>All labs had content policies like this until about 30-35 years ago. Yale's
the only one that's kept theirs.
So were there certain porn friendly labs that were used or were staff bribed?
I've seen stag films that look to be from the 1930s and there was a time when
porno's were shot under the
Daniel Conrad specializes in dance films: http://www.rhodopsin.ca/
I've had the pleasure of seeing some of his work on the big screen and the tiny
clips on his website don't really do his work justice. His films are shot in
unusual places around the world and the location influences the choreogr
Hi, I hand processed an old roll of exposed B&W 16mm film this past week. It
was probably 20+ years old, in one of the old silver 100ft cans and had no film
label but was marked exposed and thought I'd give it a try to see if I could
get some sort of fogged image out of it or at least get some b
Hi Frameworks, I'm at last attempting to do some Super 8 blowups to 16mm but am
confounded at finding the right printer/lens/bellows configuration. I've
attempted to do the setup recommended by JK at:
http://www.jkcamera.com/digital_instr_.htm
with no luck, I just get a blurry grey image. I'm us
fine but it doesn't quit fill the frame in the viewfinder.
I'm guessing I need further extension tubes.
John
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Alain, the rumor spread around the internet is that Bolex does not make cameras
anymore but they have a large source of parts and some unsold stock of finished
cameras left over from their heyday. As reiterated in that article, there are
just too many Bolexes on the used market. You can get a Re
Edo,
My understanding is all the recent discontinuations happen because the stock is
expiring in the warehouse. So Kodak tightens up its product line by dropping
the money losers. Of course with less stocks to choose from, film because less
desirable to shoot. I imagine that the last stocks lef
I've never done colour in a Morse but your times seem too short. As I recall
the Morse tank is about triple the amount of time you would need in a dunk or
spiral tank because the film is contact with the chemistry for such a short
time. For example, for Tri-X the first developer is 6 minutes but
Back in 2011, when we were looking into whether or not to revive a Pako
multi-guage film processor we had been given, we had talks with the local Kodak
rep about stock sales. I recently stumbled upon this information and in light
of the recent stock discontinuations, Kodak's bankruptcy issues an
apolate anything. It
would be interesting to get a larger set of numbers so real comparisons
would be made, although we would likely, unfortunately, just see a
downward trend.
best
Chris
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:42 AM, John Woods wrote:
>
>>
>> Note this is for Western Canada only
I know its not as cool as doing it all photo-chemically, but this sounds like a
very good job for a digital intermediate.
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Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
yes ex
Your question reminded me of this blog post where someone disassembles an
Eyemo. The writer might be able to help you. Plenty of detailed pictures for
camera loves to enjoy:
cinetinker: Inside a Bell & Howell Eyemo
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I've seen brabant's previous film, "In Earth", it has 8 & 16 blown up to 35.
Its colours are quite beautiful projected.
Preview available here: http://www.cjbrabant.com/inearth.html
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>I'll add that you have to consider what is being double exposed on, once
>you reach white saturation, no additional exposure will develop any
>image in there.
So would you suggest that it is better to do the first exposure on a nice dense
object (say a human face) and then do a 2nd exposure o
I was wondering if anyone had any advice on preparing a CD/digital file for a
soundtrack to be played with a MOS film print. I'd like to minimize any hassle
for the projectionist, I don't require perfect sync and wondered if there were
guidelines for doing this or is at simple as a note saying "
>Try Yale lab. I beleive they provide a once a month 7240, but may have to e6
>your g160 at rocky mountain film lab...if they're still open. Although, Yale
>may have a solution
DO NOT send you film to Rocky Mountain Film Lab unless you are interested in
having your money stolen and your film l
Anyone have any tips on printing colour negative onto black and white stock? I
understand you need to print onto camera stock as the orange mask can act as a
safelight to the orthochromatic print stocks. Are there any other pitfalls to
be aware of?
John
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>Russ Meyer's Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! has numerous female fighting
>scenes.
I imagine Russ Meyer has quite a few films with female fights. I'd suggest
looking at Pam Grier's 1970s films like Big Bird Cage (one of the many "women
in prison" exploitation genre films you might want to expl
Jeff, very interesting document that you put together, thank you!
What are your thoughts on the quality of using optical printers modified to
work with DSLRs for transfering 8/16mm?
John
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Get in touch with Mike Hoolboom, his feature "Imitations of Life" is full of
appropriated Hollywood imagery. I'd be surprised if he had all of those clips
cleared. A link to watch the
film is on his website.
John
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Those lights would be suitable for working with daylight or tungsten balanced
film. But are they suitable for the type of work you are doing for this shoot?
If I was shooting a scene for a dramatic film I wouldn't light the scene with
LEDs. But for a compact & portable light for lighting intervi
Is any of Robert Fenz's work or in particular his Meditations on Revolution
series available on DVD? Apart from a few short clips on the net and the odd
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There is apparently a guy in England that re-perfs 2R film for use as regular
8. I don't see why you couldn't provide him with a single perf film of your
choice and he could then make into 2R film for you.
His information is in this thread:
http://www.filmshooting.com/scripts/forum/viewtopic.p
>I think your best bet is to go with the 7363 high-contrast b/w film, if you
want camera pitch (.2994.) It's really cheap, something like $50 for 400 feet
and no minimum.
>If you want lab or high-speed pitch (.3000), go with the 7302 positive b/w
print film. It's cheap too-- $180 for 2,000 feet,
dvise you with that. But at that point it might
be more cost effective to mail the film to someone who could do it for you.
John Woods
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:04:48 PM
Subject: [Framew
According to Martin Baumgarten (and other sources you should be adding
developer time as you exhaust the chemicals:
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavender/569/spiralreel.html
~~~> BLACK & WHITE Film Processing Control <~~~
(1). The best way to maintain control of your processing for any
pr
>Hi Sedi. Lomo tanks are difficult to find at antique markets/ photo
>stores with all of their necessary bits and pieces intact. I bought mine, with
>all the bits (except for the spiral loader) in its >original box off of ebay.
>Right now I see two current ebay listings at fairly reasonable pric
In that article it says that 70% of the films are not available digitally. So
if 30% of the collection has been digitized why not make a series of "Best of
Canyon" dvd volumes? How about being able to pay a few bucks for a digital
download? Or is that legally impossible due to distribution contr
While its certainly flammable and should be treated with caution I think there
is a lot of misinformation about the danger of nitrate film and people are
equating it with nitroglycerin. As shown in this thread there are more
occurrences of people storing this nitrate film 'improperly' for decade
A horizontal scratch? Unusual! Please send me the link. Are you attempting to
source the issue for an insurance claim?
Since it seems to be related to the starting and stopping of the camera it does
not sound like a lab problem (and the lab snips a few feet off the head of
every roll to cover
http://www.filmrescue.com/
I think they are the only game in town, they are in Canada but have a U.S. mail
box and they can only get a B&W negative image from the film.
From: matthew brown
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012
>Additionally, we're only accepting submissionms on NTSC DVDs this year.
Why not save yourself a whole bunch of hassle and have submissions be
electronic? Thats quickly become the new standard and no need to deal with a
pile of mile in your basement where submissions can get misplaced. Mailing
>There are no sensitive files, just project files. Any ideas about the best
>shipping method, USPS, UPS?
Shipping internationally with UPS/FedEx incurs additional 'brokerage' fees when
it goes through customs, something that won't happen when you use your national
carrier. This fee will increa
>Purchase College film Department (NY) has that gate with their unused Optical
>Printer.
>Ask to speak to the Chair of the film department for assistance.
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I often have to do the same motion to get it to work. What I've noticed is that
if you have the house too high or low that it pinches slightly at the point
where it connects to the tank. It will also pinch if you hold the tube against
its natural curl. Sometimes I can get it in a sweet spot and
>Balsom rightly points out that in the museum world there is
a double standard “whereby experimental film-makers are treated with less
respect than ‘artists working in film’ – such as Tacita >Dean, Stan Douglas or
Matthew Buckingham – whose work is never subject to such transpositions.” She
goes
>This really does seem a little too cynical. No one is suggesting any such
>thing. I'm just trying to represent the work of someone who is already
>well-known
>and presumably taken seriously. And I guess what it takes is being clear
>about one's expectations and sticking to it.
Yes, that
Niagara Custom Lab in Toronto will print negs with tape splices.
You could try using Ektachrome 100D to duplicate your film on an optical
printer. Or you could use your workprint to compile an EDL and do a neg cut
(either or yourself or hire a pro).
From: Ma
The work of Peter Mettler would probably be up your alley.
-John
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I did a workshop with Alex and he showed us his 'wooden lightbox'. IIRC he took
an old Pageant projector, gutted then motor, rewired the lamp for a lower
wattage and then connected a rewind crank to the projector's drive shaft. He
can get about 8fps with his setup and can run the film backwards
I've had work transfered on MovieStuff gear in both the SD and the HD versions.
A friend had a small transfer business with an SD "Workprinter" it gave great
results and was very easy to use on a Mac. At one point we were transfering at
his house and his computer went down. We were able to eas
Hi Frameworks,
I'm looking for advice on recording a long distance interview. I originally
thought I could do it in person with my Zoom recorder but the subject's work
plans changed and will not be coming out from the East coast anymore.
There are various ways to chat over the internet but I do
you!
John
From: David Tetzlaff
To: John Woods ; Experimental Film Discussion List
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:44:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Best method for recording a long distance interview
Since the OP mentions a Zoom recorder, I assume John is loo
Anyone have any advice to share on solarizing hand processed Tri-X super 8
film? From what I've read it should be flashed about half way through the first
developer time. Will just turning on the room light for a half second be
enough? Or is a flashlight a better choice? Some of the film will be
Everyone has an opinion or a theory on this, all I can tell you is that I've
shipped film across Canada and to the U.S. using national post services with no
stickers identifying the contents and have never had a roll go bad. I've also
had film x-ray'd in my carry on in Mexico with no effects.
I think that could work. When I did my film using the SD burn in, it was
because the neg cutter insisted on a copy of the film with burn in to confirm
all the cuts she was to make. Also since I had a fair amount of film, it was
cheaper to do that and then just transfer to HD my timed print.
I s
s are small and affordable. At the very least you could project
16mm in your own living room! Or at least that is what I tell myself to justify
the 16mm prints collecting dust in my closet.
John Woods
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Hi Meg, the Maier-Hancock is probably the best available and were popular among
professionals. Though the 816-S model is somewhat rare to come across, the
regular model is pretty common. I think I have one available that I could sell
you cheaply though the shipping from Canada would be horrendou
Anyone else have issues with the Hollis Frampton DVD set? I bought the set when
it came out and disc one arrived with a crack in it. I got it replaced from the
store & played it once, and just now, months later, the replacement disc
cracked in the same manner when taking it out of the case! I've
>Email Criterion and get a replacement disc.
Its been many months since I bought it so I'll be impressed if they offer an
exchange. If Athena or anyone else wants to complain this is the info:
To report a technical problem with your DVD or Blu-ray disc; for television,
public performance, and
A few years ago I entered a film competition for horror films and we shot on
B&W Super 8. After shooting a take or two, I would do a take without rolling
the camera and record the audio only. Through some manipulation in post we were
able to get a decent sync, it sounds and looks a lot like a st
>carefully, not all labs are created equal. Though I haven't used them yet, I
>usually hear great things about Pro8mm, though they are the most expensive. I
>would avoid Dwayne's Photo for >Super8 (wasn't very satisfied with my transfer
>there). I've had a pretty positive experience with PacL
>From what I've read online it's rare to hear about ANY film lab that doesn't
>have both it's champions and it's detractors. Motion picture film labs are
Fair enough, but did you actually read about that man's story that I linked to?
He was an out of town customer, and they transferred his fil
Using Full CTB will result in quite a large loss of light, about a full stop,
they will also slowly burn out during the shoot and you will need to change the
gels periodically so you will need to buy a little extra. Typically you'll need
to change them out after a full day of shooting. Your eye
I've sent lots of film to Toronto, Seattle and Dwaynes via Canada Post and
USPS. Air mail and ground shipment. Never had a problem. Also had lots of film
x-rayed in my carry on in airports, again no problem. I don't mark anything I
ship with those film x-ray stickers, I think it would just draw
That 110 reel is nice but buying it is going to cost more than buying another
bag of Kodak D-19.Why don't you just have your chemistry in buckets or bottles
and do dunk processing of your test strips? Do it all in the dark and save the
time of loading that tank. Or you can just stuff your film i
Try projecting at a slower frame rate, there are many variable speed super 8
projectors that could project at rates like 12, 9 or 6 fps. Your camera also
might be able to shoot at a rate that could matchthe slower projector speed.
IIRC there was a British filmmaker whose name escapes me, active
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] flickering
Thanks.
First I'll try to shoot at 6 fps.
It Seems more simple solution.
John if you remember the filmaker name,
write me please.
Thanks
f.
2012/12/3 John Woods
Try projecting at
In my mind a strobe effect and a flickering projection are two very different
things.
If you want a strobe effect then you need to film the scene with a strobe light.
If you want your film presented with a flickering projection then you will need
to use an off speed projector and be willing to
Google is your friend, Kodak has contacts for people in India and others:
http://motion.kodak.com/motion/about/worldwide_sales_offices/index.htm
Or call Orwo in Germany.
From: Veronica Ibarra
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Sent: Thursday, January 3,
t spools and cans (luis ?)
> 4. Re: Urgent: where to buy stock India, UK, Spain or Germany?
> (John Woods)
> 5. Re: Urgent: where to buy stock India, UK, Spain or Germany?
> (Scott Dorsey)
> 6. Re: Urgent: where to buy stock India, UK, Spain or Germany?
> (Bernd Lue
Great question and something I think not discussed enough. There seems to be a
don't ask don't tell attitude to this issue. My experience with local film
festivals & screenings has led me to believe that most festivals don't care
whether you've got the rights to songs or video clips. As long as
You can process colour print film and colour negative in E-6.
If processing colour negative your first step will be to remove the remjet,
about a minute in water with Borax will do the trick. You'll need to overexpose
the film 2 stops and push 1 stop for best results. The positive image will ha
I would be surprised if anyone has much more than a hobby business offering
such services. You'll either have to DIY or use a digital intermediate. If
you're doing it yourself you'd also need to look into whether the filmstock
needed for matte work is still available.
Cineworks in Vancouver, an
There are articles in Cinemagic magazine about how to build your own optical
printer and rotoscoping. Scans of this magazine are freely available online.
I have not done it myself, but you can make your own contact prints on a
Steenbeck, which would be easier to find than an actual contact print
> I just posted a short video of my op printer/roto set up. Hope it helps...
> https://vimeo.com/57535369
Impressive setup Ken! Looks pretty functional and easy to use. And I think the
best thing is that it looks like all the major components could be found with a
bit of hunting on eBay and C
Well I noticed that you don't have a 2nd developer step. After bleaching you
are supposed to re-expose and do a 2nd developer to reveal the latent positive
image and then you fix.
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Doesn't Edward Nowill in the UK have a machine that will re-perf 16mm into
double 8mm?
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they're spoilt for
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re 20s and 30s and there are few of the old guard who just
never stopped working with 16mm.
I had a great time and I think I will try to attend again in the future. My
advice is to look out for events like this and plan a trip.
John Woods
From: "Doug C
riend Ariel is helping to organize an event for an
upcoming arts crawl. She's looking for works originating on film (but can be
digitally projected) with live musical accompaniment. She would help pair you
with a musician to collaborate with if you don't have someone in mi
This opinion
was cemented a few years ago when a friend successfully raised several grand
through direct donations on his own website for his feature documentary.
Anyway the project looks terrific I'll be sending a few bux your way :)
John Woods
From:
I've had regular HD transfers done with them. They are quite good for the
price, however, as an out of town customer I will say that their turnaround is
slow and its difficult to get the best out of your transfer when you don't get
to supervise. But no regrets! They care about the medium and the
I was at the festival last weekend for the screening of my film "Victor #5" and
will reiterate everyone's opinion! Great programming, cool venue and
projectionist, great crowds, warm organizers and volunteers. I felt very
welcome there. Met a lot of cool people, some I got to know better than o
le to attend but the lineup looks good with some impressive
features I hope get shown in Vancouver someday.
John Woods
From: Benjamin R. Taylor
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:14:39 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] Niagara'
kroom studios, filmmakers and
musicians have been encouraged to experiment with qualities specific to
analog film and sound technology, as well as their overlapping
interactions and translations within digital media.
Including: John Woods, Mark Cernigoj, Sydney Southam, Zoe KG, Lux
Petrova, Lisa G,
While any B&W developer will technically work with any B&W film reversal or
negative, but in my experience D-19 and Dektol are the only consumer available
developers that will give you enough contrast for a nice Tri-X reversal image.
My tests with D-76 and PQ were very flat looking. I personally
There is a good one that is available on smartphones, I think its called
Artisan Directors Viewfinder and was about $30. You can program different
formats and is getting popular amongst some professional filmmakers. Might be
cheaper/easier than renting something.
st value, since you could
pull out your phone anywhere you go if you see a location you like or an
interesting viewpoint.
John
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To: John Woods ; Experimental Film Discussion List
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:32:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Framewo
I've used D-76 for 7302. 2-3 minutes IIRC, but that was using it as a print
stock loaded in a JK. I take it that you are using it in camera and want to
process it as a reversal film? If you're not using a high contrast developer
with reversal processing you are going to get very flat looking ima
Where is "over there"? Cuba? My advice is don't worry about it. Just take the
film in your carry on.
I've had film zapped from trips to Mexico with no problems. Last summer, I
traveled from Canada to U.S. to Peru to Boliva and back again with 35mm Tri-X
(400asa). There were several internal fli
That amount sounds very healthy for an indie label. Enough money to justify the
DVD rights too. For majors they have so much overhead that they need huge
amounts. Majors usually have a list of the songs with costs for the rights and
its pretty straight forward.
However, unless you think the son
Andrew,Great advice! That's quite a useful summary. Sounds like the
label is small and fishing for an offer. Sent from Yahoo! Mail
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Sad but not unexpected with the end of 35mm printing. With the lack of a major
Seattle film industry they seemed like more of a destination lab for films
getting 35mm prints and seemed quite friendly to mail order customers.
Not many places left that would handle 8/16/35 and do both colour and
This guy is in a suburb of Vancouver. Uses a Workprinter to transfer, does pretty good work and cares about film:http://www.lifetimeheritagefilms.com/ On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:40:45 AM, Roger Wilson wrote:Hi Insa,Check out Frame Discreet they are awesome and very affordable, based
I bought some minor parts from him in the early summer. I've spoken with him on
the phone a few times. He sounded pretty elderly but willing to supply parts
and do small jobs. I would not be surprised to hear that he's either deceased
or not healthy enough to run his business. Hopefully he's sti
All colour films can be processed in B&W chemistry to get a B&W image. I've not
really done much of it except for the odd time of a mistake when a colour short
end got mislabeled as B&W and the film was not as ancient as your stock. Why
don't you just process a snip test of your ektachrome? You'
Rocky Mountain Film Lab is back in business? I though their reputation as being
quick to cash a check but it takes them several years to process film was the
reason they shut down? There are so many complaints against RMFL that I'd be
cautious about sending your film in. Try these guys:
http://
To follow up to my own post (which came back to me as a double post - sorry!).
Jason, I'd be interested in hearing from you what your impression of their
current state of business is and any further information about them and their
(alleged) shutdown.
When I first got interested in analog film
I've left exposed film in my fridge for up to year with no complaints. If
you're storing your film in the trunk of your car then I'd worry but if its a
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Backbone by Tom Braidwood 1972
Its a loop of a WW2 soldier yelling 'Fire' followed by a canon blast. Becomes
rather comedic and subversive.
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:47:24 PM, Buck Bito - Movette
wrote:
An extremely skin-crawling short work that includes relatively modern
air-targeti
I recently publicly posted two short films of mine on Vimeo that did the
festival racket last year.
7246 120' WE:
https://vimeo.com/31825344
Shot on 10-15 year old Kodak and Agfa 16mm.
Legacies:
https://vimeo.com/33009329
All hand processed and optically printed on 7363 and 7302. Started a
Does anyone know what is the difference between 7302 and 3302? Is it the same
stock just polyester? Advantages/disadvantages? Thx!
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:22:16 PM, Roger Wilson
wrote:
I've processed 7302 with D-19 and have had excellent results.
Roger D. Wilson
Film Scientist
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I did use FCP to get an edit list in 2009. I used SD video with burn in code.
Got Flex files from a transfer from Deluxe Vancouver. The used Cinema Tools to
convert the files at home. However as I recall there was a few kinks in the
workflow. Normally my digital edits are chaotic with clips stac
Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature
length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past
few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you!
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Thanks for the many replies! I'm primarily interested in films produced in the
2010s. 45+ minutes in length, with an actual 16mm print struck.
With the end of 35mm distribution in the past year, I've been wondering about
how much longer 16mm prints will stick around. James Benning complained ab
xoadc
On 2014-07-18, at 4:17 PM, John Woods wrote:
Thanks for the many replies! I'm primarily interested in films produced in the
2010s. 45+ minutes in length, with an actual 16mm print struck.
>
>
>With the end of 35mm distribution in the past year, I've been wondering about
Alain, while I'm primarily interested in experimental or artists films, I'd
open up to mainstream films too. I'm more broadly interested in the
state of 16mm film as an exhibition format and not necessarily
experimental. If Spielberg decided to distribute his latest on 16mm,
then that wou
Michael, here's my recent moon movie, The Hammer and the Feather, made up of
found footage and audio:
https://vimeo.com/70576183
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