests since then (dr gookin's pouch test; you can search the web for more). h, don't see it on her page; for those who are newer, this is a GREAT resource: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I did read that coccidia has a 13 day incubation period. And yes, I > needed approval to be able to take a stool sample into the vet that treats > the cats for this group, if I want to be charged the discounted rate (which > as a foster, I feel is only fair). I could take the cats to my own vet or > another vet, but I wouldn't get the discounted rate. The whole thing is > pretty messed up- kinda disorganized, so I just do the best I can. And I > don't necessarily have a problem with the number of cats she has, as the > situation in which they are kept. I ended up with these kittens because > they all had URIs that she was not treating them for- not even with just > terramycin or a triple antibiotic. > They keep Albon in stock and I can get my hands on that to treat them with > and may just end up doing that anyway. But I need to re-weigh everyone > first. > -Caroline > > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:17:52 -0500 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that > and > > > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I > don't > > > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to > the > > > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and > whom I > > > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She > said > > > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have > shown > > > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took > them > > > in. > > > > That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, > > and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all > > - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after > > they had been there a month. > > > > In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten > > in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample > > doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect). > > > > You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal? > > > > It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in > > their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that > > come in to our local kill shelter. > > -- > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > > > http://www.rescuties.org > > > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > > > > Please help George! > > > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/george > > > > I GoodSearch for Rescuties. > > > > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the > > Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! > > > > > -- > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! > <http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline> > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Yes, that makes sense. I have a vet that only charges $15 for a fecal, but I know other vets charge more. And almost all rescue groups are disorganized. I've been told I am one of the most organized ones, and I'm terribly disorganized - there just are not enough hours in the day. On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did read that coccidia has a 13 day incubation period. And yes, I needed > approval to be able to take a stool sample into the vet that treats the cats > for this group, if I want to be charged the discounted rate (which as a > foster, I feel is only fair). I could take the cats to my own vet or > another vet, but I wouldn't get the discounted rate. The whole thing is > pretty messed up- kinda disorganized, so I just do the best I can. And I > don't necessarily have a problem with the number of cats she has, as the > situation in which they are kept. I ended up with these kittens because > they all had URIs that she was not treating them for- not even with just > terramycin or a triple antibiotic. > They keep Albon in stock and I can get my hands on that to treat them with > and may just end up doing that anyway. But I need to re-weigh everyone > first. > -Caroline > > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:17:52 -0500 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: Kitten Update > > > > > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > > > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that > and > > > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > > > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to > the > > > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and > whom I > > > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > > > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have > shown > > > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took > them > > > in. > > > > That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, > > and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all > > - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after > > they had been there a month. > > > > In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten > > in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample > > doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect). > > > > You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal? > > > > It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in > > their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that > > come in to our local kill shelter. > > -- > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > > > http://www.rescuties.org > > > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > > > > Please help George! > > > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/george > > > > I GoodSearch for Rescuties. > > > > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the > > Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! > > > > > > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
RE: Kitten Update
I did read that coccidia has a 13 day incubation period. And yes, I needed approval to be able to take a stool sample into the vet that treats the cats for this group, if I want to be charged the discounted rate (which as a foster, I feel is only fair). I could take the cats to my own vet or another vet, but I wouldn't get the discounted rate. The whole thing is pretty messed up- kinda disorganized, so I just do the best I can. And I don't necessarily have a problem with the number of cats she has, as the situation in which they are kept. I ended up with these kittens because they all had URIs that she was not treating them for- not even with just terramycin or a triple antibiotic. They keep Albon in stock and I can get my hands on that to treat them with and may just end up doing that anyway. But I need to re-weigh everyone first. -Caroline > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:17:52 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: Kitten Update> > On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by> > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and> > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't> > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the> > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I> > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said> > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown> > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them> > in.> > That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens,> and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all> - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after> they had been there a month.> > In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten> in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample> doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect).> > You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal?> > It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in> their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that> come in to our local kill shelter.> -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.> > http://www.rescuties.org> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20> > Please help George!> > http://rescuties.chipin.com/george> > I GoodSearch for Rescuties.> > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the> Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!> _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline
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On 9/27/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My three kittens are status-quo. I started them on a probiotic made by > Eagle Brand on Tues. evening, so they've had a day and a half of that and > we're still having diarrhea/soft stools/cow pies (and stinky!). I don't > know how long it takes the probiotic to work though? I have talked to the > volunteer of the Adoption group- who originally had these kittens and whom I > needed to obtain approval from before taking in a stool sample. She said > she doubts it's coccidia or girardia because she thinks it would have shown > up earlier because she had them at her house for a while before I took them > in. That isn't necessarily true. Coccidia is so very common in kittens, and I have sent kittens to a "clean" environment (no other cats at all - they are the only cat) and had them come down with coccidia after they had been there a month. In fact, coccidia is so common that every time I have taken a kitten in for a fecal, they have prescribed Albon even if the stool sample doesn't show any (it can be hard to detect). You need to get approval?? Before taking a kitten in for a fecal? It isn't uncommon for rescuers to have 20 or 30 (or more) cats in their houses, by the way. They kill close to 70% of the cats that come in to our local kill shelter. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
P.S. Re: To Leslie Re: Kitten update and FIP question
P.S. Please keep us posted on Powder's adoption. I would love to hear how Satchmo adjusts to her and the funny stuff that happens after you bring her home! :) Wendy --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Leslie, > > Congratulations on Powder's future adoption! > Absolutely, there are kittens who throw off the > virus > and become healthy adults, and even if they don't, > they can live with it for a long time. Many die > before age 3, but some do not. My kitty Cricket > lived > to 4.5 years, and I truly believed he would have > lived > longer had he not been stressed out by ten family > members staying with us in our 1500 sq. ft. house > for > a week during Hurricane Rita. He shortly thereafter > developed anemia. If I were you, I would be giving > the L-lysine and the Mega C for the rest of kitty's > life. Also, good quality food, like Evo. And LOTS > of > love and snuggles! Bless you! > > :) > Wendy > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Leslie Re: Kitten update and FIP question
Leslie, Congratulations on Powder's future adoption! Absolutely, there are kittens who throw off the virus and become healthy adults, and even if they don't, they can live with it for a long time. Many die before age 3, but some do not. My kitty Cricket lived to 4.5 years, and I truly believed he would have lived longer had he not been stressed out by ten family members staying with us in our 1500 sq. ft. house for a week during Hurricane Rita. He shortly thereafter developed anemia. If I were you, I would be giving the L-lysine and the Mega C for the rest of kitty's life. Also, good quality food, like Evo. And LOTS of love and snuggles! Bless you! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Kitten update and FIP question
I'm glad 'what's her name' will be coming home soon, (I'm sure she'll let you know soon enough what she wants to be called!). High hopes and prayers that she turns out to be one of the fortunate and lives a long, healthy life. I think we would all do better concerning ourselves with tomorrow, but living in the "now". Re Satchmo and the little one... I would talk to him about her coming to live with you. Let him know that she's to be HIS kitten, that you are bringing her home so he will have someone to watch over and play with. The "you were once in her place and she needs us" logic doesn't seem to work as well with my crew! I'm sure with as many kitties as you've had, I don't have to remind you to take the introductions slowly and to shower Satch with attention. Let us know all about it. Hugs to you, and congratulations, Nina It seems to be the same phenomenon of the day that you're getting your hair cut, your have a great hair day - because Satch has been in this sweet, I'm-an-only-cat love-bug mood of late. He must know. ;) Leslie
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Hideyo, my heart goes out to you. You have done such an amazing job in caring for these cats, you haven't let one of them down for a second. All of my well wishes and Satch's naughty-cat energy will be pointed toward you and your cats. And Sherry, so sorry to here about Nya. It's true what the others have said, that her life was the better for it, even if it was too short by our standards. MC, Maggie, and Nina, thank you so much for replying to my email. MC what a great wealth of information that was, that makes me feel a lot better about bringing in Powder...and losing Hepburn oddly enough. Nina, thanks for you story of the healthy kittens, and Maggie, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that your two stay on this side of the vet's amazement. :) I've actually been thinking about that comment about how cat's perceive things. No yesterday, no tomorrow, just now. Hungry now, happy now, in pain now, pet me now. It's true and it makes things much simpler. I don't think that I'll keep the name Powder (she's female) because it makes me think of the movie or a dilute calico, and her colors are pretty sharp. I don't know what I'll name her, I'll have to see what strikes me. I hope to pick her up tonight, but it'll be after work, so if the humane society needs to speak to my landlord, I'll have to wait until tomorrow. :) It seems to be the same phenomenon of the day that you're getting your hair cut, your have a great hair day - because Satch has been in this sweet, I'm-an-only-cat love-bug mood of late. He must know. ;) Leslie
Re: Kitten update and FIP question
Leslie, How exciting! Will you keep her named Powder or rename her (or is it a him?)? I don't know anything about FIP. I wish I could give you answers as to how long you can expect Powder to be with you, but I'm afraid I just don't know. My girls are now 9 months and seem to be really strong and healthy, a far cry from two months ago when the vet said one of them was on death's door - so I guess they don't know either. Someone on this board (sorry, I can't give credit because I don't remember!) made a really good point that struck me and has stuck - they said that cats have no concept of future, they only know the now. How true! As long as my girls are happy in the moment that's all that matters because they have no mechanism to fear the future (that's quite a gift!). Maggie -- Original message -- From: Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, it's Leslie again, So here's the FeLV+ kitten update from the Humane Society: I went to visit and play with both kittens last Wednesday and they were so cute. Incredibly active, curious, friendly. The volunteer and I talked about my situation a lot and we agreed that since they are together, it would be ideal to get them a home together. I can't take them both, so I decided to let fate take a hand. Yesterday was my day to volunteer with the dogs, but every 30 minutes or so, I'd wander back over to the cat side and give them a scratch. Since I'm obsessive, I check the website hourly, and at 6 pm last night, Trixie was taken off of it - meaning that she'd found a home! That leaves Powder (the bobtail) and the one that pulled my heart strings a just a little tighter, truth be told. I'm going to call the humane society when they open in an hour and confirm that it wasn't a computer glitch. So now that it looks like I will be taking Powder, I have one question and one request. The question: my last + cat to pass, Hepburn, was taken down by FIP, she had the wet variety, potbelly and all. So whether or not my current + guy, Satchmo, introduced it to her, he was certainly exposed to it before I knew what she had. Should I worry about this in introducing a + kitten to him? I would feel just awful about giving something to a cat that I'm trying to help. What do you think? The request: I know that it's riskier than average to expect a kitten to make it the long haul with leukemia, but do any of you have these success stories? I've heard of kitten's turning negative from you (and please reiterate those and if you did anything special to reach that conclusion), but are there kittens that are positive that grow to be healthy, positive adults? I have already embraced (or am trying) your philosophy that the control we have is over our attitude toward the events in life, not the events themselves (well, to some extent, but not totally). So if my expectations in adopting this kitten are that if we have two months, that's a success, and anything above that is a gift, then that's what I'll do. Thank you all so much, Leslie
Re: Kitten update and FIP question
Hi Leslie, I haven't been able to keep up with the list, I'm betting others with more knowledge than I have posted about potential FIP risks to Powder. From what I understand about it, there are genetic risks involved that take most of the protection against it out of our hands. All I can say is that giving Powder a chance in your loving home would seem to outweigh your concerns. A shelter situation would certainly expose her to greater health risks than Satchmo alone. Maybe I'm operating from the ridiculous premise of "it just wouldn't be fair", but I think Powder is better off with you no matter what happens because of it. You asked about success stories... My little Timmy and his brother Lucky were 2 of 6 kittens born with felv. We didn't find out the litter was pos until the first kitten died. Lucky has never been tested, (he was adopted out and they decided they didn't care what the result of the test was, they were just going to love and care for him), and Tim tested neg when he was finally tested at about 6mos. They are going on 3 yrs now and are both healthy and strong, (the other 4 kittens died between 6mos and 2 yrs old). I think your philosophy of taking each day as a blessing and being grateful for whatever time you have, (while remaining proactive and optimistic), is the best one we can have under any circumstance. I am sure that my little felv angels were part of my life to help me with just this lesson. Blessings and thanks to all our special needs loved ones and all those that have the courage to care for them! When does Powder come home? Nina Leslie wrote: Hello, it's Leslie again, So here's the FeLV+ kitten update from the Humane Society: I went to visit and play with both kittens last Wednesday and they were so cute. Incredibly active, curious, friendly. The volunteer and I talked about my situation a lot and we agreed that since they are together, it would be ideal to get them a home together. I can't take them both, so I decided to let fate take a hand. Yesterday was my day to volunteer with the dogs, but every 30 minutes or so, I'd wander back over to the cat side and give them a scratch. Since I'm obsessive, I check the website hourly, and at 6 pm last night, Trixie was taken off of it - meaning that she'd found a home! That leaves Powder (the bobtail) and the one that pulled my heart strings a just a little tighter, truth be told. I'm going to call the humane society when they open in an hour and confirm that it wasn't a computer glitch. So now that it looks like I will be taking Powder, I have one question and one request. The question: my last + cat to pass, Hepburn, was taken down by FIP, she had the wet variety, potbelly and all. So whether or not my current + guy, Satchmo, introduced it to her, he was certainly exposed to it before I knew what she had. Should I worry about this in introducing a + kitten to him? I would feel just awful about giving something to a cat that I'm trying to help. What do you think? The request: I know that it's riskier than average to expect a kitten to make it the long haul with leukemia, but do any of you have these success stories? I've heard of kitten's turning negative from you (and please reiterate those and if you did anything special to reach that conclusion), but are there kittens that are positive that grow to be healthy, positive adults? I have already embraced (or am trying) your philosophy that the control we have is over our attitude toward the events in life, not the events themselves (well, to some extent, but not totally). So if my expectations in adopting this kitten are that if we have two months, that's a success, and anything above that is a gift, then that's what I'll do. Thank you all so much, Leslie
Re: Kitten update and FIP question
FIP is currently considered to be a MUTATED form of the common corona virus--up to 90% of cats who have been in a multi-cat environment will have been exposed to one of the corona virii. (the same percentage of humans show the same exposure rate!). there is some question about whether or not there is one form of the virus that is more likely to mutate into FIP than others, but the chief proponent of that seems to be the lab that created a test for that strain, which in research has not proved to be reliable or accurate. in other words, most cats have been exposed to corona viruses, but most cats do NOT develop the mutation that causes FIP. the corona virii are contagious, the mutation per se is NOT. current research is showing that there is a genetic predisposition for FIP, which may turn out to be the major factor--right now, no one can predict who will get FIP, there's no way to protect against it, and, essentially, there's no treatment. if you have siblings of the kitty that developed FIP, those would be the most likely to develop it, but the new cat should be at no additional risk. MC On 8/7/06, Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, it's Leslie again, So here's the FeLV+ kitten update from the Humane Society: I went to visit and play with both kittens last Wednesday and they were so cute. Incredibly active, curious, friendly. The volunteer and I talked about my situation a lot and we agreed that since they are together, it would be ideal to get them a home together. I can't take them both, so I decided to let fate take a hand. Yesterday was my day to volunteer with the dogs, but every 30 minutes or so, I'd wander back over to the cat side and give them a scratch. Since I'm obsessive, I check the website hourly, and at 6 pm last night, Trixie was taken off of it - meaning that she'd found a home! That leaves Powder (the bobtail) and the one that pulled my heart strings a just a little tighter, truth be told. I'm going to call the humane society when they open in an hour and confirm that it wasn't a computer glitch. So now that it looks like I will be taking Powder, I have one question and one request. The question: my last + cat to pass, Hepburn, was taken down by FIP, she had the wet variety, potbelly and all. So whether or not my current + guy, Satchmo, introduced it to her, he was certainly exposed to it before I knew what she had. Should I worry about this in introducing a + kitten to him? I would feel just awful about giving something to a cat that I'm trying to help. What do you think? The request: I know that it's riskier than average to expect a kitten to make it the long haul with leukemia, but do any of you have these success stories? I've heard of kitten's turning negative from you (and please reiterate those and if you did anything special to reach that conclusion), but are there kittens that are positive that grow to be healthy, positive adults? I have already embraced (or am trying) your philosophy that the control we have is over our attitude toward the events in life, not the events themselves (well, to some extent, but not totally). So if my expectations in adopting this kitten are that if we have two months, that's a success, and anything above that is a gift, then that's what I'll do. Thank you all so much, Leslie -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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LOL...I like your signature this past post. I like those kind of vets too! I am not sure I believe that vaccinating Freddie before you know for sure if he does/does not have it is a good idea. Some of us think that an unnecessary vaccine can kick the virus into gear. Maybe you can still isolate him, but not vaccinate until he can be tested first. I do agree that he may be too young to be tested however. If he is isolated, you won't have to worry about him contracting it, so it doesn't make sense to vaccinate him. The vaccine is also not very affective. I think it's like only 75-80% effective if I remember correctly. Someone else here will know better about that than me. Hope this helps. :) Wendy --- Ashleigh Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I took the kitten to the vet, and the vet says he > looks healthy. He did not test for FeLV because he > said it would be a waste of as Freddie is too > young to have built up a titer. He recommended > isolating Freddie from Bella for 5-6 weeks until > Freddie can get 3 FeLV vaccines in him, so that's > what I'm going to do. He said Freddie is about 8 > weeks, but he recommended waiting another week or > two to be sure it won't hurt him. > > He said to wait until Freddie is about 4-5 months > to test him for FeLV. He said a lot of small > kittens test negative who really do have FeLV, so he > thinks it is a waste of money at this point. > > ~Ashleigh (who likes vets who care about my > pocketbook) > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com