I think it looks quite cool...
It seems to sit on Eclipse, which means Ruby development might be possible with
it. That'd be fantastic.
I've been looking for something that has a class browser and workspace as well
as a debugger / runtime inspector for Ruby. If we could get it working for
On 12/03/2010, at 9:46 AM, Andrey Fedorov wrote:
Chris Gahan wrote:
Or your goal could be this program should have a response time of less than
0.5 seconds.
Again, much better to be expressed as code. Remember, after all, that code is
simply unambiguous text which a computer can
On 13/03/2010, at 3:17 AM, John Zabroski wrote:
Wrong.
Commercial spreadsheets are not Turing complete. However, it is possible for
a programming language built using the spreadsheet cell as a fundamental
building block to be Turing complete. See Oregon State University's work on
...
- Original Message -
From: Julian Leviston
To: Fundamentals of New Computing
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?
From: http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf
The interesting part of this scheme is not just the long established idea
We're saying the same thing.
Julian.
On 12/05/2010, at 12:32 AM, BGB wrote:
consider plain arithmentic: numbers and arithmetic are also sterile of
meaning and context.
yet, they are very much useful in a large number of (often unrelated)
contexts.
sometimes, we don't need the
I've got a bit of a... query I guess...
I'm quite interested in learning about how COLA works.
Is this a candidate interest for COLA itself? Is this one of the goals of the
FONC group? To avail the learning of others? Or is only directed at children?
As far as I can see, it'd be incredibly
You're inspiring, Alan. Words aren't such a good communication means, here, but
I'll do my best.
Your writing in this article reminds me of how wonderful the world is, and how
we're not even just beginning out in terms of possibility (and this brings me
so much energy).
It reminds me of my
On 13/07/2010, at 10:29 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
The lack of scalability that I was talking about is where a system
becomes too much for any person to understand. Though lines of code is
very simplistic, Alan has compared code sizes of various projects with
different kinds of books in
On 14/07/2010, at 1:55 PM, BGB wrote:
yes.
there is much emphasis on people understanding an entire system, whereas
often a programmer does not need to have such comprehensive understanding.
in a large codebase, for example, parts of the project will come into view as
one works on
I'm not entirely sure why the idea of pattern expressions and meta-translators
wasn't an awesome idea.
If expressing an idea cleanly in a language is possible, and expressing that
language in another language clearly and cleanly is possible, why is it not
possible to write a tool which will
My answer can be best expressed simply and deeply thus:
I don't see the unix command 'ls' being rewritten every day or even every
year.
Do you understand what I'm trying to get at? It's possible to use an 'ls'
replacement if I so choose, but that's simply my preference. 'ls' itself hasn't
Does anyone know about a language (possibly something in smalltalk) that
involves spec-driven development?
A language that stipulates a spec (in code - ie a test) must be written before
any code can be written, and that can also do self-checks (sort of like a
checksum) before the code is
of
it.
Regards,
Julian
On 11/10/2010, at 1:11 PM, K. K. Subramaniam wrote:
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010 10:51:44 pm Julian Leviston wrote:
Does anyone know about a language (possibly something in smalltalk) that
involves spec-driven development?
Spec-driven development of what? There have been many attempts
On 14/10/2010, at 4:50 PM, K. K. Subramaniam wrote:
On Monday 11 Oct 2010 7:56:02 am Julian Leviston wrote:
I think this is better off baked in because it would encourage programmers
(users of the language) to write down what they intend to do before they
do it. Something most people do
On 14/10/2010, at 5:56 PM, K. K. Subramaniam wrote:
On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 11:30:44 am Julian Leviston wrote:
Executable documentation coupled with behavioural testing baked in is what
I'm after. ie the code won't actually execute without a checksum existing
first that indicates
On 15/10/2010, at 12:20 PM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
The previous thread about testing got me thinking about this again. One of
the biggest problems I have in the large with getting developers to write
tests is the burden of maintaining the tests when the code changes.
I have this wacky
Man... I *wish* I could meet you, let alone meet you in Kyoto!
J
On 22/11/2010, at 12:36 PM, Ian Piumarta wrote:
On Nov 22, 2010, at 08:40 , Casey Ransberger wrote:
matters of syntax and grammar are only the easy part of the problem.
How many hoops do we want to jump through in order to
No way dude... they've release most of what they've been working on...
J
On 18/12/2010, at 3:53 PM, Mark Haniford wrote:
Year and years have passed by. There's something else going on here.
I'll keep my speculations to myself.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Julian Leviston jul
On 21/12/2010, at 2:01 AM, Reuben Thomas wrote:
They don't have to answer any questions, or indeed demands. (Pardon me
if I err, but I've noticed no active participant from VPRI in this
thread, quite possibly because, as I admit, I've made the same point
before, rather more gently, which is
On 21/12/2010, at 4:51 AM, Steve Wart wrote:
So is there anything interesting from a FONC perspective in mobile
devices? It may be a coincidence that Apple's success with the iPhone
is to a large extent due to a Smalltalk-derived C dialect, but most
people who know Smalltalk would agree that
On 21/12/2010, at 6:07 AM, Brian Gilman wrote:
I think that the fundamental problem is that keyboards are good for entering
text, and text scales very well.
Artists and musicians tend to heavily favor visual node based programming,
which is a better fit for mobile platforms. Just drag
Yes! I couldn't agree more. We *need* this kind of thought. Every time we think
about something, we think about it for the first time... this is the kind of
thought that yields pink ideas not limited in creativity.
Julian.
On 06/01/2011, at 2:52 AM, John Zabroski wrote:
I remember reading a
On 19/02/2011, at 10:30 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
I've been thinking a lot about why I like to code, and how that relates to
the fact that I will program for money. The programming for money part isn't
nearly as satisfying to me for some reason as some of the stuff I've been
doing for
I'm glad you linked to this John. I found it intensely interesting, especially
as it mirrors efforts I've been making in building a similar system. I'm not
overly chuffed with the three new definitions of copy (which sort of
re-builds the difficulties and complexities of abstraction that the
I quite like what Apple's Numbers does with spreadsheets... something as simple
as naming sheets and having multiple variable-sized sheets on the one page
(they call them tables) means you can address cells by name and things become
kinda like variables...
That one simple thing makes them so
I have a question about OMeta.
Could it be used in any way to efficiently translate programs between
languages? I've been thinking about this for a number of months now... and it
strikes me that it should be possible...?
Julian.
___
fonc mailing list
taking.
On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
It does that all the time. An easy way to do it is to make up a universal
semantics, perhaps in AST form, then write translators into and out of.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net
:
It does that all the time. An easy way to do it is to make up a universal
semantics, perhaps in AST form, then write translators into and out of.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 7:24:28 AM
You should probably have a look at ActiveRecord::Migration which is part of
Rails if you're interested in SQL-based systems, and in fact ActiveRecord in
general is a really wonderful abstraction system - and a very good mix of do
what you *can* in a programming-language based DSL, and what you
On 18/05/2011, at 8:06 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Here's something ironic: we've instead focused on ways to *correct* human
error in music. Pitch correction for your vocals, but don't use too much, or
you'll sound like a fax machine (unless that's what you're going for, in
which case you
On 04/06/2011, at 6:59 AM, Michael Forster wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
[...]
I'm assuming you didn't mean to be insulting. Yes, unstructured
database is a bit of an oxymoron, and I intentionally used the words
in this clever way, which
Hi,
I've been attempting to assimilate the corresponding code to Ian Piumerta's
object model at http://piumarta.com/software/cola/objmodel2.pdf
My C knowledge is lacking, because I don't understand some of the basics in it.
I thought maybe some of you might be kind enough to elucidate.
I
Tanks everyone for answering on this so much...
Comment/Question below,
On 09/06/2011, at 4:56 AM, Kevin Jones wrote:
I really don't understand what this means:
typedef struct object *(*method_t)(struct object *receiver, ...);
method_t is a pointer to a function that returns an object
See below...
On 09/06/2011, at 2:59 PM, Josh Gargus wrote:
I really don't understand what this means:
typedef struct object *(*method_t)(struct object *receiver, ...);
method_t is a pointer to a function that returns an object pointer and
takes receiver and additional argument
Thanks
Answering my own question...
On 09/06/2011, at 4:27 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
See below...
On 09/06/2011, at 2:59 PM, Josh Gargus wrote:
I really don't understand what this means:
typedef struct object *(*method_t)(struct object *receiver, ...);
method_t is a pointer to a function
On 09/06/2011, at 5:56 PM, Josh Gargus wrote:
However, can we do better than that? I guess the answer depends on which
aspect of the status quo we're trying to improve on (searchability, mashups,
etc). For search, there must be plenty of technologies that can improve on
HTML by
On 09/06/2011, at 7:04 PM, BGB wrote:
actually, possibly a relevant question here, would be why Java applets
largely fell on their face, but Flash largely took off (in all its uses from
YouTube to Punch The Monkey...).
My own opinion of this is the same reason that the iPad feels faster
On 12/06/2011, at 1:00 PM, BGB wrote:
image-based systems have their own sets of drawbacks though...
dynamic reload could be a good enough compromise IMO, if done well...
I don't follow this train of thought. Everything runs in an image. That's to
say, the source code directly relates to
On 13/06/2011, at 7:50 PM, BGB wrote:
On 6/13/2011 1:33 AM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 12/06/2011, at 1:00 PM, BGB wrote:
image-based systems have their own sets of drawbacks though...
dynamic reload could be a good enough compromise IMO, if done well...
I don't follow this train
On 14/06/2011, at 1:17 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
It would be great if everyone on this list would think deeply about how to
have an eternal system, and only be amplified by it.
Hi Alan,
You might need to elucidate a little more on this for me to personally
understand you. Not sure how others
On 14/06/2011, at 4:07 AM, Josh Gargus wrote:
On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 14/06/2011, at 1:17 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
It would be great if everyone on this list would think deeply about how to
have an eternal system, and only be amplified by it.
Hi Alan
I wrote this without reading the very latest
http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011001_final_worlds.pdf so if I say anything that is
obviously missing that understanding, please bear with me :) I'll read it
shortly.
Julian.
On 14/06/2011, at 5:26 AM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 14/06/2011, at 4:07
On 14/06/2011, at 6:02 AM, BGB wrote:
but, what would be the gain?... the major issue with most possible graphical
representations, is that they are far less compact. hence, the common use of
graphical presentations to represent a small amount in information in a
compelling way (say, a
On 14/06/2011, at 7:33 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Kids may not have the linguistic development out of the way that one needs to
do serious programming. Adults who don't already code may find themselves
short on some of the core concepts that conventional programming languages
expect of
On 14/06/2011, at 7:16 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Consider what it'd be like if we didn't represent code as text... and
represented it maybe as series of ideograms or icons (TileScript nod).
Syntax errors don't really crop up any more, do they? Given a slightly nicer
User Interface than
On 14/06/2011, at 1:50 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
When you're about to type the next tile, you're given options... anything
outside of those options is impossible, so the computer doesn't put it in,
because syntactically it wouldn't make sense.
There's nothing specific to tiles in what
On 15/06/2011, at 1:14 AM, Tristan Slominski wrote:
Just for completeness, the lenses you describe here remind me of OMeta's
foreign rule invocation:
Yeah, I think there is a fair amount of deep digestion required to fully grok
these ideas, personally. Haha that sounds disturbing. :)
On 15/06/2011, at 9:00 AM, Kevin Driedger wrote:
I wonder if a thousand years ago the readers of the world thought that only
certain people had an aptitude for reading.
=
As a professional coder and father of young children I find Dethe's anecdote
of teaching his children to
On 20/06/2011, at 12:20 PM, Steve Dekorte wrote:
From this perspective we could see the history of programming as one of
finding ever more natural mappings between how our minds work and how we can
get machines to do what we want - just as steering wheel and floor pedals map
between our
On 20/06/2011, at 2:33 PM, BGB wrote:
in a sense, the metaphor no longer works, and should likely itself be left to
fall into the recycle-bin of history. worse yet is having to read stuff
written by people who actually take this metaphor seriously.
Given the historical perspective, it was
On 20/06/2011, at 4:33 PM, BGB wrote:
interestingly, I don't believe in getting rid of the file-system, per-se, as
technically it works fairly well and is a proven piece of technology.
Interestingly, I disagree entirely. Finding things is a pain for most people
(including myself).
Julian.
On 20/06/2011, at 4:33 PM, BGB wrote:
For example, when web programming on a specific web app, I use a web
browser, a text editor, a database management program, a command line, and a
couple other tools. It'd be nice to be able to fit these tools together
into a pseudo-app and then build
On 20/06/2011, at 8:06 PM, BGB wrote:
hmm... S-Expression database?...
sort of like a hybrid between a database and a persistent store.
or such...
I'd like to know if you think there's a difference between a filesystem and a
database... conceptually...
or such...
Hi... (see below)...
On 21/06/2011, at 3:42 AM, BGB wrote:
On 6/20/2011 3:22 AM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 20/06/2011, at 8:06 PM, BGB wrote:
hmm... S-Expression database?...
sort of like a hybrid between a database and a persistent store.
or such...
I'd like to know if you think
On 23/06/2011, at 10:08 AM, Steve Wart wrote:
So how can you make simple languages simple to use? Developers have
been rejecting complex GUIs in favour of plain text. If Google and
Apple are right, every program component isn't a file on a disk, but
rather some network accessible resource.
On 23/06/2011, at 12:35 PM, Max OrHai wrote:
People who want a small language should be prepared to be somewhat
idiosyncratic, if they want to express big or complex programs. I mean
'language' here not just in terms of a programming language definition but
rather to mean all constructs
On 24/06/2011, at 11:42 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
They gave that presentation more than once (I saw it a OOPSLA). Awesome :)
Here's a version from JAOO'08, streams fine in Germany:
http://blog.jaoo.dk/2008/11/21/art-and-code-obscure-or-beautiful-code/
- Bert -
I actually
On 26/07/2011, at 12:03 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
In contrast, as you mentioned, TCP/IP protocol which is backbone of
today's internet having much better design.
But i think this is a general problem of software evolution. No matter
how hard you try, you cannot foresee all kinds of
On 26/07/2011, at 1:33 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 25 July 2011 16:16, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
On 26/07/2011, at 12:03 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Interestingly that many today's trendy and popular things (which we
know today as web) were invented as a temporary solution
On 26/07/2011, at 1:43 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
(quotes are broken)
On 25 July 2011 16:26, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
On 26/07/2011, at 12:03 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
In contrast, as you mentioned, TCP/IP protocol which is backbone of
today's internet having much
On 26/07/2011, at 12:20 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
You lost me here. My attitude to Ruby is same as to Perl: lets take
bit from here, bit from there, mix well everything and voila! , we
having new programming language.
It may be good for cooking recipe, but definitely not very good for
On 26/07/2011, at 12:20 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
But for programming its a bit different: you giving to people a tool
which they will use to craft their own products. And depending on how
good/bad this tool are, the end product's quality will vary.
And also, it would be too good to be
On 26/07/2011, at 12:20 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Say, for example, like making a telephone that is vastly more easy to use
than all other telephones on the planet. Now, for tech geeks, it's not
really *that* much easier to use... For example, when the iPhone came out, I
got one, and the
On 26/07/2011, at 3:47 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
But the dilemma is: what happens if this is the route and the children and
adults reject it for the much more alluring human universals? Even if almost
none of them lead to a stable, thriving, growth inducing and prosperous
civilization?
These
Hey UTS! That's just up the road from me :)
Haha woo :)
J
On 21/07/2011, at 7:34 PM, Barry Jay wrote:
Hi everyone,
the paper Growing a language in pattern calculus is now available from
http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~cbj/Publications/glpmf.pdf
The material of the paper links to
On 21/08/2011, at 12:22 AM, John McKeon wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2011, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
(For example)
Try to imagine a system where the parts only receive messages but never
explicitly send them.
This is one example of what I meant when I requested that
understanding and not just a surface level attention.
J
On 24/08/2011, at 3:37 PM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/23/2011 9:54 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
I usually just leave off commenting, but I personally don't think this is
appropriate for this list.
fair enough, mostly just trying
vpri.og is working for me.
Are you talking about Gezira/Nile?
http://www.vpri.org/vp_wiki/index.php/Gezira
Julian
On 01/09/2011, at 5:40 AM, nchen@mac.com wrote:
Hi
I briefly remember Alan and other members of VPRI doing a presentation of the
text layout engine while they were here
Amusing, they seem to be saying that the platform is the problem. ;-) Now where
have we heard that before? :-) God, Alan's only been saying it for the last ten
years or something...
Julian
On 14/09/2011, at 2:40 AM, Stephen Pair wrote:
My guess would be that Dart is the newer, official name
Clicking the link
http://www.squeaksource.com/LoLs.html
Yields this:
Internal Server Error
Error: This block accepts 0 arguments, but was called with 1.
Comanche/6.2 (unix) Server at localhost Port
On 18/10/2011, at 7:15 AM, Douglass, Jamie wrote:
Thought you would be interested in
, try to say something specific
and relevant to those who might have skimmed it. Which parts interested you?
If you're referring to Sean's comment for recording the outreach events,
please consider moving it to another topic.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Julian Leviston jul
I like minecraft's take on this.
Julian
On 17/01/2012, at 2:31 PM, BGB wrote:
On 1/16/2012 6:47 PM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Top post. Heightmapping can go a really long way. Probably not news though:)
I am still not certain, since a lot of this has a lot more to do with my own
The original topic was about getting the computer to create 3d worlds. That was
what I was referring to when I said I like minecraft's taken on it. They use a
seed to generate the world.
Julian
On 17/01/2012, at 3:26 PM, BGB wrote:
On 1/16/2012 8:36 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
I like
I guess this depends what you mean by awe-inspiring.
David this sentence somewhat disturbs me, though. I grew up in Tasmania - a
little island at the bottom of Australia... with some of the most picturesque
(and as you say here awe-inspiring) countryside in Australia. I can tell you
for sure
No, I find it IS awe-inspiring all of the time.
I may not necessarily be full of awe or actually be inspired at any particular
one time... however, this doesn't change the fact that certain things or people
themselves are awe-inspiring all of the time to me. In other words, if I'm in a
bad
, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
No, I find it IS awe-inspiring all of the time.
I may not necessarily be full of awe or actually be inspired at any
particular one time... however, this doesn't change the fact that certain
things or people themselves are awe-inspiring all
On 23/01/2012, at 12:34 PM, BGB wrote:
I was more giving it as an example of basically wanting to do one thing while
being obligated (due to prior work) to do something very different.
Yeah, sorry for diverging :) I actually realised that.
say, if a musician (or scientist/programmer/...)
On 23/01/2012, at 2:30 PM, BGB wrote:
little if anything in that area that generally makes me think dubstep
though...
(taken loosely enough, most gangsta-rap could be called dubstep if one
turns the sub-woofer loud enough, but this is rather missing the point...).
Listen to this song.
On 23/01/2012, at 4:17 PM, BGB wrote:
as opposed to either manually placing samples on a timeline (like in Audacity
or similar), or the stream of note-on/note-off pulses and delays used by
MIDI, an alternate idea comes up:
one has a number of delayed relative events, which are in-turn
/wiki/OpenMusic
http://www2.siba.fi/pwgl/pwglsynth.html
https://github.com/digego/extempore
On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 23/01/2012, at 4:17 PM, BGB wrote:
as opposed to either manually placing samples on a timeline (like in
Audacity or similar), or the stream
On 13/02/2012, at 6:01 AM, Kurt Stephens wrote:
On 2/12/12 11:15 AM, Steve Wart wrote:
Can the distributed computation model you describe be formalized as a
set of rewrite rules, or is the black box model really about a
protocol for message dispatch? Attempts to build distributed messaging
Hiya,
On 13/02/2012, at 2:47 PM, Kurt Stephens wrote:
Read Ian Piumarta's Open, extensible object models (
http://piumarta.com/software/cola/objmodel2.pdf ).
At a certain level, send(), lookup() and apply() have bootstrap
implementations to break the infinite regress. TORT was directly
Isn't the cola basically irrelevant now? aren't they using maru instead? (or
rather isn't maru the renamed version of coke?)
Julian
On 26/02/2012, at 2:52 AM, Martin Baldan wrote:
Michael,
Thanks for your reply. I'm looking into it.
Best,
Martin
thing one can download and run
right now. Could you guys please clear it up for me?
Best,
Martin
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
Isn't the cola basically irrelevant now? aren't they using maru instead? (or
rather isn't maru the renamed version
What does any of what you just said have to do with the original question about
COLA?
Julian
On 26/02/2012, at 9:25 PM, BGB wrote:
On 2/25/2012 7:48 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
As I understand it, Frank is an experiment that is an extended version of
DBJr that sits atop lesserphic, which
;)
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
As I understand it, Frank is an experiment that is an extended version of
DBJr that sits atop lesserphic, which sits atop gezira which sits atop nile,
which sits atop maru all of which which utilise ometa
Hi,
Comments line...
On 27/02/2012, at 5:33 PM, BGB wrote:
I don't think it was a prank. It's not really hidden at all. If you pay
attention, all the components of Frank are there... like I said. It's
obviously missing certain things like Nothing, and other optimisations, but
for the
Structural optimisation is not compression. Lurk more.
Julian
On 28/02/2012, at 3:38 PM, BGB wrote:
granted, I remain a little skeptical.
I think there is a bit of a difference though between, say, a log table, and
a typical piece of software.
a log table is, essentially, almost pure
Is this one of the aims?
Julian
On 01/03/2012, at 11:42 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote:
The biggest challenge for FONC will not be to achieve good technical
results, as it is stuffed with people who have a history of doing
great work, and its results to date are already exciting, but to get
those
to convince too many
people who have so much history of the merits of tearing down the existing
systems.
Just a thought.
Julian
On 02/03/2012, at 2:04 AM, Reuben Thomas wrote:
On 1 March 2012 15:02, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
Is this one of the aims?
It doesn't seem to be, which
Right you are. Centralised search seems a bit silly to me.
Take object orientedism and apply it to search and you get a thing where each
node searches itself when asked... apply this to a local-focussed topology (ie
spider web serch out) and utilise intelligent caching (so search the localised
On 13/03/2012, at 1:21 PM, BGB wrote:
although theoretically possible, I wouldn't really trust not having the
ability to use conventional text editors whenever need-be (or mandate use of
a particular editor).
for most things I am using text-based formats, including for things like
On 14/03/2012, at 2:11 AM, David Barbour wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Josh Grams j...@qualdan.com wrote:
On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
What is text? Do you store your text in ASCII, EBCDIC, SHIFT-JIS or
UTF-8? If it's UTF-8, how do you use an ASCII editor
I started on this yesterday when I received your email Ian, and I just wanted
to say thank you (and Alan, too) very much for responding.
I'm still interested in what your thoughts on Kernel are (and Arc, too,
actually) sometime if you have a couple of moments to pen them...
Julian
On
Hi Ian Alan,
Further to your suggestion that I write a LISP interpreter, I'm about 90% of
the way done. That is, I've built the following so far:
- using Ruby
- a Lexer into Ruby array structures for lists (Ruby Array array of arrays
(etc.) at this point in the process), Symbol, String,
Thought this is worth a look as a next step after Brett Victor's work
(http://vimeo.com/36579366) on UI for programmers...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table
We're still not quite there yet IMHO, but that's getting towards the general
direction... tie that in with a
of the time are favoured by few. I think we need good
theoretical approaches to problems like this before we can make any progress
in how the actual real tools work like.
Cheers,
Jarosław Rzeszótko
2012/4/24 Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net
Thought this is worth a look as a next step
I disagree. We do our best. This is always the case.
The problem with language is ... there is no problem. The problem is with
people and their lack of awareness.
I agree that our best currently sucks, though.
Words aren't the things they refer to - they're just pointers. The only way to
But I wasn't asking you. :P
:)
On 08/05/2012, at 4:28 PM, David Barbour wrote:
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
What's your point?
I like my PLs to be point free, as much as possible. ;)
Regards,
Dave
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bringing s-words to a pen
Naming poses no problem so long as you define things a bit. :P
Humans parsing documents without proper definitions are like coders trying to
read programming languages that have no comments
(pretty much all the source code I ever read unfortunately)
J
On 08/05/2012, at 4:36 PM, David Barbour
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