[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi all. Thx Martin for starting this thread ;) Before going into details I would like to note some time constraints, as we agreed on having time and not feature based releases, so we get some feeling what might be feasible in the time we have: Plone 2.5 - January 2006, feature /

[Framework-Team] Re: Release roadmap for 3.0

2006-05-11 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Raphael Ritz wrote: First, I think we should really encourage the SoC projects by defining a time line and process that offers the **possibility** of getting results from SoC projects into the 3.0 release. My intention here was to give all the SoC projects a clear statement that their code

[Framework-Team] Re: Names, names and we need a decision

2006-07-28 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. As I'm lazy, I wrote a new template for plone.app projects now as well. So in step 3 you can also do: paster create -t plone_app which will ask you the same question as the plone_core template but adds a question for the second namespace, which defaults to app :) Step 4 (svn import)

[Framework-Team] Re: Now what do we do?

2006-08-30 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi all. Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi guys, I took a look at the PLIPs still remaining. I put some preliminary names to some of PLIPs, purely along the lines that I thought people may be interested in. All the ones with ? in front of them are just suggestions - the other ones are the ones Wiggy,

[Framework-Team] Re: first comments on plip 148 (moving to CMF 2.1)

2006-09-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hello from the St. Augustin sprint :) Raphael Ritz wrote: Hello again, this is just a service to those of you who do not follow the svn/plone commits ;-) 2006-09-12 Raphael Ritz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) My test set-up: Python 2.4.3, Zope 2.10.0b2 release on Linux (FC5) First

[Framework-Team] Re: first comments on plip 148 (moving to CMF 2.1)

2006-09-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: Raphael Ritz wrote: What would be really nice to have for our add-on developers: - a hands-on, fool-proof guide on how to update 3rd-party products for Plone 3.0. In particular this should contain (pointers to) instructions on supporting and using

[Framework-Team] Re: first comments on plip 148 (moving to CMF 2.1)

2006-09-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Alec Mitchell wrote: On 9/12/06, Raphael Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hanno Schlichting schrieb: What would be really nice to have for our add-on developers: - a hands-on, fool-proof guide on how to update 3rd-party products for Plone 3.0. In particular this should contain

[Framework-Team] Re: update on plip 148: move to CMF-2.1

2006-09-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Raphael Ritz wrote: - I tried to fix 'installTypes' from Archetypes but I didin't fully succeed. For some plain AT folderish items the default actions are missing (I tested with MyAddressBook from my tutorial: the 'Contact' type is OK but the 'AddressBook' type is missing

[Framework-Team] Review of PLIP 142 - Martin vs. global_contentmenu

2006-09-21 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi all, while it's getting late, I was finally able to review the first PLIP on my list. I have added a detailed list of open problems to the bundle itself at http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/review/plip142-componentised-content-menu/COMMENTS.TXT. For those of you not familiar with the PLIP

[Framework-Team] Re: Review of PLIP 142 - Martin vs. global_contentmenu

2006-09-23 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi Hanno, 1. Global configuration: Currently menus (Actions menu, Workflow menu, ...) are configured in ZCML and thus immediately available without any installation step. For an add-on product this means there is no way to unregister a particular menu and menus added

[Framework-Team] Re: update on plip 148: move to CMF-2.1

2006-10-03 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi all! Raphael Ritz wrote: So the biggest open issue at the moment is probably the move to using events instead of the 'manage_*' hooks. At least for CatalogMultiplex and all catalog indexing behavior I was able to fix this in the meantime. The solution was far easier than I would have

[Framework-Team] Re: Review for PLIP 174

2006-10-03 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Vincenzo Di Somma wrote: Conclusion I think the plips succeeds in its goals, the implementation on the i18n layer is much clearer now, easy to read and manage and of course it is reusable. Thx, I always love to get positive feedback. Hanno also provides a list of todo

[Framework-Team] Re: first merges

2006-10-07 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Wichert Akkerman wrote: If there are no objections I think we should merge these four PLIPs into trunk in the next couple of days: Aren't we supposed to have an official vote on what PLIP's we think are ready for inclusion? In case anybody agrees with me, here are my votes: PLIP 8 -

[Framework-Team] Re: first merges

2006-10-08 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi again. Wichert Akkerman wrote: If there are no objections I think we should merge these four PLIPs into trunk in the next couple of days: PLIP 8 - Versioning PLIP 118 - Portlets engine based on PlonePortlets and Viewlets

[Framework-Team] Re: merging florian's icon work

2006-12-03 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Are there any objections to merging the updated icon handling? The changes are quite small and they bring us a lot more flexibility. +1 for merging ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org

[Framework-Team] Re: Can I merge plone.memoize and plone.app.layout?

2006-12-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Hanno Schlichting wrote: Plone 2.5 branch - 5 requests/sec Plone 3.0 some days ago - 3.5 requests/sec Plone 3.0 right now - 4.0 requests/sec Plone 3.0 without old-style portlets - 6.0 requests/sec And as another reference: Plone 2.1 branch - 5.7 requests/sec Hanno P.S. I used ab

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Can I merge plone.memoize and plone.app.layout?

2006-12-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: So right now one easy way of getting some more performance is to turn the remaining old-style portlets into new-style ones. This will happen, it's mostly just manual work. The only hard one remaining is the calendar one, plus I want to make

[Framework-Team] Re: Can I merge plone.memoize and plone.app.layout?

2006-12-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Alexander Limi wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:47:37 -0800, Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we should move it to plone.app.controlpanel, though? I'm a bit worried about CMFPlone.browser becoming as big as CMFPlone/skins +1. The control panel stuff deserves its own space, and

[Framework-Team] Re: Revisited: Some preliminary Plone 3.0 profiling results

2006-12-07 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: My simple benchmark shows a boost in performance from 4.0 requests/sec to 5.2 requests/sec for a newly created site, which is now finally a tad bit faster then the Plone 2.5 branch. Wasn't it 6 requests/sec before? Yes, but that was as I

[Framework-Team] Re: Revisited: Some preliminary Plone 3.0 profiling results

2006-12-08 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi all. Hanno Schlichting wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: My simple benchmark shows a boost in performance from 4.0 requests/sec to 5.2 requests/sec for a newly created site, which is now finally a tad bit faster then the Plone 2.5 branch. Wasn't it 6 requests/sec

[Framework-Team] Re: Revisited: Some preliminary Plone 3.0 profiling results

2006-12-21 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi again. Martin Aspeli wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: Just as a small update. I did some changes to the way the date/time formatting works and some more optimizations in PTS and PloneTranslations. You should remove all the catalogs in the PTS Control Panel once, to get the whole

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP125 (link integrity) part II - redirect-on-move ready for merge

2006-12-23 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi guys, I've spent the past two days piecing together RedirectionTool and Whit's topp.rose product into something that meets the second half of PLIP125. Yeah, you rock as you always do! The first half is what Andreas is working on - warning when you're about to

[Framework-Team] Re: plip 149 (better markup support) request for merge

2006-12-28 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi Tom, Tom Lazar wrote: hi everybody, as of http://dev.plone.org/plone/changeset/11748 the last functional 'show stopper' for the markup plip has been removed IMHO and i have since been looking into re-implementing its control panel as a view. it seems that hannosch has already created

[Framework-Team] Re: wicked integration w/ plone 3

2007-01-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: whit wrote: does anyone have a good formlib example for a controlpanel that *doesn't* edit a cmf tool? plone.app.controlpanel has none? There are examples of formlib in plone.app.contentrules and plone.app.portlets.portlets, and Rocky has a formlib tutorial.

[Framework-Team] Re: ploneenv - Or how using workingenv for a common Zope2 project might look like ;-)

2007-02-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: I'm obviously for ploneenv/workingenv. I'm obviously a bit biased towards the buildout based approach since I worked on it, but I worked on it because I was never very happy with the way workingenv-in-instances worked. ploneenv makes that better and slicker, actually,

[Framework-Team] Re: ploneenv - Or how using workingenv for a common Zope2 project might look like ;-)

2007-02-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Daniel Nouri wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: Nope. Windows support for zopectl is a lot harder then just some path fiddling. But the real issue with it is not really something that is an argument for ploneout, I just took the time to implement it in it, it could be a separate package as well

[Framework-Team] wicked - lxml dependency?

2007-02-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Heya. I noticed that a lot of tests in wicked fail on my machine, as I don't have lxml installed. Is lxml a real dependency for the functionality we use in Plone or is it optional or only required to run the tests? Hanno P.S. I tried to install lxml via easy_install and while it claims to

[Framework-Team] Re: wicked - lxml dependency?

2007-02-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
whit wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: Is lxml a real dependency for the functionality we use in Plone or is it optional or only required to run the tests? it's used in the tests (to strip whitespace). iirc, any working version of libxml2 should work(both for the test and lxml, though lxml

Re: [Framework-Team] plone products leaders (v2)

2007-03-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi, Tom Lazar wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Thierry Benita wrote: What do you think of this idea ? Do you think that it is possible/affordable ? + 100 and thanks for the nice writeup, i think this initiative comes at a very good time, because on the one hand we definitely need to

[Framework-Team] Re: PloneErrorReporting

2007-03-25 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hello. Alec Mitchell wrote: On 3/25/07, Hanno Schlichting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Limi wrote: Could we please remove PloneErrorReporting from Plone 3.0? +1, as the current official maintainer I took the liberty to remove it from the release and the bundle. One stupid thing

[Framework-Team] Re: transforms

2007-09-09 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Thierry Benita wrote: Hi, A remark about transforms in Plone. atReal did a piece of work about transforms, with AROfficeTransforms, the last PastisSprint and some work in progress. We also work close to Hanno on the transform engine since the sprint. We are adding transforms to

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP #212: Use jQuery Javascript Library

2007-12-14 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martijn Pieters wrote: On Dec 13, 2007 5:13 PM, Andreas Zeidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, +1 from me, provided we're gonna have the wrapper for cssQuery and an easy way to switch back to the old implementation and the original cssQuery in case anybody

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 219: New site search implementation

2007-12-18 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Tom Lazar wrote: On 17.12.2007, at 09:47, Raphael Ritz wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: I want to propose PLIP 219: New site search implementation http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/219 Given the risk of breaking customizations which I consider significant (as search often gets

[Framework-Team] Re: Suggestion for adding Usecase information

2007-12-23 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Danny Bloemendaal wrote: After having waded through a big pile of plips I often (as a less technical oriented member) had problems determining what the actual usecase was that it was trying to solve. I would like to suggest (when thechcnically possible) to add such a section in a plip. I'd

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 195 implementation ready for review

2008-01-15 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Raphael Ritz wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: 2. Not sure it's the best possible UI to completely hide a product if a dependency is missing. [...] I'ld like some input from Hanno on that. What I did was update the isInstallable method in the quickinstaller tool, which seemed the logical place

[Framework-Team] Re: Translation effort for Plone 3.1

2008-02-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Alexander Limi wrote: However, Plone 3.0 ships with translation files that contain strings for both 2.5 and 3.0. We did a major cleanup in 3.0, killing off a lot of happytalk, and as a result, there's less fluff to translate. You probably see where I'm going with this, but: I'd like to

[Framework-Team] Re: Testing for PLIP 209: Unified Installer Plus Buildout

2008-02-14 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Florian Schulze wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:23:41 +0100, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously Florian Schulze wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:38:56 +0100, Raphael Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (i) when describing start/stop/status we might want to add 'fg' (foreground) as a

[Framework-Team] Re: Testing for PLIP 209: Unified Installer Plus Buildout

2008-02-14 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Raphael Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:38:56 +0100, Raphael Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (i) when describing start/stop/status we might want to add 'fg' (foreground) as a simple means to start in debug mode without

[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 3.2 plans

2008-08-03 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: The packaging goal we want to achieve is to move to a fully eggified release. Great! What isn't eggified yet? The products currently still in the 3.2 ploneout are: CMFActionIcons CMFCalendar, CMFDefault,

[Framework-Team] Re: Framework Team Page Needs Updating

2008-08-19 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Alexander Limi wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Raphael Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, this looks just fine. Are there only 5 members? I thought there were more. If not, ignore me. :) They are only five members in the current active team. It is

[Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-26 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Jon Stahl wrote: I'm wondering why this would be a task for the framework team? I'm open for suggestions about who else might take it on. I'd say the general development community. I think we have a bit of a problem in that we have no formally-designated leadership team for the codebase of

[Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-26 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi Jon. Jon Stahl wrote: However, there's really no definitive list of these that we can use to recruit more talent. I've just given you Trac admin rights, so you can have a look at https://dev.plone.org/plone/admin/ticket/components which is probably the best we have. I'm not quite sure what

[Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-27 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: It seems to me that not having continuity of architectural vision across releases, including the ability to remove broken / abandoned components, is a really dangerous place for Plone to be. I think there is architectural vision in Plone, but it

[Framework-Team] Re: Kicking off Plone 4: Release Manager candidate

2008-10-28 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Alexander Limi wrote: Hanno Schlichting has said that he'd like to be the release manager for Plone 4, and I'd like to formally propose him as a candidate for this role. Over the last couple of months, I have been considering to step up for the release manager job and have gotten positive

[Framework-Team] Re: 4.x team nomination

2008-11-07 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Would it be a good idea to collect the nominations in some place like the dev.plone.org/plone Wiki? I fear we might loose track of the nominations, when they come in over a couple of weeks. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list

[Framework-Team] [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. I've started to write up initial PLIP drafts for the major changes that have already been implemented on SVN trunk and that I want to do for 4.0. They can be found in Trac and are associated with the 4.0 milestone. They aren't supposed to be complete yet, but serve as a reminder to keep

[Framework-Team] Re: [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-24 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Jens W. Klein wrote: In your PLIPs you wrote i.e. here https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8593 to remove parts out of Plone the Product. I fully agree to remove features from the core! But I think if we do so, there should be a set of Managed Plone Products. Important add-ons like

[Framework-Team] Re: [plone4] Release process

2008-12-25 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Tres Seaver wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: - Plone 4 will have a documented upgrade story A migration from Plone 3 to 4 does not need to be possible in an almost fully automated fashion. We need to ensure we have an easy to follow and understandable documented upgrade story. If we

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP's for 3.x releases in Trac???

2008-12-26 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Matthew Wilkes wrote: On 25 Dec 2008, at 17:39, Hanno Schlichting wrote: we just decided to move all PLIP's to Trac for Plone 4 and no longer use plone.org/products/plone for it. Incidentally, I missed this, where was it discussed? Are we going to have

[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2

2009-01-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: Wichert - I'm assuming you've been away for the weekend, but once you get this, could you at least grant a few people, including me, PyPI access to Products.NuPlone? We then also need to make the 3.2.1 release that includes NuPlone ASAP. I just spoke to Wichert. He's on

[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2

2009-01-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, Why on earth is Products.NuPlone not in the Plone 3.2 egg? Is this in purpose or just a gross oversight? Ok, I've released Products.NuPlone 1.0b3. This one should be compatible with 3.2. You can use it straight away by adding

[Framework-Team] PLIP 237 ready for review

2009-01-18 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. I'm somewhat late with creating the review buildout for PLIP 237 (Minor i18n upgrades) at: https://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/review/plip237-minor-i18n-upgrades/ The review notes and detailed explanation is found in the review buildout's README.txt. The PLIP text at

[Framework-Team] Re: Final review report

2009-02-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Andreas Zeidler wrote: On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: This however, resulted in a 404. It turned out, that the view was only registered for IATFolder and IPloneSiteRoot, but not for `Large Plone Folder` a.ka. IATBTreeFolder. I took the liberty of `fixing this myself`__ ;-)

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 237 ready for review

2009-02-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Andreas Zeidler wrote: On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: I'm somewhat late with creating the review buildout for PLIP 237 (Minor i18n upgrades) at: https://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/review/plip237-minor-i18n-upgrades/ The review notes and detailed explanation is found

[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 3.3 PLIP merges

2009-02-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Wichert Akkerman wrote: In prepraration for the merges I have created a 3.3 plonenext branch; please use that to merge your work and test the results. Hanno Schlichting - PLIP 237: Minor i18n upgrades PLIP 237 is merged. New releases of PLT and PTS are made and plonenext is updated with new

[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 3.3 PLIP merges

2009-02-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2/19/09 8:59 AM, Raphael Ritz wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Now that the final reviews are in it's time to start merging. I disagree with the framework team results on one item: PLIP 243 is not ready for merging. It still suffers from a problematic unicode decore

[Framework-Team] Re: Quick team meeting

2009-03-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi Calvin. Thanks for taking the initiative here. I'll not gonna make it to todays tune-up nor the conf call, though :( Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: The next one is this Friday and I'd suggest that we meet at 17:00 GMT. I'll send out Yugma conference info so we can share desktops if needed.

[Framework-Team] Re: Quick team meeting

2009-03-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Ross Patterson wrote: Hanno Schlichting hanno...@hannosch.eu writes: Four of us (calvinhp, ErikRose, ErikRose, zenwryly) made it to the meeting and came up with a few things to act on. I'll briefly describe them here so we can discuss. Awesome! Some of the discussion centered around

[Framework-Team] Re: Fwd: Doodle: Link for poll Framework Team Meeting

2009-03-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Matthew Wilkes wrote: I've tried to include all the relevant possible times in this, let me know if there's another I should add. I'll be at PyCon in that week and have no idea what my time schedule is going to be. I'll try to join on whatever time others agree. In general I'll be on vacation

[Framework-Team] Re: Fwd: Doodle: Link for poll Framework Team Meeting

2009-03-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Matthew Wilkes wrote: On 13 Mar 2009, at 19:30, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Matthew Wilkes wrote: I've tried to include all the relevant possible times in this, let me know if there's another I should add. I'll be at PyCon in that week and have no idea what my time schedule is going

[Framework-Team] The new Plone 4.0, was Re: Plone 3.5

2009-05-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
and release a 4.0 release with the envisioned scope of this proposal instead. If I do not get a strong signal or message otherwise, consider this proposal changed in this regard. Hanno Hanno Schlichting wrote: Hi. While everyone is waiting for Plone 4 and its rather long timeline, some people

[Framework-Team] Re: Plone Messaging

2009-05-06 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Matt Hamilton wrote: On 6 May 2009, at 01:44, Ross Patterson wrote: These kind of messages are not largely or exclusively technically, marketing, or user oriented. They require a cohesion of all concerns. Maybe I'm trying to be structural about something that shouldn't be addressed that

[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 dependencies

2009-06-01 Thread Hanno Schlichting
David Glick wrote: We'll also have to consider what happens with the version numbers of the various plone.* packages which Hanno has been calling 2.x for use with Plone trunk...in most cases the changes are probably fine for Plone 4 and we can just keep using 2.x, but if there is a package

[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 dependencies

2009-06-01 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Matthew Wilkes wrote: Perhaps the question we should be asking is, What do we want the new features for Plone 5 to be?. I think moving to browser views for default templates would be useful, if not just so it unifies our customisation story. On the concrete example given, quite high-up on

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIPs in Trac

2009-06-18 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Maurits van Reesmaur...@vanrees.org wrote: I do not really mind either way.  But I talked with Jean-Paul Ladage about this today and he is right in saying that end users wanting to know the future of Plone will look at the roadmap on plone.org and they will not

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: update on supporting Python 2.6 / Zope 2.12 / CMF 2.2

2009-06-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Martin Aspelioptilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: - c20188, c20190, c23197 — removal of PloneFolder (hannosch) — need to  double check whether this requires a migration for any persistent  objects, and write that if necessary +0 to remove. There's no persistent

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP deadline overly aggressive?

2009-06-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com wrote: Isn't 4.0 deliberately a short-hop release, with minimal new feautres, mostly intended to move the platform forward (to modern versions of Zope, Python, CMF)?  Keeping the window short emphasizes that fact, at least to my

Re: [Framework-Team] update on supporting Python 2.6 / Zope 2.12 / CMF 2.2

2009-06-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:47 AM, David Glickdavidgl...@onenw.org wrote: - The current situation with regard to PlacelessTranslationService needs to be reviewed to make sure that our language negotiator and product i18n dirs are still getting registered properly following simplification/removal

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Working out a timeline

2009-06-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Eric Steeleems...@psu.edu wrote: Ok, so I promised a draft timeline before our meeting on Tuesday. Here's what I've got: - Aug 16 initial implementation - Aug 30 first review due - Sept 13 revisions due - Sept 27 review of revisions / vote - Oct 4 Alpha 1

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone 4] Zope 2.12 status

2009-07-02 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Andreas Zeidlera...@zitc.de wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:22 PM, David Glick wrote: On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: - sort out image traversal stuff / linkintegrity (image scales are now found via an IPublishTraverse adapter rather than

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone 4] PLIP #9249 Add TinyMCE as the default visual editor

2009-07-29 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Martin Aspelioptilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: The whole point of the agreement and the conservatory is that we have a solid legal basis. I would really like to see an informed legal opinion on the requirements for moving existing code to

Re: [Framework-Team] today's meeting

2009-07-29 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:26 PM, David Glickdavidgl...@onenw.org wrote: A couple things I'd like to talk about: * Upgrade policy.  Currently Plone 3 supports migrations from Plone = 2.0.5.  I was hoping to be able to do that for Plone 4 as well, but there is a tradeoff.  Plone 4 no longer has

Re: [Framework-Team] Minutes: 8 August 2009

2009-08-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Erik Rosepsuc...@grinchcentral.com wrote:  * All the globalization in templates is gone now, and Plone's   templates have been updated to not use it. This originated in the   5.x branch as a speed optimization, but does it deliver? It's   going to break a lot

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Minutes: 8 August 2009

2009-08-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com wrote: Alec Mitchell wrote: Perhaps we could find some clever way to deprecate access to the globalized attributes (e.g. make them all lazy lookups and issue a warning on first access)? There is an example of this pattern in

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIPs and plone.pot

2009-09-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Steve McMahon st...@dcn.org wrote: It looks like I'd need to branch collective/PloneTranslations, then branch plone.app.locales in order to make the externals point to the new collective/PloneTranslations branch. But, I don't see a sign that anyone's ever done

[Framework-Team] Plone 4 - holidays are over :)

2010-01-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Heya. Some of us have been busy over the holiday season and worked a bit more on Plone 4. The next question now is: What is missing for a beta release? I'll allow myself to give my opinion on that. Eric feel free to disagree, it's your call :) In general I think Plone 4 is in good overall

[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)

2010-01-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
A quick poll in #plone-framework showed that myself and Messrs. Glick and Clark had never heard of bin/instance console. We need to document the crap out of that. Eh, how do you guys start an instance without the forced debug mode of fg? You don't use start for that, do you? Since when

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)

2010-01-06 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk wrote: 2010/1/6 Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net: So are they the same or not? If so, then we can stop feeling like idiots for missing 'bin/instance console' and continuing to use runzope ;-) I'm getting the impression 'bin/instance

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Body class

2010-01-17 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote: On 2010-1-17 16:52, Hanno Schlichting wrote: mark_view have_portlets hide_columns renderBase bodyClass is_view_template or whatever it is that manages IViewView. We've found it to be very painful to manage

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Body class

2010-01-17 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote: class MyView(BrowserView):    def __call__(self):        return aq_inner(self.context).some_template() and make sure that IViewView is set when some_template is rendered. Currently that is impossible since mark_view

Re: [Framework-Team] Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.

2010-03-09 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Eric Steele ems...@psu.edu wrote: I've just finished getting the last bits of 4.0b1 to wherever they need to be. I'll give it another 24 hours of soft-release before handing it over to the installers folks to make sure everything is there. If I understand this

Re: [Framework-Team] Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.

2010-03-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk wrote: What happened in the 3.x series, I thought the 3.0 team stayed on. No. One member of the team stayed on from the 3.0 team for the 3.1 team. The 3.1 team then stayed the same for the 3.2 and 3.3 releases. The main idea here

[Framework-Team] Plone 5 - rough roadmap

2010-03-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi there, with Plone 4 beta 1 out the door and the 4.0 framework team having done its job, it's time to look ahead into the future a bit. Eric has started the discussion around Plone 4.1 already, I'll let him drive that process :) But I had a look at the PLIP's we have seen and feature

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 5 - rough roadmap

2010-03-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk wrote: On 12 March 2010 15:07, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: Currently listed for Plone 4.x are things like: ... - Well formed, valid XHTML (as a foundation for easier theming via xdv) Just to note that xdv uses

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 5 - rough roadmap

2010-03-15 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Alexander Limi l...@plone.org wrote: We could also take a page from how Firefox is looking to change their release management strategy, ie. landing stuff that has only infrastructural impact in a 4.x release (out-of-process plugins in FF's example, which will

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 5 - rough roadmap

2010-03-15 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Nate Aune na...@jazkarta.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: - ... tons of new or better features What about Amberjack for self-guided tours/help? http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9324 The entire list

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 5 - rough roadmap

2010-03-16 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote: I'ld like to see a list of pros and cons of using HTML 5 as well. I am quite worried by the lack of proper support in existing browsers. None of them implement any of the existing HTML standards properly, and I fear

[Framework-Team] PLIP 10359 for Plone 4.1 - Convert control panels to use z3c.form

2010-03-20 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi there, I've written a new PLIP that I'll hope to submit for Plone 4.1 Convert control panels to use z3c.form available at http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/10359. I'll start the work on the PLIP shortly, so if anyone sees any major problems with it or has other suggestions, I'd welcome any

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 10359 for Plone 4.1 - Convert control panels to use z3c.form

2010-03-21 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest we use the dict context (implement getContent() and return a dict) instead of all those adapters to get/set values as we do presently. Ok. I'll have a look at that. Those adapters only exist, as the

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 10359 for Plone 4.1 - Convert control panels to use z3c.form

2010-03-21 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, David Glick davidgl...@groundwire.org wrote: On 3/21/10 7:40 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest we use the dict context (implement getContent() and return a dict) instead

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 10359 for Plone 4.1 - Convert control panels to use z3c.form

2010-03-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: David Glick wrote: So I guess it's not clear to me that there is one best practice, or at least not one that is best in all circumstances. To me at least, the idea that we pick an arbitrary context (the Plone site

Re: [Framework-Team] Documenting the process

2010-03-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Eric Steele ems...@psu.edu wrote: I'm finding that I'm consistently wrong about how I think whole Plone thing works. Every assumption I had coming into this job has been met with some sort of No, we have a process. It's just not documented. Let's fix that.

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Documenting the process

2010-03-24 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. 2010/3/24 Israel Saeta Pérez dukeb...@gmail.com: http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-core-developer-reference is the place for this kind of documentation. I'd prefer to keep all documentation in the same place instead of spreading it over plone.org and the Trac wiki. I talked

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 5 - rough roadmap

2010-03-24 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Jon Stahl jonst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: If someone has a really great name, I'd consider it, but I think the ship may've sailed. Renaming now is likely to cause a lot of confusion.

[Framework-Team] Zope 2 is alive

2010-03-31 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi there, for those not following the zope-dev mailing list, see https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2010-March/039880.html I've taken it on me to serve as Zope 2.12's and 2.13's release manager. I'm planning to make a new Zope 2.12.4 release on Easter monday in time for our next 4.0 beta.

Re: [Framework-Team] Documenting the process

2010-04-26 Thread Hanno Schlichting
2010/4/26 Israel Saeta Pérez dukeb...@gmail.com: Any progress here? It would be very, very helpful for GSoC... :) Not much. I started by copying over the bits from various sources into one place, so all we had written down somewhere is now at http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/Development. The core

Re: [Framework-Team] Upcoming Plone 4.0 releases

2010-05-14 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Eric Steele ems...@psu.edu wrote: So here's where we stand, from my viewpoint... 1) Plone 4.0 is feeling like a nearly-finished product (Great job, everyone!) Indeed, much kudos to our tireless release manager! 2) Everyone is getting sick of working on it

Re: [Framework-Team] Improving the process -- PLIP UI and Documentation

2010-05-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/22 Eric Steele ems...@psu.edu: FWT! I want to introduce two additions to the PLIP process that I'd like us to add into the Plone 4.1 process. +1 to both +1 as well Hanno

Re: [Framework-Team] Improving the process -- PLIP UI and Documentation

2010-05-22 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote: how about documenting and publishing the FWT process? (E.g. Something like http://admin.plone.org/) I've heard rumblings that Hanno was going to do this… I started this, it's ongoing work, but currently getting 4.0 to final

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone-developers] Upcoming Plone 4.0 releases

2010-05-23 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: #10365 / #10366 - @@blob-file-migration fails on migrated site #10549 - Uncaught NotFound exception in plone.app.linkintegrity when page contains some @@{view} links I fixed both of these today

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