Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott wrote: I can't withstand the impression that changing the _camera_ position didn't lead to the intended success. Take a simple stick and rotate it around one of its ends. For an observer the phenomenon is still the same even when he changes his viewpoint. If you want to rotate the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Martin wrote: David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa28-161 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv12589 Modified Files: pa28-161-yasim-set.xml Log Message: Change camera position

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Martin Spott wrote: I can't withstand the impression that changing the _camera_ position didn't lead to the intended success. Take a simple stick and rotate it around one of its ends. For an observer the phenomenon is still the same even when he

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Andy Ross
Martin Spott wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: If the camera is tracking the nose, then it moves up and down as well with the nose. This creates the _illusion_ that the rest of the aircraft (and of the scene for that matter) is moving, and the nose is remaining stationary when in fact it is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Martin Spott
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: If the camera is tracking the nose, then it moves up and down as well with the nose. This creates the _illusion_ that the rest of the aircraft (and of the scene for that matter) is moving, and the nose is remaining

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy wrote Martin Spott wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: If the camera is tracking the nose, then it moves up and down as well with the nose. This creates the _illusion_ that the rest of the aircraft (and of the scene for that matter) is moving, and the nose is remaining

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jim Wilson wrote Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Martin wrote: David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa28-161 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv12589 Modified Files: pa28-161-yasim-set.xml

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-02-12 Thread Martin Spott
Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you put the model back to the nose and use the method that the p51d and the pa28-161 use (the target offset) you'll look better on the ground. BTW, it appears to me that the P-51 suffers from the same visual mishap as the PA-28 does (does this have to do

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin Spott asked Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you put the model back to the nose and use the method that the p51d and the pa28-161 use (the target offset) you'll look better on the ground. BTW, it appears

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You _might_ be right, but in the case we are talking abouth things are different. For example use the Tower view and zoom enough to get the details. Take off and stay 100 ft above the ground. Now push the elevator violently aband you'll notice that the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson
Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I was only using the CofG (and approximately at that) as a better visual reference than the nose. I was only concerned to make things look right. I'm sure that the FDMs are quite correct, or the models wouldn't fly very well, if at all. I take it the CofG

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:50:48 - Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You actually want to be very exact about matching the model to the FDM origin. ... Jim (or someone ... *anyone*): Could you summarize the argument taking place here? I seem to only be getting parts of it - I guess I didn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Martin Spott
Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trust me, I've been all over every line of the viewer code. You aren't really seeing what you think you are. It just looks that way. Jim, do you want to tell me I'm blind ? I must admit that I probably never looked at the code but I can assure you that I'm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Martin Spott
Jon S Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there now a difference in the way that JSBSim and YASim match up the 3D model with the FDM? No, the discussion is only about placement of the 3D model vs. some FDM reference point, I think (but I'm not absolutely shure if there _might_ be a hidden

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-02-12 Thread Josh Babcock
This has all got me thinking a bit. This subject seems to come up quite a bit, and frankly I have found it a dificult problem too. In addition, there are some related things that can get hard as well like placing the wheels right on the ground, and getting the landing gear elements for

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jim Wilson added Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Tried that. Looks just the same to me. As I said some time ago: yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice. Neither is right on the ground for differential braking: with one brake full on the aircraft more or less rotates

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Josh Babcock
Vivian Meazza wrote: I enter the loop in a shallow dive, 2nd stage boost on, 350 kts, pull baaack the stick and the model rolls violently and does not enter the loop ... Works fine in other models so it's not the obvious - the joystick. But I expect I'm doing something wrong. Yup.

RE: [Flightgear-devel]Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jim Wilson asked Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I moved the origin, then applied an equal and opposite offset. When one differential brake is applied and the model is viewed in or helicopter view tower view it appears to be turning around its axis rather than around the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS:data/Aircraft/pa28-161

2004-02-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Josh Babcock Vivian Meazza wrote: I enter the loop in a shallow dive, 2nd stage boost on, 350 kts, pull baaack the stick and the model rolls violently and does not enter the loop ... Works fine in other models so it's not the obvious - the joystick. But I expect I'm doing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: Actually, it isn't that. It is just the location that the camera points to. You don't want it pointing at the nose. So add the entry below to the external views in your xml wrapper that track the plane. The value is the distance in meters from the FDM reference point (the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: Thanks -- that did the trick. The plane is actually flying well, and I'm starting to feel tempted to go back and do more work to make it a fully-usable alternative to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@#na 172 -- after all, it would be nice for users to be able to fly a light single

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I wonder if we can model the broken air vent door on the pilot's side that blows -35 degC air on my feet when I'm flying in the winter. It's already there (parameter: --frostbite=mins where mins is number of minutes before you lose your toes). With

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: I wonder if we can model the broken air vent door on the pilot's side that blows -35 degC air on my feet when I'm flying in the winter. It's already there (parameter: --frostbite=mins where mins is number of minutes before you lose your toes). With that all you need is an old

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-11 Thread Josh Babcock
sim pilot feet-temp-c type=double-0.7/feet-temp-c /pilot /sim That should do the trick :) David Megginson wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: Actually, it isn't that. It is just the location that the camera points to. You don't want it pointing at the nose. So add the entry below to the external

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-08 Thread Martin Spott
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv27479 Modified Files: pa28-161.ac Added Files: pa28-161-01.rgb panel-tex01.rgb panel-tex02.rgb panel-tex03.rgb panel.rgb Log

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-08 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott wrote: Hello David, I like your PA-28 very much, but I can't resist to note that there is one 'feature' that is really annoying (I must admit that this word is a bit too strong in this context !): At least in the outside views the aircraft rotate around its nose. It's difficult to

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models

2004-02-08 Thread Jon Berndt
Hello David, I like your PA-28 very much, but I can't resist to note that there is one 'feature' that is really annoying (I must admit that this word is a bit too strong in this context !): At least in the outside views the aircraft rotate around its nose. It's difficult to tell if the

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Hunter/Models

2004-02-08 Thread Martin Spott
Hello, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Hunter/Models In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv1093 Added Files: pilots-notes.txt Log Message: Missed one important file. The following additional keyboard controls have been

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Hunter/Models

2004-02-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Anyway: Thanks for this very nice addition to the FlightGear hangar, I'm already investigating for a larger home airport. KSFO isn't going to take it anymore. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-03 Thread Ronny Standtke
Am Montag, 2. Februar 2004 23:38 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: Who? The Empress? She was actually called Sisi ... http://dict.leo.org/?search=sissylang=de That a solution for non-US-keyboards is necessary was never argued about, and actually discussed a few times already. It's just that nobody

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/keyboard In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv21524/keyboard Added Files: VERSION map.pdf map.tex Log Message: Add a per aircraft keyboard refference I appreciate your effort - on the other hand I feel

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Monday 02 February 2004 11:25: I appreciate your effort - on the other hand I feel required to note, that there are still unsolved issues because some of the key controls work different on different national keyboards. I know. But having documentation about the current state

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Ronny Standtke
Am Montag, 2. Februar 2004 11:51 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: Don't know. I'm Austrian. No, seriously: I can't stand German keyboards. Their layout is brain-dead, so I'm using an US-American one. I'd say that it's up to those who suffer the most to fix the unfortunate situation. (I use the compose

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Ronny Standtke -- Monday 02 February 2004 18:46: What exactly do you despise about the layout of German kezboards :-) The places where they put unimportant things like @, [, ], {, }, \, etc. Face it: German keyboards may be suitable for secretaries or poets, but they are a royal pain for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Ronny Standtke
The places where they put unimportant things like @, [, ], {, }, \, etc. Face it: German keyboards may be suitable for secretaries or poets, but they are a royal pain for technical stuff like programming. If you look back in history (damn, I'm not that old) keyboards _have_ been designed

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Ronny Standtke -- Monday 02 February 2004 23:01: But dont be a sissy, Who? The Empress? She was actually called Sisi ... I am a developer myself [...] and the German keyboard never troubled me while programming. But not a TeX programmer, right? :-} But thats quite OT, because

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/f16/Models f16.ac, 1.17, 1.18 f16.xml, 1.8, 1.9

2004-01-12 Thread Martin Spott
Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/f16/Models In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv20447 Modified Files: f16.ac f16.xml Log Message: Add gear animation Woohooo ! Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/f16/Models f16.ac, 1.17, 1.18 f16.xml, 1.8, 1.9

2004-01-12 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/f16/Models In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv20447 Modified Files: f16.ac f16.xml Log Message: Add gear animation Woohooo ! I take this as a compliment. Thanks! Erik ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-01-12 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/f16/Models In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv20447 Modified Files: f16.ac f16.xml Log Message: Add gear animation Woohooo ! I take this as a compliment. Absolutely - with the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-01-12 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Woohooo ! I take this as a compliment. Absolutely - with the gear retracted the F16 looks really 'smart'. I have been waiting all the time for a retractable gear but didn't dare to ask It never hurts to ask. It's just that it

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: docs/Model fgfs-model-howto.html, 1.4, 1.5

2004-01-08 Thread Martin Spott
Hello Erik, Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: + link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=http://www.flightgear.org/default.css; [...] + a href=http://www.flightgear.org/;img id=titlebar src=http://www.flightgear.org/images/fglogosm.jpg; alt=/a You probably might want to use

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. Previously you could type Shift-1 Shift-2 Shift-3 ... etc. to select an engine. Then '{' and '}' would select the magnetos. Finally, space bar would kick in the starter motor for as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of engines, and avoid the why are there 10

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:49:30 -0600 Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. Previously you could type Shift-1 Shift-2 Shift-3 ... etc. to select an engine. Then '{' and '}' would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of engines, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon S Berndt writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:49:30 -0600 Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. Previously you could type Shift-1 Shift-2 Shift-3 ... etc. to select an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2003-12-29 Thread Martin Spott
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Previously you could type Shift-1 Shift-2 Shift-3 ... etc. to select an engine. Then '{' and '}' would select the magnetos. Finally, space bar would kick in the starter motor for as long as it was depressed. Let me take a look. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of engines, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: Curtis L. Olson wrote: David, (Andy?) It appears that in the latest cvs, we have lost the ability to control the engines independently. This one is mine. The recent Nasal stuff contains a rework of the engine handling to allow for arbitrary numbers of engines, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Andy Ross
Curt wrote: select = sel.getChild(engine, i); Could there be a bug in this form of getChild()? Heh, bingo. That was exactly it. See the other post for notes. Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: It appears (to me) to be a property setting problem. Andy, does nasal have the ability to dump console output for temporary debugging? Sure, there's a print() function which uses SG_LOG; for exactly this purpose. There's even a fancy dump() method on a property node

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/dc3/Models dc3-dpm.ac, 1.7, 1.8 dc3-dpm.xml, 1.10, 1.11

2003-12-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: Sure, there's a print() function which uses SG_LOG; for exactly this purpose. There's even a fancy dump() method on a property node that you can use to dump a property tree to the console. Ok, thanks, I eventually found it. Quite useful, thanks. :-) It turns out to be a

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Geometry frighter.ac, NONE,

2003-12-01 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv27779 Added Files: frighter.ac Shouöld this ship frighten us ? ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Models/Geometry frighter.ac, NONE,

2003-12-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv27779 Added Files: frighter.ac Shou?ld this ship frighten us ? ;-) Only if it's directly above you ... Erik

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, 1.3, 1.4 Rotorpart.cpp, 1.2, 1.3

2003-11-25 Thread Jim Wilson
David, There's a sprintf in Rotor.cpp and compilation is failing with the stdio.h include removed. Best, Jim David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Index: Rotor.cpp === RCS file:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, 1.3, 1.4 Rotorpart.cpp, 1.2, 1.3

2003-11-25 Thread Cameron Moore
David, As for the STL headers, use these instead: #include STL_IOSTREAM #include STL_IOMANIP There are actually many files that are not using these variables from simgear/compiler.h. It looks like the ATC code and JSBSim are handling this on their own instead of letting Simgear do it

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Scenery hitlist.cxx, 1.3,

2003-11-21 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Scenery In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18274/src/Scenery Modified Files: hitlist.cxx hitlist.hxx tilemgr.cxx tilemgr.hxx Log Message: With this patch, you can fly under bridges, then turn around

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jim Sorry mate the last time I worked on choppers was 30 years ago. But what I could suggest is to download a MSFS panel you like and convert it for FG use. I have found that you can use the artwork of panels made for FS98 and then add the instruments from FG. While for a complete panel for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:03, Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Jim Sorry mate the last time I worked on choppers was 30 years ago. But what I could suggest is to download a MSFS panel you like and convert it for FG use. I have found that you can use the artwork of panels made for FS98 and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Maik Maik Justus writes Hi Innis, The tail rotor could be tied to the rudder but it should give equal rotation around its axis regardless of the forward speed or lack of it of the helo. Hm. I hink this is only correct for acrobatic (3D) model-helos with a (so called) heading lock gyro,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Lee Elliott writes Hi Lee You are absolutely right. But I was just making people aware that some parts of the MSFS panels can be used in FG with little effort. What problem would there be if the readme for a panel xml file said that it would work with a certain MSFS background.As long as the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Mally
My understanding of the tail rotor is to counteract the torque of the main rotor and to rotate the helo around its Z axis in either a CW or CCW direction depending on the lift supplied by the tail rotor. Loss of a tail rotor more than likely will result in loss of the helo unless the pilot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Mally
You are absolutely right. But I was just making people aware that some parts of the MSFS panels can be used in FG with little effort. What problem would there be if the readme for a panel xml file said that it would work with a certain MSFS background.As long as the person uses it themself

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Lee Elliott
Hello Innis, Where people have given permission there is no problem at all but if a FG document says you have to get this artwork for yourself because we aren't allowed to include it then we're admiting that we don't have permission to use it but that there's a loop-hole that allows

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Mally You are probably right.Just wonder if they would feel the same way if they found something in here they could use. Cheers Innis The Mad Aussi Mally You are absolutely right. But I was just making people aware that some parts of the MSFS panels can be used in FG with little effort.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Lee I just hate reinventing the wheel over and over.And as we have a bit of a shortage of panels in FG I thought it might be a way to get some more. Anyway there are a couple of people in MSFS who have given there permission so if I am going to persue this I will restrict myself to those

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Martin Spott
Maik Justus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bo really can loop and act quite different to many other helos. Zimmerman flew a slightly modified (lubrication of the main gear box) BO-105 which was able to fly top-down, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-18 Thread Nick Coleman
Just to clarify a couple of things re helicopters: Once the engine stops there is no torque and the helicopter can be autorotated to a safe landing using the same principle as a gyrocopter. This manouvre is part of training to get a licence and is practised many times. The danger with an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jim While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a bit like mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle.In most helo's I worked on the throttle was opened wide and then the collective was pulled on. It is very interesting to see the look on the passengers faces when the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Innis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Jim While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a bit like mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle.In most helo's I worked on the throttle was opened wide and then the collective was pulled on. It is very interesting to see

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread David Megginson
Innis Cunningham writes: While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a bit like mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle. It's just a terminology problem, not a flight-modelling problem -- it sucks using /controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle (or whatever) to manipulate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Curtis L. Olson wrote: It also loops quite easily ... not saying that was the first thing I tried. How do you run the collective? How about yaw control? The rudder seemed to act more like an aerodynamic rudder ... not that I know anything about how a helo is supposed to fly ... Curt. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, NONE,

2003-10-17 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, Oh, _that_ one is really nice. Although the heli is really very well thanks behaved (even with mouse any keyboard control I find it pretty easy to fly _and_land_)... The bo is a little bit different to most other helicopters. I don't say that this simulation is totally realistic, but it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-17 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Innis, Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Jim While mapping the collective to the throttle would work. It is a bit like mapping a variable pitch prop to a throttle.In most helo's I worked on the throttle was opened wide and then the collective was pulled on. On most modern helos the engine is

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, NONE,

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/FDM/YASim In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7544 Added Files: Rotor.cpp Rotor.hpp Rotorblade.cpp Rotorblade.hpp Rotorpart.cpp Rotorpart.hpp Log Message: Initial revision. Maik Justus:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, NONE,

2003-10-16 Thread Jim Wilson
Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/FDM/YASim In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7544 Added Files: Rotor.cpp Rotor.hpp Rotorblade.cpp Rotorblade.hpp Rotorpart.cpp Rotorpart.hpp Log

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Rotor.cpp, NONE,

2003-10-16 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 16 October 2003 18:10, Jim Wilson wrote: Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/FDM/YASim In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7544 Added Files: Rotor.cpp Rotor.hpp Rotorblade.cpp

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Spott
Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Oh, _that_ one is really nice. Although the heli is really very well behaved (even with mouse any keyboard control I find it pretty easy to fly _and_land_) I'm shure that crash detection should definitely be the next

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Martin Spott writes: O.k., I'll try tomorrow. I'm curious why it didn't get triggered today. BTW, for those who never flew a heli: If you chose to stand outside then take a position on the left behind the helicopter. This makes the first steps lots easier,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:02 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are still some problems we need to work out. For example, if you set the wind to 0 and turn off the engine, the helicopter still slides backwards and turns -- we'll have to figure out why there are forces acting on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: It also loops quite easily ... not saying that was the first thing I tried. How do you run the collective? How about yaw control? The rudder seemed to act more like an aerodynamic rudder ... not that I know anything about how a helo is supposed to fly ... Try

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread David Megginson
Jon S Berndt writes: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:15:02 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are still some problems we need to work out. For example, if you set the wind to 0 and turn off the engine, the helicopter still slides backwards and turns -- we'll have to figure

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Martin Spott writes: O.k., I'll try tomorrow. I'm curious why it didn't get triggered today. BTW, for those who never flew a heli: If you chose to stand outside then take a position on the left behind the helicopter. This makes the first

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It also loops quite easily ... not saying that was the first thing I tried. How do you run the collective? How about yaw control? The rudder seemed to act more like an aerodynamic rudder ... not that I know anything about how a helo is supposed to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2003-10-16 Thread Martin Spott
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are still some problems we need to work out. For example, if you set the wind to 0 and turn off the engine, the helicopter still slides backwards and turns -- we'll have to figure out why there are forces acting on it. To test: fgfs

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: www/Docs/InstallGuide getstart.css,

2003-10-15 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/www/Docs/InstallGuide In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv29188/Docs/InstallGuide Modified Files: getstart.css getstart.html getstartap1.html getstartap2.html getstartap3.html getstartch1.html

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: www/Docs/InstallGuide getstart.css,

2003-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott writes: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/www/Docs/InstallGuide In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv29188/Docs/InstallGuide Modified Files: getstart.css getstart.html getstartap1.html getstartap2.html getstartap3.html

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: www/Docs/InstallGuide getstart.html, 1.6,

2003-10-06 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/www/Docs/InstallGuide In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv19466/Docs/InstallGuide Modified Files: getstart.html getstartap1.html getstartap2.html getstartap3.html getstartch1.html getstartch2.html

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Instrumentation adf.cxx, 1.1, 1.2

2003-10-02 Thread Bernie Bright
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 03:47:35 -0500 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Instrumentation In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv9276 Modified Files: adf.cxx Log Message: Work around a MipsPro 7.2 STL problem Index: adf.cxx

[Flightgear-devel] re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Scenery tileentry.cxx, 1.28, 1.29 tileentry.hxx, 1.8, 1.9 tilemgr.cxx, 1.24, 1.25

2003-09-24 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes (in a CVS log entry): VASI/PAPI lights are generally always on. I remember reading somewhere that they are typically turned off in very low visibility when a precision approach is in use, unless explicitly requested by the pilot -- unfortunately, I cannot locate the

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38 T38.xml, 1.2, 1.3

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/T38 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv23354 Modified Files: T38.xml I'd vote for a modification of the 3D model. The cones behind the engines don't look _that_ realistic when sitting idle on the runway:

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38 T38.xml, 1.2, 1.3

2003-09-16 Thread Frederic BOUVIER
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/T38 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv23354 Modified Files: T38.xml I'd vote for a modification of the 3D model. The cones behind the engines don't look _that_ realistic when sitting idle on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Frederic BOUVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/T38 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv23354 Modified Files: T38.xml I'd vote for a modification of the 3D model. The cones behind the engines don't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: and _if_ they appear the probably should be sort of yellow/orange, not white, Not really, the T-38 doesn't have an afterburner. It's meant to be the heath buildup that disturbs the airflow and hence influences the visibility in the specific area. Erik

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.16,

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Cockpit In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv26208 Modified Files: panel.cxx Although this improves the altimeter display in the default aircraft, the c310u3a-3d looks a bit strange now at my end:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/T38

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's meant to be the heath buildup that disturbs the airflow and hence influences the visibility in the specific area. Personally I consider the cones a bit dominant for this purpose, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.16,

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Erik Hofman said: Martin Spott wrote: Although this improves the altimeter display in the default aircraft, the c310u3a-3d looks a bit strange now at my end: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/Panel_04.png I don't get it. Is this OpenGL implementation dependent or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Although this improves the altimeter display in the default aircraft, the c310u3a-3d looks a bit strange now at my end: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/Panel_04.png What depth buffer do you have? I tested it with my

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.17,

2003-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Cockpit In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv3773 Modified Files: panel.cxx Log Message: Try to prevent z-buffer problems for video cards with a 16-bit depth buffer _Slight_ improvement on a 24 bpp

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Cockpit panel.cxx, 1.17,

2003-09-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Cockpit In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv3773 Modified Files: panel.cxx Log Message: Try to prevent z-buffer problems for video cards with a 16-bit depth buffer _Slight_ improvement on a

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