This method is only needed, IMHO, if you want the ToC to refer to the
ToC, or if you have a very small ToC that will be sharing a page with
the beginning of the chapter.
But I agree: use only one book file.
There is also the third alternative: make the individual ToCs for each
chapter and add it
At 10:45 -0500 5/3/06, Wollenberger, David wrote:
I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
image of a mouse as the bullet. I am hoping I can find it in a font
set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings,
On behalf of someone on another group...
At 11:23 + 6/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with FrameMaker 6.0
and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.
I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot embed a
font because of licensing
David,
There are two methods I have used.
First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with
a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to include the
paratext, tab,
Hi Frank,
That was informativethanks for sharing it with me !
Thank you,
Shall Close,
Regards,
David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
www.fiorano.com
_
We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).
To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
mini-TOC against the bookmarks in the PDF as I'm reviewing it.
-Carla
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- CONFIDENTIAL-
This email and any files transmitted with it are
Hi,
Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Sindu
___
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Another option is to use the ChapterTOC Framescript, an inexpensive plug-in.
Works like a charm, also on a book level.
You find it here: http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm
___
You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As do we. But we automate the mini-ToC by using FrameSLT, from West
Street Consulting. Once you set it up, it will build such a list of
cross-refs with a couple of clicks. Structured documents only, though.
Before we started using it, discrepancies between the mini-ToC and the
rest of the doc were
Failing that, the Bingo font has a creditable mouse:
http://www.fonts.com/FindFonts/detail.htm?query=animalspid=206177page
_i
d=4456grab_id=0
Steve, I looked at the Bingo font and I agree, the mouse lacks verve.
But I *love* that pushpin!
Does anyone know what if any licensing issues might
Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit.
Anyone else getting this error/crash? I experience it daily since our
upgrade to 7.2.
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518)
Sindu,
Check out Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) which is an excellent tool for
creating, updating and maintaining indexes in FrameMaker, and has a
trial version.
Alternatively, there are Indexing tools by Silicon Prairie Software
(http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), which I am less familiar
If the first row that is on the next page is too big to be placed on
the page it breaks from it is normal. However there could be a setting
in the Table Designer setting Orphan rows to something more than 1,
that could be affecting the behaviour of your table.
Bodvar.
On 3/5/06, Shmuel [EMAIL
There's also http://www.emdex.ca to consider.
Bernard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Schor
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:03 AM
To: Sindhu tw; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Index Professional Tool
Sindu,
Check out
Have you patched to the b144 patch? That may help. You may also want to try
(weird as it sounds) to search using Find Backward.
b144 is here http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3186
Bernard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's second method below), but we use
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.
-Niels
- -Original Message-
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- On Behalf Of Frank Harper
- Sent: 6. marts 2006
I'll try both. Thank you.
I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a Find.
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389
-Original Message-
From: Bernard Aschwanden [mailto:[EMAIL
Hi Sonia,
A wise, wise teacher once said to me, the only stupid question is the one
that doesn't get asked. ;-)
You've gotten great advice so far on your question, and I'd like to add my
two cents method if I may. If you are at all familiar with a graphics
program like Photoshop, you can make a
At 08:47 -0500 6/3/06, Anne Robotti wrote:
Does anyone know what if any licensing issues might arise if I bought
the font, tweaked that pushpin with some color, etc, and used it as an
Info graphic? Or if I buy the font can I do whatever I want with it?
To the last, almost certainly 'no'. Font
You could also try the older fix of having all files open on your
desktop when you start the FR. This eliminates delays and timeouts
when working with files over a network.
Art
On 3/6/06, DeFlorio, Dominick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll try both. Thank you.
I just discovered that it helps if
I typically open all files in a book when I first open Frame. The error
usually occurs the first few times I search, and continues to be a
problem until I save during a search.
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389
Hello Framers
Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was 7.1p114
as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying to
install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits with
an error message:
You do not have correct version of FM
You wrote:
Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.
Links to reviews of Index Professional, IXGen and emDEX can be found at
http://www.microtype.com/links.html
Shlomo Perets
Indeed, Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) is great! It has become one of those
indispensable Framemaker plug-ins, not just to create indexes, but also to
manage other markers, for example TopicAlias markers which we use for the
context-sensitive Help.
--
Yves Barbion
Technical Writer
And, there's also MarkerWorker and Marker Madness. All of the
indexing/marker tools mentioned so far are listed in our Tool Search
database (with prices and descriptions for quick review). See ..
http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/?kwds=marker
Cheers!
...scott
Scott Prentice
Leximation,
I've imported a document (FileImportFile) and the table borders are
not the same as in the original document. I selected to retain the
original formatting and it's still the same problem.
Is there any way to fix this? I noticed that Frame table borders seem
buggy. Is this a bug or a feature?
Good morning,
Since there's an ongoing thread on chapter TOCs, I thought I'd share an
idea I had recently. In a book with numerous chapters, it is a pain to
remember to generate the local TOC for each chapter. A minor tweak to the
EDD, and a slightly strained structure, allows me to build
Dear David,
I don't know of a good option. The standard you seem to be working from
isn't one that I've heard of. Every mainstream style guide I've seen
says that front matter should be numbered separately from the body. That
means that your chapter 1 should start on page 1 according to
Hi, folks:
When this thread came up the other day, I thought hmmm... that's
interesting, and let it go. But now that it's gathering momentum, I
took another look.
A quick look at several Adobe Classroom In A Book titles, the revered
all-time best FrameMaker 5.5 User's Guide, FrameMaker 7:
Hi Sindu,
I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of people recommending
IXgen. IXgen automates so many repetitive indexing tasks that I
literally cannot imagine creating an index in a FrameMaker book without
IXgen. I actually included the cost of IXgen as part of the FrameMaker
package
I'm confused.
Peter's survey shows exactly what I would expect:
1. some books use lowercase roman for front matter and then restart at 1
in Arabic for the body.
2. some books don't number the front matter, and then start at 1 in
Arabic for the body.
3. a few books have chosen the approach I am
Hi, Joe:
At 10:40 AM -0800 3/6/06, Joe Malin wrote:
I'm confused.
Sorry if I confused you by not being explicit about the examples of
book numbering that I referred to that begin body matter at page 1,
or number front matter from page 1 and continue through body matter.
I should have
But, as Peter implied, I'm more interested in this as an entertaining
examination of the standard and not as a solution to David's problem.
That's why most of my message was an aside. I agree with Peter that FM
ought to provide the ability to separate page sequences from page
sequence
Adding to the discussion, The Chicago Manual of Style gives the traditional
reason for numbering front matter and main text separately in both form and
count:
The front matter of a book, especially in the United States, is paginated
with lowercase roman numerals for some of these pages
Wollenberger, David wrote:
I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
image of a mouse as the bullet. I am hoping I can find it in a font
set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings,
Definitely interested! I can do good beta testing for you, since I'm a
former software engineer.
I will warn you in advance that you might have to wait a while before my
company invested actual money in anything. Our motto is definitely free
is better. You can understand that a small startup
Joe Malin wrote:
Keen readers of Chicago's online QA will recognize this issue from last
month; I was the one who asked the question. Alas, they didn't quite
understand my point. The standard of numbering front and back matter
separately from the body makes sense in a traditional world, and I
Roger, before I did anything dramatic like taking off unrelated software
First, it'd be good that you confirm that you're trying to install as
a user with
Admin privileges, and also that you're the same user who installed the
first version.
If there's anything unusual there, I'd try booting
Good points. In a message that crossed paths with yours, I granted that
the current standard fits all situations, and is therefore most
familiar. Perhaps it also adds credibility.
I would like to point out, though, that the argument about navigation is
a stretch. Most books also feature running
Hi Art
Actually, uninstalling Distiller is recommended in the documentation for
the p116 patch, so it doesn't come in the unrelated software category.
And I do have Admin rights on this machine.
Anyway, I spoke to Adobe, and after being passed around for 50 minutes
the suggestion was (i) to
At 15:21 -0500 6/3/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:
A PC mouse or a rodent mouse??
Heh. You know, that question never would have occurred to me.
I guess living with a pair of Burmese toms has, well, orientated my thinking
somewhat.
--
Steve
___
You are
Steve Rickaby wrote:
On behalf of someone on another group...
At 11:23 + 6/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with
FrameMaker 6.0 and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.
I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot
embed a font
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:10:41 -0500, Art Campbell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't want to disillusion you prematurely, but Save As
pdf and Distiller still don't work reliably with the patch.
May not crash, but the only solidly reliable way to distill
is still to print to a PS file and distill
Hm.
You can manually reset numbering in Acrobat, but you have to remember to
do it. Any manual step you have to remember to do is bound to be
forgotten.
You can use PageLabeler, but it costs money. Not every tech writer is in
a position to buy the tools he or she needs.
You can use
You're not likely to find it in a font except by pure, wild,
outrageous chance as those Word template styles use GIFs for the
bullets. Check your installation of Word for these support files.
HTH.
Will.
On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:
David Wollenberg wrote:
I am
Hi David
For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the "big" book,
not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a while, but
found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small books. Also, you
have to muck with your numbering scheme. In
Hi,
I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
Thank you,
Shall Close,
Regards,
David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
This method is only needed, IMHO, if you want the ToC to refer to the
ToC, or if you have a very small ToC that will be sharing a page with
the beginning of the chapter.
But I agree: use only one book file.
There is also the third alternative: make the individual ToCs for each
chapter and add it
At 10:45 -0500 5/3/06, Wollenberger, David wrote:
>I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
>template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
>image of a mouse as the bullet. I am hoping I can find it in a font
>set. I have looked at all of the
On behalf of someone on another group...
At 11:23 + 6/3/06, Cherie.Ellis at trendcomms.com wrote:
>I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with FrameMaker 6.0
>and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.
>
>I have had a problem when distilling a FM file. Distiller cannot embed a
>font because
David,
There are two methods I have used.
First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with
a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to include the
paratext, tab,
Hi Frank,
That was informativethanks for sharing it with me !
Thank you,
Shall Close,
Regards,
David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
www.fiorano.com
_
Here are my answers to these questions:
1. Font licensing
Purchasing a font does not necessarily entitle you to embed the font in
a PDF file. It depends on the restrictions the font designer has
specified for the font.
If you have the Microsoft Opentype font properties extension (available
from
We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).
To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
mini-TOC against the bookmarks in the PDF as I'm reviewing it.
-Carla
cmartinek at zebra.com
- CONFIDENTIAL-
This email and any files transmitted with it
Hi,
Can you all please throw some light on Index professional tool. Is it
advisable to use this tool if so can i get some trial version for the same.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Sindu
Another option is to use the ChapterTOC Framescript, an inexpensive plug-in.
Works like a charm, also on a book level.
You find it here: http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm
As do we. But we "automate" the mini-ToC by using FrameSLT, from West
Street Consulting. Once you set it up, it will build such a list of
cross-refs with a couple of clicks. Structured documents only, though.
Before we started using it, discrepancies between the mini-ToC and the
rest of the doc
"Internal Error 7204, 6107874, 7775428, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit."
Anyone else getting this error/crash? I experience it daily since our
upgrade to 7.2.
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518)
Sindu,
Check out Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) which is an excellent tool for
creating, updating and maintaining indexes in FrameMaker, and has a
trial version.
Alternatively, there are Indexing tools by Silicon Prairie Software
(http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), which I am less familiar
There's also http://www.emdex.ca to consider.
Bernard
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of David Schor
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:03
Have you patched to the b144 patch? That may help. You may also want to try
(weird as it sounds) to search using Find Backward.
b144 is here http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3186
Bernard
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at
We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's "second method" below), but we use
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.
-Niels
-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com
->
I'll try both. Thank you.
I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in the midst of a Find.
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389
-Original Message-
From: Bernard Aschwanden
Hi Sonia,
A wise, wise teacher once said to me, "the only stupid question is the one
that doesn't get asked." ;-)
You've gotten great advice so far on your question, and I'd like to add my
two cents method if I may. If you are at all familiar with a graphics
program like Photoshop, you can make
At 08:47 -0500 6/3/06, Anne Robotti wrote:
>Does anyone know what if any licensing issues might arise if I bought
>the font, tweaked that pushpin with some color, etc, and used it as an
>"Info" graphic? Or if I buy the font can I do whatever I want with it?
To the last, almost certainly 'no'.
You could also try the older fix of having all files open on your
desktop when you start the F This eliminates delays and timeouts
when working with files over a network.
Art
On 3/6/06, DeFlorio, Dominick wrote:
> I'll try both. Thank you.
> I just discovered that it helps if I Save whilst in
I typically open all files in a book when I first open Frame. The error
usually occurs the first few times I search, and continues to be a
problem until I save during a search.
Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389
Hello Framers
Working on a new machine, I noticed that the FM installation was 7.1p114
as shown on the Help, About screen (Windows XP SP2). So I am trying to
install the p116 patch. The installer gets to 100% but then quits with
an error message:
You do not have correct version of FM install
Indeed, Ixgen (http://www.fsatools.com) is great! It has become one of those
indispensable Framemaker plug-ins, not just to create indexes, but also to
manage other "markers", for example TopicAlias markers which we use for the
context-sensitive Help.
--
Yves Barbion
Technical Writer
While you're at it, you may want to check out our MarkerTools plugin ..
http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php
which provides many nice marker editing and management functions .. 30-day
trial lets you try it out to make sure it does what you need.
...scott
Scott Prentice
And, there's also MarkerWorker and Marker Madness. All of the
indexing/marker tools mentioned so far are listed in our Tool Search
database (with prices and descriptions for quick review). See ..
http://www.leximation.com/toolsearch/?kwds=marker
Cheers!
...scott
Scott Prentice
Leximation,
I've imported a document (File>Import>File) and the table borders are
not the same as in the original document. I selected to retain the
original formatting and it's still the same problem.
Is there any way to fix this? I noticed that Frame table borders seem
buggy. Is this a bug or a feature?
Good morning,
Since there's an ongoing thread on chapter TOCs, I thought I'd share an
idea I had recently. In a book with numerous chapters, it is a pain to
remember to generate the local TOC for each chapter. A minor tweak to the
EDD, and a slightly strained structure, allows me to build
Dear David,
I don't know of a good option. The standard you seem to be working from
isn't one that I've heard of. Every mainstream style guide I've seen
says that front matter should be numbered separately from the body. That
means that your chapter 1 should start on page 1 according to
Hi Sindu,
I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of people recommending
IXgen. IXgen automates so many repetitive indexing tasks that I
literally cannot imagine creating an index in a FrameMaker book without
IXgen. I actually included the cost of IXgen as part of the FrameMaker
package
I'm confused.
Peter's survey shows exactly what I would expect:
1. some books use lowercase roman for front matter and then restart at 1
in Arabic for the body.
2. some books don't number the front matter, and then start at 1 in
Arabic for the body.
3. a few books have chosen the approach I am
Hi, Joe:
At 10:40 AM -0800 3/6/06, Joe Malin wrote:
>I'm confused.
Sorry if I confused you by not being explicit about the examples of
book numbering that I referred to that " begin body matter at page 1,
or number front matter from page 1 and continue through body matter."
I should have
> But, as Peter implied, I'm more interested in this as an entertaining
> examination of the standard and not as a solution to David's problem.
> That's why most of my message was an aside. I agree with Peter that FM
> ought to provide the ability to separate page sequences from page
> sequence
In all this installing and uninstalling, you are rebooting whenever
you're making a
major change, right? So the software can reinitialize?
Also, so far as the CDs are concerned, I'd be surprised if Adobe didn't update
their shipping CDs on a rolling basis so that the latest & greatest version was
"Wollenberger, David" wrote:
> I have a situation which I don't think is so unusual, and yet I can't
> seem to figure out how to get FM to handle it.
>
> Our TOC page numbering begins on iii and goes as long as it has to,
> ending on an even page.
>
> Our Chapter 1 begins on the next page
Adding to the discussion, The Chicago Manual of Style gives the traditional
reason for numbering front matter and main text separately in both form and
count:
"The front matter of a book, especially in the United States, is paginated
with lowercase roman numerals for some of these pages
Wollenberger, David wrote:
> I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
> template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
> image of a mouse as the bullet. I am hoping I can find it in a font
> set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings,
Definitely interested! I can do good beta testing for you, since I'm a
former software engineer.
I will warn you in advance that you might have to wait a while before my
company invested actual money in anything. Our motto is definitely "free
is better". You can understand that a small startup
Joe Malin wrote:
> Keen readers of Chicago's online Q will recognize this issue from last
> month; I was the one who asked the question. Alas, they didn't quite
> understand my point. The standard of numbering front and back matter
> separately from the body makes sense in a traditional world,
Roger, before I did anything dramatic like taking off unrelated software
First, it'd be good that you confirm that you're trying to install as
a user with
Admin privileges, and also that you're the same user who installed the
first version.
If there's anything unusual there, I'd try booting
Good points. In a message that crossed paths with yours, I granted that
the current standard fits all situations, and is therefore most
familiar. Perhaps it also adds credibility.
I would like to point out, though, that the argument about navigation is
a stretch. Most books also feature running
Hi Art
Actually, uninstalling Distiller is recommended in the documentation for
the p116 patch, so it doesn't come in the "unrelated software" category.
And I do have Admin rights on this machine.
Anyway, I spoke to Adobe, and after being passed around for 50 minutes
the suggestion was (i) to
At 15:21 -0500 6/3/06, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>A PC mouse or a rodent mouse??
Heh. You know, that question never would have occurred to me.
I guess living with a pair of Burmese toms has, well, orientated my thinking
somewhat.
--
Steve
I don't want to disillusion you prematurely, but Save As pdf and Distiller still
don't work reliably with the patch. May not crash, but the only solidly reliable
way to distill is still to print to a PS file and distill manually (I was on 7.1
for more than a year and just hopped to 7.2 .
Art
On
Steve Rickaby wrote:
> On behalf of someone on another group...
>
> At 11:23 + 6/3/06, Cherie.Ellis at trendcomms.com wrote:
>
>
>> I wonder if anyone can help me regarding font problems with
>> FrameMaker 6.0 and Actobat/Distiller 6.0.
>>
>> I have had a problem when distilling a FM file.
David Wollenberg wrote:
> I am trying to create a FrameMaker template that simulates a Word
> template. In the Word template, there is a bullet style that uses an
> image of a mouse as the bullet. I am hoping I can find it in a font
> set. I have looked at all of the Wingdings, Webdings,
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:10:41 -0500, "Art Campbell"
wrote:
>I don't want to disillusion you prematurely, but Save As
>pdf and Distiller still don't work reliably with the patch.
>May not crash, but the only solidly reliable way to distill
>is still to print to a PS file and distill manually (I
Count me among those who think continuous numbering with a change in
format makes no sense. It strikes me as completely stupid,
counterintuitive, and guaranteed to confuse.
As for Joe's point about online reading:
> *THAT* is where the problem really lies. In the text, the author
refers
> to
Hm.
You can manually reset numbering in Acrobat, but you have to remember to
do it. Any manual step you have to remember to do is bound to be
forgotten.
You can use PageLabeler, but it costs money. Not every tech writer is in
a position to buy the tools he or she needs.
You can use
You're not likely to find it in a font except by pure, wild,
outrageous chance as those Word template styles use GIFs for the
bullets. Check your installation of Word for these support files.
HTH.
Will.
On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> David Wollenberg wrote:
>
>> I am
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