[Freedos-user] Packet driver: Realtek RTL8211B

2008-09-01 Thread Lester Vanhoff
The network adapter on my computer is: Realtek RTL8211B 10/100/1000 Ethernet There doesn't seem to be any DOS packet drivers available. The links below look like a way around, but which of NE2000 drivers listed is the best: - ne2000.zip - NovellAnthemNE2000.zip -

[Freedos-user] Boot Halted (from: Rajagopal)

2006-12-01 Thread Lester
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[Freedos-user] SHSURDRV Write Protection Violation

2006-11-30 Thread Lester
I'm trying to replace SRDISK with SHSURDRV (v1.11, 2005-12-21) to make a ram drive E. Fdconfig and Fdauto load ok but when using Arachne browser, after exiting (to dos shell or permanently), I get the following error: error reading from drive E: DOS area: write protection violation attempted

Re: [Freedos-user] SHSURDRV Write Protection Violation

2006-11-30 Thread Lester
: 2005-06-19 - shsurdrv: v1.11, 2005-12-21 - cutemouse.exe: v 1.9.1 alpha 1 - Arachne: v1.90J1, Core.exe from 2006-08-08 Lester - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel

[Freedos-user] TDSK Q-drivers

2006-11-28 Thread Lester
there are countless other configurations possible but I won't be able to run any more test at this time. Lester. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance

Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE STACKS=9,512

2006-11-27 Thread Lester
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

2006-11-27 Thread Lester
Here is Eric's comment (sent by private email). I decided to post it here because someone else might find it useful as well. - L: which version of the following commands in Fdauto.bat is correct? Eric: - version 1 is correct - version 2: dos has no way to know that temp is not the name

[Freedos-user] Set Command

2006-11-25 Thread Lester
In my Fdauto.bat I've always had SET command everywhere. Someone has just pointed out that I could probably skip SET in most (all?) of the lines. I have even come across a notion that in ms-dos set was used to set other environment variables/parameters but not the path. Tnx, Lester

Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

2006-11-25 Thread Lester
=%DOSDIR%\HELP PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN TEMP=E:\TEMP TMP=E:\TEMP DIRCMD=/P /OG /A And here is Arkady's answer: SET isn't required only for PROMPT and PATH. Ok, and now, which syntax is correct: PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN or PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN Lester

Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

2006-11-25 Thread Lester
L: ok and now, which syntax is correct: PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN or PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN Blair: I can quote my previous response to answer that: PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN Thanks for clarification. Lester - Take Surveys. Earn Cash

Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE STACKS=9,512

2006-11-23 Thread Lester
=9,256 _ 624 __ 39 1,493,529 QCACHE /X _ STACKS=9,512 _ 624 __ 38 1,493,529 LBACACHE __ STACKS=0,0 ___ 624 __ 32 1,485,465 LBACACHE __ STACKS=9,256 _ 624 __ 30 1,485,465 Fdconfig.sys and Fdauto.bat can be viewed in my first post. Lester

Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE STACKS=9,512

2006-11-23 Thread Lester
with the most heavy duty applications. To be always on the safe side he prefers STACKS=9,512. Lester - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share

Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE STACKS=9,512

2006-11-23 Thread Lester
... Maybe someone more familiar with qxumbpci could comment here. Lester - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions

[Freedos-user] LBACAHCE, QCACHE STACKS=9,512

2006-11-22 Thread Lester
I created two versions of Fdconfig.sys and I keep switching between the two just to try them out. Version #1 is using LBACAHE and version #2 is using QCACHE. Below is the summary of the most important commands and full copies of startup files are at the bottom of the post. If I missed

Re: [Freedos-user] Boot Halted After RAM Upgrade - Resolved

2006-11-21 Thread Lester
3) Cd-rom DEVICEHIGH=D:\FDOS\BIN\QCDROM.SYS /D:CDROM1 /UF /I /L /X SHCDX33C /D:?CDRCACH$ /V /~+ /Q+ I forgot to quote explanation of optional switch /I: JRE: for systems not using the QDMA driver, /I may be needed to avoid drive-select or other odd BIOS errors! /I is not needed if /UX is

Re: [Freedos-user] Boot Halted After RAM Upgrade

2006-11-18 Thread Lester
Thanks for all suggestions. It looks like RAM disk and CD-ROM drivers must be reconfigured after memory upgrade to 1.5 GB. After the follwoing lines have been marked out everything works fine. I will replace tdsk with srdisk. Any suggestions for cd-rom drivers, other than the obvious upgrade

[Freedos-user] Boot Halted After RAM Upgrade

2006-11-17 Thread Lester
, first_mcb=0273 prev DD9A:|4D .. notMZDFF:|00 .. panic: mcb chain corrupted system halted --- Help appreciated. Lester Fdconfig.sys FILES=50 BREAK=ON STACKS=9,256 LASTDRIVE=Z BUFFERS=20,0 NUMLOCK=OFF DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB DEVICE=D:\FDOS\BIN\QHMBOOT.SYS /T7

Re: [Freedos-user] Rtspkt.com - Load High Or Not?

2006-11-01 Thread Lester
without problems. However, lately I have encountered a few freeze-ups after attempting to load rtspkt high, so unless you are dos memory expert, the recommended method should probably be to load the driver to conventional memory. Lester

[Freedos-user] Rtspkt.com - Load High Or Not?

2006-10-29 Thread Lester
this be considered confirmation that it's ok to load it high? Lester - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM

Re: [Freedos-user] Arachne.cfg And DNS Servers

2006-10-24 Thread Lester
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[Freedos-user] Arachne.cfg And DNS Servers

2006-10-23 Thread Lester
/34_DDNS.htm http://www.linksysdata.com/ui/BEFSX41/1.52.5/Setup-DDNS.htm The easiest solution is to enter isp dns server addresses manually in Arachne. In my case this resolved all Arachne connectivity problems. The router is Linksys BEFSX41, firmware v1.45.7. Lester Ref. original message: http

[Freedos-user] Arachne Stopped Working

2006-10-22 Thread Lester
Thanks for help, everyone, Lester - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application

[Freedos-user] Rtspkt Driver File Size

2006-10-21 Thread Lester V
version 3.40 and load ok from: rtspkt.com 0x60 -m auto Lester - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier

Re: [Freedos-user] Two Archives Of FreeDOS List

2006-10-18 Thread Lester V
Stegozor: Give news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.freedos.general, you'll like this one as an archive ;) It looks great. Is NNTP archive complete? I have seen some posts here a while back complaining that no one is using NNTP threads so I never bothered checking that out. Lester

Re: [Freedos-user] Rtspkt.com - Load High Or Not?

2006-10-16 Thread Lester V
I use UMBPCI: DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB DEVICE=D:\FDOS\BIN\FDXXMS.SYS BIOS NUMHANDLES=128 DEVICE=D:\FDOS\BIN\UMBPCI.SYS Eric: rtspkt does not load itself high, but as with all dma related drives, it is possible that it even does not work properly when you load it high

Re: [Freedos-user] Defrag 1.21 Full Optimization Problems

2006-10-15 Thread Lester V
be defragged from there. http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8236/10152006043119hr0.png Lester From: Lester Vedrox fd100@ 2006-10-10 13:04 -5000 GMT Full optimization defrag doesn't work on my system. command line: DEFRAG /C C: /F /FO result: Undefined Problem Screenshot: http

Re: [Freedos-user] Arachne Stopped Working

2006-10-15 Thread Lester V
Arachne connection problems were apparently related to fragmentation of drive C. I was trying to resolve the issue of FreeDos Defrag v1.21 returning error when set to full optimization. Here is the quote from another thread describing the fix to both Defrag and Arachne issue. Lester

[Freedos-user] Arachne - Lantcp.cfg

2006-10-15 Thread Lester V
= routerpppoe http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/964/10152006120219bm5.png Lester - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job

[Freedos-user] Rtspkt.com - Load High Or Not?

2006-10-15 Thread Lester V
Does the packet driver rtspkt.com load itself automatically into high memory or should this be done from the command line? Tnx - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done

[Freedos-user] Arachne Stopped Working

2006-10-13 Thread Lester V
Yesterday Arachne was working fine. After that the only thing I did was defragging (Defrag v1.21) drive C and shutting off the computer. Arachne is on drive D which is visible in WinXP ad was defragged from there. After starting FreeDos a few hours later I'm back to square one: tcp/ip looks

Re: [Freedos-user] Arachne Stopped Working

2006-10-13 Thread Lester Vedrox
: hostname=arachne sockdelay=30 mss=1024 Lester - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere

Re: [Freedos-user] faster packet driver loading

2006-10-12 Thread Lester Vedrox
0x60 -M AUTO 2 3 I settled for the latter one (-m auto) because that's how it set in WindowsXP Lester - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated

[Freedos-user] How To Get Arachne Working With DSL Connection?

2006-10-12 Thread Lester Vedrox
My connection: DSL modem + router + Realtek NIC. The packet driver RTSPKT.com loads fine but Arachne won't open any web page. http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9059/10112006035337it6.png Which version of Arachne.cfg shown below is correct? I assume that what Arachne calls NameServer

Re: [Freedos-user] How To Get Arachne Working With DSL Connection?

2006-10-12 Thread Lester Vedrox
Also, what are the default settings for WATTCP.CFG. I changed them when trying out your settings but forgot to backup the original ones. Now they look like this: my_ip = 0.0.0.0 ;my_ip = DHCP ;netmask = 255.255.255.0 ;gateway = 0.0.0.0 # sockdelay=40 hostname=arachne mss=512 Lester From

Re: [Freedos-user] How To Get Arachne Working With DSL Connection?

2006-10-12 Thread Lester Vedrox
# sockdelay=40 hostname=arachne mss=512 Lester From: Japheth [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont know what's wrong with your config, but mine looks like this: [tcp/ip] IP_Address WATTCP IP_Grab IP address set to NameServer 0.0.0.0 AltNameServer 0.0.0.0 Gateway 0.0.0.0 AltGateway

Re: [Freedos-user] How To Get Arachne Working With DSL - Resolved

2006-10-12 Thread Lester Vedrox
/img139/5972/10122006224112zd5.png The resulting Arachne.cfg looks as follows: [tcp/ip] IP_Address 192.168.1.1 IP_Grab IP address set to NameServer 192.168.1.1 AltNameServer 0.0.0.0 Gateway 192.168.1.1 AltGateway 0.0.0.0 Netmask 255.255.255.0 TCPconfig LANTCP.CFG Lester From: Bernd Blaauw

Re: [Freedos-user] Packet Driver For Arachne Browser

2006-10-11 Thread Lester Vedrox
be: RTSPKT.COM 0x60 -m ??? 2 3 Lester - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v

Re: [Freedos-user] Packet Driver For Arachne Browser

2006-10-10 Thread Lester Vedrox
text only. Can someone post a URL that works. Lester - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics

[Freedos-user] Defrag 1.21 Full Optimization Problems

2006-10-10 Thread Lester Vedrox
Full optimization defrag doesn't work on my system. command line: DEFRAG /C C: /F /FO result: Undefined Problem Screenshot: http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1486/10102006160335un9.png Lester PS: is there a way to capture a screen like that as a txt file

[Freedos-user] What Is The Latest Version Of Arachne Browser

2006-10-09 Thread Lester Vedrox
Fdfullcd.iso from Ibiblio http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/ has some Arachne browser files. According to Readme.txt it is v1.70 rev3 from 2001-12-22. I have v1.90JG-387 (date unknown). Is it just outdated Readme file? All executables show the date

Re: [Freedos-user] What Is The Latest Version Of Arachne Browser

2006-10-09 Thread Lester Vedrox
The latest seems to be v1.90J1 from 2006-08-28: http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/arachne/ - Original Message - From: Lester Vedrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:10:46 -0400 Fdfullcd.iso from Ibiblio http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files

Re: [Freedos-user] Packet Driver For Arachne Browser

2006-10-09 Thread Lester Vedrox
is the screenshot of Arachne.cfg http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6112/10092006151018wi2.png Still no luck. Any suggestions? Lester - Original Message - From: Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:31:14 +0200 (MEST) the driver which came with the card is called

[Freedos-user] Arachne Browser TCP/IP Setup

2006-06-09 Thread Lester Vedrox
manually (non-standard port) won't help either. Lester -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze ___ Freedos-user mailing list

Re: [Freedos-user] IRQ 17 what?

2006-06-09 Thread Lester Vedrox
EA irq are numbered 0 to 15, so what do you mean by irq 17? The last IRQ on my system has number 22: Windows XP - accessories - system tools - system information - hardware resources - IRQs EA is this a real modem or more a soundcard (winmodem)? It seems to be a real hardware modem:

[Freedos-user] Partitioning Software

2006-06-07 Thread Lester Vedrox
NTFS partitions back to FAT, the feature that was absent in PartitionMagic. Acronis Disk Director Suite seems to have the best choice of features of all three products, but I have never tried it so can't comment on it. Lester -- ___ Surf the Web

Re: [Freedos-user] why make partitions hidden?

2006-06-05 Thread Lester Vedrox
or up to 3 primary partitions and one extended partition with any quantity of logical partitions. Thanks, Arkady for correcting my original message. I should have read it twice before posting. Lester -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer

Re: [Freedos-user] freedos installation

2006-06-04 Thread Lester Vedrox
. Lester ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user

[Freedos-user] Command.com XMS Swap

2006-05-22 Thread Lester Vedrox
/cmdxms.HEAD.zip 2) Official version: 0.82 pl3 XMS_swap (92 KB): http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/freedos/com082pl3-xmsswap.zip?download Pre-release 0.84 seems to be working just fine. Lester --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need

[Freedos-user] Command With Colour Escape Sequence

2006-05-19 Thread Lester Vedrox
The colour escape sequence in NANSI.SYS to get yellow letters on a black background is: SGR:ESC[33;40m How the command line should exactly look like? Someone mentioned before that it would work with ECHO. The following doesn't work: C:\FDOS\BIN\NANSI.SYS /S SGR:ESC[33;40m SGR:ESC[33;40

Re: [Freedos-user] Command With Colour Escape Sequence

2006-05-19 Thread Lester Vedrox
Thanks, Arkady. If you don't know how to insert ESC code in your favorite editor use eecho command. What's the Esc code in FreeDos Edit.exe v 0.7d? Lester - Original Message - From: Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lester Vedrox wrote: The colour escape sequence in NANSI.SYS

Re: [Freedos-user] Command With Colour Escape Sequence

2006-05-19 Thread Lester Vedrox
What's the Esc code in FreeDos Edit.exe v 0.7d? If you give me link to this editor, I may try to check it. Here is the link: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/edit/ Then go to edit07d.zip -- ___ Surf the Web in a

Re: [Freedos-user] Command With Colour Escape Sequence

2006-05-19 Thread Lester Vedrox
/blue/magenta/cyan/white 40-47 background black/red/green/yellow/blue/magenta/cyan/white Lester -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

[Freedos-user] Config.sys: FCBS Country Commands

2006-05-18 Thread Lester Vedrox
Thanks, everyone, for your help (re: Customizing Startup Files). Two more questions. 1) What is FCBS=1 2) Were can you find country codes? FILES=40 BREAK=ON STACKS=9,256 LASTDRIVE=Z BUFFERS=16,0 NUMLOCK=OFF FCBS=1 COUNTRY= DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB Lester

[Freedos-user] TDSK.EXE and XMSDSK.EXE

2006-05-16 Thread Lester Vedrox
): SHCDX33A /D:?CDRCACH$ /L:A If this can't be done with RAM disk then the next option is USB drive (possible to achieve but more complicated). -- PS: Archives at SourcfeForge froze up on May-05: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=freedos-user Lester

[Freedos-user] Re: Problems Loading SHSURDRV.EXE

2006-05-16 Thread Lester Vedrox
\QCDROM.SYS /D:CDROM1 DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\CDRCACHE.SYS CDROM1 CDRCACH$ 12 DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\NANSI.SYS /S SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS SET DIRCMD=/P /OG /A INSTALL=C:\FDOS\BIN\SHSURDRV.EXE 8192K /V /Q INSTALLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\LBACACHE.COM 8192 SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /P=C:\FDAUTO.BAT / END / Lester

Re: [Freedos-user] Problems Loading SHSURDRV.EXE

2006-05-15 Thread Lester Vedrox
/D:CDROM1 DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\CDRCACHE.SYS CDROM1 CDRCACH$ 12 DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\NANSI.SYS /S SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS SET DIRCMD=/P /OG /A INSTALL=C:\FDOS\BIN\SHSURDRV.EXE 8192K /V /Q INSTALLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\LBACACHE.COM 8192 SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /P=C:\FDAUTO.BAT / END / Lester

[Freedos-user] TDSK.EXE and XMSDSK.EXE

2006-05-14 Thread Lester Vedrox
/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=freedos-user Lester --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application

[Freedos-user] Re: TDSK.EXE and XMSDSK.EXE

2006-05-14 Thread Lester Vedrox
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[Freedos-user] Problems Loading SHSURDRV.EXE

2006-05-14 Thread Lester Vedrox
instead of DEVICEHIGH. Or should it be just loaded from Autoexec.bat instead of Config.sys? After running MEM command my XMS readings with TDSK loaded are as follows: total=456640, used=11442 Lester --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need

[Freedos-user] How To Convert File US.KEY to US.KL

2006-05-09 Thread Lester Vedrox
How to convert file US.KEY to US.KL? *.key files are available in kpdos23s.zip here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kblayout/ After unzipping: kpdos23s\source\keydos\us.key Lester --- Using

Re: [Freedos-user] Customizing Startup Files

2006-05-09 Thread Lester Vedrox
. The following approach didn't solve the problem either (kb2pre4.zip): LH KEYB US,,C:\FDOS\BIN\KEYBOARD.SYS Maybe it's because it's multimedia keyboard. Lester -- To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Customizing Startup Files Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:45:38

[Freedos-user] RE: FreeCOM memory allocation error with SHSUCDX

2006-05-08 Thread Lester Vedrox
: SHCDX33A /D:?CDROM1 /C /V /~+ /Q+ Lester --- From: John Hupp [EMAIL PROTECTED] RE: FreeCOM memory allocation error with SHSUCDX 2006-05-03 16:52 I wrote on April 15 (see original text below) about a memory allocation error that I was getting on 3 computers

[Freedos-user] Customizing Startup Files

2006-05-08 Thread Lester Vedrox
except that right ALT key doesn't work. Ideally I would like to get it working as well. Thanks Lester -- Here is the complete copy of both startup files: ---FDCONFIG.SYS--- FILES=50 BREAK=ON STACKS=9,256 SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS LASTDRIVE=Z BUFFERS=20,0 DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB SET

[Freedos-user] RE: Xcopy Command Problem

2006-05-05 Thread Lester Vedrox
/freedos-lsm.cgi?q=da=base Lester --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based

[Freedos-user] Re: Can't Boot To Hard Drive

2006-05-05 Thread Lester Vedrox
. - From: Mark Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Can't Boot To Hard Drive 2006-05-04 12:59 Good day, Lester: Have you tried the development kernel.sys file from http://fdos.org/kernel/? Especially if your computer does not have a floppy disk drive

[Freedos-user] Can't Boot To Hard Drive

2006-05-04 Thread Lester Vedrox
. Enter the full shell command line: command.com /p /e:256 Lester --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere

[Freedos-user] Xcopy Command Problem

2006-05-02 Thread Lester Vedrox
Xcopy command doesn't work (distro: fdbootcd.iso). Any ideas how to fix that? Here is example of what I'm trying to do: XCOPY C:\TEMP\TEST E:\TEMP\TEST\ /S /V Thanks --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,