Yes, 4BSD is still the default, although you definitely want to use ULE for
performance reasons (NB: only on 7, dont use ULE on 6). I don't know whether
the release engineers plan to change that default, but I will check.
could you point to some URL/explain what's the actual difference.
As per subject; this is a 6.2p7/i386 uniprocessor box with options
INVARIANTS,INVARIANT_SUPPORT,WITNESS,DEBUG_LOCKS,DEBUG_VFS_LOCKS,DIAGNOSTIC
enabled and running a couple of gmirror mirrors.
bye Thanks
av.
# kgdb kernel.debug /var/crash/vmcore.2
kgdb: kvm_nlist(_stopped_cpus):
Gary Kline wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 02:31:40PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 08:40:00PM +0300, Jordan Gordeev wrote:
Gary Kline wrote:
I find that if I use Settings - Keyboard and then select
FreeBSD Console, I come fairly close. Then [Backspace]
backs up,
On Monday 17 of September 2007 04:52:06 Norberto Meijome wrote:
*(my symptoms were a bit different though, it would just time out when
calling flash... so each flash object in a page would take 40 seconds or
sosllooo brooowwwsssiiinnn :-) )
This same behavior I have.
Is there any way to set the keyboard layout in the kernel other
than the default us.iso (qwerty) layout? I tried looking in the man
pages and the most that I got were some options. The
documentation instructed me to put these in my kernel config:
options ATKBD_DFLT_KEYMAP
makeoptions
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RW
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:56 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: /dev/random question
That's a poor analogy because they haven't improved /dev/random so it
doesn't block,
Hello guys!
I tried to recover my partitions, which I remeved by accident. I used
scan_ffs to create a new disklabel, which found all partitions, but when
I use disklabel with -e or -R it does not write the table down.
I think there's something I forgot or did wrong perhaps, but I'm not
getting
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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:24 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: /dev/random question
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:51:56 +0200
Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 16
bsdlabel: partition c doesn't cover the whole unit!
bsdlabel: An incorrect partition c may cause problems for standard system
probably because of that.. other reason - the device is open by other
process
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Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: /dev/random question
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:20:17 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:56 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: /dev/random question
Not high-handed. Logical. The difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom
was that /dev/random could block IO if it didn't have enough entropy
in systems where /dev/random is separate simply abusing it by cat
/dev/random /dev/null make all other programs using it very very slow.
as unix
same Yarrow pseudo-random sequence. If enough of the random data
survives at the end of the dvd it may allow an attack against the PRNG.
As things stand, Yarrow is secure, but it might not be a few years from
now.
always humans make most of security problems, not programs.
if you need more
2007/9/15, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:18:17 Agus wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to add a firewall rule with pfctl...
This is what i'm trying to do...
I've got SEC that matches certain pattern and takes the IP from that and
want to trigger a firewall
Hello,
I would like to know if anyone of you knows a good maling list about
bash programing (beginners).
Thx for your anwser(s).
Sincerly yours.
Gregober --- PGP ID -- 0x1BA3C2FD
bsd @at@ todoo.biz
This flash issue has made me reconsider buying a low-end laptop running
vista, so I dont have the urgency to deal with this issue. One thing I need
flash to work is that I watch mlbtv, and it requires flash plugin to
initiate. Also for some other multimedia on the internet, having flash
working
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:40:44AM +, beni wrote:
On Saturday 15 September 2007 19:10:02 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 02:51:08PM +, beni wrote:
Hi,
After updating xorg to 7.3 (and adding a new ServerFlags section to
my /etc/X11/xorg.conf to put ignoreABI
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 09:27:03PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
This may be a bit off the wall, but does anybody have a tool to
take my dozens of mutt aliases and turn them into an evolution
-style database format? (if not, is there any universal
address-book app that I could use?)
A sed
I downloaded the 6.2 AMD64 disk 1 iso, installed it and updated the ports with
cvsup. However, when I try to install xorg it's looking for ports that are not
in
the packages-6.2 folder. Instead they are in the packages-7-current or
packages-current folder. Is it safe to install from those
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 07:00:35PM -0600, Kenny Dail wrote:
I have a problem trying to `make index` on a machine running 4.11-STABLE
after cvsup-ing the ports tree.
Make sure you have cvsup'd your ports tree with the RELEASE_4_EOL tag
Then as you are not planning on installing anything
Correct me if I'm wrong, but cron doesn't keep track of the last time
something was done, does it? Which is to say if my system is crashed,
was asleep, or powered off when a job is supposed to happen, it will
not happen the next time the system is successfully operational, will
it? It's not
I downloaded the 6.2 AMD64 disk 1 iso, installed it and updated the ports with
cvsup. However, when I try to install xorg it's looking for ports that are not
in
the packages-6.2 folder. Instead they are in the packages-7-current or
packages-current folder. Is it safe to install from those
In response to Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but cron doesn't keep track of the last time
something was done, does it? Which is to say if my system is crashed,
was asleep, or powered off when a job is supposed to happen, it will
not happen the next time the system
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:22:45AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but cron doesn't keep track of the last time
something was done, does it? Which is to say if my system is crashed,
was asleep, or powered off when a job is supposed to happen, it will
not happen the next
On Monday 17 September 2007, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
This flash issue has made me reconsider buying a low-end laptop running
vista, so I dont have the urgency to deal with this issue. One thing I need
flash to work is that I watch mlbtv, and it requires flash plugin to
initiate. Also for some
Hi everyone,
I'm building a new FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE system, and I need to move a
ton of users from the old FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE system.
I was hoping it would be as easy as copying the master.passwd, passwd,
and group files to the new box and rebooting, but No. It's not.
Is there a way to migrate
Tim DeBoer wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm building a new FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE system, and I need to move a
ton of users from the old FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE system.
I was hoping it would be as easy as copying the master.passwd, passwd,
and group files to the new box and rebooting, but No. It's not.
* Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-16 19:29:08 -0700]:
There are Lots of thing I like about vim, but after having fouled up
with the undo's and lost some critical writing or code, I went back to
what I've usedsince Bill Joy pointed me at vi.
Presumably, you are talking about vi's (and
On Monday 17 September 2007 02:54:23 Norberto Meijome wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:51:08 +
beni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm running 6.2-Stable with linux-firefox 2.0.0.6.
I'm curious... do you mind if I ask why are you using linux-firefox? if it
is due to flash, it works just as well
On Monday 17 September 2007 14:42:28 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:40:44AM +, beni wrote:
On Saturday 15 September 2007 19:10:02 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 02:51:08PM +, beni wrote:
Hi,
After updating xorg to 7.3 (and adding a
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:50:33 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
same Yarrow pseudo-random sequence. If enough of the random data
survives at the end of the dvd it may allow an attack against the
PRNG.
As things stand, Yarrow is secure, but it might not be a few years
Hi there!
Just seeking a clarification on keeping FreeBSD up-to-date through csup. I
am on FreeBSD 6.2 and want to keep up-to-date for security patches
etc.
I understand I can use csup to follow the RELENG_62 branch. After the
sources are downloaded, do I have to follow all the steps
2007/9/15, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:18:17 Agus wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to add a firewall rule with pfctl...
This is what i'm trying to do...
I've got SEC that matches certain pattern and takes the IP from that and
want to trigger a firewall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I downloaded the 6.2 AMD64 disk 1 iso, installed it and updated the ports with
cvsup. However, when I try to install xorg it's looking for ports that are
not in
the packages-6.2 folder. Instead they are in the packages-7-current or
packages-current folder. Is
Thats weird. When I updated using cvsup it updated all of the ports in my
/usr/ports directory. I then ran make install on /usr/ports/x11/xorg, it then
looks for dri-7.0.1,2.tbz, but that file isn't in
amd64/packages-6.2-release/latest or amd64/packages-6.2-release/graphics/. It is
only in the
Hi,
(I originally posted this on the freebsd-gnome mailing list and then
realized that list was for people actively working on Gnome. I don't know
if my question is a Gnome-specific issue or if it is an issue that can arise
when installing programs in general.)
I am currently using FreeBSD
On Monday 17 of September 2007 16:15:16 you wrote:
This flash issue has made me reconsider buying a low-end laptop running
vista, so I dont have the urgency to deal with this issue. One thing I need
flash to work is that I watch mlbtv, and it requires flash plugin to
initiate. Also for some
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thats weird. When I updated using cvsup it updated all of the ports in my
/usr/ports directory. I then ran make install on /usr/ports/x11/xorg, it then
looks for dri-7.0.1,2.tbz, but that file isn't in
amd64/packages-6.2-release/latest or
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:24:26PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:
Hi there!
Just seeking a clarification on keeping FreeBSD up-to-date through csup. I
am on FreeBSD 6.2 and want to keep up-to-date for security patches
etc.
I understand I can use csup to follow the RELENG_62 branch.
HI
I am having problems with my zone file...
There used to be a command to run and check zone files/Named files..
I can't seem to locate it...??
Anyone have a clue??
TIA
User Iam
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 06:46:20PM +0400, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 09:27:03PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
This may be a bit off the wall, but does anybody have a tool to
take my dozens of mutt aliases and turn them into an evolution
-style database format? (if not,
I am having problems with my zone file...
There used to be a command to run and check zone files/Named files..
I can't seem to locate it...??
See named-checkzone(8) and named-checkconf(8)
David
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UNIX systems administrator Oracle DBA
CISSP, RHCE Sun Certified Security
Harry Doyle wrote:
however whenever i reboot the machine the mixer command always shows the
default level of 90 which clips pretty hard.
My 6.2 system saves and restores the mixer settings across boots. Apparently
in the file /var/db/mixer0-state However, the file is root owned and 644;
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:22:45 -0700
Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a tool or setting to implement this functionality? I want
something to happen weekly, I don't care when.
One way is to install a crontab replacement like fcron, but the easiest
way to handle this is to install
Kris Kennaway wrote:
Josh Carroll wrote:
That's good to know. You should be using libthr for threaded
performance though :) That benchmark is probably almost all userland
though, so performance may not suffer much from libpthread.
Oh I wasn't sure if libthr was the preferred thread library
If I need to raise the maximum connections to a PostgreSQL server (v
postgresql-server-7.4.17) on FreeBSD 6.2 -STABLE, Ineed to raise the
available semaphores to increase connectivity. After doing a man -k on
sem and reading through the man pages that see relevant, I'm still
unable to
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:34:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
snip
=== Installing for libgda3-1.9.102_3
=== libgda3-1.9.102_3 conflicts with installed package(s):
libgda2-1.2.4_1,1
They install files into the same place.
Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
snip
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 12:35:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 06:46:20PM +0400, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 09:27:03PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
This may be a bit off the wall, but does anybody have a tool to
take my dozens of mutt aliases
hello everyone,
i am running a freebsd server to stream my local campus station's radio
broadcast to the net. i am using the stock ac97 audio, and using a little
script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d which uses kldload to load the driver.
i have to issue mixer rec -83 to get the audio down to a decent
On Monday 17 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
(I originally posted this on the freebsd-gnome mailing list and then
realized that list was for people actively working on Gnome. I don't
know if my question is a Gnome-specific issue or if it is an issue
that can arise when
Can anyone point me to some How-to documentation on raising this value to
increase postgresql connections?
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/static/kernel-resources.html
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=== Installing for libgda3-1.9.102_3
=== libgda3-1.9.102_3 conflicts with installed package(s):
libgda2-1.2.4_1,1
They install files into the same place.
Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
As people have noted you can use -f to force deletion. The problem you
are
Hi,
I'm trying to put external disks(storage) in my FreeBSD server, but, i only
can't see the disks that was allocated.
I think that is necessary sometype of confugurations, because the hba was
installed and all procedures necessary too.
For information.
Connection type --
On 9/14/07, Oliver Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm looking to eventually upgrade my home network to all gigabit so I'm
going to start by purchasing a few NICs for some old servers I just
received. I know there are quite a few supported by FreeBSD6 which I found
(
I have not seen this error before. What does it mean? (I will change
the actual e-mail to protect the address from spam bots).
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mail Administrator Postmaster@PostmasterDomain
Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:48:17 -0400
This
Chris Maness wrote:
I have not seen this error before. What does it mean? (I will change
the actual e-mail to protect the address from spam bots).
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mail Administrator Postmaster@PostmasterDomain
Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007
Hopefully there's an easy solution to this question.
Now that I have evolution installed on my new-tao, I want to
link it to mail in such a way that if I send myself a URL
or one is included in a messagethat firebox or konquorer
opens that embedded
Jay Chandler wrote:
Chris Maness wrote:
I have not seen this error before. What does it mean? (I will
change the actual e-mail to protect the address from spam bots).
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mail Administrator Postmaster@PostmasterDomain
Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail
Date:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:24:33AM +0400, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 12:35:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 06:46:20PM +0400, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 09:27:03PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
This may be a bit off the
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:31:53PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:24:33AM +0400, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
P.S. Must you really insert a tab before each line in your
messages? It certainly doesn't make them look pretty.
Failing eyesight. The whitespace helps me far
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:08:12 +
beni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is basicaly for the plugins, yes. Flash, mplayer,...
all working fine here with native...
_
{Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome
I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But, this wasn't it.
Groucho Marx
I
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Yes, 4BSD is still the default, although you definitely want to use
ULE for performance reasons (NB: only on 7, dont use ULE on 6). I
don't know whether the release engineers plan to change that default,
but I will check.
could you point to some URL/explain what's
On Sep 17, 2007, at 5:40 PMSep 17, 2007, Chris Maness wrote:
I have not seen this error before. What does it mean? (I will
change the actual e-mail to protect the address from spam bots).
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mail Administrator Postmaster@PostmasterDomain
Subject: Mail System Error
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:48:33 +0200
Zbigniew Komarnicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 17 of September 2007 04:52:06 Norberto Meijome wrote:
*(my symptoms were a bit different though, it would just time out when
calling flash... so each flash object in a page would take 40 seconds or
Chris Maness wrote:
Jay Chandler wrote:
Chris Maness wrote:
I have not seen this error before. What does it mean? (I will
change the actual e-mail to protect the address from spam bots).
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mail Administrator Postmaster@PostmasterDomain
Subject: Mail System Error
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:15:16 -0400
Tsu-Fan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This flash issue has made me reconsider buying a low-end laptop running
vista, so I dont have the urgency to deal with this issue.
low end and vista in the same sentence makes me think your laptop has 4
cores... ;)
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:53:19 -0400
Administrador Nodo CITMATEL Las Tunas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any ported application capable to allow the user to configure a NAT
(Network Address Translation) service in a graphical interface way?
i think webmin supports ipfw configuration, maybe
On Sep 17, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Chris Maness wrote:
Looks to me like a failed sender verification callout-- these are
generally construed to be abusive. I can't easily tell from your
munging whether it's your server or Adelphia that's doing it, though.
This is the only e-mail address that I
Eric Crist wrote:
On Sep 17, 2007, at 5:40 PMSep 17, 2007, Chris Maness wrote:
I have not seen this error before. What does it mean? (I will
change the actual e-mail to protect the address from spam bots).
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mail Administrator Postmaster@PostmasterDomain
Subject:
Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Sep 17, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Chris Maness wrote:
Looks to me like a failed sender verification callout-- these are
generally construed to be abusive. I can't easily tell from your
munging whether it's your server or Adelphia that's doing it, though.
This is the only
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:22:03 -0300
Harry Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello everyone,
i am running a freebsd server to stream my local campus station's radio
broadcast to the net. i am using the stock ac97 audio, and using a little
script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d which uses kldload to load
Hello all,
Somewhere along the way, with port upgrades, I managed to
break pysol:
earth% pysol
[1] 74521
earth% Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/local/share/pysol/src/pysol.py, line 47, in module
from main import main
File /usr/local/share/pysol/src/main.py, line 48, in
On Sep 17, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Chris Maness wrote:
Can I turn it off for this sender?
Presumably they or you can whitelist whichever address is being
blocked, yes.
I don't know which side is actually refusing the email as you've
removed too much of the logging context to avoid revealing
Chuck Swiger wrote:
The idea is pretty simple: when someone sends you an email, you delay
accepting it until you can confirm that you can send a reply back to
the sending address, or more precisely, check whether you can do a
MAIL FROM: your domain and RCPT TO: the sender, and have it return
Philip M. Gollucci wrote:
Kris Kennaway wrote:
Josh Carroll wrote:
That's good to know. You should be using libthr for threaded
performance though :) That benchmark is probably almost all userland
though, so performance may not suffer much from libpthread.
Oh I wasn't sure if libthr was the
On 2007-09-17 15:56, bsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I would like to know if anyone of you knows a good maling list about bash
programing (beginners).
If you have particular questions about using bash(1) on FreeBSD, then
this list is fine. If you are more interested in bash(1) internals,
Karol Kwiatkowski wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Yes, 4BSD is still the default, although you definitely want to use
ULE for performance reasons (NB: only on 7, dont use ULE on 6). I
don't know whether the release engineers plan to change that default,
but I will check.
could you point to some
Today i found a very old but very useful PR which gave my FreeBSD
servers the ability to properly sort strings containing characters in
the norwegian alphabet. The default (la_LN.ISO8859-1/15) sorts by ASCII
value which is not quite right.
Hi, Peter:
=== Installing for libgda3-1.9.102_3
=== libgda3-1.9.102_3 conflicts with installed package(s):
libgda2-1.2.4_1,1
They install files into the same place.
Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
As people have noted you can use -f to force deletion. The
Agus wrote:
2007/9/15, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:18:17 Agus wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to add a firewall rule with pfctl...
This is what i'm trying to do...
I've got SEC that matches certain pattern and takes the IP from that
Jay Chandler wrote:
Chris Maness wrote:
Chris Maness wrote:
Jay Chandler wrote:
Chris Maness wrote:
I have not seen this error before. What does it mean? (I will
change the actual e-mail to protect the address from spam bots).
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mail Administrator
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:30:03PM -0300, Agus wrote:
Agus wrote:
2007/9/15, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Saturday 15 September 2007 23:18:17 Agus wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to add a firewall rule with pfctl...
This is what i'm trying to do...
I've
Yep, white listing fixed the bounce. Thanks guys.
Chris Maness
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Daniel Bye wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:24:26PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:
I understand I can use csup to follow the RELENG_62 branch. After the
sources are downloaded, do I have to follow all the steps outlined in this
Preston Hagar wrote:
On 9/14/07, Oliver Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm looking to eventually upgrade my home network to all gigabit so I'm
going to start by purchasing a few NICs for some old servers I just
received. I know there are quite a few supported by FreeBSD6 which I found
(
I'm using the command 'portsnap fetch update' each time before I do a 'make
install clean' hoping that will cover me. I used portupgrade with 5.4 but
switched to portsnap with 6.2 because I believed from the Handbook that it
was a 'new and improved' way of maintaining my ports tree. Is this
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