David W. Fenton wrote:
That didn't say that all functionality is available without a mouse
I still maintain that all functionality (if not all ease-of-use) in
Windows and in other Microsoft software IS available without a mouse
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On 9 Jan 2006 at 7:15, Phil Daley wrote:
> At 1/9/2006 06:59 AM, Owain Sutton wrote:
> The point is that *Windows*, and
> Windows-certificated software, can be >used with a keyboard alone.
> Third-party software which does not follow >MS's specifications
> (probably a deliberate decision in t
Phil Daley wrote:
At 1/9/2006 06:59 AM, Owain Sutton wrote:
>dhbailey wrote:
>> Phil Daley wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> >
>>> >I, for one, am perfectly capable of using Windows with no mousing at
>>> >all.
>>>
>>> You must never use a "drawing" program, some programs will not work
>>>
At 1/9/2006 06:59 AM, Owain Sutton wrote:
>dhbailey wrote:
>> Phil Daley wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> >
>>> >I, for one, am perfectly capable of using Windows with no mousing at
>>> >all.
>>>
>>> You must never use a "drawing" program, some programs will not work
>>> without a mouse.
>>>
>>
>> I ha
dhbailey wrote:
Phil Daley wrote:
[snip]
>
>I, for one, am perfectly capable of using Windows with no mousing at
>all.
You must never use a "drawing" program, some programs will not work
without a mouse.
I have no idea how to use Finale without a mouse, let alone a drawing
program.
Phil Daley wrote:
[snip]
>
>I, for one, am perfectly capable of using Windows with no mousing at
>all.
You must never use a "drawing" program, some programs will not work
without a mouse.
I have no idea how to use Finale without a mouse, let alone a drawing
program.
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At 1/8/2006 03:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 8 Jan 2006 at 20:40, Owain Sutton wrote:
>
>> David W. Fenton wrote:
>> > On 7 Jan 2006 at 22:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:
>> >
>> >>At 10:19 PM 1/7/2006, David W. Fenton wrote:
>> >> >On 7 Jan 2006 at 19:40, Aaron Sherber wrote:
>> >> >> Hmm, not sure
Owain Sutton / 2006/01/08 / 03:40 PM wrote:
>And I vaguely remember hearing that
>one requirement is that all functionality is available through keyboard
>commands alone, so that any peripheral that can create keyboard commands
>can be used.
This is true, written in MS GUI Guideline loud and c
On 8 Jan 2006 at 20:40, Owain Sutton wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 7 Jan 2006 at 22:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> >
> >>At 10:19 PM 1/7/2006, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >> >On 7 Jan 2006 at 19:40, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> >> >> Hmm, not sure what you mean here. The WinFin toolbar *is*
> >> >> c
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 7 Jan 2006 at 22:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 10:19 PM 1/7/2006, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 7 Jan 2006 at 19:40, Aaron Sherber wrote:
>> Hmm, not sure what you mean here. The WinFin toolbar *is*
>> customizable -- we just don't have an equivalent to the Cmd-Click
>>
On 7 Jan 2006 at 22:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> At 10:19 PM 1/7/2006, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >On 7 Jan 2006 at 19:40, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> >> Hmm, not sure what you mean here. The WinFin toolbar *is*
> >> customizable -- we just don't have an equivalent to the Cmd-Click
> >> master access y
At 10:19 PM 1/7/2006, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 7 Jan 2006 at 19:40, Aaron Sherber wrote:
>> Hmm, not sure what you mean here. The WinFin toolbar *is*
>> customizable -- we just don't have an equivalent to the Cmd-Click
>> master access you have on Mac. And the keystroke shortcut (I assume
>> you
On 7 Jan 2006 at 19:40, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> At 02:19 PM 1/7/2006, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >Hey, I'll trade you my Mac's customisable tool bar for your Windows'
> >keystroke-for-every-single-mother-lovin'-menu-item! 8-)
>
> Hmm, not sure what you mean here. The WinFin toolbar *is*
> custo
At 02:19 PM 1/7/2006, Christopher Smith wrote:
>Hey, I'll trade you my Mac's customisable tool bar for your Windows'
>keystroke-for-every-single-mother-lovin'-menu-item! 8-)
Hmm, not sure what you mean here. The WinFin toolbar *is*
customizable -- we just don't have an equivalent to the Cmd-Clic
Phil Daley / 2006/01/07 / 06:58 PM wrote:
>I have received over 50 responses from MS about various issues.
Maybe because you are on Windows? Back then, they had no phone number
listed to call so I had to call the headquarters to find someone will
talk to me. I was so upset just installing Offic
Phil Daley wrote:
I have received over 50 responses from MS about various issues.
I too have had excellent support from MS. As much as I may adore the
concept of open-source software, I cannot deny that when I've needed to
deal with MS support, it's been prompt, knowledgable, and genuin
At 02:53 PM 1/7/2006, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
>Michael Cook / 2006/01/07 / 04:39 AM wrote:
>
>>I use Microsoft Word 2001 for Mac. In this version, at least, I can put
>>*any* command in *any* menu.
>
>I stand corrected. I see the feature as the first time. On the other
>hand, I have never ever rec
dhbailey wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Which makes me wonder, if it were possible to design a range
checker which could render an opinion on the efficacy of ranges for
a variety of player abilities, e.g., H.S., College, Professional. I
happen to have a range chart (hard copy) which
On Jan 7, 2006, at 5:15 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 7 Jan 2006 at 13:06, Christopher Smith wrote:
This keyboard shortcut does NOT appear next to the menu item, like
most of the shortcuts do (at least, not in the Mac version.) I don't
know why, but it should. Then not only you, but everyone
On Jan 7, 2006, at 5:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
While it would certainly be nice to have user-definable keyboard
shortcuts beyond the existing metatools, such a feature could never
solve problems of bad UI design. In fact, it would only solve one UI
problem, and that's giving quick access to
On 7 Jan 2006 at 13:06, Christopher Smith wrote:
> This keyboard shortcut does NOT appear next to the menu item, like
> most of the shortcuts do (at least, not in the Mac version.) I don't
> know why, but it should. Then not only you, but everyone else who had
> missed it would have seen it after
On 7 Jan 2006 at 8:28, dhbailey wrote:
> don't like ctrl-s for save? Change it to whatever you want. Hate
> using the numeric-keypad for selecting note values? Change them. I
> recently discovered that (my new year's resolution was to get to know
> Sibelius better) and I simply assigned the sa
On 7 Jan 2006 at 8:22, dhbailey wrote:
> Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>
> > On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>On 6 Jan 2006 at 14:04, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> And it seems to me that there oughtn't
On 7 Jan 2006 at 8:16, dhbailey wrote:
> How about the equally valid musical concept of "thickening of the
> texture?" Doubling a line is often used to thicken the texture of a
> passage, so why don't we include that as yet a third way to arrive at
> the same program feature?
You are conflating
Michael Cook / 2006/01/07 / 04:39 AM wrote:
>I use Microsoft Word 2001 for Mac. In this version, at least, I can put
>*any* command in *any* menu.
I stand corrected. I see the feature as the first time. On the other
hand, I have never ever received any support from Micro$haft. Once I
wanted t
Christopher Smith / 2006/01/07 / 12:48 PM wrote:
>The heavy classical symphony players with the local orchestras here
>(including the Montreal Symphony) all claim that the low B joint ruins
>a flute's tone and response in high-end flutes. When they have to play
>a low B in a concert, they pick
Christopher Smith / 2006/01/07 / 10:00 AM wrote:
>But if I wanted to click on an icon, why wouldn't I just click on the
>icon in the Tool palette? Instead of cmd-click, then point and click, I
>would just point and click.
Ah, because I hide tool pallet :-)
--
- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 12:42 PM 1/7/2006, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>I am sure I am not the only person on this list who has customized my
>master tool palette to include only a (large) subset of Finale's
tools.
>I rely on the cmd-click feature to access those tools
At 12:42 PM 1/7/2006, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>> But if I wanted to click on an icon, why wouldn't I just click on the
>> icon in the Tool palette? Instead of cmd-click, then point and click,
>> I would just point and click.
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>
>I am sure I am not the only person on this list who
At 4:46 PM -0800 1/6/06, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
I'm not saying that any of those options is a good one or a bad one
(personally, I'd go for the complete user-oriented overhaul); I'm just
thinking about the ramifications of the various choices.
If anyone remembers the late, and VERY unlamented, P
This keyboard shortcut does NOT appear next to the menu item, like most
of the shortcuts do (at least, not in the Mac version.) I don't know
why, but it should. Then not only you, but everyone else who had missed
it would have seen it after accessing the menu for the 8,439th time...
Christophe
On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
But if I wanted to click on an icon, why wouldn't I just click on the
icon in the Tool palette? Instead of cmd-click, then point and click,
I would just point and click.
Christopher
I am sure I am not the only person on this list who has
Yeah, I attended a masterclass with Peter Lloyd, who was principle Flute
with the London Symphony
http://www.larrykrantz.com/plloyd.htm He pretty much said the same thing
about low B foot flutes.
Christopher Smith wrote:
The heavy classical symphony players with the local orchestras here
(inc
No way! Really? Wow, learn something new every day. Maybe if I had read
the manual.naw..
Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 1/7/06, Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The things I use a lot are Music Spacing, and respell notes, and Fit
Music. Fit music has a key command associated wit
On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me to find that, now that low B natural has
become standard for professionals (it wasn't, back then), that the low
B flat has become rarer, or vanished altogether from new models.
The heavy classical symphony players
On 1/7/06, Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The things I use a lot are Music Spacing, and respell notes, and Fit
> Music. Fit music has a key command associated with it, but the others
> you have to go into the menu and find.
That's not true for Music Spacing-- You can select a passage
But if I wanted to click on an icon, why wouldn't I just click on the
icon in the Tool palette? Instead of cmd-click, then point and click,
I would just point and click.
Christopher
I am sure I am not the only person on this list who has customized my
master tool palette to include only a (
Yes, that is annoying. But you don't think that a power user wouldn't
benefit from some sort of ability to create custom menus or power menus?
I mean, one might need to RTM or RTFM to do it, but it could be a really
productive thing. I'd love to have Note Spacing right there, with a key
stroke
Woohoo, I'm there!
dhbailey wrote:
We could start a "Finale Users With Stockholm Syndrome" group! ;-)
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This is true.
There are a number of things in the Finale Menu I never use, and there
are things that I use all the time I wish were right there. I think if
they designed some sort of user definable menu where you can choose
which items you want in it, the order, and perhaps command key/hot key
At 6:13 PM -0500 1/6/06, Stephen Peters wrote:
John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
With respect, that is SO simplistic! It's an orchestrator's job not
only to know the extreme limits of range, but to know the limits for
different levels of players AND TO KNOW THE SPECIFIC SOUND OF EACH
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:20 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 4:22 PM -0500 1/6/06, dhbailey wrote:
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Not to mention the fact that some flutes actually *can* play a low
Bb.
I wasn't aware of that -- I've only encountered flutes which play to
low B. Cool!
I'm not sure you cou
On Jan 7, 2006, at 2:30 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
Christopher Smith / 2006/01/06 / 06:54 PM wrote:
Right now I am trying to come up with some mnemonic to associate with
the F though ' (apostrophe) for choosing tools. None of those keys has
a strong mental attachment in my mind to the tools I n
Chuck Israels wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
Really, though, there IS a limit to how intuitive a complex program
like Finale could be.
Why?
No, I don't think it's an antagonistic
Owain Sutton wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
Really, though, there IS a limit to how intuitive a complex program
like Finale could be.
Why?
No, I don't think it's an antagonistic comment. I think it's a valid
question. Music notation, while complex, isn't *that* complex. The
arran
Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6 Jan 2006 at 14:04, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And it seems to me that there oughtn't be any reason not to have
such a menu choice in both locations.
But if you
Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Ken Moore wrote:
Shan't then. It took me a long time to find octave doubling, and I
agree with David, it's not intuitive. Dennis B-K's suggestion makes a
lot of sense to me. It's what Finale would have been like if it had
been design
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Which makes me wonder, if it were possible to design a range checker
which could render an opinion on the efficacy of ranges for a
variety of player abilities, e.g., H.S., College, Professional. I
happen to have a range chart (hard copy) which is broken down in
Ken Moore wrote:
Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fuck you on the Stockholm syndrome. I think you seriously need to
> change careers if you don't think doubling has something to do with
> Transpose
Shan't then. It took me a long time to find octave doubling, and I
agree with Da
I use Microsoft Word 2001 for Mac. In this version, at least, I can put
*any* command in *any* menu. I can even create a new menu and call it
what I like. Of course this lets me do really stupid things: just for
fun I tried adding "Quit", "Undo" and "Bold" to the View menu: it
works! If I wante
Christopher Smith / 2006/01/06 / 06:54 PM wrote:
>Right now I am trying to come up with some mnemonic to associate with
>the F though ' (apostrophe) for choosing tools. None of those keys has
>a strong mental attachment in my mind to the tools I need most often,
>except maybe StaFf with F, and
Eric Dannewitz / 2006/01/06 / 09:22 PM wrote:
>Another idea would be to allow a user to customize their own interface.
>You can pick what items you want in the menu, and what menu they are in,
>etc.
You can't do this. This will cause a huge pain in technical support.
>I think like Microsoft O
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Another idea would be to allow a user to customize their own
interface. You can pick what items you want in the menu, and what
menu they are in, etc.
Man, I could go for that!
Chuck
Chuck Israels
230 North Garden Terrace
Bellingham, WA
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
Really, though, there IS a limit to how intuitive a complex
program like Finale could be.
Why?
No, I don't think it's an antagonistic comment. I think it's a
Another idea would be to allow a user to customize their own interface.
You can pick what items you want in the menu, and what menu they are in,
etc.
I think like Microsoft Office does this? Or something like that. So,
like if you never use the MIDI menu in Finale, you could tell it to
disapp
I honestly don't see the difference. Finale is one of the most powerful
notation programs on the planet, and its interface reflects that.
Balancing off getting things right without our input against giving us the
power to change things is VERY complex! Sibelius maybe takes things out of
our
On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 14:04, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>> On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> And it seems to me that there oughtn't be any reason not to have
>>> such a menu choice in both locations.
>>
>> But if you follow tha
On 6 Jan 2006 at 20:08, Christopher Smith wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
[]
> > If your comment was intended to say "there's a limit to how
> > intuitive an interface such as that of Finale can be", then that's a
> > different matter.
>
> I honestly don't see the diffe
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
Really, though, there IS a limit to how intuitive a complex program
like Finale could be.
Why?
No, I don't think it's an antagonistic comment. I think it's a valid
question. Music notation, while complex, isn't *t
On 1/6/06, Owain Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>>>
[T]he problem with doing a UI
overhaul is that certain people are already used to the "musically
illogical" placement of features..
>>>The assumption that *adding*
>>>a new approach always entails complet
Christopher Smith wrote:
Really, though, there IS a limit to how intuitive a complex program like
Finale could be.
Why?
No, I don't think it's an antagonistic comment. I think it's a valid
question. Music notation, while complex, isn't *that* complex. The
arrangement of the notation o
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Ken Moore wrote:
Shan't then. It took me a long time to find octave doubling, and I
agree with David, it's not intuitive. Dennis B-K's suggestion makes a
lot of sense to me. It's what Finale would have been like if it had
been designed by musicians rather than
On 6 Jan 2006 at 14:04, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
> On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And it seems to me that there oughtn't be any reason not to have
> > such a menu choice in both locations.
>
> But if you follow that logic to its conclusion, you'll put discovery
> paths to e
Brad Beyenhof wrote:
[T]he problem with doing a UI
overhaul is that certain people are already used to the "musically
illogical" placement of features..
>>>
The assumption that *adding*
a new approach always entails completely removing the old method is
completely unwarranted.
So you wa
On 1/6/06, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
> > [T]he problem with doing a UI
> > overhaul is that certain people are already used to the "musically
> > illogical" placement of features..
>
> To me, [this] looks like a commitment to the status
John Howell wrote:
With respect, that is SO simplistic! It's an orchestrator's job not
only to know the extreme limits of range, but to know the limits for
different levels of players AND TO KNOW THE SPECIFIC SOUND OF EACH
SUBRANGE WITHIN THAT RANGE, if not each individual note. You don'
John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> With respect, that is SO simplistic! It's an orchestrator's job not
> only to know the extreme limits of range, but to know the limits for
> different levels of players AND TO KNOW THE SPECIFIC SOUND OF EACH
> SUBRANGE WITHIN THAT RANGE, if not each indiv
At 2:48 PM -0800 1/6/06, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Which makes me wonder, if it were possible to design a range
checker which could render an opinion on the efficacy of ranges
for a variety of player abilities, e.g., H.S., College,
Professional. I happen to have a range chart (hard copy) which i
Which makes me wonder, if it were possible to design a range
checker which could render an opinion on the efficacy of ranges
for a variety of player abilities, e.g., H.S., College,
Professional. I happen to have a range chart (hard copy) which is
broken down in a similar manner.
Dean
Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fuck you on the Stockholm syndrome. I think you seriously need to
> change careers if you don't think doubling has something to do with
> Transpose
Shan't then. It took me a long time to find octave doubling, and I
agree with David, it's not intuitiv
At 4:22 PM -0500 1/6/06, dhbailey wrote:
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Not to mention the fact that some flutes actually *can* play a low Bb.
I wasn't aware of that -- I've only encountered flutes which play to
low B. Cool!
I'm not sure you could buy one today, unless it's completely
custom-mad
Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:12 AM, dhbailey wrote:
By the way, Sibelius has an annoying feature (luckily it is user
switchable!) which colors any notes which are out of normal range for
a particular instrument. So if you label a particular line Flute and
then write a low Bb,
On 6 Jan 2006 at 9:19, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
> On 1/6/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Transposition with expanded options. Canonic utilities with
> > expanded options. Hmmm... and suddenly, there is the idea for
> > a new item that covers both (discoverable from multiple
On 6 Jan 2006 at 16:57, Owain Sutton wrote:
> Michael Cook wrote:
> > I certainly agree with all of you who say that the Finale user
> > interface needs a lot of improvement, but is "Octave Doubling" such
> > a big problem? For all those who don't think it should be grouped
> > with "Transposition
Yeah, this does sound like a good thing. Perhaps we'll see it happen in
Finale 2007? I agree that the Check Range plugin is annoying, it would
be much easier to see them highlighted/selected.
Stephen Peters wrote:
Actually, this is one of my favorite features in Sibelius. Yes, it's
annoying d
Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:12 AM, dhbailey wrote:
>
>> By the way, Sibelius has an annoying feature (luckily it is user
>> switchable!) which colors any notes which are out of normal range
>> for a particular instrument. So if you label a particular line
>>
Yeah ... as I normally work in a Concert Score, as it's a lot easier
to hear, I would be dealing with a very colorful screen.
Dean
On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:12 AM, dhbailey wrote:
By the way, Sibelius has an annoying feature (luckily it is u
Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:12 AM, dhbailey wrote:
By the way, Sibelius has an annoying feature (luckily it is user
switchable!) which colors any notes which are out of normal range for
a particular instrument. So if you label a particular line Flute and
then write a low Bb
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:12 AM, dhbailey wrote:
By the way, Sibelius has an annoying feature (luckily it is user
switchable!) which colors any notes which are out of normal range for
a particular instrument. So if you label a particular line Flute and
then write a low Bb, they get colored orange
At 09:19 AM 1/6/06 -0800, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>However, the problem with doing a UI
>overhaul is that certain people are already used to the "musically
>illogical" placement of features.. we noticed the problem when "Show
>Active Layer Only" changed menus from from View to Options.
>
>If features
<< For all those who don't think it should be grouped with
"Transposition", where would you want to see it?>>Michael
I'd be happy to see it in the "Utilities" menu in mass mover. That's
often where I look for strange things.
Mike Greensill
www.mikegreensill.com
On 1/6/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Transposition with expanded options. Canonic utilities with
> expanded options. Hmmm... and suddenly, there is the idea for
> a new item that covers both (discoverable from multiple paths)
> that is a linear motion modification activity
At 04:57 PM 1/6/06 +, Owain Sutton wrote:
>How about a separate 'doubling' menu option, which could offer a range
>of utilites, such as doubling in a different layer, etc.?
Yes indeed.
Maybe my post was too long and nobody got that far. :) But that's what I
was getting at yesterday when I w
dhbailey wrote:
And we can all wear bracelets embossed with W.W.I.D. for What Would Igor
Do -- we know what he did when confronted with such a complaint about
the Rite of Spring (only the suggestion was to place the problematic
line in the English Horn part) -- he got rid of the complainin
Michael Cook wrote:
I certainly agree with all of you who say that the Finale user interface
needs a lot of improvement, but is "Octave Doubling" such a big problem?
For all those who don't think it should be grouped with "Transposition",
where would you want to see it?
How about a separ
bill wrote:
God, I can just imagine it. A treble clef-shaped annoying looking thing
that would say things like:
"It looks like you're about to type an anacrusis. Would you like some help
with that?"
"Cleffy has noticed some parallel 5ths or octaves in your score. Would you
like him to corre
I certainly agree with all of you who say that the Finale user
interface needs a lot of improvement, but is "Octave Doubling" such a
big problem? For all those who don't think it should be grouped with
"Transposition", where would you want to see it?
Michael
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Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I suppose, if you come from the Fenton school of non-musician, you'd
have no clue to look under Transpose, but, speaking as a professional
musician, it makes perfect sense for an option to preserve notes when
you transpose them.
BUT does it make sense for this to
Now now, you are exhibiting some Stockholm syndrome now...better go
take your meds. ;-)
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Ahem.
If we can all get along with "expressions" and "smart shapes" and
"tuplets"--none of which are musical terms--and if we can get along
with "articulations" that do not inclu
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 12:38 PM 1/5/06 -0800, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Seriously, it makes sense where it is. It doesn't make sense at all to
move it somewhere else.
But it makes sense to re-think things that have caused confusion.
In David's thinking, octave doubling is not tran
Seriously, I am not conceptualizing task at all in Finale's terms. If
you had looked in the manual under DOUBLING, you would have figured it out.
David W. Fenton wrote:
BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT I WANTED TO DO.
I wanted to add an octave doubling.
That is *not* at all the same thing.
You keep conc
Maybe we need to get him enrolled in a music class so he knows what to
look upgeeze. Must be a tough day for him to know he missed
something. Better check the temperature in Hell...
Raymond Horton wrote:
Thanks, Andrew, for stating that so well. This whole thread has given
me gigg
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Ahem.
If we can all get along with "expressions" and "smart shapes" and
"tuplets"--none of which are musical terms--and if we can get along
with "articulations" that do not include slurs, then we can get along
with preserved original notes when transposing.
Jeez, peop
>
> God, I can just imagine it. A treble clef-shaped annoying looking thing
> that would say things like:
>
> "It looks like you're about to type an anacrusis. Would you like some help
> with that?"
>
> "Cleffy has noticed some parallel 5ths or octaves in your score. Would you
> like him to c
Don,
I'm not sure of the reason (I don't even fully understand what
"preferences" are, or which settings are saved, since some previous
versions of FinMac didn't do it properly) but it seems to me that if
you assign the metatools in your MeastroDefault file (or JazzFont
Default, if you use th
On 5 Jan 2006 at 16:59, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> If we can all get along with "expressions" and "smart shapes" and
> "tuplets"--none of which are musical terms--and if we can get along
> with "articulations" that do not include slurs, then we can get along
> with preserved original notes when trans
Sermon note: "argument (vocabulary?) weak, pound podium".
Richard Smith
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From: "Eric Dannewitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.
If
On 5 Jan 2006 at 12:48, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> Per my last email, it does belong where it is. I'd say if you polled
> all the people on here, or any musician, it makes perfect sense to
> have transpose and a check box to keep the notes there.
It may make sense to have that feature there in the t
David W. Fenton wrote:
I think the feature doesn't really belong in the transposition dialog
box.
I fully agree. This is a good example of the interface being designed
around how the program functions, rather than designing it around how
tools are best-presented for users. I for one
Christopher,
Thanks for the clarification. I did know those four slots were
programmable. I reached my quick (and inaccurate) conclusion about default
settings when I opened a new file and found the arrangement I described.
Also, I always have to reset 7 and 9 in my template, which I'm not sure
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