Re: [Flightgear-users] recommendation for joystick/pedals for fgfs/Linux?
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:31:07 +0200 (IST), Vassilii wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The CH Products Yoke and Pedals (USB) has worked fine here for at least 2 years. Regards Sid. Thanks to Sid and all the other recommenders of the things to use with fgfs. I got a set of the above from someone at the university, and got it to work (modulo the linux kernel patch I needed to create locally --- i've just filed it in the DBTS as http://bugs.debian.org/341035; it should have also been auto-posted to the flightgear-users list as well. If you use the current Debian kernel, it might be useful for you). I'll now try to get such a set for permanent use in our graphics lab. ..tsk tsk, try 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. ;o) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ $ dpkg -l |grep linux-image ii linux-image-2.6-386 2.6.14-3 Linux kernel 2.6 image on 386-class machines rc linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 2.6.12-10 Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on 386-class machi ii linux-image-2.6.14-1-386 2.6.14-2 Linux kernel 2.6.14 image on 386-class machi ii linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 2.6.14-3 Linux kernel 2.6.14 image on 386-class machi -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Frames/Second and Hardware survey
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:56:42 +, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Duncan writes: Yeah, I think you're right. So, suppose we say start off with Cessna 172 at KSFO *without* the Nimitz scenario loaded. You need a given time as well, to count the lighting effects out. Suggest --timeofday=noon. You also need consistency in FSAA and anisotropic filtering settings - both of these can hit frame rate on pixel-bound setups. Regarding the Linux/Windows issue, my plan was to use frames/second as the key field, and then it any operating system issue *might* become obvious... The results will hopefully speak for themselves. I can see this survey process is probably something that will be refined over time, but it would be nice to begin with a few data points :-) You also need to get consistency in geometry - eg 800x600, 1024x768 etc. Measuring FPS at 2 pixel resolutions and 2 scene complexities (eg. Downtown SF vs. somewhere flat and featureless) is a good way of finding if you are pixel or polygon limited on a given setup. ..why just 2? And, what happened to FGBenchmark? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:28:56 +0100, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le samedi 26 novembre 2005 à 23:27 +0100, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:16:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..I still use an old ISA 256kB video card on my firewall, it can do 256 color VGA!!! ;o) Not a surprise, if we want to compete with oldies, i have a full operational PC 386, with a 16 kb graphics card, that pc is still in use to control measurement instrument (oscilloscope and sound analysis) ..outta my junk pile I can dig a 64kB total ram Apple II clone that can put 64k colors or ugly noises on any useless TV set. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:40:10 +0100, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In addition I should have 256k Video Mem ..you mean 256M. And, word is 128M cards will perform better unless you go for the very top end 256M cards, less in-card overhead or somesuch. ..seriously, this wee log snippet tells you what you need and not. (II) RADEON(0): CP in BM mode (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 MB GART aperture (II) RADEON(0): Using 1 MB for the ring buffer (II) RADEON(0): Using 2 MB for vertex/indirect buffers (II) RADEON(0): Using 5 MB for GART textures (II) RADEON(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (2048,8191) (II) RADEON(0): Reserved area from (0,1536) to (2048,1538) (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 2048 x 6653 (II) RADEON(0): Will use back buffer at offset 0x240 (II) RADEON(0): Will use depth buffer at offset 0x300 (II) RADEON(0): Will use 69632 kb for textures at offset 0x3c0 (II) RADEON(0): Render acceleration enabled (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) ..if you run 1600x1200x24bpp, you get 85MB's for textures. ..ok, 2048x1536x24bpp is heavy for a K6-2 450MHz box. ;o) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/src/brlcad-7.6.4 $ glxgears 184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.800 FPS 184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.800 FPS 184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.800 FPS 184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.800 FPS 184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.800 FPS [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/src/brlcad-7.6.4 $ That card is AGPX8 That card needs more electric power, you must buy a minimum of 500 watts supply. ..and 1x for this old box, my other agp box is a PII 300. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:47:08 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: What's your line here? ..oneliner. Hmmm. I see Knoppix' ppmtompeg assumes you set up a parameter file. Oh well, you can still have another box running netcat and ppmtompeg, (and your primary box running FlightGear): ..install and run fgfs with --jpg-httpd=port , to enable the screen shot http server on the specified port, say, on port 12345. ..on the movie maker box: nc -l FGbox 12345 |ppmtompeg -realquiet \ /home/knoppix/fg-movie-parameter-file, details in man nc and man ppmtompeg on any box run up with a Knoppix disk or running linux. ..similar schemes movie making schemes: http://spot.river-styx.com/viewarticle.php?id=12 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-enc-images.html http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=%22encode+movie%22+jpeg+Linux+networkbtnG=Search .._many_ ways to skin this cat, even if my little oneliner-on-knoppix scheme died, it needs a parameter file on the movie maker box. ;o) http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=ppmtompeg+%22sample+parameter-file%22btnG=Search ..eh, just found the parameter file saves my oneliner scheme with a REMOTE machine user executable parameter file line. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: carriers
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:21:24 +0100, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le mercredi 23 novembre 2005 à 17:13 +, AJ MacLeod a écrit : snip At the risk of teaching Granny... later marks of Lightning also carried hooks; one-shot devices for use on land _only_, for emergencies. Designed to catch RHAG and other arrestor devices in case of brake failure or whatever. As Vivian said, the Hunter is equipped with a hook for the same reason (and can be successfully landed on Nimitz), but has no launching gear. And you may add F16 ..these hooks are for the over-run wires, on at least RNoAFB's, is the final chance to avoid running off the runway. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] pre-release 0.9.9 on Win32
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:53:43 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: Have not forgotten, will do this when I have that PC to myself. .. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: carriers
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:33:50 +0100, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: = into AIScenario.cxx line103 we find en-name= entry_node-getStringValue(name, Nimitz); Nimitz seem given as default. Isn't it a mistake? ..is it hardcoded??? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: carriers
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:29:47 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Alistair: Could talk like this for ages, but! Wires and heavy chain for emergencies. Hunters could take off from a deck as with all the others, without catapults. Perhaps vixens, because of there taxiing, in a zigzag fashion would be a good aircraft for the builders, as with Gannets and their dome slung beneath them!!! I'm happy as a sand boy now I've got Nimitz to manipulate. If I can get Concorde out, I'll see if I can get her to land on the deck and force a strong head wind over the deck to take off!!! ..finally a decent use for hurricanes, which cat do you need? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] pre-release 0.9.9 on Win32
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:59:27 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello: I can really echo your sentiments, as a Windows user. With four computers here (Windows XP) I do not have an option to change them from a work point of view, but I have recently been seeking an alternative to run FG. ..that was all the Knoppix noise a while back which we took offlist. ;o) With the help of Arnt, we have been trying to ..you _did_ try the 64bit Ubuntu Live CD on your 64bit iron? get one of the computers to accept something other than Windows. We are finding it very difficult to cater for different pieces of hardware and their compatibility to operate. A developer will have the same problem to try to simulate a similar scenario of the problem, if he/she does not have the same hardware/software. To be able to offer a developer a specific problem that I as a user am having difficulties with, so that a solution can be found for all, does not pose a difficulty. It is a matter of pointing the user in the right direction to get the information that is needed. This is what is missing for someone like me and with time on my hands, to an extent, but wanting to give something back in return. It is felt that one is left to one's own devices to get on with it. The number of questions that I have posed could have been reduced if I new where to look; whether it be a problem or how to do something. Something could be added to the website giving information on how to find one's way around FG with little explanatory notes is all that is needed. If it is necessary to tap into the Windows' user's market place, to get the feedback that is desperately needed, then just a little help is required to know where to start looking within FG and the complexities of many different contributors that make FG what it is. ..one very frustrating thing with Vintage Wintendo Users is their traditional failure to give _accurate_ info, and their inability to do _exactly_ as told to, to get that info. Instead, they have a way of glossing over the gory details in the very same way Microsoft does in their error messages AFAIRT and of giving up way too early on facing challenging choises. And, Microsoft wants it this way, for commercial reasons. ..now, mail me the log files from your 64bit test, off list, we're not done with ATI's on 64bit iron. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:07:07 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, a little reminiscing here, but I am hoping to use my favourite workhorse, Concorde, to do circuits and bumps on the Nimitz! ..guys, the --jpeg-factory server works for all ports of FG-0.9.9? With that, and another box wget'ing the jpeg's, and a wee oneliner, he can make screen shot movies. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:33:50 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bonjour Fred: Je suis en France dans l'Auvergne. Si je parle très forte, tant pis, mais après beaucoup des heures, avec des autres, en tant que je peux dissiper des problèmes, je continua comme ça ! Little is given to Windows' users and we have to find ways to resolve our issues. We did not have access to the pre versions, but, yes, we are left to resolve them ourselves. There are some list members who have given hours of their time to assist us. Like me, we thank them for this. In the main it may be a graphics card/driver problem, but then again we are in the mass market and developers SHOULD remember this. ..one part of the problem: http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=OpenGLkeyType=phrasedatestart=dateend=topic=0type=allauthor=0mode=search I am too old and can go far back, but there was a spirit in being able to share information. Times are changing and nowadays, these persons are few and far between. The spirit of Flight Gear is excellent, but it is becoming too big and splintered, with what seem many unfinished projects and no control over its ultimate direction. We have even had one aircraft developer recently say that he created an aircraft, but did not expect anyone to use it! His response was to someone asking why the cockpit was not finished!!! Why was it made available for download? ..to have somebody else take over developing it. Quit whining, go ahead 'n fix it. There are big issues with this release and, so far, it seems to be Windows related. As for non-Windows operating systems and the types of problems we are reading about, these seem to be, in the main, related to how script or codes are written and where to find the relevant information. What we are seeing is more discontent and this is going to grow. With previous versions, we heard that this or that would be resolved in the next release or new script (which cannot be accessed for Windows). We now have the latest version, but the pre release was not available for Windows' users. As I said the mass market is Windows and if we were able to access developments as they happened, there would be more individuals available to comment on or inform of problems. As it is, it is afterwards and too late to do anything about it. If the problems were resolved, would Windows' users have access to the changes when immediately needed? Then, in answering your question, would I donate for development - yes, but only when I was assured that it benefited Windows' users. At this time it does not. ..see above link, Microsoft has a commercial interest in putting an end to OpenGL, GNU/Linux, and FlightGear, we threaten MS MSFS!!!. Methods used include lobbying to get open source banned, litigation thru proxies, and bug fixes thru their os updating service, which makes Microsoft Wisdows a moving target and next to impossible for FlightGear to support Wintendo users. Try open your very first MSWord document on your current machine. Them throw blame flames. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FGFS 0.9.9-pre2 shadows...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:28:54 +0100, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le lundi 14 novembre 2005 à 02:10 +0100, Georg Vollnhals a écrit : Chris Wilkinson schrieb: , but I still don't see any shadows. If I change them in the 'view - rendering options' menu, or if I change the settings in the preferences.xml file makes no difference...still no shadows are cast for me to see. I will keep investigating... :-) Hi, try --bpp=24 as parameter when starting FG. I had the same problem until I got the idea to try this. Now I have nice shadows and a nice reduction in frame-rate. But it's worth :-) Regards Georg You are right Georg, but it should be probably done during X loading And first Chris must check within xconfig if it is 24 and not 16. Here my configuration: SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes1600x1280 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 ..most people use 1600x1200, 1600x1280 is some kinda laptop screen? EndSubSection -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Sound on Linux systems
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:38:19 +0800, Innis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello All I am just wundering if anyone else is experiencing the same problem I am. I have FG on a duel boot box. On windows the sound works all the time.But on the linux system (Mandrake 10.0)the first time I boot into it it does not work but every time after that the sound works ..try alsaconf. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] ..help 64bit K8 hardware diagnosis for FG, was: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:53:40 +, Sid wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:45:44 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey guys, Some of this started out interesting, but at some point you might consider taking this offline into private email ... Curt. ..sure, but I|we need help on the 64bit K8 hardware diagnosis: On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:42:59 +0100, Arnt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:50:00 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: This is from the PC using Knoppix. ..this is a 64 bit AMD iron, AFAICT. LSPCI:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] lspci :00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5950 ..Subsystems for device 1002:5950: RS480 Host Bridge http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii/?i=10025950 :00:02.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a34 ..Subsystems for device 1002:5a34: RS480 PCI-X Root Port http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii/?i=10025a34 ..this is a pci-x card that you're using? Mail me your /var/log/XFree.0.log , offlist, its too long here. ..any of you guys recognise this above ATI hardware? Is it all 64bit or can it be made at least limping, coughing etc into life on 32bit code? You need an updated /usr/share/pci.ids file from pciids.sourceforge.net, ..duh! thanks. these are some of the returns from the latest one . 4372 IXP SB400 SMBus Controller 5a34 RS480 PCI-X Root Port 4376 Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller ATI 5b60 RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] STUFF DELETED Regards Sid. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] ..help 64bit K8 hardware diagnosis for FG, was: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:45:44 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey guys, Some of this started out interesting, but at some point you might consider taking this offline into private email ... Curt. ..sure, but I|we need help on the 64bit K8 hardware diagnosis: On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:42:59 +0100, Arnt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:50:00 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: This is from the PC using Knoppix. ..this is a 64 bit AMD iron, AFAICT. LSPCI:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] lspci :00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5950 :00:02.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a34 :00:11.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 437a :00:12.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4379 :00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4374 :00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4375 :00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4373 :00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4372 (rev 04) :00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4376 :00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4377 :00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4371 :00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 ..any of you guys recognise this above ATI hardware? Is it all 64bit or can it be made at least limping, coughing etc into life on 32bit code? :00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b60 :01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b70 :02:01.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K WinModem (rev 03) :02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) :02:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) [EMAIL PROTECTED] DMESG:- ata3: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/100, 390721968 sectors: lba48 ata3(0): applying Seagate errata fix ata3: dev 0 configured for UDMA/100 scsi2 : sata_sil ata4: no device found (phy stat ) scsi3 : sata_sil Vendor: ATA Model: ST3200822AS Rev: 3.02 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 SCSI device sda: 390721968 512-byte hdwr sectors (200050 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back SCSI device sda: 390721968 512-byte hdwr sectors (200050 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back sda: sda1 sda2 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice EISA: Probing bus 0 at eisa.0 Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 4 EISA: Detected 0 cards. NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 32Kbytes TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) TCP bind hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 196608 bytes) TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384) NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 15 ACPI wakeup devices: PCI0 USB0 USB1 USB2 AUDO P2P MAC ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 seagate: ST0x/TMC-8xx not detected. Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! usbcore: registered new driver usbfs usbcore: registered new driver hub USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 ohci_hcd: 2004 Nov 08 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:13.0[A] - GSI 19 (level, low) - IRQ 19 ohci_hcd :00:13.0: PCI device 1002:4374 (ATI Technologies Inc) ohci_hcd :00:13.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 ohci_hcd :00:13.0: irq 19, io mem 0xfe02d000 hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 4 ports detected ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:13.1[A] - GSI 19 (level, low) - IRQ 19 ohci_hcd :00:13.1: PCI device 1002:4375 (ATI Technologies Inc) ohci_hcd :00:13.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 ohci_hcd :00:13.1: irq 19, io mem 0xfe02c000 hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-0:1.0: 4 ports detected Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... usb 1-4: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage USB Mass Storage support registered.
Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:08:26 +0100, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le mardi 08 novembre 2005 à 12:37 -0400, Enrique Vaamonde a écrit : Gerard ROBIN wrote: Le mardi 08 novembre 2005 à 14:32 +, David Ginger a écrit : On Friday 04 Nov 2005 12:31, Jon Berndt wrote: Suhkoi 27 . . . Nato codename Flanker That one ? http://ghours.club.fr/Flanker.jpg wow nice...do you know when is it going to be available ? cheers -E Sorry it is not available, If you red my previous mail you understood it is not GPL. ..you did ask the author? May be i could schedule to do the Su33 which is the Naval version. (Su33 on Nimitz that could be funny) Before i must achieve F8 Crusader and F4U Corsair, I do not work quickly. Cheers -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:11:39 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: The PC: Entered 'knoppix 2' followed by 'xf86cfg' but arrives at input signal out of reach! The same goes for 'startx' and init 5. Nothing is happening with 'init 2' either. Now 'expert', well lots of 'yes' and 'no', but still returns to input signal out of reach! I think this will be a case of knowing what to confirm or otherwise. ..stay mean, combine dirty tricks from http://knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:59 AM To: FlightGear user discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:08:50 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: Just a quick message to let you know that 'knoppix xmodule=radeon' does not work! It starts to boot, but about half way through there is a lot of flashing of error text; too fast to know what all the lines say, but the boot finishes with Error: No suitable X-Server found for your card. Prior to this the text it mentions AGP modules! ..boot it with knoppix 2 , then play with xf86cfg and startx and init 5 , go back to the boot state with init 2 . ..or, get mean: boot it with expert . ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:11:19 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: We now seem to be getting in to very deep technical stuff, especially for me! Partitioning disks!!! The following will give you the breakdown of the PC, insofar as one hard disk known as C and D Drives. Local Disk C - File System is NTFS and is called HP Pavilion (C) (Pavilion is the model that HP has called this PC). Used Space: 11.4 GB Free Space: 167 GB. ..ok, you don't need more than 67G for everything when you do go completely bananas installing everything, so the above ntfs can be shrunk to say 100GB and still remain 11.4% full. Local Disk D - File system is FAT32 and is called HP Recovery (D) (HP is Hewlett Packard). Used Space: 3.74 GB. Free Space: 3.21 GB. ..leave it alone. I only know the terms NTFS and FAT32 in passing, but it seems that you would prefer FAT32 than NTFS. Certainly Local Disk C has the space to use, but there must be a reason why they call D 'Recovery' and it's smaller in capacity of the two! ..you want GNU/Linux on ext3. Period. Anyway, we still have to find the good boot method before anything else. ..like I said: put Grub in the master boot record, so it boots both os'es with a nice boot menu. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:34:32 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: The Toshiba: I have tried 'knoppix i810 xmodule screen=1024x768'. This does not work, leaving the screen dull and colours as they previously were. ..stay mean, combine dirty tricks from http://knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:47 AM How about the other laptops? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
..er, wrong button, let's try again. On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:13:53 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: The PC: 'knoppix Xmodule=radeon' does not work and I get the input signal out of range box again! ..duh! Try 'knoppix xmodule=radeon', all lower case. dmesg says? I have been back to the Debian web site again to download the AMD64 architecture, but it has gone from their site!!! Anyway, I think that until someone has identified or recognised the ATI hardware, I will leave off this download, as I can't save it anyway. The PC does not have floppy drives; neither does most lap tops these days! We don't have USB 'key rings or the like either to save on!!! It can save it to the hard drive, but there is a cautionary note about having to load ..beware we are _very_ cautious, I have never tried putting knoppix data on ntfs, but considering the way I usually stomp ntfs into wee corners, I'd be surprised to hear of failures. something else from knoppix to do that, so decided not to venture down that avenue. ..ok, all your laptops run 32bit and are ntfs in the worst case, and even ntfs can be resized quite safely, in my experience. First back up and defragment etc the ntfs from Wintendo, then boot knoppix and in the K menu go find System - QTParted. ..once you play around it, you'll find it quite intuitive. Now, since you run Wintendo for a living, I recommend you restrain your urge to stomp it hard into some wee corner, leave it say 15% of air. For knoppix config and command history data, 1MB upwards will do fine, it be vfat or ext3 on the hard disk or a cheapo usb key. ..Knoppix will need 2.5GB, use the new freed space for ext3 and GNU/Linux and put Grub in the master boot record, so it boots both os'es with a nice boot menu. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 22:25:47 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: This is more from Knoppix on the Toshiba: [EMAIL PROTECTED] glxinfo /home/knoppix/fg Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0. [EMAIL PROTECTED] :00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller (rev 03) :00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller (rev 03) ..hmmm. :00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) :00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03) :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XP4m32 (rev 91) ..hmmm. Try the i810 xmodule, and screen=1024x768. processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 9 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz stepping: 5 cpu MHz : 1596.166 cache size : 1024 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe est tm2 bogomips: 3162.11 ..this iron too is plenty good cpu-wise, but the graphics... How about the other laptops? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:08:50 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: Just a quick message to let you know that 'knoppix xmodule=radeon' does not work! It starts to boot, but about half way through there is a lot of flashing of error text; too fast to know what all the lines say, but the boot finishes with Error: No suitable X-Server found for your card. Prior to this the text it mentions AGP modules! ..boot it with knoppix 2 , then play with xf86cfg and startx and init 5 , go back to the boot state with init 2 . ..or, get mean: boot it with expert . ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:20 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: I will recommence to obtain the information. However, the Toshiba was just about the vga, the rest is the PC. Therefore, the Toshiba had vga=ask, but did not accept that text. My question referred to your try another number. What number and wherefrom? ..aha. ;o) vga=ask should offer a wee menu with basic vga setups and prompt you for a choise and offer to scan for a coupla more setups, and carry on with the boot with vga at 80x25 after 30 seconds if you do nothing. You need tho play with it to find a setup that works, if it goes blind or way dark, just feed it Ctrl-Alt-Delete to reboot and try another setup. ..you did try the fb800x600 etc boot images? Those are meant for cranky laptop diagnosis. ;o) I will respond from the PC with the PC information. ..ok. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:03:22 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I then went to the Debian website, but found I need to know which architecture to use. However, I did download for AMD64 and it is sitting in the Home Knoppix folder! I have not touched any other packages as yet, as this is all new territory now. ..this iron will do FG _just_ fine. ;o) Knoppix is 32bit, so you don't want this on your 64bit machine, and 32bit Knoppix needs 32bit FG anyway. 32bit Knoppix will do fine for messing around to learn both CNU/Linux and FG, but you wanna put 64bit code on it, and I see that some of the ATI (64bit???) hardware is not yet recognised. ..I want you to try knoppix Xmodule=radeon on your next boot. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:50:00 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: This is from the PC using Knoppix. ..reboot trying knoppix Xmodule=radeon and redo the slave work. LSPCI:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] lspci :00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5950 :00:02.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a34 :00:11.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 437a :00:12.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4379 :00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4374 :00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4375 :00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4373 :00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4372 (rev 04) :00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4376 :00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4377 :00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4371 :00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 ..any of you guys recognise this above ATI hardware? Is it all 64bit or can it be made at least limping, coughing etc into life on 32bit code? :00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b60 :01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b70 :02:01.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K WinModem (rev 03) :02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) :02:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) [EMAIL PROTECTED] DMESG:- ata3: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/100, 390721968 sectors: lba48 ata3(0): applying Seagate errata fix ata3: dev 0 configured for UDMA/100 scsi2 : sata_sil ata4: no device found (phy stat ) scsi3 : sata_sil Vendor: ATA Model: ST3200822AS Rev: 3.02 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 SCSI device sda: 390721968 512-byte hdwr sectors (200050 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back SCSI device sda: 390721968 512-byte hdwr sectors (200050 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back sda: sda1 sda2 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice EISA: Probing bus 0 at eisa.0 Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 4 EISA: Detected 0 cards. NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 32Kbytes TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) TCP bind hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 196608 bytes) TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384) NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 15 ACPI wakeup devices: PCI0 USB0 USB1 USB2 AUDO P2P MAC ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 seagate: ST0x/TMC-8xx not detected. Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! usbcore: registered new driver usbfs usbcore: registered new driver hub USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 ohci_hcd: 2004 Nov 08 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:13.0[A] - GSI 19 (level, low) - IRQ 19 ohci_hcd :00:13.0: PCI device 1002:4374 (ATI Technologies Inc) ohci_hcd :00:13.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 ohci_hcd :00:13.0: irq 19, io mem 0xfe02d000 hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 4 ports detected ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:13.1[A] - GSI 19 (level, low) - IRQ 19 ohci_hcd :00:13.1: PCI device 1002:4375 (ATI Technologies Inc) ohci_hcd :00:13.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 ohci_hcd :00:13.1: irq 19, io mem 0xfe02c000 hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-0:1.0: 4 ports detected Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... usb 1-4: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage USB Mass Storage support registered. ieee1394: Initialized config rom entry `ip1394' ohci1394: $Rev: 1250 $ Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACPI: PCI Interrupt :02:04.0[A] - GSI 21 (level, low) - IRQ 21 PCI: Via IRQ fixup for :02:04.0, from 255 to 5 usb-storage: device found at 2 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[21] MMIO=[fdcfd000-fdcfd7ff] Max Packet=[2048] sbp2: $Rev: 1219 $ Ben
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:03:22 -0500, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: Some more information. I used the following from an earlier email, but obviously it did not work:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get update ;apt-get install fgfs ..snip apt at work E: Couldn't find package fgfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] I then went to the Debian website, but found I need to know which architecture to use. However, I did download for AMD64 and it is sitting in the Home Knoppix folder! I have not touched any other packages as yet, as this is all new territory now. ..forgot to answer this wee bit: Wrong names shouldn't get installed. Do apt-cache search fgfs, then apt-cache show fgfs-base or whatever else you wanna look at. Another way is apt-cache --full search fgfs |less. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:47:37 + (GMT), Buchanan, wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The variety makes the advantage. I remember an old A/C with a Tux piloting, i worry it has vanished from FG. When you are talking about stuff what do you mean? Do you mean that FG team must define a standard with a specific minimum to be done, to be acceptable? do you mean a jury must decide if that a/c is good or not? where is freedom? The quality of FG is coming from the FDM, as far as i know every existing a/c are correctly defined. I think the aircraft are found in three different locations with different audience and expectations. 1) The standard aircraft distributed with a release. New users will immediately judge the quality of FG based on these and the default scenery. These really should be very high quality, while showing off the variety of simulations FG is capable of. I think should reduce the number of variants delivered as well. We really only need one C172 in the distribution. ..maybe. The C172 is well modelled and known etc for anything but sex appeal. ;o) 2) The aircraft on the hangar page on the website. The current version and status information doesn't really seem adequate to set the expectations of new users, hence the complaints. Maybe we need to have two pages - one for production quality and one for in development? ..here we can allow non-GPL plane links in a non-GPL hangar page, using the ugly P word, and those non-GPL guys stick in all the litigation prep work into each of all their planes, with an ugly big ass I accept all the contractual terms button to scare sane people home into GPL planes. 3) CVS aircraft. I don't see any need to retire aircraft from this. Anyone compiling from CVS should be savvy enough to realize that some aircraft are going to be in better state than others. ..these will have to be compatible with the GPL, or come from their own repository. Obviously I should put my money where my mouth is. So, if we can come to a concensous on which aircraft will be in the default package of the v0.9.9 release, I'll pitch in and polish some up, adding text to the help section etc. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:51:07 +0100, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le vendredi 04 novembre 2005 à 07:38 -0800, Andy Ross a écrit : Shelton D'Cruz wrote: As I make my way down the list of so called Flyable planes, the only real contender is the B1900D - quite disheartening - really how many Cessna's do we really need?? and the rest - well they are too incomplete to fly!! The B1900 is a Beechcraft, not a Cessna, and a twin engine commuter turboprop. Even interpreting cessna as a single engine light aircraft, the 1900 ain't. And I'm on record that the most fun, most instructive time I've had with FlightGear is practicing STOL techniques with the Harrier -- an aircraft with no 3D model nor cockpit. I guess I wasn't flying then. Thanks for setting me straight. Help or go home, basically. If you want eye candy and polish over fixability and variety, stay with MSFS. Andy Hi Andy, I never told you precisely, so i do. Your work about Harrier was useful for me, in a private use i have converted a high detailed msfs model harrier GR7 so i do use your fdm. This an exemple where every a/c work is useful and must be delivered officially (not stored in a CVS tree only). .._only_ under each works own license. My understanding is Microsoft's litigation policy and our GPL and our financial resources are not all that compatible. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:33:25 +1000, Shelton wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Innis This is what I get in the console when running the 737: This aircraft model is a BETA release!!! This aircraft model probably will not fly as expected. Use this model for development purposes ONLY!!! ..the idea here is weed out the whining weenies and invite coders to fix it. Second step is identify as many errors as possible, and, fix them. ..as these errors get harder to spot, we move on to the flaws, and after those we can think about moving the 737 out of beta. Welcome onboard for a bumpy ride. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:25:49 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: The Toshiba: Booting with the CD � the boot process and Knoppix�s multi coloured text shows that the computer�s system brightness control is functioning! As soon as the computer has booted and the screen and browsers or desktop are there, it is very dull. Rebooting Knoppix and pressing F3 for the choices, I typed in �knoppix vga=normal� but the screen is still very dull. ..yes, but can you see any text at all? (Yes or no) The PC: Booting with the CD � I get the Welcome to the Knoppix Live�. and the booting sequence ..you can _see_ the boot message texts scrolling by? (Yes or no) ..on CD bootup, just follow the advice given, once booted up, hit the penguin menu button beside the K menu button, select Root Shell. ..this of course assumes X, KDE, _and_ your monitor works ok. Now, we make do with Ctrl-Alt-F1 or Ctrl-Alt-F2 or Ctrl-Alt-F3 or Ctrl-Alt-F4 to get to one of these 4 cyan root consoles. ..in the cli/xterm/DOS Window, first type glxinfo (NOT GLXINFO!). This command will mention direct rendering: Yes or No. If Yes, we're done, apt-get update ;apt-get install fgfs will advice if it needs anything (such as an install mirror, I believe ftp.de.debian.org will serve you just fine, I use it to update my own install mirror). ..in the latter case No, we will need the output of lspci , dmesg and lsmod posted here, to advice further, some video cards need clue whacks and Nvidea even closed source drivers to do OpenGL. ..cat /proc/cmdline will tell us _how_ your boot command was read. and the little white box with �Input signal out of range�. A little later I get the female voice �Initiating start up sequence� and then nothing more happens. From this point you cannot take out the CD nor switch off the PC. It has to be disconnected from the mains electricity. .. ;o) The smooth talking lass tells us everything works as it should, except we see nothing on your screen and I gather that you got that message from the little white box with Input signal out of range, too. ..the easiest way to shut down a badly behaving Knoppix, is Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X, then on the cyan console prompt Ctrl-Alt-Delete. It will promt you for cd removal, unless you run from sonething other than the cd or tell it noeject. ..now if you could see the boot messages, kill X or, if you wanna let it live for eg pasifist reasons ;o) , hit Ctrl-Alt-F4 to get to one of 4 cyan root consoles, Alt-F5 or Alt-F7 takes you back into X. Handy to fix minor stuff. ..if you wanna play it safe, try xmodule=svga, Knoppix will try vesa last before giving up, and that _may_ be a problem here. Neither vesa nor svga will do OpenGL, but we're not there yet anyway. I have read what is on F3, but it does not recognise the information from the Cheat codes ..cat /proc/cmdline will tell us _precicely_ how your boot command was _read_, dmesg and the other log stuff will tell us what etc, and _how_ it was _understood_ and _acted_upon_. ;o) ..one possible reason is using CAPITAL CASE LETTERS and not lower case letters, these are very different in our unix tradition, Microsoft differ here in not distinguishing between these 2 VERY different cases. - screen=1280x1024Use specified Screen resolution for X knoppix xvrefresh=60 (or vsync=60) Use 60 Hz vertical refresh rate for X knoppix xhrefresh=80 (or hsync=80) Use 80 kHz horizontal refresh rate for X knoppix. ..another very possible case is we push your iron too hard: Try the other boot options, such as fb1280x1024, so you can _see_ what happens. (Nope, that mode won't do FG, but it will do for diagnosis) It is a new HP PC and flat screen and the drivers were verified as up-to-date. For this 17� monitor, it must be set at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Which, I believe, knoppix is already set for. ..AFAIK, it defaults to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so it will need to know what you want either from an usb key, boot server or boot floppy or some slave typing in the boot command. ;o) The other two laptops are currently in use, but lets get these two organised first of all. .. ;o) For a nice step by step Knoppix boot, try expert. ..if any of this sound less than structured and confusing, keep in mind there are more ways to do stuff, so no worries, my gasifier work shop is drying up quite nicely from the wee flash flood I got in yesterday, so I think I've earned catching up a coupla nights sleep now. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:59:57 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello: Having followed the instructions to �burn� Knoppix on to a CD, as ISO, it has been successful!!! All 3 laptops were selected to search the CD-ROM first of all, including the main PC. The lap top that I was hoping to run Knoppix on, the Toshiba with the Trident Graphics card, I find the following: The screen is too dark to identify what is on the screen. ..so turn up the light. ;o) (if that fails, try knoppix vga=normal etc.) The PC boots ..excellent. Now, before you boot it, you should see a boot screen advicing you to try the F2 and F3 buttons. You do get to those blue screens listing the boot options? and runs through its sequence. At the end there is a white box stating, �It is out of range�! But what is out of range. ..if you posted all that output here, I could tell you. (FWIW, your report above would have a lot of people dismiss you as a Microsoft shill trying to prove GNU/Linux Don't work!!!.) One of the Amilio�s does not recognise the CD to boot from. ..this one will boot from a floppy or off a network cable? (Only relevant if none of the other 2 can't run FG.) The other CD is that I see Linux/Knoppix running it all its glory, as it is the first time that I have seen Linux! Having studied the layout, I found, eventually, the FlightGear folder with �cogs� as ..forget FG for the moment. First review the boot screens and my Knoppix booting recipe in my previous messages so we can get your video hardware identified and diagnosed. ..thenafter, we'll be able to tell you _if_ these laptops can run FG, and in such case, _precisely_ how. That means we (at least I) will need you posting the exact output, which you didn't do above. icons. The question is, how do you launch it? The executable files are there, but trying every normal method to launch does not do anything. Is there another way for launching on Linux? ..plenty. ;o) Just read F2 and F3 and my previous messages. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Helicopters in Flight Gear
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:31:03 +0200, Georg wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: _ _ HI: I wrote this over the day whenever I had a little time. In the meantime there was really much activity on the list from people who already created some helo-stuff or have the intention to do so - I did not know that we have already more 3D helo modells then the BO105. But I don't want to write this mail again or correct it. So please all of you, you are meant too, feel free and invited to discuss what we could do and how we should do it: _ _ Hi all helo-addicts and helicopter-flight interested people! *** Excuse my very long mail *** We have now got to a point where it seems that a new helicopter-project could be started. So please excuse me for writing this very long mail, but if you compress some content it might be misunderstood: *** Won't read all that? - get a wonderful free FAA helicopter manual though!*** (For those not willing to read this all, have a look at the link at the bottom of the page, that might be of interest also for you :-) ) *** What do we need - 3D-modells or a better FM? *** So, if we are really interested in doing some work, let us speak of coding first not make 3-D modells. The reasons are 1. that we have a very nice BO105 which can be the base for further improvements 2. that all further 3D-stuff is useless without a basic helicopter flightmodell which gives us at least the most relevant basic functions. *** Why not use the existing flightmodell? What is wrong? *** I would not say it is wrong, it just covers only some aspects of blade and rotary wing aerodynamics. But let me first I thank *Maik Justus* for his work and that we are able to simulate helicopter flight in FlightGear. It was a first step and therefore very important but let me explain why I think we cannot simply refine his flightmodell to get what we wish: If I understand the right way what he tries to do is calculating the forces and effects of the rotor by calculating it for every blade in discrete time-steps and from this calculation the resulting forces on the helicopter. This is far too complex to handle after my opinion as we do not have the necessary hardware for the resulting flightmodell and the man-power for all that coding. The actual flightmodel only looks at a small part of all possible effects and the result is that we can do a pretty normal hover and some simple flight-maneuvers but many important things are simply wrong (ie. yaw and tail-rotor aspects, influence of wind when turning on the spot too heavy modelled, reducing collective/torque to minimum on straight and level flight with no adequate reaction/helo flying like a fixed wing) or lacking (no ground-effect, no realistic translational lift, no vortex state ((settling with power)), no airflow driven rotorblades/no autorotation possible, etc). This is only what I am just thinking of, there are many other arguments. *** Rotorblade aerodynamic is really complicated *** But we can understand this when we just have a look what we had to modell/calculate only for the blades: IF YOU KNOW that the blades are not only moving against the moving air (if not in a hover)which results in an asymmetric lift but can flap/drag (up/down, forw./back) and/or bend/twist (what results in different blade-angles (AoA) against the airflow over the whole blade) *AND* that you don't have a laminar airflow over the whole blade *AND* that the blades not only are driven by the engine but also by the airflow through the blades (ie if you have low collective pitch and a ..define through the blades. ;o) http://home.att.net/~dannysoar2/Whirlygig.htm fast descend the airflow can! increase rotor-rpm) *AND* there are flight-envelopes where you have increasing vortex with blade-stall in the center of the bladepart (vortex state, settling with power) *AND* you have the situation where a*part* of the blade is stalling (center) and a *part* of the rotor-blade is driven by the airflow (middle) and the *other part* of the rotorblade is giving lift (outside) and that these zones differ from the position of the blades (movement against air or retreating blade) *AND* you may have blade-stall of the retreating blade if relative airflow is to low (forward-speed or heavy gust) *AND* ... much more :-) THEN YOU WILL EASILY SEE that it is very difficult to calculate the resulting forces an the rotorhead (and the appending helicopter, of course). For the EC135 flightsim they have one medium workstation only to calculate the blade aerodynamics - and this from predefined tabels!!! :-) *** We won't speak of rotorblade aerodynamic alone when it comes to helicopter aerodynamics ***
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:56:14 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * MPCEE French Bureau -- Friday 28 October 2005 11:31: Frankly, I was following the Knoppix instructions and, yes it talks about Nero etc. I downloaded Nero, but it timed out very quickly, thus no good for long downloads, [...] Frankly, I don't have the slightest clue why people here suggested that you download/burn/whatever Knoppix. This won't get you anywhere with your video card problem. ..diagnosis. There _is_ a wee chance one of his 3 laptops can do OpenGL in Knoppix, even if it won't do OpenGL in Wintendo. There's nothing on the Knoppix CD that will allow you to run FlightGear under Windows. ..you forget Wine. ;o) And in this case you should. ;o) There's no OpenGL driver for Windows on the CD! ..correct. The idea is chk if it is possible to run FG one of Martin's 3 laptops in Knoppix. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:15:59 -0500, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let me try to say this as clearly and simply as possible. You need 3d accelerated video hardware to run FlightGear smoothly. ..correct. The idea is find out _if_ he has any viable hardware. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:04:44 +0200, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..try not to complicate things, as you burn a Knoppix CD, it either works, or it doesn't. Period. ;o) Having read about Knoppix, Bit Torrent and burning to a CD, I know, in theory, that it is possible to boot the laptop, with necessary changing to the BIOS, if necessary, to run the PC with FG on it without Windows running!!! ... As with any new software, that one is cautious about, especially if it is changing the function of a computer, as I know it, that I posed the questions. I am back home on Sunday for the All Saints holiday, so I will be trying to burn Knoppix on to a CD, if my questions are answered. ..worst case scenario is you have to try trial and error, on that iso image file. It will either boot, or not. Period. ..you wanna first download the CD iso image file, and then use a free common CD burner program to burn it. Chances are it will recognise the iso file and suggest a way to burn it. Try that way first, some of these burner programmers knows a few things about CD burning. Soon afterwards I will inform the Forum if it works and I can run FG on the laptop as described. I am sure that there are others who would be keen to know if it is possible. .. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:28:43 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * MPCEE French Bureau -- Friday 28 October 2005 20:04: I am back home on Sunday for the All Saints holiday, so I will be trying to burn Knoppix on to a CD, [...] Good luck! If it doesn't work, you can still download a more complete Linux distribution (for free) that is easier to install, has re-partition tools and even FlightGear included. But still it wouldn't necessarily support your 3D hardware. :-/ ..the whole point with running Martin thru the Knoppix exercise, is find out _whether_ he has any viable video hardware. ..these days, Knoppix only needs the same apt-get cli job as Debian. FG is ofcourse lost on reboots, when installed into a Live-CD Union-fs. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Helicopters in Flight Gear
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:03:10 -0700, Dan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm in heads-down mode for a 3d animation software startup, so I'm loathe to commit to writing code (and totally understand the unwillingness to commit to a free project, ..free in n the GPL kinda way is why Microsoft is running scared throwing millions to people like Ralph Yarro and Darl McBride for litigating us, details at http://groklaw.net/ . ..now, free in the bsd or public domain kinda way I agree is a complete waste of time and work, not only because anyone including Microsoft is free to put (y)our code in their own proprietary closed source code, they can even bleed you dry thru litigation. ..really,your best shot on keeping your business out of harms way, is the GPL. Google, or chk from Groklaw. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Update on a Previous Question
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:41:31 +0200, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: Thanks for following up for me. I am becoming to understand what this all about now, but need to ensure I fully understand what you have said. ..we've been mailing offline, Martin will be posting the filling-in-the-blanks anytime now. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenGL/Windows Knoppix
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:45:24 +0100, Richard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Knoppix will let you test whether the graphics card in the laptop will work with OpenGL and Flightgear. Unfortunately, it will not fix it in any way that makes it work better in Windows. ..this depends on the card and on the Wintendo version, some cards do work better on GNU/Linux. That said, yes, you can download Knoppix yourself, you do not have to buy the CD. Any recent release will probably tell you what you need to know. There used to be a Flightgear specific bootable CD, but I don't think it has been kept up to date recently (apologies if it has, please speak up if you know different). I use an old version (4) of EasyCD to burn ISO images when in Windows, because it works. I suppose that Nero can do it as well but I have never tried. Whatever software you use, make sure that you burn the ISO file as an image file, and don't just put it on the CD as a regular file. If you say what CD burning software you use, I am sure that someone on the list will know how to make it work properly. ..a little more detali here would be helpful, I dumped Wintendo looong before I got CD burners, so I dunno how it's done in that system. You may need to change a setting in the BIOS to make the PC try to boot from the CD before the HD, otherwise you will still get Windows. This is harmless, because if there is no CD it tries the HD next. It may already be set because Windows 2K and XP come on bootable CDs for easy installation. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Update on a Previous Question
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:07:24 +0200, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arnt: An interesting response you have given, Firstly, the 3 old computers are not old, as they function in an office environment undertaking work and they are not, just yet, being made redundant. However, having said that and reading your response, will the computers still be functional in what they are doing, if I were to make the changes as you have suggested? ..with Knoppix, you don't _change_ anything. (Except possibly in BIOS, to boot the CD.) You boot and run everything from the CD. It sounds as if it is just the alteration to access OpenGL, thus the computer will not be altered and all the programmes already installed will be safe!!! ..correct. A lot of people use Knoppix to fix their Wintendos. ;o) Just need assurance I think that I do not lose a valuable work tool, but look forward to having pleasure when I am on my travels with FG. ..if you wanna be really, really, really paranoid, try knoppix noswap, that leaves your swap file alone the way the cops do when they look into it checking it for child porn surf traces etc. ;o) ..to _change_anything_, you will have to try install it. Thanks. Martin -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 6:02 AM To: FlightGear user discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Update on a Previous Question On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:40:00 +0200, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Andy: Thank you for spelling out the differences in plain language. Certainly it does make one think on what is actually being purchased. The spec for the Tecra M1 and what it is used for, professionally, was cost effective as a communications tool. Slightly higher in price than some, but it is the task that had to be dealt with, not the games function. I have looked at ATIs website for the other two laptops, after running an update for their respective drivers; both were up-to-date, yet no help. As Sid has mentioned, manufacturers are not going to blow their trumpets over OpenGL etc. However, we purchase from specialised dealers and now one should be able to pose the right questions to include OpenGL. ..if you're running out of ideas, try get 'n burn 'n boot a knoppix CD on your 3 laptops, you want the english 4.0.2, follow Download link from: http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ..you only need one of your 3 old laptops, and it may be supported under GNU/Linux even if Microsoft has no OpenGL drivers. About 3 weeks ago, I saw a post on Groklaw.net of Microsoft having adopted a strategy or market policy on not supporting OpenGL. ..to do a CD boot, you will have push a button, usually Esc or Del or F1 or F2 or F10 etc, YMVV. Enter the menu, find the boot disk menu, and select the CD (or DVD, YMMV) as the boot disk. ..on CD bootup, just follow the advice given, once booted up, hit the penguin menu button beside the K menu button, select Root Shell. ..in the cli/xterm/DOS Window, first type glxinfo (NOT GLXINFO!). This command will mention direct rendering: Yes or No. If Yes, we're done, apt-get update ;apt-get install fgfs will advice if it needs anything (such as an install mirror, I believe ftp.de.debian.org will serve you just fine, I use it to update my own install mirror). ..in the latter case No, we will need the output of lspci , dmesg and lsmod posted here, to advice further, some video cards need clue whacks and Nvidea even closed source drivers to do OpenGL. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Update on a Previous Question
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:40:00 +0200, MPCEE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Andy: Thank you for spelling out the differences in plain language. Certainly it does make one think on what is actually being purchased. The spec for the Tecra M1 and what it is used for, professionally, was cost effective as a communications tool. Slightly higher in price than some, but it is the task that had to be dealt with, not the games function. I have looked at ATI�s website for the other two laptops, after running an update for their respective drivers; both were up-to-date, yet no help. As Sid has mentioned, manufacturers are not going to blow their trumpets over OpenGL etc. However, we purchase from specialised dealers and now one should be able to pose the right questions to include OpenGL. ..if you're running out of ideas, try get 'n burn 'n boot a knoppix CD on your 3 laptops, you want the english 4.0.2, follow Download link from: http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ..you only need one of your 3 old laptops, and it may be supported under GNU/Linux even if Microsoft has no OpenGL drivers. About 3 weeks ago, I saw a post on Groklaw.net of Microsoft having adopted a strategy or market policy on not supporting OpenGL. ..to do a CD boot, you will have push a button, usually Esc or Del or F1 or F2 or F10 etc, YMVV. Enter the menu, find the boot disk menu, and select the CD (or DVD, YMMV) as the boot disk. ..on CD bootup, just follow the advice given, once booted up, hit the penguin menu button beside the K menu button, select Root Shell. ..in the cli/xterm/DOS Window, first type glxinfo (NOT GLXINFO!). This command will mention direct rendering: Yes or No. If Yes, we're done, apt-get update ;apt-get install fgfs will advice if it needs anything (such as an install mirror, I believe ftp.de.debian.org will serve you just fine, I use it to update my own install mirror). ..in the latter case No, we will need the output of lspci , dmesg and lsmod posted here, to advice further, some video cards need clue whacks and Nvidea even closed source drivers to do OpenGL. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial - Flight between 2 airports
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:25 +0930, George wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 23:21 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:30:54 +0200, Buchanan, Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made an effort to make the HTML as simple as possible so it would print OK, but looking at Print Preview on my browser, ..don't. ..use: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ or http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ and http://validator.w3.org/ http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ http://validator.w3.org/checklink/ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Aircraft crashes unexpectedly
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:59:43 +0930, George wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 18:54 +1300, Dene Maxwell wrote: wow...lotsa suggestions Running FG 0.9.8 unfortunately running it on my partners PC and she gets all anti when I download anything new (blames my downloads for win98me's flakey performance). I am anticipating some money soon and intend getting a Dell Dimension 9100, Intel Pentium 4 Processor 630 with HT technology (3Ghz), 128Mbyte ATI radeon x300SE hypermemory graphics, 250Gbyte HDD, 1024MB SDRAM, XP Home edition. ..kick out Wintendo, spend the money on an extra Gig or three of ram. This might leave me enough to get a yoke/pedal set from the 'States at approx $US500 ( $NZ700). I would like to try dual boot with Linux on this set up. Just to give something back in the way of a good laugh what are my chances of running FG 0.9.8 on a P1 166Mhz with a S3 Trio64V+ PCI (765) (1Mbyte) with 100MB DRAM? ..100MB? 96+4???Use that box as a firewall: http://ipcop.org/ ..or, if you go for Debian Sarge Linux, use your old box as a scenery _etc_ server. The S3 isn't OpenGL compliant (AFAIK) to begin with. :-) When y'all stop laughing I do expect comments along the lines of a snowball has better chances in HELL!!! Hmmm, I don't think that anyone a has modelled snowballs for flightgear. Also where can we get a METAR for hell from? :-D Sorry to be flippant but I couldn't resist. ..uhuh. Don't _ever_ ask for snow balls etc unless you really really want them, because somebody might actually act on doing them. ;o) You might want to consider compiling fg_server and see how it runs on that machine though. George Patterson -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Aircraft crashes unexpectedly
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:49:52 +0930, George wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 22:15 +1300, Dene Maxwell wrote: Just an observation that may be of interest; I can fly approx 1500Nm over water at 300kts and not have a problem... reasonable graphics and even land successfully (any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!!!). I can't fly approx 400Nm at 300kts over land without the aircraft crashing about 300Nm into the flight. Some background NZWN (Wellington International,NZ) to YSSY (Sydney-Kingsford-Smith, Australia) 1484NM in a A10 Thunderbolt at 300kts cruise... flight goes great. YSSY (Sydney- Kingsford-Smith, Australia to YBBN (Brisbane International, Australia) 410NM in either an A10 Thunderbolt at 300kts or Cessna 310 twin prop at 180kts crashes at about the 300NM mark. Interestingly I can fly the A10 from YSSY out to sea, then due north to parallel to YBBN then line up for a landing no problems, total trip is about 500NM. The problem seems to be triggered by flying over land for a prolonged period. In all cases the majority of the flight is undertaken under AutoPilot control at variably 5,000 to 10,000 ft ASL. I have tried reducing the screen resolution from 1280x1024 to 800x600 but it makes no difference. The platform is a 1.8Ghz P4, Windows Me, 256M RAM, nVidia GeForce2 MX/MX400 video card (32Mbyte). ..this below assumes you _are _ on FG-0.9.8. ..your box is good enough to run a Knoppix Live CD Linux on, to check and verify your findings: http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html Just pick a mirror and follow the advice given in the Knoppix and Debian sites, you only need the CD, the DVD just adds another coupla Gigs of neat stuff. ;o) ..install flightgear into the live cd (or dvd) system, and fly those same routes, it'll download whatever it needs as you run it. ..then wipe out the downloaded scenery files, and mount -v /mnt/hda1 and find your current scenery files and link those to the same place you wiped out the downloaded scenery files, with this 2 line command: ln -sv /mnt/hda1/FlightGear/Scenery/ \ /usr/share/games/FlightGear/Scenery/ and re-fly the crash trips. You didn't say which version of FlightGear you are using. Using Flightgear CVS, I flew from NZWN to YSSY as you suggested and apart from noting a missing tile (known bug usually due to an airport lying across a tile boundary) I didn't have any problems. YSSY to YBBN: I started flown this route and 300nm out from YBBN , I'm still flying. 300nm from YSSY, still here... Preparing to land at YBBN... Not the best landing but still down in one piece. A couple of possibilities The mostly likely cause is that you have found a bug in 0.9.8. FlightGear 0.9.8 has a few major bugs here and there. Solution: You can either upgrade to CVS (a tricky task under windows which involved installing cygwin) or wait for version 0.9.9. The other (albeit unlikely) possible is that it is something in your hardware or software set up. Could someone with similar hardware and OS comment on this cross country flight? My hardware doesn't match what Dene is using. (I am still thinking that the problem was to do with a 0.9.8 bug) ..and it could be a Wintendo bug, so lets chk out what we _can_ chk out, FlightGear and scenery files. We have md5sums for whatever FG Dene has? _Could_ be his FG install has been tampered with. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial - Flight between 2 airports
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:39:24 +0100 (BST), Buchanan, wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would it be worth adding it to the CVS? I'm quite happy to GFDL it, but one of the images includes a grab from a sectional. ..precisely how does it include a grab from a sectional? I did a sqve of a jpg on the aeroplanner.com website. A bit naughty, but I couldn't remember the address of avationtoobox.org. ..booo, try http://aviationtoolbox.org/ ;o) Now someone has pointed me back at it I'll re-do the shot. BTW, the naco website explicitly says that the sectionals aren't copyright, so I think we're OK including them in the docs. .. ;o) It might be worth including the VFR terminal chart for San Fransisco either a part of the distribution, or linked from the main website - it certainly would make it easier for new people to navigate around the default scenery. Regards -Stuart -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Two simple questions offered
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:24:56 +0200, Gerard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le dimanche 16 octobre 2005 à 17:49 +0200, MPCEE French Bureau a écrit : HelloGerard: As I use Windows, can you explain where this text goes, to get what you are telling me? Retired now, I used to fly from rolling decks in the 1960’s! Hunters I know very well, as with Gannets and Phantoms, which are not, as yet, in our hangar! After numerous flights in Concorde, during the 1980’s, I look forward to land them on a carrier, in simulation for fun!!! Thanks Martin Working with Linux i am unable to give some right technicals answers to Windows user, and you are one of them. I was talking about the existing Flightgear development tree which need to be build by the user himself .I don't know any recent built release. You must have every Windows development tools which are necessary to do it. May be a Windows specialist which is listenning could help you. ..another alternative is http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ;o) Happy to be in touch with you, and thanks for your interest on Flighgear. Your experience will be profitable for us. ..possibly that too, ;o) certainly valuable and much appreciated. :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial - Flight between 2 airports
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:17:11 -0700, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gerard ROBIN wrote: I do not use paper, and under Linux ( i don't know for windows ) pdf documents are unreadable ( an example is JSBSim quartely news letters) with multicolumn and graphics. It is necessary to print it. Er, huh? What problems are you having with PDF documents? They certainly seem readable under linux to me... ..I do see _some_ pdf's that tries to sell me Adobe or Wintendo. ;o) ..I _rarely_ see those pdf's not work in _any_ pdf reader. ;o) Try man -k pdf off your cli, xpdf, gv, ggv, kpdf usually works. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] flight contols
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:43:18 +0200, Roos, wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, after take-off any aircraft I use banks to the left (except the Beech1900.) ..weird. It too should bank left, (or does it play the P-38 kinda games turning its 2 props both ways to cancel the torque?) Adjusting my .fgfsrc does not change this. Anyone who knows how to correct this? This is not like the normal behaviour (right rudder when applying power). When using the rudder the AC just start to 'slip' (nose right/left yaw.) ..it _is_ correct, planes with clockwise turning propellers do bank and weer left on takeoff, so they need right rudder. Those Brit etc planes with props turning the wrong way, goes right and needs left rudder. The problem with the sim is that I am unable to control it, neither with rudder or ailerons. ..try it without the joystick, on the numeric keypad, chk the docs for which keys to use for rudder control. Trim it at say 75% pwr cruise speed to fly in a straight line. I'm runnng on suse linux with a microsoft sidewinder precision pro wichis fully supported. Adjusting with the .fgfsrc-file make no difference. ..the joystick _is_ working ok? You need to calibrate it. Read the how2's: /usr/share/doc/flightgear/README.fgjs /usr/share/games/FlightGear/Docs/README.Joystick.html /usr/share/games/FlightGear/Docs/README.fgjs , Wintendo should drop in these files too, on installing. The AC does not crash, with a lot of work it wil stay in the air. I think that it is a calibration problem. Besides the roll also all ac are very difficult to fly (incuding the Beech 1900). The controls are more or less irresponsive unless I use very small correction. When using larger deflections of the controls the response is a full nose-up or nose-down (fll left/right rudder). Any ideas on how to correct this? ..correctly calibrated, your joystick keeps your correctly trimmed cruising plane, flying in the same straight line when you push the joystick plug in or pull it out. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial - Flight between 2 airports
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:03:05 +0100 (BST), Buchanan, wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That looks really excellent! Finally we have two cohesive tutorials to point complete flying newbies to that are written with FG in mind (there are a reasonable number of these folk turn up on the IRC channel now and again) Thanks. Hope it will be of use. It's difficult to decide who to pitch such a tutorial at, but I figured that group might be big enough and a tutorial would make a difference. Could we have both these tutorials hosted on the FG website? In the meantime, you could add it pretty easily to the FG wiki too - either link to it or just upload the lot. Not sure it's required, but might not be a bad idea. There is now a tar-ball of it here: http://www.nanjika.co.uk/flightgear/tutorial.tar.gz Would it be worth adding it to the CVS? I'm quite happy to GFDL it, but one of the images includes a grab from a sectional. ..precisely how does it include a grab from a sectional? Interestingly, the San Franisco VFR Terminal Area Chart I have doesn't include any Copyright statement I can find. Does anyone know any reason why this might be the case ? Are sectionals/terminal area charts not copyrighted? BTW on the back of the chart is a interesting diagram of recommended VFR routes to avoid the Class B/C airspace. It makes for a nice tour of the bay area, taking in most of the custom scenery in the area. Maybe that could be the basis of another tutorial - covering airspace, and VOR navigation. -Stuart I tried adding it to the seed-wiki, but failed ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Tutorial - Flight between 2 airports
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:11:45 +0100, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Buchanan, Stuart writes: Would it be worth adding it to the CVS? I'm quite happy to GFDL it, but one of the images includes a grab from a sectional. ..precisely how does it include a grab from a sectional? Interestingly, the San Franisco VFR Terminal Area Chart I have doesn't include any Copyright statement I can find. Does anyone know any reason why this might be the case ? Are sectionals/terminal area charts not copyrighted? I believe that US sectionals are freely redistributable, although you should check properly of course! Take a look at http://aviationtoolbox.org/ - he has all the US sectionals and terminal area charts avaiable for download, I believe legally. Sectionals from almost any other country are very unlikely to have such favourable redistribution terms :-( ..yeah, but Stuart's shot just looks like a grab, if it is, it might still fall under the fair use clause, if it sin't, Stuart may still have shot it GNU Free. ;o) ..often, they just wanna protect their own data, or their own renderings of the same data. So we just chk the paperwork and comply to it all. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Appealing to MS Windows community
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:18:43 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: The real question is: whether appealing to MS Windows community will benifit FlightGear? In my opinion, this is definately a yes. Just imagine all those MSFS users who have created scenery, aircrafts, etc. putting their effort into FlightGear instead. FlightGear's development would move at a much quicker pace than we do right now. ..this assumes all those MSFS users who have created scenery, aircrafts etc, _still_ owns the copyright to their own work, _and_, are free to re-use it whereever they please, _and_, under whichever license they please. ..I dunno MSFS licensing, but if it's like Microsoft's other schemes, reusing stuff that's also is MSFS will be waaay dodgy, because of their litigation funds, so we might find ourselves somewhere between scaring these ex-MSFS comtributors into writing brand new for FG, to shooing them off from even using FG at all. ..even if you _are_ squeaky clean and in the clear and will win in the end, litigation against Microsoft, is _expensive_. http://groklaw.net/ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:28:25 -0400, Ed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If Flightgear plans to draw a large audience ..precisely. If. ;o) (and I think it is worthy of it), the Flightgear community HAS TO REALIZE that they MUST appeal to the MS-Windows community. That's just ..bull. You are welcome to compare the merits of what you have experienced with Wintendo, with what you learn with FlightGear. ;o) the facts ... it's not an opinion, it's not an us versus them scenario. It's just what it is. There's no denying it. ..this sounds more like some MSFS folks bracing themselves for the Horrors of Capitalism, like in Competition on Tech etc Merits. ;o) Bring it on! ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] 1900D New files
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:16:20 +1200, T wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When will the new 1900D files be posted (the one with GPS?) Please can you create a sub link to CVS like last time you sent the updated files for the 1900D so I can retrieve them when the files become avaliable. ..quickest way is subscribe to the cvs log mailing list, it'll tell you much of this automagically, simply browse the web interface to compare with the cvs log mail list news, to find the links you want. Also consider lurking on developers for cvs context. Yes, this approach too, takes a wee bit of effort on your part. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] adding new aircraft
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:12:43 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: but I am still trying to figure out where to enter the command. ..' fgfs --help |less ', if you don't have 'less', try 'more', is more cluncky. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] licensing question
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:54:42 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every once in a while I work on a small project where it could be important to get it widely accepted. In such case BSD the the license of choice. ..this used to be a wise advice in pretty much the same sense it was wise to remain calm and keep quiet aboard any hijacked airliner. ..nowadays we have Microsoft patenting all kindsa trivialities, and the BSD's allows them the use and redistribution and modification of your code, and without access to source, how do you keep track of who owns what mod, and how do you avoid being denied the use or right to distribute your code under any BSD license in the current software patent happy regime? (Yeah, its a retorical question. ;o) ) ..so even in this case, I find the GPL, a better choise. boom. But in the end it's up to everybody to decide for their own. .. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] (OT) Google map fun
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:38:21 -0700, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That URL looks odd (the ' is not a valid character), so it's not clickable in my mail client. This is one generated from the link to this page feature, which is smaller and works a little better: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.126290,-121.432775spn=0.007037,0.010631t=khl=en Great find, by the way. :) ..if you get fed up with Google whining about your browser: ;o) http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.126290,-121.432775spn=0.007037,0.010631t=khl=enfc=1 ..just append fc=1 to any maps.google link. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] licensing question
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:12:04 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Josh Babcock wrote: It doesn't really seem to make sense to release aircraft under the GPL as they aren't really source code. If an aircraft were released under the Creative Commons license, would it be compatible enough to be part of the base package? Or does GPL work fine? GPL works fine, since the configuration files (and the AC3D files) are human readable. If you decide to release your own models under a less restrictive (say BSD) license there is no problem though. ..before considering any license other than the GPL, evaluate your other license against the GPL to see which one provides the best legal protection of your work. ;o) ..chk Groklaw.net to see the GPL and copyright law at work ;o), fsf.org for theory and philosophy etc behind the GPL scheme. ..you will want your new shiny license to beat the rather powerful and litigationproof slam-dunk kinda protection scheme that the GPL and copyright law provides. ;o) ..yes, those fancy lenghty 7 course meals provides a fancy way of playing with food. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FG 0.9.8.a - runtime error on win 2K
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:26:46 +, Giles wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Outlook bashing is fun. Unfortunately, for those of us made to use Exchange servers while running Windows on client machines, there can often be no alternative (Until Evolution ports to Windows). ..huh? Look for _competent_ employment. Firms running Wintendo warez, suffers a considerable handicap for their failure to train and equip staff properly. Shows up in their books too, as license fees, downtime, support call costs, extra support staff costs etc. ..over time, these profit losses will force some firm desicions on some firms. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Win2K Video Driver [Was runtime error on win 2K]
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:39:49 -0500, C wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 7/12/05, Denise Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, Can you recommend a working video driver from your experience ? Denise Hi Denise, If you had given your system or video card specs in a previous e-mail I think it got lost in the HTML :) ..guess what you forgot to turn off, Chris? ;o) Can you send me your system specs? I'll see what I can find for you. Chris Ridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: the nimitz_demo HOW??
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:35:32 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Josh Babcock George Patterson wrote: This was discussed before, it would leave the carrier going downwind about half the time or more. In the real world the lack of headwind would prevent operations. That's why carriers have such big engines, it's not to get places fast. It's to make wind. Even though, a sufficient tailwind can reduce the relative wind to the point where air ops are dangerous. 25 kts wind over the deck is usual for launch and recovery. Axial for launch, down the angle for recovery. Following a 'flight' plan is a good option. Carriers often operate in that way in real life. We also need to add the capability of making the carrier turn to a launch or recovery course relative to the local wind. I did some work on this, but it rapidly went too difficult. I must revisit it. ..and we can have the carrier(s) orbit thunderstorms to get constant 25 kts winds with and without gusts etc. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Re: Re: the --jpg-httpd option
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:02:07 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..to make formation flight realistic, we also need to model downwash and wing tip vortices. Meanwhile, have fun and join in developing it. ;o) Jetwash too. From what I understand, that can really ruin a nice formation. Oh, you seem to be experts. I can imagine what effect jetwash has (fast hot air surrounded by stagnant cold air). But what consequence do wing tip vortices have to the aircraft? Does it mean to have more aerodynamic resistance at a specific amount of speed? ..this is part of the basics that you read up on before you waste time on things the games people would call bugs because they don't know how to sim propeller torque, wing tip vortices, downwash etc. ;o) http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/guided.htm -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] heck of a landing
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:48:27 -0400, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?id=42576sectionId=45 ..how do we know that Gooniebird didn't blow up to cover up becoming a chopper in the last few seconds of its life? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: the --jpg-httpd option
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:38:46 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've another question about flightgear. I'm playing it with my roomate in multiplayer mode and we are currently trying to fly some formation. But with the faster aircrafts (f16, YF-23) we sometimes lose each other and it takes a long time to get together again. So I would like to know if there is a onboard radar on the aircrafts? Not yet for MultiPlayer aircraft. When this code has been ported to use AIModels we will get it for free though. Erik ..to make formation flight realistic, we also need to model downwash and wing tip vortices. Meanwhile, have fun and join in developing it. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: the --jpg-httpd option
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:36:10 -0400, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:38:46 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've another question about flightgear. I'm playing it with my roomate in multiplayer mode and we are currently trying to fly some formation. But with the faster aircrafts (f16, YF-23) we sometimes lose each other and it takes a long time to get together again. So I would like to know if there is a onboard radar on the aircrafts? Not yet for MultiPlayer aircraft. When this code has been ported to use AIModels we will get it for free though. Erik ..to make formation flight realistic, we also need to model downwash and wing tip vortices. Meanwhile, have fun and join in developing it. ;o) Jetwash too. From what I understand, that can really ruin a nice formation. ..planes too. ;o) Another idiot stunt to avoid, is take the quickie shortcut across the runway after a 737 T/O, we broke nothing and successfully blamed the wee bruises on other bootschool stunts. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] (OT) A.C.E.S. flight sim
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:49:30 -0500, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dave Culp wrote: Has anybody here visited one of these places?: http://www.flyaces.com/ I just passed by one store at the Mall of America (after closing time), and was curious what software they use. ..in 2 years, FG? ;o) The graphics are fine, but nothing spectactular by today's standards. I think they use elumins dome displays for their out-the-window view. ..elumens.com. 2 models can do 2056x1536, most are 1400x1050. http://www.elumens.com/products/visionstation.html http://www.elumens.com/products/visiondome.html http://www.elumens.com/technology/downloadable.html It's a pretty neat setup actually once you add the cockpit, the flight suit, the immersive visuals, a bit of motion, etc. ..and like a pretty business: ;o) http://www.flyaces.com/faqs.html ..for more: ;o) http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=elumens+%22dome+display%22btnG=Search -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] SimGear-0.3.8 Compilation Errors
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:31:14 +0200, Frederic wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: zied bennour a crit : There is a conflict between Win32 opengl and X11 opengl. Under cygwin, you must uninstall all X11 modules first. -Fred Thanks Fred. Please can you tell me how can I uninstall X11 modules under Cygwin...I'm really not familiar with this. Restart the cygwin installer, locate the X11 modules ( those with names beginning with XFree86 or xorg ) and click on the version number until it shows 'Uninstall'. Then click on Next and proceed just like on this screenshot : http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/cygwin.jpg ..??? We no longer need plib??? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Photo-realistic scenery
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:48:35 +0200, Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Kevin FlightGear doesn't really support photo-realistic scenery. It can do it over VERY small areas but not large areas. The scenery engine cannot do the texture paging required for photo scenery over large areas - it will try to ram everything in sight into the video ram so if your video card has a few GB of VRAM you may just manage. ..how big an area can be done with 32, 64 128, 256MB VRAM? Guesstimates will do fine for now, I'd like to hear from those of you guys who has run the San Diego photo scenery; which video cards, which FG version, etc. I'm not sure what tools were used to generate the scenery but they are probably hiding somewhere in the TerraGear source code tree. Unless you plan to rewrite the FG scenery engine forget about having ever seen the photo scenery. ..has anyone run the San Diego photo scenery on FG 0.9.8? Paul On Tuesday, 26 April 2005 13:16, Kevin Jones wrote: Hi, Having looked at the FlightGear screenshots it looks as if FGFS supports photo-realistic scenery. Is this feature installed as part of the default (Windows) installation? If so then how do I enable this feature and which airports have suitable scenery files? If the feature isn't part of the default installation then are there any support packages on the net that I could try? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Photo-realistic scenery
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:05:39 -0700, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..how big an area can be done with 32, 64 128, 256MB VRAM? Guesstimates will do fine for now, I'd like to hear from those of you guys who has run the San Diego photo scenery; which video cards, which FG version, etc. A single 32bpp 4096x4096 texture requires 64MB of card memory. Mipmaps multiply that by 4/3, of course (but reduce the memory bandwidth used at render time, so you want these even though they cost memory). Add in all the other stuff that gets drawn and the framebuffer and you can probably just barely fit this on a 128MB card. At 2m per pixel, that's a 8km square area. A 256MB card might be able to get you 12x12km or so. ..ah, ok, that'll shoot down my KOSH scheeme, I guess I agree with Paul we need a rewrite of the FG scenery engine. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: SUSE RPM of current FGFS?
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:19:50 -0400, Jeff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Daniel, I know it's not quite what you were asking for but I just compiled FG 9.8 on my Suse 9.2 box yesterday. I've got a tutorial here: http://www.static-lift.net/aero-club/ . It's not a terribly difficult operation. AFAIK there are no current Suse RPMs of FG available. ..huh? It sez RAM 256KB? You either meant 256MB, or, you pulled some impossible guru type woodoo stunt on us. ;o) --jeff -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] SUSE RPM of current FGFS?
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:07:47 +0200, Daniel wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi. I've been searching high and low for a couple of days now, but without any luck. Does anybody have a SUSE (preferable 9.2) RPM of the current FlightGear version? The Suse distribution itself is at 0.9.3-89 (on Suse 9.2) and 0.9.3-91 (on Suse 9.3). I enjoy FlightGear, but I would like to be using the most recent version (I'm dying to try out the more detailed terrain and objects models, e.g. of London) and I'd rather not compile it myself. ..you can build it yourself from the source (or cvs) tarball, AFAIR from RH7.3 it was 'rpm --ta tarballname.tar.gz', from RH9, it was 'rpmbuild --ta tarballname.tar.gz', Suse does something similar, try 'rpmbuild --help' and then 'rpm --help'. ..'tar --help |less' is quite handy if you wanna change anything, there are a few subtle between Suse, Red Hat (and Fedora) that might trip up your build if Suse's build has fallen too far off their radar. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] World Wind as moving map display
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:16:13 +0200, Roy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all! I've whipped together a python script that reads position from FlightGear and instructs World Wind to goto that position. A couple of screenshots show just how accurately the FlightGear scenery and the World Wind images correspond. http://82.164.122.241/~royvegard/ I stripped down the playback.xml generic protocol into a new one called ww.xml. The new one only outputs position and orientation. FlightGear ran on a linux box sending the data to a winXP box with World Wind and my simple python socket reader running. ..hey, hang on a sec here, you're competing _against_ GPL http://earth3d.org/ (http://earth3d.org/faq.html) and favoring Wintendo-only http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ !!! ;o) ..the best part here is we can use this scheme making our next generation scenery, a photorealistic one. ;o) Now... where is that aeronautical chart overlay plugin for World Wind?! ..highlights off 'gg:flight World Wind GPL': http://www.google.com/search?num=100q=flight+%22World+Wind%22+GPLbtnG=Search http://mappinghacks.com/software.shtml and http://mappinghacks.com/index.cgi/qpsycho (and http://opensourcegis.org/ ) http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/index.html http://www.maptools.org/fgs/index.phtml?page=docs.html http://www.maptools.org/fgs/ Data source: http://www.freegis.org/database/?cat=1_ZopeId=33216265A1ymbCrjpjM http://www.freegis.org/database/?cat=53_ZopeId=33216265A1ymbCrjpjM Cities can be done off http://mappinghacks.com/data/ too. ..I have one too; at 85MB, this aint what I'd call a plugin, but is it GPL'ed??? Thin is the flight planner plugin for XPlane: http://www.xpgoodway.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloaddetailslid=112ttitle=GoodWay_3.1.0_Linux And if it _is_ GPL, where is the source code URL??? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Gliding/Soaring in FG
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:40:25 -0700 (PDT), Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Speaking of the tow plane, I don't know if any of you have played around with X-Plane, but it has an incredibly strong tow plane, it can haul a B52 off the runway, dangling from the slow (and suprisingly powerful :-) tow plane! ..any chance of a wee movie? ;o) (Can be made from screen dumps.) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Radeon 7000 configuration
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:46:39 -0600, Ralph wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the segfault problem is related to the force feedback driver that gets loaded when that stick is plugged in. However, this segment from the dmesg output indicates that the acceleration problem is only partly solved: : no IPv6 routers present pnp: Device 00:02 activated. parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). lp0: console ready ACPI: PCI interrupt :01:00.0[A] - GSI 11 (level, low) - IRQ 11 [drm] Initialized radeon 1.11.0 20020828 on minor 0: agpgart: Found an AGP 3.5 compliant device at :00:00.0. agpgart: Device is in legacy mode, falling back to 2.x agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at :00:00.0 into 1x mode agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at :01:00.0 into 1x mode usb 5-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 Force feedback driver for PID devices by Rodrigo Damazio [EMAIL PROTECTED]. input: USB HID v1.00 Joystick [Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 Joystick] on usb-:00:10.3-2 ..WAG shot in the dark; this is an USB-2 device? Can it be set up as an USB-1.1 or lower device to defeat those segfaults? Would help diagnose what I suspect is a stick driver problem doing ugly things to X, at least it kicks down your agp slot speed, and all the way. ..other spasms to try, is shift around IRQ's, hardware and ideas. (Spasms are those last useless things dying critters ever try. ;o)) It appears that the AGP 4x Radeon card is running in AGP 2x or 1x mode. ..1x. I get that too, dropping from 8x, my agp-slot box is 5 years old, a 450MHz AMD K6-2 on an Epox MVP3G2, 384MB ram, video is an 128bit Sapphire Radeon 9250 w 128MB vram, changing the FG window size between 640x480 to about 1590x1150 has _no_ impact on the framerate, it's rock steady at 1-5 fps, depending on the texturing. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] How to Compile FG for a Debian Newbie
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:47:30 +0200, Jimmy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nick Coleman wrote: Hi All, I've just changed from many years of Mandrake to Debian Sarge. One thing I noticed when researching the move is lots of dire warnings about not polluting the filetree with non-Deb apps. I'm pretty familiar with compiling FG from source and CVS. Are there any special considerations I need to look out for when compiling FG for my Debian system? Things like PREFIX flags etc so that the binaries end up in the 'correct' place? (/usr/local is ok for anything non-Deb, yes?) Also, the current version of FG needs a newer version of plib than Sarge provides. What are the ramifications of installing both Deb plib and CVS plib at the same time? [just had a thought] Is there a way to build a deb package from a CVS source and install it using apt? That would get around the plib problem above. Sorry about the number of questions; this is my first install of a major non-Deb piece of software and I don't want to screw up the packaging system just yet. ;) Why don't you use apt-get install -t unstable fgfs-base ..that's not cvs, but do it anyway, and borrow the ideas from that set of packages to do your own package scripts. Also chk out the Debian Policy and developer resources, as those answers a lot of questions. Once you're done, you should be able to set up a _fully_ automatic FlightGear updater off cvs. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Radeon 7000 configuration
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:03:45 -0600, Ralph wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK, removing the fglrx driver caused the glxgears speed to increase to ~2100 fps. .. ;o) However, X11R6.8.2 still refuses to make. Here's a link to the make log: http://www.nomeking.com/World.log ..ok, you got 2100fps on glxgears, so you've got _some_ X running, ;o) now file a bug on the X guys and show us your FlightGear framerate. ..also, chk out rpmbuild --help, if you like to build your own rpms from source or cvs trees. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Radeon 7000 configuration
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:35:27 -0600, Ralph wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the quick reply. I downloaded and tried to install the latest and greatest Xorg, X11R6.8.2...it halted with some error messages during the make install but it appears to have installed the ..uhuh. Reinstall it. drivers, because the config GUI let me select the Radeon 7000 card and glxinfo now reports direct rendering on. However, glxgears still only runs at about 500 fps. ... Here are links to my log and config files: http://www.nomeking.com/boot.log ..this tells me you forgot to lose something I told you to lose. http://www.nomeking.com/xorg.conf ..looks ok. http://www.nomeking.com/Xorg.0.log ..these lines are caused by what? (==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xd000,0x400) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: Open failed drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: Open failed drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 6 drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:00.0 rj At 10:47 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:04:06 -0600, Ralph wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... I've downloaded and installed the Livna ati-fglrx driver, to no ..lose this, use X.org's radeon driver, has everything you need, set up X again and post a link to you /var/log/Xwhatever.log if you can't figure it out, these logs usually are pretty clear on what's wrong. effect, and haven't found much help on the Fedora fora. My xorg.conf and the output of glxinfo are below. Suggestions? Thanks... ..'lspci -v'? You may have to pull a few extra tricks if it is a PCI card on an AGP-slotted mobo or a mobo with integrated video. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Radeon 7000 configuration
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:04:06 -0600, Ralph wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just done a rebuild on my Linux box, with Fedora Core 3 and a Radeon 7000 video card. In trying to get it configured for FG, I've been unable to get the card to run accelerated. glxgears runs about 500 fps, and glxinfo reports direct rendering off. I've downloaded and installed the Livna ati-fglrx driver, to no ..lose this, use X.org's radeon driver, has everything you need, set up X again and post a link to you /var/log/Xwhatever.log if you can't figure it out, these logs usually are pretty clear on what's wrong. effect, and haven't found much help on the Fedora fora. My xorg.conf and the output of glxinfo are below. Suggestions? Thanks... ..'lspci -v'? You may have to pull a few extra tricks if it is a PCI card on an AGP-slotted mobo or a mobo with integrated video. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Network Control of FG
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:45:43 -0500, Eric wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 03:24:01PM -0500, Jeff McBride wrote: I am looking into the possibility of using FlightGear as a simulator to test flight control software that I am developing for a UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) project. The idea is that I will take control values (ailerons, throttle, etc) from the telemetry link and pass them to FG, then take the resulting location, speed, etc. from FG and pass it back to the UAV as if it were coming from the on-board GPS. Sorry for the delayed response, I just noticed this thread yesterday and wanted to talk to my employer before posting ... We have had a similar setup working in our lab for over six monthes. It is a hardware-in-the-loop simulation for testing our UAV hardware and adaptive autopilot. I am hoping to get a paper out in late Summer (at AIAA's [EMAIL PROTECTED]) which will cover the details. I'll provide an overview below. If anyone is interested in more details, let me know. From what I can tell, FG has support for this kind of thing, but no documentation of it. So, my question for the experts is what is the best way to do this? I was going to try to use the generic network interface, but as far as I can tell it doesn't support a bi-directional link. Perhaps I can run two of these (one in, one out), but is there a better way I should be looking at? There seem to be a lot of options. Our hardware, an embedded computer running Linux, interfaces with sensors and acuators via a serial port. We wrote a small briding application which reads the data from FlightGear using the native I/O (FGNetFDM and FGNetCtrls) and translates the data to the same format as produced by the sensors (i.e. the bridging application generates NMEA GPS packets). As mentioned in the thread, the code is setup to read all available data from the sockets and throw away all but the latest packet. Once everything is initialized, we can operate easily at 50Hz sending and receiving a single packet to FG within the timeslice. The controls packet contains quite a few fields and, in addition to the expected aileron, elevator, rudder, and throttle, a few others are required. I'd have to dig back through our code to see what we set if you are interested. All of the information you need to simulate your sensors should be in the FDM packet; be careful with the units. Of course, my next problem will be creating a model of the plane I am flying, but I am waiting until I get there to tackle that one. Creating the model was definately the hardest task. During initial testing, we used the models available in Flightgear, mainly the Cub, as it was one of the slowest flying airplanes. We have since developed a working JSBSim model of our R/C sized aircraft. We should have some flight test data in the next month which we will be able to compare to FlightGear to gauge how accurate our model is. Hope the information proved useful and as I mentioned above, if anyone is interested in additional details, please let me know. ..oh yeah, shoot! ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] capturing FlightGear graphics to a video file
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:53:40 -0800 (PST), Gavin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Does anyone know of a way to capture FlightGear graphics to a video file? Eventually, I would like to produce a file in MPEG format, but it would be fine if the video were initially captured in a different format. Thank you very much! ..tried ' fgfs --help --verbose |less ' ? Hint: --jpg-httpd=port Enable screen shot http server on the specified port -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Network Control of FG
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:46:11 -0500, Jeff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..which UAV, url? No url yet, but I can tell you it is my senior design project at Virginia Commonwealth University and it is for a AUVSI sponsored competition: http://www.bowheadsupport.com/paxweb/seafarers/default.htm ..this blows you away from the truth, as FG will not know the exact details of the weather your UAV flies in. Doing the opposite of what you propose, taking speed, altitude, etc and attitude data from the telemetry link, to FG and then have FG fly your UAV like an RC model plane, can be used to find the true weather. Etc. I was thinking something like my UAV could be sitting on the ground, but using FG to provide feedback, could think that it is flying. That way we can do a full system test without taking off. ..you basically want FG in the air and the UAV RC model on the ground on the same frequency so you can watch the rudders move. A can do thing, just tell your poor innocent UAV a ton of lies. ;o) Although, I also plan to do as you say and pass on the data from the plane to FG for visualization while it is flying or for mission replay. I'm not sure if this will provide any real usefulness, but I'm pretty sure it will look cool .. ;o) ..it also makes a starting point for an ATC get-outta-my-way traffic viewer and planning and maybe manouvering interface, to even warrant wooing funding from those worried .gov types. ;o) ..it's all in the source. ;o) And here, you will be pioneering and do a paper on this, right? ;o) Ahh yes. I have figured out a good bit so far, and Curt just pointed out the Readme.IO file that I somehow missed. ..ah! ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] ..ot, TexasAM.pdf on UAV's is 404?, was: Network Control of FG
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:46:11 -0500, Jeff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..which UAV, url? No url yet, but I can tell you it is my senior design project at Virginia Commonwealth University and it is for a AUVSI sponsored competition: http://www.bowheadsupport.com/paxweb/seafarers/default.htm ..http://www.bowheadsupport.com/paxweb/seafarers/papers/TexasAM.pdf buys me only 404 messages, all the other papers are there, is it gone or is there another W3-compliant name for it, or did I spot a locale bug? (dirty tricks done, even validator.w3.org, running low on ideas.) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Network Control of FG
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:24:01 -0500, Jeff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I am looking into the possibility of using FlightGear as a simulator to test flight control software that I am developing for a UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) project. ..which UAV, url? The idea is that I will take control values (ailerons, throttle, etc) from the telemetry link and pass them to FG, then take the resulting location, speed, etc. from FG and pass it back to the UAV as if it were coming from the on-board GPS. ..this blows you away from the truth, as FG will not know the exact details of the weather your UAV flies in. Doing the opposite of what you propose, taking speed, altitude, etc and attitude data from the telemetry link, to FG and then have FG fly your UAV like an RC model plane, can be used to find the true weather. Etc. From what I can tell, FG has support for this kind of thing, but no documentation of it. ..it's all in the source. ;o) And here, you will be pioneering and do a paper on this, right? ;o) So, my question for the experts is what is the best way to do this? I was going to try to use the generic network interface, but as far as I can tell it doesn't support a bi-directional link. Perhaps I can run two of these (one in, one out), but is there a better way I should be looking at? There seem to be a lot of options. .. ;o) Of course, my next problem will be creating a model of the plane I am flying, but I am waiting until I get there to tackle that one. ..for ideas, chk the back traffic here and in FG-devel for AI traffic, Nasal, script, autopilot, some of the guys here has played with scripts flying AI airline schedules, which isn't too far from being UAV mission scripts. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Nimitz
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:18:38 +0100, Roy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 22 March 2005 05:20, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:05:28 -0500, MCVAY wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks Mathias: I think I'm getting there. Could you just talk me through how to comment out the nimitz_demo scenerio. I found nimitz_demo, tried a few things with it, but it won't let me proceed any further. Thanks for your patience! Doug I think that Mathias meant to _un_ comment out the nimitz_demo scenario. It's already commented out, and you need to remove the comment tags in $FG_ROOT/preferences.xml ..anything behind a # is a comment. To comment it out, do Comments in xml start with a !-- and end with a -- , _not_ #. ..duh! I'm bash'ed! ;o) ..Doug, Roy's right, # is for scripts that start #!/bin/bash or somesuch on the first line, the 3'rd major commenitng character you need to look out for here, is // in the C and C++ source. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Nimitz
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:05:28 -0500, MCVAY wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks Mathias: I think I'm getting there. Could you just talk me through how to comment out the nimitz_demo scenerio. I found nimitz_demo, tried a few things with it, but it won't let me proceed any further. Thanks for your patience! Doug ..anything behind a # is a comment. To comment it out, do ..anything behind a # is a comment. To comment it out, do to expose the code to the hot wrath of the CPU. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear slow under Linux maximized window/ hardware upgrade recommendation
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:38:22 -0800, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Kees Lemmens wrote: ATI is a disaster : horrible installation procedure. ..I use an ATI 9250 (Sapphire's 128bit AGP w128 memory) on standard Debian Sid X86Free DRI code Note that the ATI 92x0 cards are based on the R200 ...R280, which I understand is a derated R200 variant. architecture (the Radeon 8500) and will work fine with the DRI drivers. People who prefer running free software drivers to high end cards will want to use these, as they're currently the best ones available under DRI. Any recent linux distribution will support them out of the box. Don't get a 9500 or X800 card, however, and expect it to work with DRI. ATI stopped handing out programming information on their cards after the R200. :( ..which is why they should be boycotted. ..go with Nvidea. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear slow under Linux maximized window/ hardware upgrade recommendation
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:46:44 -0600, Andrzej wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2. I run latest version of the FG on both Win 2K and Mandrake 10.0 (with Nvidia drivers of course). However I note very strange behavior under Linux. When the FG starts in the default window (I guess it is 640x480 or so), it performs quite well but when I try to resize/make bigger/maximize the window everything starts crawling. I do not observe it under Windows where it runs smoothly even under really high resolutions. I am not sure if it is due to the Linux and Windows use that 32MB of my poor GeForce differently or what? Any insight? First thx for all the replies. They helped me to narrow down the scope of the problem and I finally got the culprit. It turned out that under both Linux and Windows very low FPS were related to the 32-bit color. Once I changed it to 16-bit the improvement was dramatic. Also under Linux that trouble with resizing the FG window is gone now. Here are some other observations: -I pretty much do not see any correlation between window size and the FPS (unlike with some games) -CPU often hits 100%, but especially when I fly close to ground, it drops to even 60%, all rendering options are on -glxgears cranks around 12000 FPS (which is definitely higher than 32-bit colors) -I have got FG FPS from 60 to 90. Completely sufficient and some room for future. ..you cut your colors from 32bit to 16bit, ATI's cards are all 24bit, how are your 24bit framerates? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear slow under Linux maximized window/ hardware upgrade recommendation
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:32:20 +0100, Kees wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 14 March 2005 07:52, Andrzej Leszczynski wrote: Hi, 3. Last question, having in mind Linux as a target platform, ATI or Nvidia, which way to go? ATI is a disaster : horrible installation procedure. Nvidia on the other hand is superb : they did an excellent job and so their driver is probably the best (commercial) driver in the whole Linux world ;) (No, I'm not employed by Nvidia, just a happy user ;-) ..I use an ATI 9250 (Sapphire's 128bit AGP w128 memory) on standard Debian Sid X86Free DRI code, all I did was edit the driver line in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to use the radeon driver, and restart X: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/tmp/cK $ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |grep Driver Driver keyboard Driver mouse Driver mouse Driver mouse ### Available Driver options are:- # Driver ati Driver radeon Driver mouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/tmp/cK $ ..it is seen as an ATI 9200 PRO, if you have more recent cards than the 9250, DRI may still see it as a 9200PRO, but you will wanna consider compiling the newest X.org release or swap it for a Nvidea (or use ATI crappy proprietary drivers) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] in debian ssgInit called without a valid OpenGL context
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:54:02 +1100, Geoff wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jimmy Ott wrote: what? 192.168.2.222 i in private range AFAIK, sorry but this isn't a useful mirror at all. sorry, but that didn't help. so, you debian guys compiles your own x.org? sorry, i'm on debian sid and thought these packages are actual enough. but if that helps, i'll compile x.org by myself thanks Hi Jimmy, I saw this post on the linux.debian.user newsgroup under the subject Switching to X.org. Might be worth following the thread. I don't run x.org and don't have a Radeon so can't offer any advise about it. Good luck, Geoff On Monday 07 March 2005 18:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I get the x.org stuff -- and if possible a Debian package? I have a Radeon 9200c ..fwiw, I have DRI working ok (1xAGP* rather than 8x) on a 9250 (Sapphire Radeon 9250 128bit 128MiB ram), off _standard_ Debian Sid X86Free, which sees this an an ATI 9200 Pro. If your gard is significantly newer than 9200 Pro | 9250, you want X.org. ..*1xAGP is all a 5 yr old AMD K6-2 450MHz on an EPoX MVP3G2 will give you AFAICT, that again means 1 to 5 fps in FG, 12 to 55 in Armagetron, about the same in GLTron, all at 1280x1024, growing window size doesn't cut down framerates once you have enough vram, IMHE. and the X crashes in a vary bad way using xserver-xfree86 so I have to reboot to get back my console, so I am anxious to use x.org. Try the DRI trunk. There are three packages there and if they work for you, its the easiest way. Xfree stays in place but you are running xorg. Note that these are experimental packages. (Make sure that radeon is supported there first.) If it does not work, change /etc/X11/X to point to XFree86 once more and nothing is lost. If a reference to ...lib/modules-dri-trunk appears in XF86Config-4, comment that out since it contains the xorg stuff. Removing the packages restores. To try this, put these in sources.list deb http://www.nixnuts.net/files/ ./ deb-src http://www.nixnuts.net/files/ ./ ..I read http://www.nixnuts.net/files/README.txt as drop Daenzer's dri-trunk if you use my stuff, before I chk my 51000 mail d-u backlog, did you Geoff try this? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Synchronising more than 2 instances of Flightgear
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:06:45 +, Kevin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have Flightgear simultaneously running on two PCs (both Win32). I use an Ethernet network to connect the PCs, both of which have fixed IP addresses. The master PC has IP address 10.10.10.1 and the slave PC has IP address 10.10.10.2. The master PC sends UDP packets to the slave PC. In the Flightgear command for my master PC I have the following option: --native=socket,out,30,10.10.10.2,5500,udp In the Flightgear command for my slave PC I have the following options: --native=socket,in,30,,5500,udp --fdm=external This all works extremely well. The master is sending UDP packets to the slave (on address 10.10.10.2) and the slave is receiving UDP packets from anywhere. My question is this: How do I synchronise three (or more) instances of Flightgear? The three PCs will have the following addresses: 10.10.10.1 (Master) 10.10.10.2 (First Slave) 10.10.10.3 (Second Slave) I can still make both slaves receive UDP packets from anywhere, but how do I make the master PC transmit UDP packets to multiple slaves? ..' --native=socket,out,30,10.10.10.255,5500,udp ' if your lan is a /24 net, otherwise find out what your broadcast address is. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] in debian ssgInit called without a valid OpenGL context
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:48:06 +0100, Jimmy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what? 192.168.2.222 i in private range AFAIK, sorry but this isn't a useful mirror at all. sorry, but that didn't help. ..some of us run our own mirrors. You want a public mirror. so, you debian guys compiles your own x.org? sorry, i'm on debian sid and thought these packages are actual enough. ..first try a dist-upgrade like I told you, off a public mirror. but if that helps, i'll compile x.org by myself thanks Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:02:42 +0100, Jimmy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello, i'm running debian sid, with dri drm from http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-unstable/ ..is aoulde, lose it, you want a clean /etc/apt/sources.list like: deb http://192.168.2.222/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://192.168.2.222/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main \ contrib non-free ..and an ' apt-get update ;apt-get -u dist-upgrade '. ..then chk your driver, your likely want radeon: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/FG $ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |grep Driver Driver keyboard Driver mouse Driver mouse Driver mouse ### Available Driver options are:- # Driver ati Driver radeon Driver mouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/FG $ ..if _that_ fails, get the _newest_ X.org source and build it. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] in debian ssgInit called without a valid OpenGL context
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:02:42 +0100, Jimmy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello, i'm running debian sid, with dri drm from http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-unstable/ ..is aoulde, lose it, you want a clean /etc/apt/sources.list like: deb http://192.168.2.222/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://192.168.2.222/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main \ contrib non-free ..and an ' apt-get update ;apt-get -u dist-upgrade '. ..then chk your driver, your likely want radeon: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/FG $ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |grep Driver Driver keyboard Driver mouse Driver mouse Driver mouse ### Available Driver options are:- # Driver ati Driver radeon Driver mouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/FG $ ..if _that_ fails, get the _newest_ X.org source and build it. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] help with ATI fglrx
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:23:23 -0500, Josh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: tower:jbabcock$ fglrxinfo display: :0.0 screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 8500 DDR Generic OpenGL version string: 1.3.4893 (X4.3.0-8.10.19) ..tried this card with the open source DRI driver radeon ? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Rotating the Display
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:43:45 -, Richard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric F Sorton Sent: 23 February 2005 03:44 To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: [Flightgear-users] Rotating the Display Hi All, Is there a way to rotate the display 90 degrees? My monitor projects an image 90. I've played with /sim/current-view/roll-offset-deg. It does rotate the display, but something isn't quite right. All is OK if the plane is sitting still, but once you start to move, the view changes. If you are using a nVidia card on Windows, then the latest drivers support rotation of the screen at the driver level. The Linux driver may also do this, and I would hope that ATI would provide similar functionality. ..this has been supported natiively for years in X11R6 (XFree86, X.org etc ) for at least all Linux distros (and I guess all Unix too) I'm aware of, chk out Option Rotate string in ' man fbdev ' for details. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Rotating the Display
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:58:17 -0500, Eric wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 08:43:45AM -, Richard Bytheway wrote: If you are using a nVidia card on Windows, then the latest drivers support rotation of the screen at the driver level. The Linux driver may also do this, and I would hope that ATI would provide similar functionality. I am using nVidia under Linux. I do believe that the nVidia drivers under Linux allow you to rotate the display, however, my past research showed that hardware acceleration is disabled after the rotation. ..huh? Did you try: ' Option Rotate CW ' or somesuch in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? ..toss in the above and restart X to tilt X 90 degress CW, then: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/FG $ glxinfo |grep direct rendering direct rendering: Yes ..Nvidea uses their own closed source accelleration scheme. This makes it useless for FlightGear. I am not sure if the same issue exists under Windows. If anyone is rotating the display under Linux through the nVidia drivers with hardware acceleration, I'd love to hear how they do it. Thanks for the info, Eric -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Rotating the Display
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:54:37 -0500, Eric wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:12:12PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..this has been supported natiively for years in X11R6 (XFree86, X.org etc ) for at least all Linux distros (and I guess all Unix too) I'm aware of, chk out Option Rotate string in ' man fbdev ' for details. A quick search on Google turned up the following link: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_readme_install.html [...] (app-d) APPENDIX D: XF86Config OPTIONS [...] Option Rotate CW Option Rotate CCW Rotate the display clockwise or counterclockwise. This mode forces NoAccel and SWCursor to both be TRUE. Default: no rotation. [...] The date at the top is May 14, 2001; a bit old. I checked the latest README installed with 6111 (the latest version I have handy), and it does not mention the rotate option. Can anyone confirm or deny that the hardware acceleration under NVIDIA works with the hardware acceleration option? ..sorry, no, I use an ATI 9250 on DRI code, so you'll have to paste that in and restart X to try it, it might work now, even if it didn't in 2001. I'd prefer to find a solution that does not involve mucking with the X config if possible. ..back it up and try. No mercy there. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Running FG on win 98(not SE)
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:51:25 -0500, Jeremy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Windows must always be the first primary partition on the primary harddrive or it won't boot--which I re-learned the other day when I switched the WindowsME harddrive from a computer with a motherboard/cpu/memory malfunction into a computer with a Windows98 harddrive. I thought I could use lilo to toggle between ME and 98 but only the primary harddrive would boot. ..both will boot fine anytime the white litlle lie they are on the primary harddrive is set up, from 'info grub', 4.2.6 DOS/Windows, the primary harddrivez -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] ..arrrgh, wrong button, was: Running FG on win 98(not SE)
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:51:25 -0500, Jeremy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Windows must always be the first primary partition on the primary harddrive or it won't boot--which I re-learned the other day when I switched the WindowsME harddrive from a computer with a motherboard/cpu/memory malfunction into a computer with a Windows98 harddrive. I thought I could use lilo to toggle between ME and 98 but only the primary harddrive would boot. ..both will boot fine anytime the white litlle lie they are on the primary harddrive is set up, from 'info grub', 4.2.6 DOS/Windows, the primary harddrive lie is: ;o) grub map (hd0) (hd1) grub map (hd1) (hd0) ..lilo can do the same thing. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:58:49 +0800, Innis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aah Arnt my old mate(Australian for friend)it is always good to read your suggestions and advice. Arnt Karlsen writes ..you give up too early, just like the Yankees, look to Ukraina, took'em a just month in the winter to get the Right President into Office. ;o) If I gave up easely I would not still be here 18 months later. .. If you are not Linux/Unix proficient and have a good grasp of command line operation you will end up dying of frustration. I have had Mandrake 10 up and operating for nearly a year now but not FG.I only realy started trying to to install FG about two weeks ago but have not managed to even get the 3D graphics to operate. ..ah. _Which_ graphics card? I have a Nvidia FX5200 card in a Athalon 2gig box. ..chk /etc/X11/X???Config-4 driver section, no nv, you want nvidea, and allways Nvideas latest version, people here brag about their Linux support, they make the best closed source video drivers I'm aware of. So if you do decide to go down the Linux path dont say you wern't warned. ..Innis, try the real thing, Debian. Hmm I see just as many people having problems with Debian as any other distro. ..??? You have tried Debian? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing Linux for a better FGFS
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:38:08 +, Sid wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3. joe /etc/X11/XF86Config ..ditto for /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, /etc/X11/XorgConfig-4 etc. Driver nv, change to Driver nvidia save and exit the file. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
