Not saying it's wrong at all, but just if you think it may be a newbie
type question then post it to the appropriate list. Otherwise what's the
point in having 2 lists?
My point really was that this list used to be more about posting
techniques, discoveries, neat tricks - or complex questions,
Whenever i try to use mdm.* methods in AS2 classes they refuse to work,
mostly because mdm is an undeclared property. Declaring it with var
mdm:Object doesn't do much either. Super frustrating, anyone got a
workaround for this?
I work with FlashDevelop+mtasc
- Andreas SJ
var mdm:Object = _global.mdm;
what a shitty way to code, but, hey this is Zinc :))
Cedric
Whenever i try to use mdm.* methods in AS2 classes they refuse to
work, mostly because mdm is an undeclared property. Declaring it
with var mdm:Object doesn't do much either. Super frustrating,
sorry, don't reference, just target _global.mdm (dumber than what we
deserve)
_global.mdm.System.exec('C:/runacrobat.exe');
Cedric
Whenever i try to use mdm.* methods in AS2 classes they refuse to
work, mostly because mdm is an undeclared property. Declaring it
with var mdm:Object doesn't
Maybe you should start looking into the new SWHX. Looks damn exciting
and should technically provide more capabilities than Zinc with less
effort. At least when it matures.
Lee
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thanks guys, adding _global did it.. Weird that i can't find a mention
of it in the docs but hey :) i guess thats what flashcoders is for.
Working fine now.
- A
Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote:
Maybe you should start looking into the new SWHX. Looks damn exciting
and should technically provide
Dear Andreas,
Can you try _global.mdm.* instead?
Regards,
Arul
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Whenever i
I know
fatally, I am looking for working solutions, not 2000 functionalities
that fail (like Zinc)
SWHX will be the only option in a few months, ... when it **matures**
;)
cedric
Maybe you should start looking into the new SWHX. Looks damn exciting
and should technically provide more
Personally, I've been awaiting a thin layer for this kind of
interaction for a long long time. Not only will SWHX have the advantage
that it's easy to extend and program, but also it will support the *nix
variety of OS's (which I'm sure Zinc doesn't) and will be totally free.
How cool is that?
Delegate.as line 27: characters 3-11 : type error Local variable
redefinition : func
Why is mtasc giving me hate? It's not like i wrote Delegate :P
- Andreas SJ
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I've found this before... Macr, not being good at general programming syntax
rules, have used the same variable name inside and outside an internal function
definition. It kinda looks like this:
Function somefunc()
{
Newfunc = function()
{
Var func;
Thanks Lee.. I can't believe i had to alter Delegate O_o
- Andreas
Lee McColl-Sylvester wrote:
I've found this before... Macr, not being good at general programming syntax
rules, have used the same variable name inside and outside an internal function
definition. It kinda looks like this:
:) That's no problem. I actually feel much of the event managment code
provided by Macr is fairly lacking. The Arp framework helps somewhat to fix
this and the ArpX extention by Grant Davies goes one better with some nice
system events and what not, but you'd think after all this time
I take it nobody uses this tool because of the response I got. It
appears that Javascript calls within the Ice player (I would say it's
more of an ActiveX wrapper than a player) do not work with the Flash 8
player, but they do work outside of the Ice player in the Flash 8
player. If anyone knows
Does anyone know of any third party tools that will allow you from a web
site, to have a transparent window - a flash file which floats - over
the browser AND outside the browser window other than the Flashants Ice
player? I'm not talking about wmode either, I'm talking about floating
Flash
Just out of interest could you use localconnection to communicate with
another swf to do the javascript comms?
M
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I'm just full of questions today :)
Jason Nussbaum's AS2 Base64 class makes use of the symbol \+,
something mtasc protests. Why? :)
- A
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the as3 list, the open source lists for specific projects.
This *is* the newbie list now... by default.
Hank
On 6/13/06, Mike Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not saying it's wrong at all, but just if you think it may be
If I'm not mistaken, \+ is an old AS1 operator, though for the life of me I
forget what it does. I used to use that back in the days of Flash 4/5. I'm
sure theres another old goat out there who will remember what it does. Either
that, or a quick search on the internet will tell you, but all
Hi Merrill,
I am not sure fi you are able to use LocalConnection or
ExternalInterface without beining the same application. I mean, do you
know if you can communicatie bi-directionally with multiple Flash
ActiveX wrappers? I.e. browser win32 application? I would think this
won't be
Suppy me the whole line... It might jog my memory.
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I'm just full of questions
Hi,
i am looking for a free flash physics engine.
MFG
Oliver
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Maybe. I need to close the Flash window that is playing within the Ice
player, so I'm not sure how that would work. - call the other .swf and
tell it to close the original window? I haven't used Localconnection -
but am reading up on it right now. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give
it a
Hey Andreas,
http://ostermiller.org/Base64.as has a port of the base64 class for AS2
Lee
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Yeah, I am wondering if Localconnection won't work because of the same
reasons the Javascript won't work with Flash 8 running in the Ice
ActiveX player.
Are there no other tools that can do this? I know Zinc can make it a
custom shaped window, but only as an .exe or screensaver - not running
I must admit, I have to agree. I code full time in .NET, ActionScript and god
knows how many other languages, yet I just found myself looking up how to
initialise a string array in .NET. How newbie is that? Fact is, if I asked
that question on a list, I wouldn't be a newb for asking the
On 6/13/06, Oliver Lecher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
i am looking for a free flash physics engine.
Something like this?
http://www.harveycartel.org/metanet/tutorials/diagrams/tutB_demo04.html
http://www.harveycartel.org/metanet/tutorials.html
scroll down for source
http://www.osflash.org/flade
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On 6/13/06, Oliver Lecher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
i am looking for a free flash physics engine.
Something like this?
http://www.harveycartel.org/metanet/tutorials/diagrams/tutB_demo04.html
Hello List, I am trying to accomplish a timer that will advance to a frame
once a set time has been reached. Of course it doesn't work any ideas Here
is the code
onClipEvent (enterFrame) {
if (_root.delay) {
if (Math.floor(getTimer()/1000) == _root.lastTime+1) {
Yeah, it can be done with the Flashants Ice player -
http://www.flashants.com/root/index.shtml
It's an ActiveX control you have to install.
I don't think I'd want
all the headache with regards to end users etc.
Agreed. It was not my decision to use it, that was before I got here.
All worked
Are there any known limitations when using the ExternalInterface to send
large amounts of data.
I set up this example and Im not liking the result.
1. Code in flash
import flash.external.ExternalInterface;
ExternalInterface.call(receiveData,massiveString);
2. Code on htmlpage
function
This is probably down to the JavaScript engine used. I know numerous
bugs (with the Math engine being the worse) with the IE browser that
just dissappear with the FireFox browser.
Lee
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As an actual helpful reply, you could always try cutting the string down
and then send the string in separate vars. Actually, have you tried
sending the thing cut up into an Array? You could always do a join() on
the other side.
Lee
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Any way you look at it, we're building a searchable repository of both
newb and advanced tips. Flash programmers aren't Nazis, marching
together as some kind of unified front against all newbies. A
community has elements from all skill levels, and if a newbie has a
coding question for the
You could just use setInterval instead of getTimer:
count = 0;
function GoNext(){
count++;
if(count = 10){
clearInterval(intID)
nextframe();
count = 0;
}
}
intID = setInterval(GoNext, 1000);
Jason Merrill
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Could this be what you need:
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flash/8/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhel
p.htm?context=LiveDocs_Partsfile=1717.html
The first comment by Francis at the bottom...
Wouter
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RTFM:
http://www.osflash.org/flashcoders/etiquette
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Actually, just this would work too - the other post was from something
else:
function GoNext(){
clearInterval(intID)
nextframe();
}
intID = setInterval(GoNext, 1);
Will move after 10 seconds.
Jason Merrill
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Don't you want something similar to the Chromeless windows of Internet
Explorer? Google for it, it's a window which out the caption etc.
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Yeah sending it in chunks is an option but that requires more from the
backend.
A friend of mine just explained that it probably had to do with Firefox
being able to directly communicate with the plugin which would make it
lightningfast...and IE doesnt do this which makes it slower.
// joakim
Hello all!
Is there a way to know that a seek command has reach the desired
position in the stream when publishing for Flash 7 AS2?
The only response I get from the stream is : NetStream.Buffer.Full. The
NetStream.Seek.Notify does not work local or online?!?! I can make it
work if I
Not really, just create an ArrayToString parser function :)
Lee
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Yeah sending it
http://www.cove.org/flade/
Janosch
Oliver Lecher schrieb:
Hi,
i am looking for a free flash physics engine.
MFG
Oliver
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I dont mean to offend anyone, but this *is* the newbie list - at
least in part. There is nothing wrong with that. I have never been to
the real newbie list, and would never make it there. Thats probably
true for most of the people who might answer a question (though I
honestly havent done much
Don't you want something similar to the Chromeless windows of Internet
Explorer? Google for it, it's a window which out the caption etc.
No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a non-square
shaped flash file, transparent background, that can be dragged around
the browser and
That worked perfect thanks
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Jason
Sent: Tuesday,
I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think.
Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie
questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to
advanced Actionscripters.
Jason Merrill
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Learning
setTimeout is even easier to use tehn:
setTimeout(GoNext,1);
And it clears itself!
cool
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No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a non-square
shaped flash file, transparent background, that can be dragged around
player allows this as a wrap around Active X for the Flash player, but
it has some incompatibilities with the Flash 8 player.
Aha, I understand
Aha, I understand you now! I won't know a good solution for that now,
of
course we can write a new browser plugin ;-) It's not that dificuilt
to
make, though. Only how to hook such thing up with the webbrowser...
...yeah, and how to write one that works with the Flash 8 security
model, which I'm
It would seem I've stirred up a nest of vipers! My point is why bother
with the two lists? If noone can decide what constitutes a newbie
question?
Id've thought if most people forget the basics (which happen to us all)
and you're not a code virgin then you wouldn't need to turn to a mailing
list
I will say, the newbie list is friendlier than this list by about a
factor of 10. :)
Jason Merrill
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Yeah, well sadly enough I can't help you with this... Neither do I have
time for it. Sorry, otherwise I wouldn't mind to hack something up in
Delphi (win32 onyl)
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Awww, Jason... In the spirit of making this list friendly, may I say I
love you all and I think you're all the best. May you all have a great
day and not have too many bugs so you don't get slammed when asking
something stupid ;-)
Kindest, most warmest regards and lots of hugs,
Lee
PS, When do
hey Andreas,
this \+ seems like an error to me. it should either be \\+ if he is
trying to replace the text \+, or just + if he is only trying to
replace the +. However, because he's replacing it with %2B, it seems
like he is only trying to replace the + since 2B is the hex for the + sign
Hey thanks though - appreciate it!
Jason Merrill
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Ahhh, so that's what the string was. I also worked out what was triggering the
flashback in my cluttered brain. The backslash symbol used to reference the
root of a movie or clip a la html uri's, though I still remember \+ as actually
having a use.
Oh well.
Lee
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http://67.104.17.194/complaint/view/57077332/c/47x9hr
Consumer's Original Complaint :
Total: $299.00 USD
Item/Product Name: mCOM
Forum of upset customers:
http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2005/09/mcom_glic_compo.html
The documentation and API spec for this product is so minimal that
I haven't used it yet, but http://www.cove.org/flade/ looks pretty cool.
MFG?
- phaedrus
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The BJC Bit components were always great that I remember. I tend to
make my own now that I've dropped the IDE in favour of FlashDevelop, but
I think you can still get the components from www.flashloaded.com
Lee
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Contact your bank/credit card company and do a charge-back. Explain the
situation and you should be able to get your money back from the credit
card company. Metaliq will get dinged for both the refund and a
charge-back fee.
Normally this is not a nice thing to do, but if the company offers
On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm on both lists, and the newbie list is more advanced than you would think.
Most of the questions there could easily be posted here. There are newbie
questions of course, but a majority of the subscribers are intermediate to
advanced
Hello I am a Noob,
I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I know it is
a noob question because I have been told on this list that it is.
But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an mp3 player
to get it's xml list through a Flashvar in the
Before Flashcoders was around, people had to solve their Flash problems on
their own. After Flashcoders was around, some people didn't know about it
and had to solve their Flash problems on their own.
Bottom line is - the solutions are out there and many people don't take the
time to try and
The problem with a list named FlashNewbies is that help vampires, or
newbies who don't want to actually do any work, tend to avoid newbie lists
and go straight for the advanced ones because that's where they perceive the
advanced people to be. Why ask a noob how to do something when you can ask
Jason,
I think what you are looking for is something like
www.screentime.com/mprojector. Check out
www.screentime.com/software/mprojector/flas.html#flashShapedWindows - pretty
cool! It allows for non-square and semi-transparent windows.
-tom
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Perfect example of what we are talking about:
I have a noobie question that cannot be answered on the noob list. I
know it is a
noob question because I have been told on this list that it is.
But even though I have tried all suggestions I still can not get an
mp3 player to
get it's xml list
I then suppose that it is a new feature in player 8 like said on
kaourantin.net
(even if it is listed as a feature of player 7 in the doc. and on
other web sites)
A+
Éric Thibault a écrit :
Hello all!
Is there a way to know that a seek command has reach the desired
position in the
I think what you are looking for is something like
www.screentime.com/mprojector. Check out
www.screentime.com/software/mprojector/flas.html#flashShapedWindows -
pretty
cool! It allows for non-square and semi-transparent windows.
Isn't that compiled as a projector file though - an .exe? That's
Arguments aside whether using components is a good idea in the first place
:-) I wanted to ask if there are XP Components users in Flashcoders? I'm
trying to figure out how they're used from within Actionscript only, and am
having trouble in lack of examples. The documentation of XP Components is
I think this thread quite completely explains the subject line.
Besides, when it comes down to it, a list is no different the
latest/greatest hangout you'd find with your friends. For a while, it was
great - not many people knew, and it was cool. THen everyone found out, it
got saturated, and
*heh*
I almost asked where is the flash newbie list. Subtly hilarious, eh?
I'm not really sure where I fall - middling I think - but I figure it can't
hurt to subscribe to that list as well - if I am more advanced than the bulk
there, well, one often learns by teaching (or by having your
I have to embed flash applets into web pages directly, without Javascript
Eolas workaround. The users therefore have to click to activate the
flash movie in IE.
After that, the Flash movie properly receives the text input, EXCEPT for
Backspace and Tab keys. Pressing Backspace has an action of
Alec, I'm glad you brought this up: now I'll know I'm not going crazy when I
see the same behavior. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for you. Just
wanted to say that I think your question was a good one.
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Why do you have to embed Flash applets into pages without help of, say,
SWFObject?
Ville
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Subject: [Flashcoders] Eolas fix and
On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perfect example of what we are talking about:
While we're at it, a general piece of advice:
I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme
describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make sure
they all
Fresh off the Flash coders content degrading thread, eh?
On 6/13/06 11:54 AM, Michael Stuhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alec Matusis schrieb:
Can anyone explain this behavior? Is this an IE bug?
why don't you use another browser like FF test your cases, and tell us ?
this list is all about
Aaron Buchanan schrieb:
Fresh off the Flash coders content degrading thread, eh?
didn't even read it.
but i hate those vampires.
micha
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Not to worry Mark others were helpful. No need to commit yourself.LOL
GIve me a link to a better forum for my question if you have one.
When I parsed out the info it was hard to get an answer. So I spent some time
to make a neat package so if someone did want to help I could send it and it
I have the files all neatly bundled up in a zip file. I have a readme
describing my problem I have checked all my links (twice) to make
sure they all work.
If you spent half as much time reading the documentation as you did
packaging the files and typing that email, you'd have figured it out
I've used the charting components before and found the creator, Robert
Edgar, to be very helpful. Make sure you take a close look at a lot of the
examples as a vast majority of what I needed was found dispersed between
most of them.
Cheers,
!k
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Yeah, I'm making *slow* progress, partially with help of the examples,
partially just trial-and-error.
There appears to be a slow-down in responses from ePresenterPlus in recent
times. I remember in the past their answers were lightning-fast, but these
days it may take a week or two, even with
I am sure some people post every question they have with out doing research. I
looked everywhere including the origional authors website. Common Creative
licence I used this list as an absolute last resort.
PS. a programmer at work helped me with the problem and we have it solved. But
for
I recommend avoiding flashvars and loading the XML using XML2
http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html.
Mike
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Is the problem that you can't run Javascript at all, or that you need to
put the embed code in html instead of javascript?
You could use this patent fix:
http://www.unfocus.com/projects/patentmagic/
It still relies on scripting being enabled (so you'd still have this
problem for anyone that
On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/13/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know how
others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher than
simply downloading a linked zip.
Agreed. I enjoy helping amateurs on smaller problems (offlist), as
Thanks Mike I will check that out. I do really appreciate all the time you guys
give to this list.
Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend avoiding flashvars and
loading the XML using XML2
http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2004/02/the_ultimate_as.html.
Mike
Your response to Try searching the archives or google for your answers
before asking the list is If you don't want to help me, shut up.
Apparently, petulant children have taken over.
Excellent summarization. The problem is, this tells me more about you
than it does about the list. This is
Bottom line is if someone gets stuck they are going to find
help where they can. To tell you the truth I would post just
about any place to be able to get an answer just so I can go
to sleep one night this week.
Some of us are not action scripting for fun. We are working
in the real
On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I don't know how
others feel about this, but for me the threshold is /much/ higher
than
simply downloading a linked zip.
That second line is a mis-quote. I didn't say that, Mark did.
Why not hire a designer?
Precisely my point. Hence, a designer should hire a programmer if they need
some programming done.
:)
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Hey Matt, give Xray a try:
www.osflash.org/xray
Look at your flash application/site in anyway you want and learn a TON more
about the player at the same time. I've heard from so many flash devs that
they not only fixed their issues, but their knowledge of the player went up
10 fold while using
Aaron Buchanan schrieb:
Now that I think about it, lot's of people will a similar issue with any
myspace applets. Since JS is restricted.
Would be interested in hearing the resolution. Did you try in firefox?
a
why not use UFO or similar and provide an additional noscript / with the somewhat
I have a datagrid behind a movieclip in a tab type layout. I populate the
data grid when the application is loaded. When I show the movieclip that has
the datagrid in it I have to move the scroll bar in order to get the data to
display. I have tried to call draw, and invalidate and neither are
The list is still amazing once you weed out the
RTFM/Googlables. I just wish that the moderators would do
this job for us so the overall quality of the list could
stay amazing.
You do realize that this is, and always has been, an unmoderated list,
right?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf
lol
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You do realize that this is, and always has been, an unmoderated list,
right?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
Dave, please keep your replies on-topic. :)
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why not use UFO or similar [...]
Since JS is restricted.
[...] and provide an additional noscript / with the somewhat
deprecated object and embed ?
Originally: I have to embed flash applets into web pages directly, without
Javascript
Eolas
On 6/13/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The list is still amazing once you weed out the
RTFM/Googlables. I just wish that the moderators would do
this job for us so the overall quality of the list could
stay amazing.
You do realize that this is, and always has been, an unmoderated
You do realize that this is, and always has been, an unmoderated list,
right?
Now that isn't true at all. I remember back in the early years the OT
police jumped on anyone who posted OT stuff. Brendan was behind most of
that, and since his departure it seems the list has slowly gotten more
Mark,
I think a bit of confusion. It was in ken's posting, and he put your
name in the subject line. Dave then responded to ken, not you.
Hank
On 6/13/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/13/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The list is still amazing once you weed out
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