Re: [Framework-Team] The new Plone 4.0, was Re: Plone 3.5

2009-05-05 Thread Eric Steele
On May 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Hi. To summarize the feedback from the European time zone, I think that the proposal in general meets the favor of everyone. The controversial issue is the exact version number to use for the release. There seems to be broad support for

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 2009: Going from here

2009-05-07 Thread Eric Steele
Since the new Plone 4 is looking like, essentially, a "transitional" release, another possibility would be to pull its framework team members from each of the currently-existing teams. Eric On May 7, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: Let me ask what the level of enthusiasm is in the c

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 2009: Going from here

2009-05-10 Thread Eric Steele
) Eric On May 8, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: On May 8, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Raphael Ritz wrote: Eric Steele wrote: Since the new Plone 4 is looking like, essentially, a "transitional" release, another possibility would be to pull its framework team members from e

[Framework-Team] Re: congratulations, Eric Steele: release manager for "the new" Plone 4!

2009-06-01 Thread Eric Steele
Jon, Thank you. It's an honor to serve, though I'll readily admit that I'm still a tad freaked about the whole thing. Now that our symposium is over, I can start to actually focus on what we'll need to accomplish. This is the one and only Plone-related thing I'm doing today -- my brain is

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

2009-06-04 Thread Eric Steele
Alright folks... now that I'm officially official, it's time we sat down and talked. I'd like to get some sort of phone/iChat/Skype conference together. We're never going to get 11 geographically-diverse people together at the same time, but it'd be great to find something that works for th

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

2009-06-08 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Matthew Wilkes wrote: On 5 Jun 2009, at 03:56, Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: Based on the responses, generally folks are available Monday and Tuesday at 2:00PM US/Eastern time. This works for me, how about the rest? Sure, shall we set a proper date then? Matt

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Getting Started

2009-06-08 Thread Eric Steele
FWT! A few notes as we start to spin up the Plone 4 process... In contrast to the release-previously-known-as-Plone-4[1], this Plone 4 will be aggressive in its timeline, not its featureset. Though the details still need to be worked out, I'd like to see a release by December 1st, with at

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs in Trac

2009-06-20 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: ... I wrote a big reply to Matt, and ditched it. +100 to everything you said. :) I'd suggest that: a) We now formally ask PLIP authors to write to the plone-dev list (not this list!) announcing their PLIPs and

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] June 23, 2009 Framework Team Meeting

2009-06-20 Thread Eric Steele
FWT! We have a conference call scheduled for Tuesday, June 23 at 2PM EST (1800 UTC). The Foundation Board has given me the go-ahead to try out some different international conference calling solutions in an attempt to avoid the Skype debacle that was our last meeting. I've set up a meetin

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Working out a timeline

2009-06-21 Thread Eric Steele
Ok, so I promised a draft timeline before our meeting on Tuesday. Here's what I've got: - Aug 16 initial implementation - Aug 30 first review due - Sept 13 revisions due - Sept 27 review of revisions / vote - Oct 4 Alpha 1 release - Oct 25 Beta 1 Release (or directly after the conference?) - Dec

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Working out a timeline

2009-06-22 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 22, 2009, at 6:31 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Eric Steele wrote: Ok, so I promised a draft timeline before our meeting on Tuesday. Here's what I've got: - Aug 16 initial implementation - Aug 30 first review due - Sept 13 revisions due

Re: [Framework-Team] Meeting tomorrow

2009-06-22 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 22, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Matthew Wilkes wrote: Hello all, To confirm, are we meeting at 1800 UTC on #plone-framework tomorrow? Matt Matt, We'll be attempting a phone conference in order to avoid the Skype mess we had the last time. See http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/framework-team/

[Framework-Team] Plone 4 FWT meeting summary 2009-06-23

2009-06-23 Thread Eric Steele
Present: - David Glick - Alec Mitchell - Ross Patterson - Raphael Ritz - Erik Rose - Eric Steele - Matthew Wilkes Discussion: * Eric needs a new headset. * Haven't heard from Calvin lately. Eric will check in with him. * We have 57 PLIPs to evaluate, more than any previous version of

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4 FWT meeting summary 2009-06-23

2009-06-24 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 23, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: On Jun 23, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Eric Steele wrote: * Haven't heard from Calvin lately. Eric will check in with him. Sorry for the radio silence, I'm even the one that suggested Tuesdays at 2PM EDT :-) The last two mee

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP Change Mailing List

2009-06-24 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: All the 4.0 PLIPs now have plip-advisor...@lists.plone.org in the CC list. If you want to subscribe, visit: http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plip-advisories Most were added in the last few minutes, so previous activity is not in the

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Framework Team PLIP votes (and scheduling)

2009-06-27 Thread Eric Steele
Alec has been kind enough to set up a Google spreadsheet for tracking PLIP votes (hat tip also to Matt for suffering through the creation of a Trac version that we dumped). It's publicly viewable at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rR4UAIObeTZtdUExfYophHw . Plone 4 FWT members should ha

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] FWT meeting June 30, 2009

2009-06-29 Thread Eric Steele
Since I haven't received updated availability from everyone, we're going to stick with our normal day and time (Tuesday, 18:00 UTC) for this week's conference call. This week's agenda: PLIPs. Call details are at http://bit.ly/1akaCu We're 58% of the way through the voting process. Let's get

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone 4] FWT meeting June 30, 2009

2009-06-29 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Eric Steele wrote: We're 58% of the way through the voting process. Let's get those finished up! Correction, we're 45% done. *prod* *prod* ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists

Re: [Framework-Team] Having Hanno around

2009-06-30 Thread Eric Steele
I'd asked him about this early on in the process, his response was basically that he'd rather not and he looked forward to removing everything we'd done when Plone 5 rolled around. It wouldn't hurt to ask again, though. Eric On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Erik Rose wrote: It occurred to me d

Re: [Framework-Team] Having Hanno around

2009-06-30 Thread Eric Steele
On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Eric Steele wrote: I'd asked him about this early on in the process, his response was basically that he'd rather not and he looked forward to removing everything we'd done when Plone

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Zope 2.12 status

2009-07-01 Thread Eric Steele
David, I completely forgot to ask about your migration progress yesterday during our meeting. Would you mind giving us a quick update on where you stand? Any blockers that we could help you with? Thanks, Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list Frame

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] FWT Meeting 8 July 2009.

2009-07-06 Thread Eric Steele
This week's meeting will be Wednesday, July 8 at 19:00 UTC. We have a few outstanding PLIP matters to discuss. Are there other items for the agenda? Call info is at http://bit.ly/eTSg9. Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plo

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] July 15, 2009 FWT Meeting notes

2009-07-16 Thread Eric Steele
Apologies for missing a few weeks of recaps. I'm going to start volunteering people to do these... Attending: David, Raphael, Eric, Erik, Alec, Ross Short meeting this week. Work is getting started. We have at least 4 PLIPs being worked on at the moment. 5 weeks remaining. Divvied up rem

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] archetypes.schematuning

2009-07-17 Thread Eric Steele
I've asked Jens and Hedley to resubmit their archetypes.schematuning PLIP as it was one of the more interesting ones from the old roadmap that didn't make it into Trac. Please take a look at their proposal, I'd like to get your opinions on this one. https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9376 E

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] PLIP #9305

2009-07-25 Thread Eric Steele
Laurens sent me a document outlining how he plans to implement his PLIP (#9305: Use real names instead of usernames) and asked that I forward it along to the FWT to see if it meets your approval. I've attached it to his ticket at https://dev.plone.org/plone/attachment/ticket/9305/Fullname%20p

Re: [Framework-Team] today's meeting

2009-07-29 Thread Eric Steele
On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:26 PM, David Glick wrote: A couple things I'd like to talk about: * Upgrade policy. Currently Plone 3 supports migrations from Plone <= 2.0.5. I was hoping to be able to do that for Plone 4 as well, but there

Re: [Framework-Team] today's meeting

2009-07-29 Thread Eric Steele
On Jul 29, 2009, at 12:26 PM, David Glick wrote: ... * PLIP handoffs. What sort of info do we expect from PLIP authors when they submit their PLIPs? For my 3.3 PLIPs I did a writeup like http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/review/plip240-locking-improvements/PLIP_240_README.txt ...now that I'm i

[Framework-Team] #9310 (User registration process more flexible)

2009-08-04 Thread Eric Steele
FWT, As previously noted, https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9310 has been abandoned by the implementer due to time constraints. Given the current state of the code and the scope of the proposal, we're not going see this one completed for 4.0. I'd like to see if we can get *something* int

Re: [Framework-Team] Good spot for documentation of ready-for-review plip?

2009-08-06 Thread Eric Steele
Yes, sorry. I'd meant to send out an email detailing this procedure for everyone. I'll be sure to do that shortly. The FWT decided that a readme placed in the 4.0 buildout's plips folder would be preferred. Bonus points for linking to it (or the changeset that adds it) in your PLIP ticket.

[Framework-Team] PLIPs ready for review

2009-08-11 Thread Eric Steele
FWT, We have 3 PLIPs that are ready for review with quite a few more not far behind. https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9259 https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9263 https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9264 I'll be keeping our spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rR4UAIObeTZtdUE

[Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] Adding dependency on plone.registry

2009-08-14 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Geir Bækholt wrote: In our work on the collections-PLIPs: #9283 and #9295 https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9283 https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9295 …we have found a need to persistently store configuration data. Our options are: 1) either to write a new pers

Re: [Framework-Team] Status of PLIP 9315 — Ne w theme for Plone 4

2009-08-17 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:17 AM, Matthew Wilkes wrote: ... • A theme skeleton — plonetheme.sunburst — that Denys checked in for me while I was flying across the Atlantic. Unfortunately this is just a blank skeleton still, since I can't get Plone running at the moment. How does this relate to

[Framework-Team] PLIPs ready for review

2009-08-17 Thread Eric Steele
The following 27 PLIPs have been indicated as being ready for review: 7822Make standard file content types use ZODB BLOB support 8801Move action icon support into actions, remove CMFActionIcons 8802Move our upgrade / migration infrastructure to GenericSetup 8808Require Python 2.5

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs ready for review

2009-08-17 Thread Eric Steele
Since we've only had 4 spots claimed today, I'll put all of this another way... last one to get their 6 PLIPs picked has to review David's Zope migration. :P Eric On Aug 17, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Eric Steele wrote: The following 27 PLIPs have been indicated as being ready fo

[Framework-Team] Reminder: August 19th Conference call

2009-08-18 Thread Eric Steele
FWT, Just a reminder that we have a conference call Wednesday, August 19 at 19:00 UTC. We'll be divvying up the remaining PLIP review duties, considering who else to bring in to help shoulder the load, and reevaluating our timeline. Don't forget to choose your PLIP review assignments at h

[Framework-Team] FWT Meeting minutes - Sept 2, 2009

2009-09-02 Thread Eric Steele
In the call: Eric Steele, Alec Mitchell, Ross Patterson, Erik Rose, Laurence Rowe, David Glick * We're really behind on reviews, unfortunately we'll have to add another week. Eric will email the dev list to alert everyone of the change. * We need everyone to cover at least 8 r

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP load test reports available

2009-09-06 Thread Eric Steele
Thanks so much for doing these Ross! These Plone 4 vs previous versions comparisons are going to be great for marketing. I'll put out a post touting our progress on Tuesday (was going to do it Friday, but didn't want to see it swallowed up by the holiday weekend here in the US). One thing

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP load test reports available

2009-09-06 Thread Eric Steele
On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Ross Patterson wrote: Eric Steele writes: ... One thing we need to keep in mind with the PLIP comparisons is that many of them haven't merged in changes to CMFPlone and other packages since they did their initial branches so that may be one of the factors in

[Framework-Team] Reminder: PLIP reviews due Wednesday

2009-09-06 Thread Eric Steele
FWT, A reminder that the our deadline for PLIP reviews is this Wednesday. We're still far short of having a suitable set of reviews. Completed so far: David Glick:5 of 7 Calvin HP: 0 of 6 Alec Mitchell: 5 of 6 Ross Patterson: 0 of 6 Raphael Ritz: 0 of 0? Er

[Framework-Team] Framework Team: Time is short, we need your reviews.

2009-09-08 Thread Eric Steele
Ross Patterson 9311 Clean up of user related actions UI Matthew Wilkes 9321 Reimplement the search form with an eye on usability Erik Rose 9330Add ability to choose role when adding new site members Eric Steele 9352 Search

[Framework-Team] FWT Meeting Minutes - Sept 9, 2009

2009-09-10 Thread Eric Steele
Attending: Eric Steele, Alec Mitchell, Ross Patterson, Erik Rose, David Glick Absent: Calvin HP, Laurence Rowe, Raphael Ritz, Matthew Wilkes * Break deadlines into chunks. Some of these need more review than others. * Alec will pick up #9309. Ask Vincent Fretin to guest-review. (Later

Re: [Framework-Team] Framework Team: Time is short, we need your reviews.

2009-09-11 Thread Eric Steele
f any of other devs would like to assist the FWT in finishing up this already-past-due review process, please contact me and I'll be happy to get you started. Thanks, Eric On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Eric Steele wrote: Framework Team, Friendly cajoling has not produced results, so

Re: [Framework-Team] reminder: review them PLIPs!

2009-09-15 Thread Eric Steele
On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:43 PM, David Glick wrote: Hello fellow team members. I wanted to remind you all that our next meeting, when we can hopefully make decisions on another round of PLIPs, is coming up in about 40 hours. There are still many reviews outstanding (almost no progress has

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-cvs] r29756 - plone.app.layout/branches/2.0/plone/app/layout/viewlets

2009-09-17 Thread Eric Steele
Correct. Please branch. Eric On Sep 17, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: That needs to throught the FWT at the very least. You can't just change that markup structure without some approval process - this can break every third party theme. On 2009-9-17 08:04, Alexander Limi wrote:

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Framework Team M inutes – Sept 16, 2009

2009-09-22 Thread Eric Steele
Attending: Eric Steele, Alec Mitchell, Ross Patterson, Erik Rose, Laurence Rowe, David Glick Absent: Calvin HP, Raphael Ritz, Matthew Wilkes #7822: Concerns over benchmarking results. http://weblion.psu.edu/static/loadtesting/plone4.0/diff_ReadOnly-20090916T_055113-plip7822-blob

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Framework Team Minutes - Sept 23, 2009

2009-09-23 Thread Eric Steele
Attending: Eric Steele, Erik Rose, Ross Patterson, Alec Mitchell, David Glick Absent: Calvin HP, Raphael Ritz, Matthew Wilkes, Laurence Rowe Short meeting as everyone is still recovering from initial review period. • So what now? • Eric's been preoccupied this week and d

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Final PLIP reviewing and voting

2009-09-24 Thread Eric Steele
FWT!, It's final review time for 4.0. We currently have 6 PLIPs awaiting final review and merge vote: 9186Set Image IDs from Title field 9259Group dashboards 9285Show blocked portlets in management interface 9263GenericSetup syntax for importing Sharing page roles 9272Expo

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [Plone 4] Final PLIP reviewing and voting

2009-09-24 Thread Eric Steele
On Sep 24, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Eric Steele wrote: FWT!, It's final review time for 4.0. We currently have 6 PLIPs awaiting final review and merge vote: 9186Set Image IDs from Title field 9259Group dashboards 9285Show blocked portlets in management inte

[Framework-Team] plone.registry and z3c.form

2009-09-25 Thread Eric Steele
Following up on the discussion of including these in Plone 4... The Framework team opinion is that they like them both, and will include them in Plone 4, but with the reservation that they wished they'd gone through a full PLIP process. Personally, I'm in favor of including both. I've used

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Death to the roadmap page?

2009-09-28 Thread Eric Steele
with the release descriptions there. Eric Steele and Yours Truly have volunteered for this task, but we didn't want to do it until 3.3 was out. Now it is, and the old roadmap page can be retired. I don't think we need to involve Mark and others in this particular case — they

Re: [Framework-Team] Plip #9321, was: PLIP9311, postpone final implementation deadline

2009-10-01 Thread Eric Steele
On Oct 1, 2009, at 3:45 AM, Carsten Senger wrote: Hi all, --On Donnerstag, Oktober 01, 2009 09:13:01 +0200 Kim Chee leong wrote: Hello framework team, Today is the final implementation deadline for the PLIPs. I'm working on PLIP 9311 'Clean up user related actions'. I would like to request

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Final Voting for Plone 4.0

2009-10-01 Thread Eric Steele
FWT, It's time to start voting on PLIPs again. We're looking for up or down votes on each of the submissions. The following PLIPs have updated reviews and are ready for your vote. A reminder that we've agreed that we need a minimum of 5 votes for each PLIP . Please record your vote in the

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Final Voting for Plone 4.0

2009-10-02 Thread Eric Steele
On Oct 2, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote: Hi, Could you please add PLIP #9309 Better search for East Asian (multi- byte) languages on the list? http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9309 Finally, we have fixed followings issues which were point out in the first review. - All monke

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Final Voting for Plone 4.0

2009-10-02 Thread Eric Steele
On Oct 2, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Eric Steele wrote: The following PLIPs have updated reviews and are ready for your vote. i think #9316 is missing from the list. i was running a bit late, but granted an extra day (hope you remember :)), and

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Tomorrow's meeting, PLIP reviews/voting, and Raphael

2009-10-06 Thread Eric Steele
FWT! Just a reminder that I'd really like to have all of your votes in by tomorrow's meeting (same time, same place). We'll hammer out any remaining voting questions and discuss what happens next. Two PLIPs have passed the acceptance threshold: 9249Add TinyMCE as the default visual edit

[Framework-Team] Plone 4.0 Voting finished!

2009-10-09 Thread Eric Steele
Now that I have Erik's votes in (and, for the sake of time, have decided to overrule Matthew's remaining votes on the remaining two PLIPs in contention), we at last have a full list of accepted PLIPs: 7822Make standard file content types use ZODB BLOB support 8801Move action icon supp

Re: [Framework-Team] how to resolve this merge conflict? (PLIP 9310)

2009-10-12 Thread Eric Steele
On Oct 12, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Kees Hink wrote: Merging the branch for PLIP 9310 into the 4.0 branch for CMFPlone, i ran into a conflict i wasn't able to resolve: http://pastie.org/ 652138 The bottom line is, 'svn resolve --accept working' doesn't resolve that last conflict. Does anyone know

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Meeting Minutes – Oct 14, 2009

2009-10-15 Thread Eric Steele
Attending: Alec Mitchell,Ross Patterson, Eric Steele, David Glick Absent: Erik Rose, Laurence Rowe, Matthew Wilkes • Sprints we want to promote after the conference • Add-on sprint: • Make sure popular products are ready to ship with Plone 4 ie

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4] Framework Team Meeting Minutes - Oct 5, 2009

2009-10-15 Thread Eric Steele
Attending: David Glick, Alec Mitchell,Ross Patterson, Eric Steele, Erik Rose, Laurence Rowe, Matthew Wilkes Absent: None * Raphael and Calvin. * Raphael has informed Eric that he'll have to leave the FWT due to time constraints. * Calvin has asked for a leave-of-absence

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP9311 status

2009-10-16 Thread Eric Steele
On Oct 16, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Kim Chee leong wrote: Hi, Just saw the FWT minute meetings and I would like to update you on PLIP9311 status. Most of the work is done. What still needs to be done are a part of the tests and according to the second review the password form isn't working. I've got th

[Framework-Team] FWT, Let's meet up

2009-10-28 Thread Eric Steele
For those of you in Budapest, I'd like to try to get together for a bit to 1) just actually meet you face-to-face 2) talk about which sprints we want to promote/run this weekend 3) buy you each a beer Think we can make that work? Eric ___ Framework-T

[Framework-Team] Plone 4 FWT meeting - Nov 11

2009-11-10 Thread Eric Steele
Gents, I'd like to talk to you all tomorrow during our regular time. There are a few final features being bandied about that we should discuss. I'd also like to talk about the early release schedule. Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework

[Framework-Team] No FWT meeting Nov 18 or 25

2009-11-17 Thread Eric Steele
Since there's really nothing to discuss worth dragging everyone out of their routines tomorrow, let's skip this week's meeting. I'll be traveling next week, so I'm happy to skip that one as well. I'll touch base on IRC in 2 weeks and see if there's reason for us to meet. Eric ___

[Framework-Team] Discontinuing the conference calls

2009-12-01 Thread Eric Steele
FWT! After getting agreement from 50% of the team on IRC today, we'll just forgo the remainder of our conference calls. If anyone feels the need before 4.0 drops, we'll jump back into them. Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@list

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4 - holidays are over :)

2010-01-04 Thread Eric Steele
On Jan 4, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Heya. > > Some of us have been busy over the holiday season and worked a bit > more on Plone 4. The next question now is: > > What is missing for a beta release? > > I'll allow myself to give my opinion on that. Eric feel free to > disagree

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4 - holidays are over :)

2010-01-06 Thread Eric Steele
On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: > Regarding the AJAX dialog problems, I just haven't gotten to those because of > holiday busyness. I've watched them as they've come in, and they all look > like they should be easily fixable. I'll make every effort to get to them > soon! > > I'

[Framework-Team] User Preferences Form

2010-01-11 Thread Eric Steele
FWT, Back in December, I asked Kees to think about what would be involved in modifying the two user preferences forms (prefs_user_details and personalize_form) to function in a way similar to the new registration forms. It seemed silly that we had this nice new, extensible way to add and remove

[Framework-Team] Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.

2010-03-08 Thread Eric Steele
I've just finished getting the last bits of 4.0b1 to wherever they need to be. I'll give it another 24 hours of soft-release before handing it over to the installers folks to make sure everything is there. If I understand this whole Plone process correctly (and I'm not at all sure I do), this me

[Framework-Team] Re: A suggestion to egg on add-on product authors

2010-03-11 Thread Eric Steele
Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :) Eric On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Jon Stahl wrote: > Bravo! > > Eric, can I suggest that you take the opportunity of the beta release > to send out an email from "The Release Manager" to the wider Plone > community in which you specifically remind

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: A suggestion to egg on add-on product authors

2010-03-11 Thread Eric Steele
On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Eric Steele wrote: > Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :) > > Eric On second thought, I'll hold off on this until we have installers available. Eric___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-T

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 5 - rough roadmap

2010-03-15 Thread Eric Steele
On Mar 15, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Nate Aune wrote: > What about Amberjack for self-guided tours/help? > http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9324 > > Is that still on the roadmap for landing in Plone 4.1? It certainly is if someone resubmits it. I asked the implementers to continue developing it outsi

[Framework-Team] Documenting the process

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Steele
I'm finding that I'm consistently wrong about how I think whole Plone thing works. Every assumption I had coming into this job has been met with some sort of "No, we have a process. It's just not documented". Let's fix that. I'm looking for some help in actually writing down the process of how a

[Framework-Team] Spinning up a UI team

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Steele
It's my understanding that, traditionally, each (or at least most) incarnation of the Framework Team included a UI-focused member who would weigh in on such concerns during the PLIP review process. The 4.0 team did not include such a person (which based on the number of PLIPs we had, probably sa

[Framework-Team] 4.0b3 Due 28 April

2010-04-20 Thread Eric Steele
For those who haven't seen my message in plone-dev, we're pushing the deadline for b3 back a week. Between the slight delay in starting the packaging and the 2 days of soft-release, b2 really hasn't had enough time in the wild to make a difference. This will give us some extra time to wrap up th

[Framework-Team] Upcoming Plone 4.0 releases

2010-05-13 Thread Eric Steele
So here's where we stand, from my viewpoint... 1) Plone 4.0 is feeling like a nearly-finished product (Great job, everyone!) 2) Everyone is getting sick of working on it So let's get an RC1 on the schedule and get this thing out the door. Despite our fine history of making big-name releases duri

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone-developers] Upcoming Plone 4.0 releases

2010-05-20 Thread Eric Steele
I need to do some backtracking on my previous release plans... First and foremost, I've completely overestimated the time I'd have available this week. Preparing for next week's symposium has eaten all of my available time and I'll be unable to cut a b4 beforehand. I absolutely hate being the p

[Framework-Team] Improving the process -- PLIP UI and Documentation

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Steele
FWT! I want to introduce two additions to the PLIP process that I'd like us to add into the Plone 4.1 process. UI: I'm pleased to announce that Plone now (finally/once-again?) has a UI Team. Alex will be heading up the effort alongside Geir Baekholt, Denys Mishunov, Sisi Nutt, and Nathan Van

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.x Framework Team Nominations Open

2010-05-23 Thread Eric Steele
On May 22, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: ... > If you're interested or would like to nominate someone, please send an > introductory note, explaining you or your nominee's interest and > qualifications, to framework-t...@lists.plone.org. Postings from > non-subscribers are rejected, so

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone-developers] Plone 4.x Framework Team Nominations Open

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Steele
I'd like to put in a nomination for Elizabeth Leddy for the 4.x Framework Team. Elizabeth has been working with Plone for quite some time now, but only recently popped up on the community radar at the 2009 conference. Her "Unloading Plone" talk was hailed as a conference highlight. Since then s

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Members Named

2010-07-01 Thread Eric Steele
On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: > Congratulations, and thanks, to the members of the new Plone 4.x Framework > Team: > Alec Mitchell > Ross Patterson > Laurence Rowe > Matthew Wilkes > Martijn Pieters > Rob Gietema > Elizabeth Leddy > Craig A. Haynal Congratulations, all! I'm lo

[Framework-Team] [Plone 4.1] Framework Team, let's chat

2010-07-08 Thread Eric Steele
(I believe everyone is signed up for the FWT list, but cc'ing Craig and Elizabeth, just in case) Once again, congratulations to all of our new and returning Framework Team members! Now that 4.0 is nearing RC status, it's time for us to start talking about the future. I'd like to kick things o

Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone 4.1] Framework Team, let's chat

2010-07-09 Thread Eric Steele
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Eric Steele wrote: > (I believe everyone is signed up for the FWT list, but cc'ing Craig and > Elizabeth, just in case) > > Once again, congratulations to all of our new and returning Framework Team > members! Now that 4.0 is nearing RC status,

Re: [Framework-Team] Using plone.testing / plone.app.testing in Plone 4.1

2010-08-01 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 1, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Hi team, > > This weekend, I worked on plone.uuid and plone.app.uuid, part of PLIP > #10778 (which is now mostly implemented, by the way). These are both > quite simple packages. Obviously, both have tests. > > When writing them, I wanted to use

[Framework-Team] Our next meeting – PLIP-a-t hon part 1

2010-08-12 Thread Eric Steele
Team, We've got 30 PLIPs in for 4.1 already (http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/24), so it's time to get together and start talking. Can I assume that next Tuesday at 14:00 UTC will work, or should I set up another Doodle thing? Everyone should be reading over the submitted PLIPs, asking questio

Re: [Framework-Team] Our next meeting – PLI P-a-thon part 1

2010-08-13 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Ross Patterson wrote: > Eric Steele writes: > >> We've got 30 PLIPs in for 4.1 already >> (http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/24), so it's time to get together >> and start talking. Can I assume that next Tuesday at 14:00 UTC will &

[Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meet ing Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-17 Thread Eric Steele
* 30 PLIPs! * Cover those PLIPs which were dependencies of other PLIPs first. • 9473 (z3cform) • Ross: Better than Archetypes at form generation, better documentation than formlib, but still requires a lot of knowledge of the internals to work with. • (Sma

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team M eeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > > Reason why I insist on automated tests. Functional tests run too slowly > to rely on developers running them regularly. We need to delegate to > Hudson or buildbot. I agree completely. I very nearly* have a Hudson/Selenium Grid/plone

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team M eeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 19, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > Le 19/08/10 18:14, Eric Steele a écrit : >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: >>> >>> Reason why I insist on automated tests. Functional tests run too slowly >>> to rely on develo

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team M eeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > Le 19/08/10 22:44, Eric Steele a écrit : > >> >> I wrote a new layer, mainly because I wanted to figure out how it all >> worked. I've put up a quick screencast of the whole thing in action, if >>

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes - Aug. 24, 2010

2010-08-24 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 24, 2010, at 5:05 PM, David Glick wrote: > On 8/24/10 2:02 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:57 PM, David Glick >> wrote: >> >>> - Scheduling >>> - Final PLIP submission deadline is next Friday, Aug. 30 >>> - Six week PLIP implementation period beginning on th

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes - Aug. 24, 2010

2010-08-24 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 24, 2010, at 3:57 PM, David Glick wrote: > - Present: all except Ross Patterson (excused). David Glick sat in to > take minutes. David, Thanks for doing this. It made my week much easier. Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes - Aug. 24, 2010

2010-08-24 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 24, 2010, at 3:57 PM, David Glick wrote: >- Six week PLIP implementation period beginning on the submission > deadline and ending Sept. 11 Just a note on the implementation deadline. That should be Oct 1. That'll give everyone about 5.5 weeks to get their work in and we should be able

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes - Aug. 24, 2010

2010-08-24 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > On 25 August 2010 04:57, David Glick wrote: >> - 10804: Include workflow manager >>- based on uwosh.northstar >>- May need some input from the UI team to make it fit in with the >> rest of Plone's UI > > Was this one accepted or rejecte

Re: [Framework-Team] Three PLIPs ready for review

2010-08-28 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Hi, > > The following are ready for review: > > https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9472 - plone.app.registry > https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9473 - z3c.form > https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/10856 - plone.testing > ... Thanks Martin.

[Framework-Team] Reminder, PLIPs ready for reviewing

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Steele
FWT! A reminder that there are 5 PLIPs already in the review queue: Include plone.app.registry https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9472 Include z3c.formhttps://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9473 Include plone.testing and plone.app.testing in KGS https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/1

[Framework-Team] UI PLIP submission - ARIA implementation

2010-08-31 Thread Eric Steele
Christian asked me to alert you to a new PLIP. > Hello Framework Team, > > A PLIP titled "ARIA Landmark Roles for Accessibility" has been > submitted for consideration at > https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/11013. Best of luck with Plone 4.1! ___ Fram

[Framework-Team] FWT Meeting Minutes – Sept 7, 2010

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Steele
Sorry for the delay getting these out. • #10280 – Allow overriding the tag on a per-template basis • How common of a need is this? • Using the viewlet instead allows customization / view • Decision: Declined • #10964 – Asynchronousl

Re: [Framework-Team] FWT Meeting Minutes –  Sept 7, 2010

2010-09-21 Thread Eric Steele
On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Eric Steele wrote: > • #11003 – Content governance metadata > • Is this a common need? > • Sounds useful, but are people actually going to use this? > • Should be developed as an add-on > • I

[Framework-Team] Framework Team Meeting Minutes – Sept 21, 2010

2010-09-21 Thread Eric Steele
In attendance: Alec Mitchell, Craig Haynal, Elizabeth Leddy, Eric Steele, Rob Gietema, Ross Patterson * There's a meeting? * Calliflower didn't send out notifications to several people. * Eric will make sure to notify the list of upcoming meet

[Framework-Team] Missed PLIP (#10987 – I mplement Link Checking as Core Feature of Plone)

2010-09-22 Thread Eric Steele
This PLIP came in before the deadline, but I missed getting it on our tally sheet. Please have a look at it and we'll discuss it at next week's meeting. https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/10987 Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.

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