Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2595, Issue 3

[John via Freedos-user]

> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:56:58 -0500
> From: Jim Hall 
> 
> I think you have experienced what is known as "AI Hallucination" where
> the AI just makes stuff up.

"I asked ELIZA about this in-depth technical question and here's what
she babbled, can you tell me if it's anything approaching conventional
flesh-brain notions of 'correct?'" is definitely getting to be A Thing
on computing fora/lists of late :/


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS install

[Robert Riebisch via Freedos-user]

Hi Norby,

> Thanks to jerome I believe the issue was tryin to install over the old
> copy since i fprmated the drive before the install this time and it
> worked.  I probably should have tried that before sendin out the long
> message.  My gremlin there.

Glad it worked now.

> I cannot use vbox since my pc cannot run it, unless there is an xp
> version.  I prefer connectix virtual pc in xp and have the option to
> share files between xp and the virtual machine.

For the record:
Older VirtualBox versions (<6.0) should still run on Windows XP, but I
didn't try for myself.
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=66264
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_5_2

By the way: Oldest version I have here is
`VirtualBox_1.5.6-1_Win_x86.msi` from 2008. It's only 18 Mbyte in size,
while v5.2.44 is 105 Mbyte.

Cheers,
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS install

[Norby Droid via Freedos-user]

Thanks to jerome I believe the issue was tryin to install over the old copy
since i fprmated the drive before the install this time and it worked.  I
probably should have tried that before sendin out the long message.  My
gremlin there.

I cannot use vbox since my pc cannot run it, unless there is an xp
version.  I prefer connectix virtual pc in xp and have the option to share
files between xp and the virtual machine.

Thanls to everyone for their replies and assistance.  Great community.

On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:27 Paul Dufresne  wrote:

>
> https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/FDT2404-LiveCD.zip
> worked for me (in QEMU).
> I have chosen 'Install to hard disk' from the main menu.
>
> Do you install in english?
>
> Have you verified the file with
> https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/verify.txt
> ?
> You could use https://www.winmd5.com/ ...
>
> Maybe try with VirtualBox:
> https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.14/VirtualBox-7.0.14-161095-Win.exe
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS install

[Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user]

https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/FDT2404-LiveCD.zip
worked for me (in QEMU).
I have chosen 'Install to hard disk' from the main menu.

Do you install in english?

Have you verified the file with 
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/verify.txt
 ?
You could use https://www.winmd5.com/ ... 

Maybe try with VirtualBox: 
https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.14/VirtualBox-7.0.14-161095-Win.exe


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS install

[Norby Droid via Freedos-user]

The install I have wanted to try (in connectix vpc) is the test FreeDOS
FDT2404-Live CD.zip from ibiblio.  The test fails on both options with or
without sources added.  TestDisk is where it will always stop.
‘Util\testdisk’ package. A reboot may help.

On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 01:49 Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > On Apr 6, 2024, at 8:40 PM, Norby Droid via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >
> > One issue I find alot when tryin to install FreeDos is that it would go
> most of the way through the install then without any reason and no
> explanation as to why, it just stops and says there is a problem so reboot
> or exit.
>
> The installer is batch based. It uses other executable utilities to
> perform the required tasks. This limits the amount of information that is
> passed back to the installer when an error occurs.
>
> However, there are only a couple things that generally cause an install to
> fail after packages have already started to extract successfully.
>
> Corrupted install media.
> Insufficient disk space.
> File conflicts.
>
> Around the time of the 1.3 release, there was a file conflict that would
> occur when Full+Sources was selected. One of the packages contained its
> source files and those of another package. So when selected, it would cause
> a conflict during installation. That conflict was resolved and does not
> occur in the latest test builds.
>
> You could just install BASE with or without sources. Then after rebooting
> from the installed system, put the CD back into the drive and run FDIMPLES.
>
> That will make it easy to install any additional packages that could have
> been installed with FULL or those from the BonusCD.
>
> You could also try the monthly interim test build of FreeDOS. While it is
> not a “release”, it contains many fixes since 1.3 and numerous software
> updates. However, it is a test build and some of the updated software may
> have issues. It is available on ibiblio in the test directory for
> distributions.
>
> >
> > I have FD in three locations.  Second drive in my old desktop, usb
> drive, and in connectix virtual pc in windows xp.  The glitch would happen
> no matter which environment I use.  I decided to use 7zip to test and
> extract all files from the liveCD and all passed and was successful.  As
> another test I went in and tested all the .zip files found in the
> directories and they also all passed the test.  I take from this that if
> the files are good then the issue is with my system?
>
> If your installing Full + Sources, possibly not.
>
> >
> > Is there any way to find out why it crashes?
>
> Not really.
>
> When 1.3 was released, there was no reliable good was to record such
> information during installation.
>
> Since that time, a new utility was created that can efficiently record
> boot messages, program output and other messages. That programs recording
> could be output to a log when needed.
>
> However, no decision has been made to use the program on the install
> media. If it were, support could be added to the installer to record more
> detailed information about the installation process.
>
>
> > I know in the latest version on ibiblio the file “TestDisk” is where it
> would always crash.  Is it possible to just extract all the .zip files into
> separate directories in each folder the zips reside in and still have a
> proper FreeDos install?
>
> Well, mostly yes. But, there are some issues with dying it that way.
>
> Most programs that come with FreeDOS will work fine regardless of what
> directory they are located. However, a few won’t and need configured for
> their location.
>
> Also, the directories in the zip archive are meta-directories. Many paths
> are remapped during the package installation.
>
> :-)
> Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS install

[Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user]

Hi,

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 8:40 PM, Norby Droid via Freedos-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> One issue I find alot when tryin to install FreeDos is that it would go most 
> of the way through the install then without any reason and no explanation as 
> to why, it just stops and says there is a problem so reboot or exit.

The installer is batch based. It uses other executable utilities to perform the 
required tasks. This limits the amount of information that is passed back to 
the installer when an error occurs. 

However, there are only a couple things that generally cause an install to fail 
after packages have already started to extract successfully.

Corrupted install media.
Insufficient disk space.
File conflicts.

Around the time of the 1.3 release, there was a file conflict that would occur 
when Full+Sources was selected. One of the packages contained its source files 
and those of another package. So when selected, it would cause a conflict 
during installation. That conflict was resolved and does not occur in the 
latest test builds.

You could just install BASE with or without sources. Then after rebooting from 
the installed system, put the CD back into the drive and run FDIMPLES. 

That will make it easy to install any additional packages that could have been 
installed with FULL or those from the BonusCD.

You could also try the monthly interim test build of FreeDOS. While it is not a 
“release”, it contains many fixes since 1.3 and numerous software updates. 
However, it is a test build and some of the updated software may have issues. 
It is available on ibiblio in the test directory for distributions.

> 
> I have FD in three locations.  Second drive in my old desktop, usb drive, and 
> in connectix virtual pc in windows xp.  The glitch would happen no matter 
> which environment I use.  I decided to use 7zip to test and extract all files 
> from the liveCD and all passed and was successful.  As another test I went in 
> and tested all the .zip files found in the directories and they also all 
> passed the test.  I take from this that if the files are good then the issue 
> is with my system?

If your installing Full + Sources, possibly not.

> 
> Is there any way to find out why it crashes? 

Not really. 

When 1.3 was released, there was no reliable good was to record such 
information during installation.

Since that time, a new utility was created that can efficiently record boot 
messages, program output and other messages. That programs recording could be 
output to a log when needed. 

However, no decision has been made to use the program on the install media. If 
it were, support could be added to the installer to record more detailed 
information about the installation process. 


> I know in the latest version on ibiblio the file “TestDisk” is where it would 
> always crash.  Is it possible to just extract all the .zip files into 
> separate directories in each folder the zips reside in and still have a 
> proper FreeDos install?

Well, mostly yes. But, there are some issues with dying it that way.

Most programs that come with FreeDOS will work fine regardless of what 
directory they are located. However, a few won’t and need configured for their 
location.

Also, the directories in the zip archive are meta-directories. Many paths are 
remapped during the package installation.  

:-)
Jerome

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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS install

[Norby Droid via Freedos-user]

One issue I find alot when tryin to install FreeDos is that it would go
most of the way through the install then without any reason and no
explanation as to why, it just stops and says there is a problem so reboot
or exit.

I have FD in three locations.  Second drive in my old desktop, usb drive,
and in connectix virtual pc in windows xp.  The glitch would happen no
matter which environment I use.  I decided to use 7zip to test and extract
all files from the liveCD and all passed and was successful.  As another
test I went in and tested all the .zip files found in the directories and
they also all passed the test.  I take from this that if the files are good
then the issue is with my system?

Is there any way to find out why it crashes?  I know in the latest version
on ibiblio the file “TestDisk” is where it would always crash.  Is it
possible to just extract all the .zip files into separate directories in
each folder the zips reside in and still have a proper FreeDos install?

I love FreeDos and use it more than xp for Basic Programming in a couple
different ones (PowerBasic 3.5 and FreeBasic).

Thank You Jim Hall amd all those involved with its development.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS webpage - where can I see more News?

[Jim Hall via Freedos-user]

I will need to add a link or button to show more news. Right now, it
just shows the latest six news items.

The FreeDOS news items are actually stored in the SourceForge News
system, and the website pulls from the RSS feed to generate the news
items for the front page. Here's the link to our news items on SF:
https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/



On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:55 PM Ladislav Lacina via Freedos-user
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>
> After last changes of the FreeDOS webpage I don't know how to display more 
> "What's new" on the webpage.
> In the previous designs there was a link like "Older news" but now I do not 
> see it more.
> I was looking the announcement for the Dosfetch utility but because of this 
> issue I was not able to find it.
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS webpage - where can I see more News?

[Ladislav Lacina via Freedos-user]

After last changes of the FreeDOS webpage I don't know how to display more
"What's new" on the webpage.

In the previous designs there was a link like "Older news" but now I do not
see it more.

I was looking the announcement for the Dosfetch utility but because of this
issue I was not able to find it.

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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Forums

[andrew fabbro via Freedos-user]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 5:47 AM Linvel Risner via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I don't imagine we have a forum, just an email list, right?
>

There are some forums listed here:

https://www.freedos.org/forums/

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2024 calendar coming soon

[Jim Hall via Freedos-user]

Jim Hall wrote:
[..]
>>> The anniversary is coming up in June 2024. I'm trying to finish a
>>> 2024 calendar that you can buy (at low cost, if you want it in print)
>>> or download (if you just want the images). I'm trying to finish
>>> grading a bunch of university classes that I teach, so I haven't had
>>> time to finish the calendar - but grades are due soon and the calendar
>>> will follow shortly after.
>>>


FYI: I've finished grading so now I'm starting on the calendar.

The calendar will be a series of screenshots of FreeDOS programs, and
possibly a little "info box" on each to talk about it. I'm open to
suggestions! Currently I'm thinking about these (not in order):

- FreeDOS command.com ("FreeCOM") version 0.60 [screenshot from FreeDOS Alpha 5]

- FreeDOS kernel 0.92 [screenshot from FreeDOS Beta 1]

- "Welcome to the FreeDOS install program (version 2.2)" [screenshot
from FreeDOS Beta 2]

- installing FreeDOS Kernel 2010 [screenshot from FreeDOS Beta 5]

- screenshot of FreeDOS Beta 9 boot CD menu

- screenshot of Block Drop

- screenshot of the standard 16-color (8 background colors) screen test

- screenshot of Edlin 2.23 [probably for May, because that was the
month Gregory released the first version of Edlin]

- screenshot of FreeDOS installer [from FreeDOS 1.0]

- screenshot of FDIMPLES [from FreeDOS 1.3]

- screenshot of "FreeDOS 1.3 - Install" [from FreeDOS 1.3]

- screenshot of FreeDOS 1.3 after it's booted to the command line



Of these, 5 are basically black with gray text (alpha 5 command.com,
beta 1 kernel, beta 2 install, edlin, and FreeDOS 1.3 after boot). And
4 are basically blue with text (beta 3 install, FreeDOS 1.0 install,
FDIMPLES, and FreeDOS 1.3 install). That might not be very visually
interesting - but probably interesting historically. Would you
recommend *not* using any of the above screenshots? Are there other
screenshots that you'd like to see instead?


Jim


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2024 calendar coming soon

[robert roper via Freedos-user]

If the calendar is a bunch of engineers in bathing suits, then I'll take 10.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 9:02 AM Gabriele Barbone via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Merry Christmas guys and Happy 2024
>
> Il dom 17 dic 2023, 20:43 Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> ha scritto:
>
>> (I'm re-sharing this item from my virtual get-together "followup"
>> email so it gets seen by others)
>>
>>
>> The anniversary is coming up in June 2024. I'm trying to finish a
>> 2024 calendar that you can buy (at low cost, if you want it in print)
>> or download (if you just want the images). I'm trying to finish
>> grading a bunch of university classes that I teach, so I haven't had
>> time to finish the calendar - but grades are due soon and the calendar
>> will follow shortly after.
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2024 calendar coming soon

[Gabriele Barbone via Freedos-user]

Merry Christmas guys and Happy 2024

Il dom 17 dic 2023, 20:43 Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> ha scritto:

> (I'm re-sharing this item from my virtual get-together "followup"
> email so it gets seen by others)
>
>
> The anniversary is coming up in June 2024. I'm trying to finish a
> 2024 calendar that you can buy (at low cost, if you want it in print)
> or download (if you just want the images). I'm trying to finish
> grading a bunch of university classes that I teach, so I haven't had
> time to finish the calendar - but grades are due soon and the calendar
> will follow shortly after.
>
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2024 calendar coming soon

[Jim Hall via Freedos-user]

(I'm re-sharing this item from my virtual get-together "followup"
email so it gets seen by others)


The anniversary is coming up in June 2024. I'm trying to finish a
2024 calendar that you can buy (at low cost, if you want it in print)
or download (if you just want the images). I'm trying to finish
grading a bunch of university classes that I teach, so I haven't had
time to finish the calendar - but grades are due soon and the calendar
will follow shortly after.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS or DOS based mail clients

[Bret Johnson via Freedos-user]

My understanding is that there are two major differences between POP and IMAP.  
The first is that POP only allows one-way communication (downloading from the 
server to the client) so there is no synchronization mechanism.  If you 
download the same e-mail to multiple devices, each one can be set up 
differently (specifically in terms of folders).  When you want to send mail, 
you must use a different protocol (SMTP).

The second difference is that IMAP is designed to be used in a client-server 
configuration where the e-mails stay stored on the server and are never 
actually downloaded (at least not permanently) to the client.  That allows 
access to the same e-mail account from multiple devices and there is only one 
"real" copy of the e-mail (stored on the server).  Programs like MS Outlook can 
store a local cached version of the e-mail, and there can be a lot of 
complication involved in making sure the cache stays synchronized with reality 
(what's on the server is "reality").

There are advantages and disadvantages to each approach.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS or DOS based mail clients

[Eric Auer via Freedos-user]

Hi Jose,


  > PS: The older POP3 only allowed access to the inbox,
  > while IMAP also allows access to your other mail folders,
  > so I expect most mail providers to support IMAP now.

   I thought that folders were a client-side
  convention, and mail (POP3, IMAP) servers kept
  all incoming mail to one address together.


Folders are something managed on the server and you
can use either IMAP or webmail to access them.

With POP3, you can only access the inbox, so you
would have to use the client to move individual
mails to folders stored on your local disk. The
mails in those client side folders would not be
visible on other devices or webmail, so I assume
and hope that most providers support IMAP today,
so all devices can share the same folders :-)

According to the google support website, IMAP
will always be active for gmail in the future.

No idea how old the article is - probably the
future already is now :-) In the past, one had
to manually enable it using some online menu.

The google support website recommends that you
do not store sent mail on the server manually,
as sending mails via google will automatically
do that already. It also recommends to save
drafts, but not deleted mails on the server and
it recommends to not move deleted mails to the
trash can folder, as they would get permanently
deletted after a month in the trash can and
google prefers old mails to stay forever :-p
It recommends that you set your client to just
mark deleted mails as deleted where they are.

Servers for Gmail:

smtp.gmail.com TLS port 587 or SSL port 465.

imap.gmail.com SSL port 993.

pop.gmail.com SSL port 995 (but IMAP is better).

Use the email address as user name to log in.

Regards, Eric




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS or DOS based mail clients

[Jose Senna via Freedos-user]

  This is not strictly a DOS remark;
 it applies to any e-mail but I think it
 can appear here.

  Eric Auer said:

 > PS: The older POP3 only allowed access to the inbox,
 > while IMAP also allows access to your other mail folders,
 > so I expect most mail providers to support IMAP now.

  I thought that folders were a client-side
 convention, and mail (POP3, IMAP) servers kept
 all incoming mail to one address together.
  Webmail, that uses http(s) to access mail as
 links in a webpage is another story.



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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Ben Collver via Freedos-user]

Karen also asked about this on the lynx-dev mailing list.  They reported that 
panix.com tested squirrelmail and roundcube in lynx and found that neither 
works because certain controls in both apps are proprietary controls not 
standard web controls.

I don't do email on DOS, but if i did, i would probably telnet or SSH into an 
Internet-enabled BBS and mail from there. 
 Below are links to DOS email applications.  I cannot recommend any of these 
because they are old versions and i have no experience using them on DOS.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/mutt/

https://darrengoossens.wordpress.com/2023/07/01/email-on-freedos-in-2023-pegasus-mail/
http://www.dendarii.co.uk/FAQs/HOWTO-Install-Pegasus.html

https://mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/windows/old/PC-PINE-3.96/pcp_wat.zip
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/

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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user]

uot;. Or ditch Gmail altogether, finally... :) Not
easy, because it is already tied to a bunch of online services.

FWIW, I have an Unix shell account at sdf.org -- they are using
NetBSD, and here are the mail tools available from the command line:
http://sdf.lonestar.org/index.cgi?faq?EMAIL?02

(I've only used SquirrelMail from them, though, and maybe tested Pine.)

Might be a DOS History 101 level question, but I'm definitely more of
an end-user, so I dare :) -- Historically, what was actually the
reason why DOS didn't catch up with networking (as compared to
Unix-land)? Security issues, the system being single-user, etc? I
remember being somewhat surprised when I realized there really aren't
that many simple mail clients for DOS available.

Best,
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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user]

As I physically cannot use Linux outside of the shell services I use, that 
door is possible, just not from my desktop.

I do have a question though.
Does your configuration give you total access to  email contents, folders 
sent  mail, contact lists and the like?
I may need to pay someone to do the configuring for me here at shellworld 
for  my gmail account.




On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Nicholas Bernhard via Freedos-user wrote:


   I'm using Mutt right now, a command-line email client for Linux.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 07:01:11PM -0600, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:17 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
 wrote:


Google intends removing all access to basic HTML, and is forcing the issue
as of today.


Did they state a reason? Maintenance burden? Or just better security?
Because email was always plain text and pretty insecure.

Realistically, I wonder if there are supported Chromebooks for sale
with good accessibility options for basic tasks (emails, word
processing, browsing the web). (In some ways, I feel they aren't
tested well or aren't supported for long or just scattered in obscure
locations with little promotion.)


A second option   would be a command line  browser tool that substituted
for the gmail interface, but that, if I could not use it directly from
DOS, could be set up in the Ubuntu shell I have with shellworld.


I assume Ubuntu is much, much better supported. Surely somebody on
Linux (or BSD) does email via terminal / commandline.


My question is this.
is there a DOS only based email client, in freedos, in djppp or something
that might meet this need?


Text-based? Probably not. Though I always say it's not impossible ...
but, in reality, there are so few DJGPP volunteers that a lot doesn't
get done.

Georg Potthast did a graphical (FLTK) FLmail a while back. I never
tested it (and it's probably somewhat unstable), but I bet that mostly
works.

"FLMAIL91.zipFlMail email client version 0.91"
"FLMAIL91.zip2014-11-145.2 MB"

* 
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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Mart Zirnask via Freedos-user]

Hi,

On 22/11/2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user
 wrote:
> Does anybody here have experience with using a squirrelmail
> or roundcoube webmail in links? Might need less java script
> compared to gmail to use those, and one could forward the
> gmail mail to a mail provider with squirrelmail or roundcube.

I did use SquirrelMail in Links & text-mode Linux 1-2 years ago.
IIRC, Navigating frames (which SM uses) was slightly annoying, but doable.
Because it is simple HTML, it should be possible to skip SM's side
pane altogether and only display the mailbox view, though.

Even if it was (due to the frames) not exactly a streamlined
experience, I was definitely able to read and write mails, so for
smaller workloads, it is fine.

There is also the w3m text browser, which had handy vi-like
keybindings etc, but the tables and frames rendering is not as good as
in Links. Apparently there has been a DJGPP-based port, but (after
some googling) it might have been from ~20 years ago.
http://w3m.rocks/
https://github.com/albfan/w3m/blob/master/doc/README (confirmation on
the DOS port)

I can't remember if I ever tried to use Gmail with w3m, though. In any
case, Links was better at this.

I was actually going to suggest the exact same solution (forwarding
Gmail to a SM-based account). I'll very probably have to go the same
route myself, because Gmail's default view always feels a bit "too
much of everything". Or ditch Gmail altogether, finally... :) Not
easy, because it is already tied to a bunch of online services.

FWIW, I have an Unix shell account at sdf.org -- they are using
NetBSD, and here are the mail tools available from the command line:
http://sdf.lonestar.org/index.cgi?faq?EMAIL?02

(I've only used SquirrelMail from them, though, and maybe tested Pine.)

Might be a DOS History 101 level question, but I'm definitely more of
an end-user, so I dare :) -- Historically, what was actually the
reason why DOS didn't catch up with networking (as compared to
Unix-land)? Security issues, the system being single-user, etc? I
remember being somewhat surprised when I realized there really aren't
that many simple mail clients for DOS available.

Best,
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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Eric Auer via Freedos-user]

Hi!

As it seems that sshdos (ssh) and the links text mode browser
for DOS support current security protocols and https:

Does anybody here have experience with using a squirrelmail
or roundcoube webmail in links? Might need less java script
compared to gmail to use those, and one could forward the
gmail mail to a mail provider with squirrelmail or roundcube.

Another option, given that shellworld offers access to
Ubuntu Linux servers, would be to use any of the current
or less current text mode email clients. As long as they
support imap (or pop3) etc. they should work with gmail?

For example mutt, pine, alpine, cone, or the old mailx.

Graphical mail clients for DOS are not the answer here.

Regards, Eric

PS: I also wonder whether it is an option to run a Linux
email client in a shell directly on the router at home?




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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Nicholas Bernhard via Freedos-user]

I'm using Mutt right now, a command-line email client for Linux.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 07:01:11PM -0600, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:17 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
>  wrote:
> >
> > Google intends removing all access to basic HTML, and is forcing the issue
> > as of today.
> 
> Did they state a reason? Maintenance burden? Or just better security?
> Because email was always plain text and pretty insecure.
> 
> Realistically, I wonder if there are supported Chromebooks for sale
> with good accessibility options for basic tasks (emails, word
> processing, browsing the web). (In some ways, I feel they aren't
> tested well or aren't supported for long or just scattered in obscure
> locations with little promotion.)
> 
> > A second option   would be a command line  browser tool that substituted
> > for the gmail interface, but that, if I could not use it directly from
> > DOS, could be set up in the Ubuntu shell I have with shellworld.
> 
> I assume Ubuntu is much, much better supported. Surely somebody on
> Linux (or BSD) does email via terminal / commandline.
> 
> > My question is this.
> > is there a DOS only based email client, in freedos, in djppp or something
> > that might meet this need?
> 
> Text-based? Probably not. Though I always say it's not impossible ...
> but, in reality, there are so few DJGPP volunteers that a lot doesn't
> get done.
> 
> Georg Potthast did a graphical (FLTK) FLmail a while back. I never
> tested it (and it's probably somewhat unstable), but I bet that mostly
> works.
> 
> "FLMAIL91.zipFlMail email client version 0.91"
> "FLMAIL91.zip2014-11-145.2 MB"
> 
> * 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/files/Applications/Binary%20versions%20of%20FLTK%20applications/
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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Rugxulo via Freedos-user]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:17 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
 wrote:
>
> Google intends removing all access to basic HTML, and is forcing the issue
> as of today.

Did they state a reason? Maintenance burden? Or just better security?
Because email was always plain text and pretty insecure.

Realistically, I wonder if there are supported Chromebooks for sale
with good accessibility options for basic tasks (emails, word
processing, browsing the web). (In some ways, I feel they aren't
tested well or aren't supported for long or just scattered in obscure
locations with little promotion.)

> A second option   would be a command line  browser tool that substituted
> for the gmail interface, but that, if I could not use it directly from
> DOS, could be set up in the Ubuntu shell I have with shellworld.

I assume Ubuntu is much, much better supported. Surely somebody on
Linux (or BSD) does email via terminal / commandline.

> My question is this.
> is there a DOS only based email client, in freedos, in djppp or something
> that might meet this need?

Text-based? Probably not. Though I always say it's not impossible ...
but, in reality, there are so few DJGPP volunteers that a lot doesn't
get done.

Georg Potthast did a graphical (FLTK) FLmail a while back. I never
tested it (and it's probably somewhat unstable), but I bet that mostly
works.

"FLMAIL91.zipFlMail email client version 0.91"
"FLMAIL91.zip2014-11-145.2 MB"

* 
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[Freedos-user] freedos, or dos based mail clients?

[Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user]

Hi folks,
Google intends removing all access to basic HTML, and is forcing the issue 
as of today.
Because I keep a great deal of content in my personal gmail account, even 
using their web interface to convert documents I must sometimes read, I am 
seeking alternatives.
If I am honest, my preference would be an email client I can incorporate 
with Links for DOS and run from my desktop, that would pass gmail's 
noninclusive for me due to my combination of disability experiences 
verification process. Or something I can set up that gives me access to 
all of my content.
A second option   would be a command line  browser tool that substituted 
for the gmail interface, but that, if I could not use it directly from 
DOS, could be set up in the Ubuntu shell I have with shellworld.

My question is this.
is there a DOS only based email client, in freedos, in djppp or something 
that might meet this need?

Thanks for ideas and questions,
Kare




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol

[Ben Collver via Freedos-user]

Another option is to use a gemini proxy.  For example:

C:\>lynx https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/geminispace.info/search%3Ffreedos

This is an indirect way to access gemini://geminispace.info/search?freedos

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol

[Bryan Kilgallin via Freedos-user]

Thanks, Paul:


gemini://geminispace.info/search?freedos
There is a search "button" in top where you can enter term you care about.



Here I have given the term "Freedos" to search.


I'm using amfora in a terminal window.
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My old iiNet address will die 2 October!
Instead, send to my new address, "br...@exemail.com.au".
I don't currently have a working phone.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol

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 Le sam., 26 août 2023 03:52:41 -0400 Bryan Kilgallin via Freedos-user  a 
écrit 
 > I have installed amfora in a Ubuntu PC. And I briefly looked in the 
 > CAPCOM aggregator. 
 >  
 > But I feel lost! Please advise a newbie on browsing Gemini content. 
 > -- 
gemini://geminispace.info/search?freedos
There is a search "button" in top where you can enter term you care about.
Here I have given the term "Freedos" to search.

Frankly, I did not switch as much as I would like to use Gemini.

Maybe want to try an interactive adventure?:
gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/acdw/vault-guard/
I really did not play much... just to mention that Gemini can have some 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol

[Bryan Kilgallin via Freedos-user]

Thanks, Paul:


I recently learn of the Gemini protocol.


I apologise for slowness getting-around-to my e-Mail Inbox contents.

Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind 
your familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online 
collection of written documents which can link to other written 
documents.


I have installed amfora in a Ubuntu PC. And I briefly looked in the 
CAPCOM aggregator.


But I feel lost! Please advise a newbie on browsing Gemini content.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol

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 Le Sat, 19 Aug 2023 04:52:05 -0400 Michał Dec  a écrit 
 > Hello Paul,
 > 
 > You could've said "Gopher with TLS".
 
Well, I did not known much Gopher (that seems to have come down in popularity 
at the end of the nineties).

I think Gemini is about middle ground  between Gopher and HTML.

Gemini seems to be Unicode (rather than ASCII), have 3 text heading levels 
(seems Gopher had none), have list and preformated text regions (that Gopher 
have, did not have).
The fact also that carrier returns are respected in gemini-text, make it much 
more easier to create/format than HTML (comparing to the web rather than Gopher 
here).

Contrary to HTML also, no stuff in the middle of text: links, change to bold, 
etc. Only links on full lines.

It is probably this simplified HTML, but not to the point of Gopher, that make 
it interesting today.

About TLS, seems most capsules (term for Gemini sites I was searching for in my 
previous message) are using self-signed certificates.
Meaning, you know that the author is the same as last time you visited (unsure 
how well the gemini clients handled certificates history)... just not sure it 
is really who he claims to be. (My knowledge about TLS is relatively limited).
 



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol

[Michał Dec via Freedos-user]

Hello Paul,

You could've said "Gopher with TLS".

Best regards,

Michał

W dniu 19.08.2023 o 09:11, Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user pisze:

I recently learn of the Gemini protocol.

What is the Gemini protocol?

"1.1.1 The dense, jargony answer for geeks in a hurry

Gemini is an application-level client-server internet protocol for the 
distribution of arbitrary files, with some special consideration for 
serving a lightweight hypertext format which facilitates linking 
between hosted files. Both the protocol and the format are 
deliberately limited in capabilities and scope, and the protocol is 
technically conservative, being built on mature, standardised, 
familiar, "off-the-shelf" technologies like URIs, MIME media types and 
TLS. Simplicity and finite scope are very intentional design decisions 
motivated by placing a high priority on user autonomy, user privacy, 
ease of implementation in diverse computing environments, and 
defensive non-extensibility. In short, it is something like a 
radically stripped down web stack. See section 4 of this FAQ document 
for questions relating to the design of Gemini.


1.1.2 The gentler answer for everybody else

Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind 
your familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online 
collection of written documents which can link to other written 
documents. The main difference is that Gemini approaches this task 
with a strong philosophy of "keep it simple" and "less is enough".

"

"1.5 What kind of timeless user experience?

In a word, reading!

Reading text with a simple, clear, uncluttered layout without any 
animation or embedded videos or sidebars full of distracting, 
unrelated extras. If you use the "Reader Mode" in your web browser a 
lot and you love it because you think that 99% of the time it makes 
webpages ten times easier to use by throwing out all the useless 
clutter and just giving you what you want, you'll probably be excited 
to hear that everything in Geminispace looks that way all the time by 
default.

"

"1.6 So it's just words, then? No pictures, no sound?

Not quite. Like HTTP or Gopher, Gemini can serve any filetype at all, 
including images, audio, video and computer programs. There are tens 
of thousands of images in Geminispace, about five thousand PDF 
documents, and thousands of audio files!


But the only thing that a Gemini document can do with those files is 
link to them. You can't embed images or videos inside a page, sticking 
them in the background or between bits of text. Nothing ever plays 
automatically. All you can do is say to your reader, "Hey, here's a 
link to a picture, or a video, or some music". It's up to them whether 
they click the link or not - in Geminispace, the reader is always in 
control, not the author. "



I am writing this here, because I believe the low-resource needed to 
run a Gemini Browser is appropriate for FreeDOS.
Well, I guess FreeDOS could allow for Gemini server too, but because 
it would be the only application running on FreeDOS, it is probably 
not much interesting.


I think it could be interesting to consider doing a Gemini set of 
pages ... (they have a fancy name for that in Gemini community, but I 
don't find it now) for the FreeDOS project.


And also consider porting one of the Gemini client to FreeDOS... there 
is a list on the Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

Basically... this message is for considering this "new" technology 
inside FreeDOS project.




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol

[Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user]

On 19/08/2023 09:11, Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user wrote:
I am writing this here, because I believe the low-resource needed to run 
a Gemini Browser is appropriate for FreeDOS.


Gemini is an invention that shoehorns a gopher-like protocol into TLS.

TLS is everything but "low ressource".

For a low-power internet protocol there is the original Gopher.
FreeDOS comes with at least one gopher client already: gopherus.


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[Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user]

I recently learn of the Gemini protocol.



What is the Gemini protocol?



"1.1.1 The dense, jargony answer for geeks in a hurry



Gemini is an application-level client-server internet protocol for the 
distribution of arbitrary files, with some special consideration for serving a 
lightweight hypertext format which facilitates linking between hosted files. 
Both the protocol and the format are deliberately limited in capabilities and 
scope, and the protocol is technically conservative, being built on mature, 
standardised, familiar, "off-the-shelf" technologies like URIs, MIME media 
types and TLS. Simplicity and finite scope are very intentional design 
decisions motivated by placing a high priority on user autonomy, user privacy, 
ease of implementation in diverse computing environments, and defensive 
non-extensibility. In short, it is something like a radically stripped down web 
stack. See section 4 of this FAQ document for questions relating to the design 
of Gemini.



1.1.2 The gentler answer for everybody else



Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind your 
familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online collection of 
written documents which can link to other written documents. The main 
difference is that Gemini approaches this task with a strong philosophy of 
"keep it simple" and "less is enough". 

"



"1.5 What kind of timeless user experience?



In a word, reading!



Reading text with a simple, clear, uncluttered layout without any animation or 
embedded videos or sidebars full of distracting, unrelated extras. If you use 
the "Reader Mode" in your web browser a lot and you love it because you think 
that 99% of the time it makes webpages ten times easier to use by throwing out 
all the useless clutter and just giving you what you want, you'll probably be 
excited to hear that everything in Geminispace looks that way all the time by 
default. 

"



"1.6 So it's just words, then? No pictures, no sound?



Not quite. Like HTTP or Gopher, Gemini can serve any filetype at all, including 
images, audio, video and computer programs. There are tens of thousands of 
images in Geminispace, about five thousand PDF documents, and thousands of 
audio files!



But the only thing that a Gemini document can do with those files is link to 
them. You can't embed images or videos inside a page, sticking them in the 
background or between bits of text. Nothing ever plays automatically. All you 
can do is say to your reader, "Hey, here's a link to a picture, or a video, or 
some music". It's up to them whether they click the link or not - in 
Geminispace, the reader is always in control, not the author. "





I am writing this here, because I believe the low-resource needed to run a 
Gemini Browser is appropriate for FreeDOS.

Well, I guess FreeDOS could allow for Gemini server too, but because it would 
be the only application running on FreeDOS, it is probably not much interesting.



I think it could be interesting to consider doing a Gemini set of pages ... 
(they have a fancy name for that in Gemini community, but I don't find it now) 
for the FreeDOS project.



And also consider porting one of the Gemini client to FreeDOS... there is a 
list on the Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)



Basically... this message is for considering this "new" technology inside 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS code page Unicode compatibility

[Ralf Quint]

On 6/13/2023 11:08 AM, Jose Senna wrote:

  Vacek Nules said:


I'd like to ask the community's opinion and possible
endorsements to get the UTC to accept the [Forint] symbol

   Is the Forint still in use in Hungary ?
Yes, it is still the official currency of Hungary. They apparently 
didn't switch to the Euro like most everyone else...

   Does Unicode still have vacant space in
  its character table?


As I mentioned in my previous reply, this isn't really anything that is 
of concern for (Free)DOS, as DOS is not using Unicode. And as the OP 
mentioned, for (Free)DOS this would have to be added into one of the 
code pages, if there doesn't already a standard exist (I never had to 
deal with Hungarian localization, so I am not certain what all would be 
required here)



Ralf



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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS code page Unicode compatibility

[Jose Senna]

 Vacek Nules said:

> I'd like to ask the community's opinion and possible
> endorsements to get the UTC to accept the [Forint] symbol

  Is the Forint still in use in Hungary ?
  Does Unicode still have vacant space in
 its character table?


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS code page Unicode compatibility

[Ralf Quint]

On 6/13/2023 1:42 AM, EdzUp wrote:

Hi,
   To be fair this seems like a very good idea mainly because any 
barriers to FreeDOS use and acceptance should be removed and this 
seems like a reasonably easy thing to do as it already is there.


-Ed


Much less of a good idea (not referring to the issue at large) as 
(Free)DOS doesn't use Unicode in any form, shape or color, unless a 
specific, graphics enabled application is handling this by itself...



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Hi,
   To be fair this seems like a very good idea mainly because any barriers
to FreeDOS use and acceptance should be removed and this seems like a
reasonably easy thing to do as it already is there.

-Ed

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023, 22:58 Vacek Nules,  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm Vacek Nules, a software developer from Hungary. I’ve also posted this
> message to the *devel* mailing list, but after accidentally sending it to
> the list owner they’ve referred me to the *user* list, hence I repost it
> here.
> I’m the author of Unicode proposal L2/23-060, which concerns the addition
> of a "Ft" character representing the Hungarian forint to Unicode, in a
> similar vein to CP437's peseta sign.
> Although the initial opinion was supporting, acceptance of this proposal
> has been stalled by some dissenting members of the Unicode Technical
> Committee despite this character having been supported on many different
> (mostly historic and Hungarian) computer systems, including FreeDOS, which
> has a Ft sign at 0x9F in code page 57781 (Hungarian), which is currently
> unmappable to Unicode because of this character missing.
> I'd like to ask the community's opinion and possible endorsements to get
> the UTC to accept the symbol, which is also needed for porting other DOS
> software from Hungary (some still in productive non-hobby use, e.g.
> point-of-sale systems).
>
> Thanks,
> Vacek
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS code page Unicode compatibility

[Vacek Nules]

Hi everyone,

I'm Vacek Nules, a software developer from Hungary. I’ve also posted this
message to the *devel* mailing list, but after accidentally sending it to
the list owner they’ve referred me to the *user* list, hence I repost it
here.
I’m the author of Unicode proposal L2/23-060, which concerns the addition
of a "Ft" character representing the Hungarian forint to Unicode, in a
similar vein to CP437's peseta sign.
Although the initial opinion was supporting, acceptance of this proposal
has been stalled by some dissenting members of the Unicode Technical
Committee despite this character having been supported on many different
(mostly historic and Hungarian) computer systems, including FreeDOS, which
has a Ft sign at 0x9F in code page 57781 (Hungarian), which is currently
unmappable to Unicode because of this character missing.
I'd like to ask the community's opinion and possible endorsements to get
the UTC to accept the symbol, which is also needed for porting other DOS
software from Hungary (some still in productive non-hobby use, e.g.
point-of-sale systems).

Thanks,
Vacek
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3-RC3 News!

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello,


On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 at 11:27,  wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 13:26, Jerome Shidel  wrote:
>
>>
>> Why keyb need a 286, it’s a keyboard mapper?
>>
>
> It does not: KEYB /9 should work on 8088 class machines.
>
>
> Wow, this is an old thread (over 3 years)!
>
Well I am a little behind on mail  ;)


> KEYB requiring a 286 or better is based solely on:
>
> $ grep 286 *
> KEYBMSG.DE:STR2_7 = 'KEYB braucht (immer noch) einen AT/286 oder besser';
> KEYBMSG.NLS:STR2_7 = 'Keyb (still) requires an AT/286 or better';
>
> Being an English language and keyboard user, I neither use nor possess
> knowledge on using various NLS support programs like KEYB. So if there is
> support for hardware older than a 286 or options that provide
> compatibility, I would not know they exist.
>
> Watching it, I would say it requires a test, but my answer was based on
two facts:
(1) The G- compiler directive
(2) The fact that originally, it was based on int15h (as mkeyb), but I
wrote the /9 code, to precisely emulate the call of int9h => int 15h.

Sadly, my XT 8088 ceased to work time ago :(

Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3-RC3 News!

[Ralf Quint]

On 6/7/2023 3:44 AM, Liam Proven wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 at 10:28,  wrote:


Being an English language and keyboard user, I neither use nor possess 
knowledge on using various NLS support programs like KEYB.

Small but important point. The majority of English speakers are not
Americans and we don't use the American keyboard layout. EVERY English
language PC I ever set up in my >30y career ran some sort of keyboard
mapping tool to get my native English language, the language of
England, you know, us, the people who invented it, supported and
working.

keyb uk 437 c:\dos\keyboard.sys

Well, to be fair, the differences between the US and UK keyboard layout 
have pretty much nothing really to do with the language itself... ;-)



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3-RC3 News!

[Liam Proven]

On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 at 10:28,  wrote:

> Being an English language and keyboard user, I neither use nor possess 
> knowledge on using various NLS support programs like KEYB.

Small but important point. The majority of English speakers are not
Americans and we don't use the American keyboard layout. EVERY English
language PC I ever set up in my >30y career ran some sort of keyboard
mapping tool to get my native English language, the language of
England, you know, us, the people who invented it, supported and
working.

keyb uk 437 c:\dos\keyboard.sys

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3-RC3 News!

[jerome]

Hi Aitor,

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:19 PM, Aitor Santamaría  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jerome,
> 
> On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 13:26, Jerome Shidel  <mailto:jer...@shidel.net>> wrote:
> 
> Why keyb need a 286, it’s a keyboard mapper?
> 
> It does not: KEYB /9 should work on 8088 class machines.

Wow, this is an old thread (over 3 years)!

KEYB requiring a 286 or better is based solely on:

$ grep 286 *
KEYBMSG.DE:STR2_7 = 'KEYB braucht (immer noch) einen AT/286 oder besser';
KEYBMSG.NLS:STR2_7 = 'Keyb (still) requires an AT/286 or better';

Being an English language and keyboard user, I neither use nor possess 
knowledge on using various NLS support programs like KEYB. So if there is 
support for hardware older than a 286 or options that provide compatibility, I 
would not know they exist.

:-)

Jerome

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3-RC3 News!

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello Jerome,

On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 13:26, Jerome Shidel  wrote:

>
> Why keyb need a 286, it’s a keyboard mapper?
>

It does not: KEYB /9 should work on 8088 class machines.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi there,
I have not chosen the machine yet, intended to choose based on freedos 
requirements for networking.
as I require a serial port though, modern as sometimes defined by others 
is less likely,  but the physical port is an absolute must.
still this is helpful, if I locate say a thinkpad with onboard chip work 
for networking, along with my required serial port  I may be in fine stead 
indeed.

Kare



On Sat, 3 Jun 2023, Omar Yabar via Freedos-user wrote:


Hello Karen, turning back to your original question, there is a plenty of network chips 
freedos friendly, in order to know what chip is in your laptop you can use Astra 
http://www.sysinfolab.com/download.htm last version May 04, 2023, most popular network 
chip is Realtek RTL8111, RTL8168, RTL8169, RTL8136, etc; Intel E1000, E100; Atheros 
L1,L2, AR81XX, etc; VIA Velocity Gigabit, etc; Marvell Yukon; Broadcom B57, BX2, B44, 
etc; the list is very long. In my website you will find more information 
http://www.packetdriversdos.net one important advice is there not many modern packet 
driver, but using a "Shim" you can use?? ODI drivers or NDIS drivers working as 
packet drivers with small tweaks. In conclusion, many modern laptops are freedos 
friendly, even with 10th gen Intel Processors and more than 4gb of RAM, the only 
limitation is UEFI, if the laptop doesn't have CSM it is impossible to load Freedos.Good 
Luck

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Lewellen escribi??:   Hi folks,
After having been on this list for years, although I not running freedos, I
am considering a machine using the system alone.
That machine would be a laptop, likely a p3 much as my desktops are, if
unwise.
My main serious concern is how freedos would access the Internet from such
a machine.
Its been a long time, but previously only a handful of cards could?? use
Freedos and network, has this changed?
If so, what?? laptop specific hardware can freedos access for accessing the
Internet?
Thanks,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Omar Yabar via Freedos-user]

Hello Karen, turning back to your original question, there is a plenty of 
network chips freedos friendly, in order to know what chip is in your laptop 
you can use Astra http://www.sysinfolab.com/download.htm last version May 04, 
2023, most popular network chip is Realtek RTL8111, RTL8168, RTL8169, RTL8136, 
etc; Intel E1000, E100; Atheros L1,L2, AR81XX, etc; VIA Velocity Gigabit, etc; 
Marvell Yukon; Broadcom B57, BX2, B44, etc; the list is very long. In my 
website you will find more information http://www.packetdriversdos.net one 
important advice is there not many modern packet driver, but using a "Shim" you 
can use  ODI drivers or NDIS drivers working as packet drivers with small 
tweaks. In conclusion, many modern laptops are freedos friendly, even with 10th 
gen Intel Processors and more than 4gb of RAM, the only limitation is UEFI, if 
the laptop doesn't have CSM it is impossible to load Freedos.Good Luck

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  El vie., 2 de jun. de 2023 a la(s) 5:04 p. m., Karen 
Lewellen escribió:   Hi folks,
After having been on this list for years, although I not running freedos, I 
am considering a machine using the system alone.
That machine would be a laptop, likely a p3 much as my desktops are, if 
unwise.
My main serious concern is how freedos would access the Internet from such 
a machine.
Its been a long time, but previously only a handful of cards could  use 
Freedos and network, has this changed?
If so, what  laptop specific hardware can freedos access for accessing the 
Internet?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Karen Lewellen]

I respect you realize this is not what I am seeking.
while the idea is absolutely not a door for me, perhaps others will find 
it useful.




On Sat, 3 Jun 2023, Ben Collver wrote:


I realize this is not exactly what you are looking for, but another option is 
an RS-232 WIFI modem.  Below are eBay links for four ready-made products, plus 
a link describing how to DIY with a Raspberry Pi.  All of these options are 
powered by a USB cable.  I am guessing that a system with a Pentium 3 processor 
will have a USB port.  The DIY option looks promising to me because i could run 
SSH on the Raspberry PI, effectively offloading the crypto from the DOS CPU.

ArcaneByte RS232 WiFi Wireless Modem for Vintage Computers DB25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203949086189

Simple Wifi RS232 Modem v2 DB25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265519698197

WiFi Serial Modem for Retro Vintage computer Zimodem DB9
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204292941579

WiRSa v2 WiFi Wireless RS232 Serial Modem Adapter and SD card reader DB9
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175299622202

DIY internet access from a vintage computer using Raspberry Pi
https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/add-internet-access-to-a-vintage-computer-using-raspberry-pi

Another option is dual-booting.  I have a Pentium 3 laptop with FreeDOS 
installed, but i also carry around a Puppy Linux live CD just in case.  Puppy 
Linux has drivers for the laptop's built-in WIFI and i can use the live CD to 
do a quick download and save it to disk.  Just for fun, nothing serious.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Karen Lewellen]

Others are better with links  then myself.
If someone does not provide it, may I suggest searching for the term 
updated ssh for dos?

Should bring up the package.
 Sorry,
Kare



On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, tauro via Freedos-user wrote:


That's great news!
Where can it be found?
Would you please share a link to it?

Thank you

Tauro

On 2/6/23 21:10, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Yes, actually.
 someone updated sshdos so that it can support more current dh keys and so
 forth.
 Using it as I write in fact.



 On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, tauro via Freedos-user wrote:

>  Since you're talking about the internet, considering one is successful 
>  setting up the NIC,
> 
>  Is there a fully working/updated SSH client for DOS? With support for 
>  current ciphers, MACs and kex algorithms?
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Dan Schmidt]

https://github.com/AnttiTakala/SSH2DOS

Unfortunately, it did not seem to work anymore last time I tried it.  It
may be possible to enable some legacy ciphers on the ssh server to make it
work.  Personally, I telnet to another PC and and ssh from there.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 7:42 PM tauro via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> That's great news!
> Where can it be found?
> Would you please share a link to it?
>
> Thank you
>
> Tauro
>
> On 2/6/23 21:10, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Yes, actually.
> > someone updated sshdos so that it can support more current dh keys and
> > so forth.
> > Using it as I write in fact.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, tauro via Freedos-user wrote:
> >
> >> Since you're talking about the internet, considering one is
> >> successful setting up the NIC,
> >>
> >> Is there a fully working/updated SSH client for DOS? With support for
> >> current ciphers, MACs and kex algorithms?
> >>
> >> Tauro
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Ben Collver]

I realize this is not exactly what you are looking for, but another option is 
an RS-232 WIFI modem.  Below are eBay links for four ready-made products, plus 
a link describing how to DIY with a Raspberry Pi.  All of these options are 
powered by a USB cable.  I am guessing that a system with a Pentium 3 processor 
will have a USB port.  The DIY option looks promising to me because i could run 
SSH on the Raspberry PI, effectively offloading the crypto from the DOS CPU.

ArcaneByte RS232 WiFi Wireless Modem for Vintage Computers DB25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203949086189

Simple Wifi RS232 Modem v2 DB25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265519698197

WiFi Serial Modem for Retro Vintage computer Zimodem DB9
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204292941579

WiRSa v2 WiFi Wireless RS232 Serial Modem Adapter and SD card reader DB9
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175299622202

DIY internet access from a vintage computer using Raspberry Pi
https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/add-internet-access-to-a-vintage-computer-using-raspberry-pi

Another option is dual-booting.  I have a Pentium 3 laptop with FreeDOS 
installed, but i also carry around a Puppy Linux live CD just in case.  Puppy 
Linux has drivers for the laptop's built-in WIFI and i can use the live CD to 
do a quick download and save it to disk.  Just for fun, nothing serious.

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[tauro via Freedos-user]

That's great news!
Where can it be found?
Would you please share a link to it?

Thank you

Tauro

On 2/6/23 21:10, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Yes, actually.
someone updated sshdos so that it can support more current dh keys and 
so forth.

Using it as I write in fact.



On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, tauro via Freedos-user wrote:

Since you're talking about the internet, considering one is 
successful setting up the NIC,


Is there a fully working/updated SSH client for DOS? With support for 
current ciphers, MACs and kex algorithms?


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Karen Lewellen]

Yes, actually.
someone updated sshdos so that it can support more current dh keys and so 
forth.

Using it as I write in fact.



On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, tauro via Freedos-user wrote:

Since you're talking about the internet, considering one is successful 
setting up the NIC,


Is there a fully working/updated SSH client for DOS? With support for current 
ciphers, MACs and kex algorithms?


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Karen Lewellen]

thanks for sharing your perspective.
I am using pure DOS, including the packet driver setup for my desktop 
right now.
My hope, as  You provide here, is a list of suitable network hardware, cards 
or on board, that can manage the task.
If it is not freedos specific, meaning freedos can manage any such card, 
that may be a solution, some of the 3com tools manage this.

Cheers,
Karen



On Sat, 3 Jun 2023, Micha�~B Dec wrote:


Hi,

FreeDOS can be used to access a network if your network card has a DOS 
driver. Those are usually provided by the manufacturer of said card. You'll 
probably want a "packet driver", but I think someone who has more experience 
with networking under DOS would be able to give you better info. I remember 
quitting the entire ordeal because I had wget and other network tools crash 
all the time, and they exhibited some seriously jarring bugs like resolving 
domains that are supposed to be aliases, and not resolvable by any DNS. But 
that was when I was still using JEMMEX/JEMM386 so it's probably my fault.


Best regards,

Michał

W dniu 3.06.2023 o 00:02, Karen Lewellen pisze:

 Hi folks,
 After having been on this list for years, although I not running freedos,
 I am considering a machine using the system alone.
 That machine would be a laptop, likely a p3 much as my desktops are, if
 unwise.
 My main serious concern is how freedos would access the Internet from such
 a machine.
 Its been a long time, but previously only a handful of cards could   use
 Freedos and network, has this changed?
 If so, what  laptop specific hardware can freedos access for accessing
 the Internet?
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[tauro via Freedos-user]

Since you're talking about the internet, considering one is successful 
setting up the NIC,


Is there a fully working/updated SSH client for DOS? With support for 
current ciphers, MACs and kex algorithms?


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[Michał Dec]

Hi,

FreeDOS can be used to access a network if your network card has a DOS 
driver. Those are usually provided by the manufacturer of said card. 
You'll probably want a "packet driver", but I think someone who has more 
experience with networking under DOS would be able to give you better 
info. I remember quitting the entire ordeal because I had wget and other 
network tools crash all the time, and they exhibited some seriously 
jarring bugs like resolving domains that are supposed to be aliases, and 
not resolvable by any DNS. But that was when I was still using 
JEMMEX/JEMM386 so it's probably my fault.


Best regards,

Michał

W dniu 3.06.2023 o 00:02, Karen Lewellen pisze:

Hi folks,
After having been on this list for years, although I not running 
freedos, I am considering a machine using the system alone.
That machine would be a laptop, likely a p3 much as my desktops are, 
if unwise.
My main serious concern is how freedos would access the Internet from 
such a machine.
Its been a long time, but previously only a handful of cards could   
use Freedos and network, has this changed?
If so, what  laptop specific hardware can freedos access for accessing 
the Internet?

Thanks,
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[Freedos-user] Freedos, laptops, and the internet?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
After having been on this list for years, although I not running freedos, I 
am considering a machine using the system alone.
That machine would be a laptop, likely a p3 much as my desktops are, if 
unwise.
My main serious concern is how freedos would access the Internet from such 
a machine.
Its been a long time, but previously only a handful of cards could   use 
Freedos and network, has this changed?
If so, what  laptop specific hardware can freedos access for accessing the 
Internet?

Thanks,
Karen




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3-RC3 floppy ideas

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hi,

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 18:46, Eric Auer  wrote:

> > Probably just pull COUNTRY.SYS in favor of MKEYB.
>
> Make sure to check whether MKEYB works on 8086: It might
> require AT level BIOS functionality.
>

If that ever becomes a problem, FD-KEYB implements the /9 switch to use in
non-AT class machines.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS/V

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Hi,

On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 20:38, Ralf Quint  wrote:

> > * Collating/lowercase/uppercase tables, which in turn implies that
> > DBCS are handled where strings are handled, and my worry is about
> > filenames: how are filenames stored? how does it relate to 8.3
> > limitation, does it become 4.1 or does it require LFN...?
> For one, as DOS/V would specifically apply to Japanese (but the same
> would apply at least to Hangul (Korean) and Chinese), none of the script
> systems being used (Katagana, Hiragana, and certainly not Kanji (Chinese
> "characters")) has the concept of upper case/lower case...
>
Yeah, I know :) I just mentioned for completion, and specially for the
collating table.


> Ok, here is were that soft brown matter hits the fast rotating household
> appliance. I am pretty sure that in order to create a DBCS version of
> MS/PC-DOS, they did not use one and the same code base. Some basic DOS
> function would have to be completely replaced with DBCS aware versions,
> I don't think you can simply maintain dual-capable versions without
> significantly increased memory requirements.
>
Sure thing. Most worrying to me is to deal with DBCS strings where kernel
deals with strings, that is specially on filenames.


> And most importantly, I don't think that we at FreeDOS have simply the
> capacity to do any such adaptation. It would require AT LEAST one person
> that is fluent in English and Japanese, as well as being sufficiently
> proficient in programming.  I don't think there is even remotely anyone
> that could possibly fill that role within the current participants, nor
> even lurkers, or they would be more active (and possibly proposing
> required changes).
>
Agreed.


> This would not only apply to adaptations to the before mentioned East
> Asian languages and scripting systems, but also to things like
> right-to-left systems like Arabic and Hebrew
> (Urdu/Farsi/Pashto/Punjabi/Sindhi/etc)
>
Yeah, that's another adventure that would involve heavier changes in the
console at least.

Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS/V

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On 5/3/2023 12:29 PM, Aitor Santamaría wrote:

Hello!

Although I am some years late, my thoughts on this thread. By the way, 
a very interesting thread on localisation for a hard case (the need 
for DBCS).

Well,..


These thoughts are provided from the simple logic, not knowing about 
DOS/V. In my understanding, supporting Japanese would *at least* 
require the following functionalities, where the clue is given by 
NLSFUNC/COUNTRY:

* Country settings (for date, currency, etc.), that should be easy.

That indeed would be the easy part. But...
* Collating/lowercase/uppercase tables, which in turn implies that 
DBCS are handled where strings are handled, and my worry is about 
filenames: how are filenames stored? how does it relate to 8.3 
limitation, does it become 4.1 or does it require LFN...?
For one, as DOS/V would specifically apply to Japanese (but the same 
would apply at least to Hangul (Korean) and Chinese), none of the script 
systems being used (Katagana, Hiragana, and certainly not Kanji (Chinese 
"characters")) has the concept of upper case/lower case...
* All character devices that currently support IOCTL, should support 
this DBCS. As we have no PRINTER.SYS for PRN, we just need to focus on 
CON:
    - DISPLAY.SYS does not support DBCS, but I suppose that NNANSI 
that is being discussed here will do the work. However:

    - It would require KEYB to work with DBCS: this could work well:
           + if no codepage change is to be issued, DBCS can be outed 
as "strings" by keyb (with an appropriate KL file)
           + if codepage changes is to be issued (because 
NNANSI implements it), it should call  KEYB
* Finally, non-console UI utilities should be made to work with DBCS: 
this includes EDIT, INSTALL, ...


Ok, here is were that soft brown matter hits the fast rotating household 
appliance. I am pretty sure that in order to create a DBCS version of 
MS/PC-DOS, they did not use one and the same code base. Some basic DOS 
function would have to be completely replaced with DBCS aware versions, 
I don't think you can simply maintain dual-capable versions without 
significantly increased memory requirements.


And most importantly, I don't think that we at FreeDOS have simply the 
capacity to do any such adaptation. It would require AT LEAST one person 
that is fluent in English and Japanese, as well as being sufficiently 
proficient in programming.  I don't think there is even remotely anyone 
that could possibly fill that role within the current participants, nor 
even lurkers, or they would be more active (and possibly proposing 
required changes).


This would not only apply to adaptations to the before mentioned East 
Asian languages and scripting systems, but also to things like 
right-to-left systems like Arabic and Hebrew 
(Urdu/Farsi/Pashto/Punjabi/Sindhi/etc)



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS/V

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello!

Although I am some years late, my thoughts on this thread. By the way, a
very interesting thread on localisation for a hard case (the need for DBCS).

These thoughts are provided from the simple logic, not knowing about DOS/V.
In my understanding, supporting Japanese would *at least* require the
following functionalities, where the clue is given by NLSFUNC/COUNTRY:
* Country settings (for date, currency, etc.), that should be easy.
* Collating/lowercase/uppercase tables, which in turn implies that DBCS are
handled where strings are handled, and my worry is about filenames: how are
filenames stored? how does it relate to 8.3 limitation, does it become 4.1
or does it require LFN...?
* All character devices that currently support IOCTL, should support this
DBCS. As we have no PRINTER.SYS for PRN, we just need to focus on CON:
- DISPLAY.SYS does not support DBCS, but I suppose that NNANSI that is
being discussed here will do the work. However:
- It would require KEYB to work with DBCS: this could work well:
   + if no codepage change is to be issued, DBCS can be outed as
"strings" by keyb (with an appropriate KL file)
   + if codepage changes is to be issued (because NNANSI implements
it), it should call  KEYB
* Finally, non-console UI utilities should be made to work with DBCS: this
includes EDIT, INSTALL, ...

All that I can come up with for adding NLS support to DOS (probably there
are more that I am neglecting).

Aitor



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> ah! i will fix that asap
>
> i just changed the configuration and compiled it
>
> thats all
>
> FreeDOS/V is to DOS/V
> like what FreeDOS is to DOS
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS in proxmox

[tom ehlert]

> Right.  I thought about it later and wondered what the other DOS
> stacks did.  What does MS-NET

MS-NET is resident software, and AFAIR ping-able.

> or Trumpet do?
I have no idea.

> Probably the same thing
> as mTCP and WATTCP.

nope.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS in proxmox

[Louis Santillan]

Right.  I thought about it later and wondered what the other DOS
stacks did.  What does MS-NET or Trumpet do?  Probably the same thing
as mTCP and WATTCP.  I remember using ping in DOS to ensure
connectivity to Gateways and DNS, but I wasn't running any servers so
there was little reason to ping the DOS machine.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 11:23 AM Michael Brutman  wrote:
>
> Read the documentation for whatever networking software you are using.
>
> mTCP in particular is not a "resident" program, so your FreeDOS machine will 
> not respond to ping requests unless an mTCP program is actively running.  
> WATTCP programs have the same behavior.
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[Michael Brutman]

Read the documentation for whatever networking software you are using.

mTCP in particular is not a "resident" program, so your FreeDOS machine
will not respond to ping requests unless an mTCP program is actively
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS in proxmox

[Louis Santillan]

Can you ping in the other direction?  It may be that the bridged vmbr0
interface does not pass or there is nothing in the networking stack that
listens for ICMP packets.

See also
https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/solved-cant-ping-windows-vm.65736/


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> That worked.  Thank you.  I did discover that I now have network access
> in freedos but it does not respond to ping requests.  There are no
> firewall rules that would prevent this on my lan and I removed the check
> in the firewall box in proxmox for this host. Is there something that
> needs to be set in freedos to allow it to respond to ping requests?
>
> On 12/19/2022 3:41 AM, Louis Santillan wrote:
> > I just setup Proxmox 7.3.3 to do some testing Brett Johnson.  Had no
> > issues installing FD 1.3.  Chose "OS Type" as "Other", switched
> > "Network Device" to "rtl8139" and "Firewall" as "1".  Installed by
> > hand packages "FDNET", "MTCP", "CRYNWR".   There's no option for
> > passthru or private on the "Network Device".
> >
> > Did the following
> > c:\freedos\drivers\crynwr\rtspkt.com 0x60
> > c:\freedos\net\mtcp\dhcp.exe
> >
> > Had an IP from my DHCP server after that.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 7:26 PM Trever Noggle  wrote:
> >> Has anyone been able to get networking to work in proxmox.  No matter
> >> what I try it says that physical networking is not supported at this
> time.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS in proxmox

[Trever Noggle]

That worked.  Thank you.  I did discover that I now have network access 
in freedos but it does not respond to ping requests.  There are no 
firewall rules that would prevent this on my lan and I removed the check 
in the firewall box in proxmox for this host. Is there something that 
needs to be set in freedos to allow it to respond to ping requests?


On 12/19/2022 3:41 AM, Louis Santillan wrote:

I just setup Proxmox 7.3.3 to do some testing Brett Johnson.  Had no
issues installing FD 1.3.  Chose "OS Type" as "Other", switched
"Network Device" to "rtl8139" and "Firewall" as "1".  Installed by
hand packages "FDNET", "MTCP", "CRYNWR".   There's no option for
passthru or private on the "Network Device".

Did the following
c:\freedos\drivers\crynwr\rtspkt.com 0x60
c:\freedos\net\mtcp\dhcp.exe

Had an IP from my DHCP server after that.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 7:26 PM Trever Noggle  wrote:

Has anyone been able to get networking to work in proxmox.  No matter
what I try it says that physical networking is not supported at this time.



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS in proxmox

[Louis Santillan]

I just setup Proxmox 7.3.3 to do some testing Brett Johnson.  Had no
issues installing FD 1.3.  Chose "OS Type" as "Other", switched
"Network Device" to "rtl8139" and "Firewall" as "1".  Installed by
hand packages "FDNET", "MTCP", "CRYNWR".   There's no option for
passthru or private on the "Network Device".

Did the following
c:\freedos\drivers\crynwr\rtspkt.com 0x60
c:\freedos\net\mtcp\dhcp.exe

Had an IP from my DHCP server after that.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 7:26 PM Trever Noggle  wrote:
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> Has anyone been able to get networking to work in proxmox.  No matter
> what I try it says that physical networking is not supported at this time.
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Has anyone been able to get networking to work in proxmox.  No matter 
what I try it says that physical networking is not supported at this time.




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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Interim Builds

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Hi everybody,

I’m not sure if everyone is aware or not. So, I figured I mention this here…

We’ve been releasing FreeDOS Interim Builds for about 6 months now. I build 
them on the 1st of the month and push them up to the server for testing. These 
builds include the latest versions of our packages and the current state of the 
OS. These are not OS point releases. These builds are mainly for testing 
purposes and things can change a lot from one build to the next. 

We can always use more eyeballs to test things and provide feedback. If you 
interested in giving them a whirl, just head over to 
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/ 
 
and grab it. 

Occasionally when testers visit the server, they will see an old version. This 
is in part the servers stated cache settings and in part the web browser used.  
So, you may need to force it to refresh the page when checking for a new 
version. 

When possible, any bugs or issues should be reported through the FreeDOS 
Archive on GitLab at https://gitlab.com/FreeDOS  . 
That way we can keep track of them. If you are not a member on GitLab, you can 
also use the link on the https://freedos.org/bugs/  
page to email any issues.

:-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3

[Maruko Marchena]

good day to all, a query, how can I get FreeDOS, according to HP told me
that I have to request them from you to be able to generate the tests with
your equipment, otherwise, the guarantee does not continue. First of all,
Thanks

El jue, 27 oct 2022 a la(s) 09:42, Dale E Sterner (sunbeam...@juno.com)
escribió:

> Thank for the tip; I had no idea that could be done.
> I delete the s from the url and hit return it worked.
> I wonder what they are using now for cerificates,
> my browzer is loaded for bear and I still cann't
> connect.
>
>
> cheers
> DS
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 11:51:58 -0400 Jerome Shidel 
> writes:
> > Hi,
> >
> > > On Oct 17, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Dale E Sterner 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I recently tried to download Freedos 1.3 and had a problem.
> > > I used XPsp2 ; the download failed with a " unable to complete
> > > secure transaction".  Your download source is too restricted.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > DS
> >
> >
> > This is probably a result of Windows XP not supporting the minimum
> > required protocols to establish a secure connection. Luckily, you
> > can connect to the official download server without establishing a
> > secure connect at the same url using just http instead of https. For
> > example,
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/
> > to download one of the releases or interim test builds.
> >
> > :-)
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3

[Dale E Sterner]

Thank for the tip; I had no idea that could be done.
I delete the s from the url and hit return it worked.
I wonder what they are using now for cerificates,
my browzer is loaded for bear and I still cann't
connect.


cheers
DS


On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 11:51:58 -0400 Jerome Shidel 
writes:
> Hi, 
> 
> > On Oct 17, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I recently tried to download Freedos 1.3 and had a problem.
> > I used XPsp2 ; the download failed with a " unable to complete
> > secure transaction".  Your download source is too restricted.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > cheers
> > DS
> 
> 
> This is probably a result of Windows XP not supporting the minimum 
> required protocols to establish a secure connection. Luckily, you 
> can connect to the official download server without establishing a 
> secure connect at the same url using just http instead of https. For 
> example, 
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/ 
> to download one of the releases or interim test builds.
> 
> :-)
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3

[Lukas Satin]

Yes, or if you want to have HTTPS in WinXP, you can set up retro https
proxy gateway on 2nd machine (Linux router, Raspberry Pi or newer Windows
7/10 device, MacOS etc). I recommend WebOne project:
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=67165

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:53 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > On Oct 17, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Dale E Sterner 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I recently tried to download Freedos 1.3 and had a problem.
> > I used XPsp2 ; the download failed with a " unable to complete
> > secure transaction".  Your download source is too restricted.
> >
> >
> >
> > cheers
> > DS
>
>
> This is probably a result of Windows XP not supporting the minimum
> required protocols to establish a secure connection. Luckily, you can
> connect to the official download server without establishing a secure
> connect at the same url using just http instead of https. For example,
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/ to
> download one of the releases or interim test builds.
>
> :-)
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3

[Jerome Shidel]

Hi, 

> On Oct 17, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I recently tried to download Freedos 1.3 and had a problem.
> I used XPsp2 ; the download failed with a " unable to complete
> secure transaction".  Your download source is too restricted.
> 
> 
> 
> cheers
> DS


This is probably a result of Windows XP not supporting the minimum required 
protocols to establish a secure connection. Luckily, you can connect to the 
official download server without establishing a secure connect at the same url 
using just http instead of https. For example, 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/ to 
download one of the releases or interim test builds.

:-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3

[Dale E Sterner]

I recently tried to download Freedos 1.3 and had a problem.
I used XPsp2 ; the download failed with a " unable to complete
secure transaction".  Your download source is too restricted.



cheers
DS





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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-togethers in 2022

[John Vella]

A good work-life balance is really important, so I guess I'll see you guys
next year! 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022, 00:31 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I've managed to overload myself - that's good for a consultant, but
> bad for work-life balance. (That's also why I've been so silent on
> email lately.) So I need to take a break where I can. I love getting
> together on the FreeDOS virtual get-togethers, but I could really use
> that free time.
>
> Let's cancel the FreeDOS virtual get-togethers for October, November,
> and December. We'll figure out the new schedule for 2023 at that time,
> if folks want to keep doing them.
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-togethers in 2022

[Jim Hall]

Hi everyone!

I've managed to overload myself - that's good for a consultant, but
bad for work-life balance. (That's also why I've been so silent on
email lately.) So I need to take a break where I can. I love getting
together on the FreeDOS virtual get-togethers, but I could really use
that free time.

Let's cancel the FreeDOS virtual get-togethers for October, November,
and December. We'll figure out the new schedule for 2023 at that time,
if folks want to keep doing them.


Jim


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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-devel] mkeyb us: don't need a driver for US... BUT I AM NOT IN US!

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello,

And there we go with the example I was referring to in my previous email:
the same language requiring two keyboard layouts (possibly two codepages
too).
Well, I seem to understand that your problem is with the installer: it
should have given you the option to choose Canada/French to use a
non-French/France layout.

If I took it wrong, and you wanted a "hot-switch" of keyboard layouts from
FR/whatever to US/no-driver, with FD-KEYB you can switch it off/on with
Ctrl+Alt+F1.

BTW, this mail sounds to me a bit more of a freedos-user email rather than
a freedos-devel email, so I am adding the other list too :)

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> Trying FC4 in QEMU on Linux with:
> $ qemu-system-i386 -enable-kvm -m 64M -cdrom FD13LIVE.iso  -hda hd.img
> -soundhw sb16 -boot c
>
> I have install to hard disk.
> Tried to choose Alternate-French for keyboard layout... I was expecting to
> choose Québec from a menu, but it continued to install.
>
> After installation it was in french. (AZERTY) which is painfull when used
> to QWERTY.
>
> I have tried, "mkeyb us" but it replied that I don't need a driver for US
> keyboard.
> BUT I AM NOT IN US, AND I WANT TO CHANGE BACK TO US!
> IT DID NOT LET ME DO IT.
>
> I had to edit FDAUTO.BAT, change mkeyb FR to mkeyb US (could have put it
> in REM)... then reboot to fix the problem.
>
> MKEYB US should change to US when you are not in US!
>
> I am not reallly angry... anymore. ;-)
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2243, Issue 2

[Daniel]

Well, I have been foolin around with the files.  Here is what I have done
so far and what I haven’t done, but would like to:

I copied FDAUTO.BAT and FDCONFIG.SYS to NDAUTO.BAT and NDCONFIG.SYS

Done:
I edited ndauto.bat how I liked it leavin fdauto.bat alone in case of a
problem.  As mentioned I edited the link for fdauto.bat to the new filename
in both the new ndauto.bat and fdconfig.sys files at the bottom.

Sillyness:
I was wonderin bout renamin FDCONFIG.SYS to NDCONFIG.SYS.

Just cause I like to fiddle around I have it startin up sayin (in the
Welcome.bat under fdos\bin) welcome to NorbyDOS then later Based on *:
(Website link).*

*I know this is all just silly and unecessary, but I like to do stuff like
that bein unique.*

*Thanks.*

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> This may be a crazy or even insane thing to ask, nevermind do, but is it
> possible to create a new config file and use that.  For instance rename
> fdconfig.sys to the MSDOS config.sys?
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> > > I thought that this blog post might interest folks here.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://blog.tmm.cx/2022/05/15/the-very-weird-hewlett-packard-freedos-option/
> > >
> > > Various models of HP computer can be bought with FreeDOS as their
> > > operating system, and it is the cheapest option -- or Ubuntu Linux for
> > > some models.
> > >
> > > But it's not just a computer with a formatted hard disk and FreeDOS on
> > > it. It's considerably more complicated than that...
> > >
> >
> >
> > Summary for those who don't want to click on the article:
> >
> > HP is selling new laptops, like the HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8, with
> > FreeDOS pre-installed. But it's UEFI only (no BIOS) and any DOS
> > requires a BIOS. Here's how HP pre-installed FreeDOS on this system:
> > (quoted from article)
> >
> > >  1 The laptops is set to UEFI boot, which boots a pretty standard GRUB
> > >  2 Debian gets booted with KMS disabled, as well as all DRM drivers.
> > >  3 Once the system is booted Gnome Display Manager starts
> > >  4 GDM will automatically login the root user and start the
> > /root/.xsession
> > >  5 The XSession will start an XFCE terminal and executes Qemu on an
> > image file in /home/aos/qemu
> >
> >
> > So basically, HP has installed Linux, which starts QEMU, and they boot
> > FreeDOS inside QEMU. When you shut down FreeDOS (exit QEMU) the system
> > shuts down too.
> >
> >
> > *I'll note that I don't see the same pre-installed OS options when I
> > click on the "HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8" in the article. I only see
> > "Windows 11 Pro," "Windows 10 Pro," "Windows 11 Home," and "Ubuntu
> > Linux 20.04." 

[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Partitioning reply

[Daniel]

Here is my exact steps:
Start fdisk and make sure to delete all partitions so I am starting fresh.

1) Create a Primarry partition of size 20480
2) Create an extended partition of max size
3) Fill up the rest of the drive with 20480, 20480, and the remaining space
left.

Once done I reboot the computer and restart freedos install.

Install seems to go properly, but once it reboots and starts to load I get
alot of size errors partition is this but should be that.  It then asks for
the date and time and puts ky at the command prompt.

I will be testing this in a vm with a large drive to see if I get the same
results so I can record it and have snapshots to show.

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> Hi Daniel!
>
> > I am tryin to install FD on a Dell PC with an 80 gb partition.  I tried
> as
> > I prefered it spliting into 4 partitions, and as one large partition.
> When
> > I boot into the live CD all seems fine, but after it does the formating
> and
> > installing, I get a bunch of errors about the partitins.  Looking at the
> > fdisk informations they seem to get changed from 20481 to 20489.  Not
> sure
> > why.  Can anyone check to see if this happens to them?  Is there a size
> > limit currently for partitions?
>
> Please share more details about the issue. If you want to have
> 4 partitions of 20 GB each, you will have to use FAT32, but it
> is possible to have much larger FAT32 partitions. The limit in
> your case will be the 2 TB limit for MBR partitioned disks and
> sometimes a limit of how large disks are supported by the BIOS,
> which could be 128 GB for old LBA BIOS versions. FAT32 itself
> is limited to 2^28 clusters, which means that even for common
> cluster size 4 kB you already reach 1 TB in a single partition.
> And clusters can be much larger than that, so your effective
> limit is the 2 TB disk size limit of 512 byte per sector MBR.
>
> That said, I recommend that you use LBA mode for partitioning,
> so the partition type should be 0c FAT32 LBA, not 0b FAT32 CHS.
>
> If you use extended partitions, you would use 0f with LBA instead
> of 05 with CHS, but as you mention that you planned to use exactly
> four partitions, you probably do not use extended partitions here.
> Likewise, if you would use FAT16, type 06 is CHS, type 0e is LBA,
> but FAT16 partitions can be at most 2 GB (in some cases 4 GB).
>
> If you are using an older version of FDISK, it may have some type
> of rounding error which could explain what you are seeing, but if
> it just rounds the size to the next whole cylinder in CHS mode,
> that would just be something common to do and not a real error.
>
> However, if you get inconsistencies and the partitions do not  boot
> or otherwise do not work properly, then that could be a real bug.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Partitioning

[Eric Auer]

Hi Daniel!


I am tryin to install FD on a Dell PC with an 80 gb partition.  I tried as
I prefered it spliting into 4 partitions, and as one large partition.  When
I boot into the live CD all seems fine, but after it does the formating and
installing, I get a bunch of errors about the partitins.  Looking at the
fdisk informations they seem to get changed from 20481 to 20489.  Not sure
why.  Can anyone check to see if this happens to them?  Is there a size
limit currently for partitions?


Please share more details about the issue. If you want to have
4 partitions of 20 GB each, you will have to use FAT32, but it
is possible to have much larger FAT32 partitions. The limit in
your case will be the 2 TB limit for MBR partitioned disks and
sometimes a limit of how large disks are supported by the BIOS,
which could be 128 GB for old LBA BIOS versions. FAT32 itself
is limited to 2^28 clusters, which means that even for common
cluster size 4 kB you already reach 1 TB in a single partition.
And clusters can be much larger than that, so your effective
limit is the 2 TB disk size limit of 512 byte per sector MBR.

That said, I recommend that you use LBA mode for partitioning,
so the partition type should be 0c FAT32 LBA, not 0b FAT32 CHS.

If you use extended partitions, you would use 0f with LBA instead
of 05 with CHS, but as you mention that you planned to use exactly
four partitions, you probably do not use extended partitions here.
Likewise, if you would use FAT16, type 06 is CHS, type 0e is LBA,
but FAT16 partitions can be at most 2 GB (in some cases 4 GB).

If you are using an older version of FDISK, it may have some type
of rounding error which could explain what you are seeing, but if
it just rounds the size to the next whole cylinder in CHS mode,
that would just be something common to do and not a real error.

However, if you get inconsistencies and the partitions do not  boot
or otherwise do not work properly, then that could be a real bug.

Regards, Eric



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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Partitioning

[Daniel]

I am having a problem with FreeDOS and partitions.

Here is the issue:
I am tryin to install FD on a Dell PC with an 80 gb partition.  I tried as
I prefered it spliting into 4 partitions, and as one large partition.  When
I boot into the live CD all seems fine, but after it does the formating and
installing, I get a bunch of errors about the partitins.  Looking at the
fdisk informations they seem to get changed from 20481 to 20489.  Not sure
why.  Can anyone check to see if this happens to them?  Is there a size
limit currently for partitions?

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> Some folks asked that I post regular updates about the videos on the
> FreeDOS YouTube channel, so they can follow them without subscribing
> to the channel. I don't want to "spam" the list every time a new video
> comes out, so I'm sharing these email updates with you about every
> month or so:
>
>
> * The FreeDOS YouTube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/freedosproject
>
>
> When we released FreeDOS 1.3, I posted a short video where I talked
> about FreeDOS while I installed FreeDOS in the background. It's not
> really a "how to install" video, but more of a "welcome to FreeDOS
> 1.3" video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dypXc4B4wI
>
> Also check out this video about the "thank you" Easter egg that Jerome
> included in the installer:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XBgdVs00tY
>
>
> I also have been showing off some DOS games running on FreeDOS. I
> recently covered these four games:
>
> "Tomb Raider" (DOS demo)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTKvYuaQOBs
>
> "Block Drop" (from FreeDOS 1.3)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gTgaFrDeM
>
> "RCross" (tiny RC car racing game)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZNvZgEnbk
>
> "Says Who" (from FreeDOS 1.3)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIbLFHQmv7g
>
>
> And by request, I've returned to programming videos. The programming
> videos were popular for a time, and some folks still ask for them,
> even though they don't get a ton of views. These are meant to be
> "introduction to programming" topics, and aren't very complex. (It's
> hard to write a very complicated program in under an hour, especially
> when you need to keep talking about what you're doing.)
>
> "Video end screens as a DOS program"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE3ctKLyiTg
>
> "Writing a Wordle game for DOS"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=719NGiNz3Is
>
>
> Jim
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 19:13:03 -0500
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> Hi everyone
>
> I sometimes write for Opensource.com, and some of my articles are
> about FreeDOS. It's great that the FreeDOS articles still get a ton of
> views, even in 2022. (Yes, really. FreeDOS articles regularly rank in
> the top 10 articles for each month.)
>
> If you're interested in writing about FreeDOS, you might like to know
> the editors at Opensource.com are collecting FreeDOS articles into an
> ebook, and plan to publish it on (or around) June 29. Our FreeDOS
> anniversary is June 29, 1994.
>
> I don't know when they plan to stop consi

[Freedos-user] FreeDOS videos on YouTube

[Jim Hall]

Some folks asked that I post regular updates about the videos on the
FreeDOS YouTube channel, so they can follow them without subscribing
to the channel. I don't want to "spam" the list every time a new video
comes out, so I'm sharing these email updates with you about every
month or so:


* The FreeDOS YouTube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/freedosproject


When we released FreeDOS 1.3, I posted a short video where I talked
about FreeDOS while I installed FreeDOS in the background. It's not
really a "how to install" video, but more of a "welcome to FreeDOS
1.3" video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dypXc4B4wI

Also check out this video about the "thank you" Easter egg that Jerome
included in the installer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XBgdVs00tY


I also have been showing off some DOS games running on FreeDOS. I
recently covered these four games:

"Tomb Raider" (DOS demo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTKvYuaQOBs

"Block Drop" (from FreeDOS 1.3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gTgaFrDeM

"RCross" (tiny RC car racing game)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZNvZgEnbk

"Says Who" (from FreeDOS 1.3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIbLFHQmv7g


And by request, I've returned to programming videos. The programming
videos were popular for a time, and some folks still ask for them,
even though they don't get a ton of views. These are meant to be
"introduction to programming" topics, and aren't very complex. (It's
hard to write a very complicated program in under an hour, especially
when you need to keep talking about what you're doing.)

"Video end screens as a DOS program"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE3ctKLyiTg

"Writing a Wordle game for DOS"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=719NGiNz3Is


Jim


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2235, Issue 2

[Daniel]

Has anyone looked into using x86Box as an alternative to vmware and
virtualbox to run FreeDOS and other old operating systems?


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> El lun, 25-04-2022 a las 17:32 -0700, jkendzi escribi?:
> > I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS
> > and my /home/documents folder.
> >
> > I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to
> > access a folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?
>
> Hello,
>
> I have recently been working on making a VirtualBox shared folders
> client/redirector. I tested it on FreeDOS 1.2 and it seems to work.
>
> See https://git.javispedro.com/cgit/vbados.git/about/
> Or https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4=105823
>
> It also includes a int33 mouse driver with VBox integration.
> (Note however that attempting to use it with FreeDOS' EDIT
> results in freezing the VirtualBox UI, since EDIT seems to be spamming
> the int33 hide/show cursor calls at very high frequency and the driver
> just forwards them directly to the VirtualBox UI. May need some rate
> limiting there. However it works with most other programs including
> MS's EDIT).
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Rufus

[richardkolacz...@hotmail.com]

My BOOT DOS USB stick was created using Rufus and the usb full image of RC5 and 
created on the Windows 10 platform. Initially I had problems trying to create 
the disk - but it turned out that because of me "folder protecting (windows)" 
all drives - windows would not let me Rufus the stick. Simply by (temporarily) 
" un folder protect the USB drive", I successfully created my USB BOOT via the 
USB full RC5 image from your site.

I do not know about the CD version.

So I am always booting off the USB stick and it is partitioned with C:\,  D:\ 
and E:\ drives. The C:\ drive is ~ 512 MB and with all the "full FreeDOS 
stuff", it left me with about 70 MB. Tons of free space on D:\ and E:\ with my 
16 GB USB stick. Note that I do not install FreeDOS on the hard drive (which 
has Windows 10).

Using only the USB stick (not an additional CD drive) works fine with me.


Just a side note,  I always ensure that if I want another USB stick at the same 
time (eg data files) - that the additional USB sticks are "plugged in" BEFORE 
freedos booting up. Also I had some issues in which of the 4 USB ports on my 
laptop the BOOT stick is plugged in (if I had two or more USB sticks plugged 
in). On my laptop, only two ports are USB 3, the other two are USB 2. Only one 
of the USB 2 ports can handle a USB 1 device. So watch out on the USB "speed" 
of the BOOT disk itself - may need to trial and error which stick goes where 
(if more than one used).

Note my laptop has a "Legacy mode" and if I wanted to, could also have the CSM 
(?) mode for DOS boot up.


Hope this helps.


Richard

From: Jerome Shidel 
Sent: Sunday, 17 April 2022 7:34 PM
To: FreeDOS Users 
Subject: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Rufus

Hi All,

A first time user reported having issues booting the 1.3 LiveCD after creating 
a USB stick with Rufus. Other than a few minor things, I don’t use windows. So 
if one of you are familiar with the tools they are using, they could probably 
use some help or at least some pointers on getting a bootable USB stick.

https://gitlab.com/FreeDOS/issue-reporting/-/issues/27

Thanks,

Jerome
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Rufus

[Jerome Shidel]

Hi All,

A first time user reported having issues booting the 1.3 LiveCD after creating 
a USB stick with Rufus. Other than a few minor things, I don’t use windows. So 
if one of you are familiar with the tools they are using, they could probably 
use some help or at least some pointers on getting a bootable USB stick. 

https://gitlab.com/FreeDOS/issue-reporting/-/issues/27 


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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos 1.3 on vm or real machine

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello,

in PO.KEY what I see is
26 + * !C5
in the common section (for every codepage). The second plane appears to be
AltGr | Shift

And 26 is in hex 1A.

File:Ps2 de keyboard scancode set 1.svg - Wikimedia Commons
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ps2_de_keyboard_scancode_set_1.svg>

In short: it should be AltGr  or Shift plus the key that seems to be on the
right of letter P.

Did it ever work on previous versions of KEYB or the layouts?

Thanks,
Aitor




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> Hello
>
> I have a question: on freedos 1.3 or 1.2 i can't write the * without going
> to the numeric keypad.
>
> KEYB PO,858
> available: 858, 850, 860
>
> also can't write: ã ä â á à
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together coming up on March 20

[Jim Hall]

I wanted to share the URL with you in advance:

https://bluejeans.com/306646580/0343


See you in 30 minutes!


Jim

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 10:59 PM Jim Hall  wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> Don't forget- our next FreeDOS virtual get-together is in 12 hours, at 11am 
> US/Central on Sunday, March 20.
>
> I'll share the link to the virtual meeting before the meeting starts. We'll 
> use BlueJeans. You can join from your browser, but I found better performance 
> using the desktop meeting client.
>
> See you then!
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 4:58 PM Jim Hall  wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> Every month (on the third Sunday), we have a virtual get-together so
>> we can meet online, and get to know each other as more than just an
>> email address. We alternate topics every month, between "social time"
>> and "technical," so people know what we'll focus on for that meeting.
>> (Some folks just want to be there for tech topics, others just want to
>> meet people.) For the March get-together, it's social time.
>>
>> We'll meet online at 11am US/Central on Sunday, March 20. Use your
>> favorite timezone converter to find your local time.
>>
>> I use BlueJeans for my consulting business, and BlueJeans worked well
>> last month. So we'll use BlueJeans again this month. You can join from
>> your browser or using the desktop meeting client from bluejeans.com -
>> I recommend the desktop client for best performance.
>>
>> I'll share the meeting URL here (and on the website, and on Twitter,
>> and on Facebook, etc) shortly before the meeting starts. If I share
>> the meeting URL too far in advance, spammers try to hit it and
>> BlueJeans shuts down the meeting link.
>>
>> See you on Sunday!
>>
>>
>> Jim


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together coming up on March 20

[Bryan Kilgallin]

Thanks, Jim:

Don't forget- our next FreeDOS virtual get-together is in 12 hours, at 
*11am US/Central on Sunday, March 20.*
That's 3 AM Monday, Australian Eastern Daylight Time! Unfortunately that 
day, I have an appointment. To prevent being shattered for that, I 
apologise for absence.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together coming up on March 20

[John Vella]

4pm local time for those in the UK. I look forward to seeing you all then.


On Sun, 20 Mar 2022, 04:02 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> Don't forget- our next FreeDOS virtual get-together is in 12 hours, at *11am
> US/Central on Sunday, March 20.*
>
> I'll share the link to the virtual meeting before the meeting starts.
> We'll use BlueJeans. You can join from your browser, but I found better
> performance using the desktop meeting client.
>
> See you then!
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 4:58 PM Jim Hall  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> Every month (on the third Sunday), we have a virtual get-together so
>> we can meet online, and get to know each other as more than just an
>> email address. We alternate topics every month, between "social time"
>> and "technical," so people know what we'll focus on for that meeting.
>> (Some folks just want to be there for tech topics, others just want to
>> meet people.) For the March get-together, it's social time.
>>
>> We'll meet online at 11am US/Central on Sunday, March 20. Use your
>> favorite timezone converter to find your local time.
>>
>> I use BlueJeans for my consulting business, and BlueJeans worked well
>> last month. So we'll use BlueJeans again this month. You can join from
>> your browser or using the desktop meeting client from bluejeans.com -
>> I recommend the desktop client for best performance.
>>
>> I'll share the meeting URL here (and on the website, and on Twitter,
>> and on Facebook, etc) shortly before the meeting starts. If I share
>> the meeting URL too far in advance, spammers try to hit it and
>> BlueJeans shuts down the meeting link.
>>
>> See you on Sunday!
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together coming up on March 20

[Jim Hall]

Hi everyone!

Don't forget- our next FreeDOS virtual get-together is in 12 hours, at *11am
US/Central on Sunday, March 20.*

I'll share the link to the virtual meeting before the meeting starts. We'll
use BlueJeans. You can join from your browser, but I found better
performance using the desktop meeting client.

See you then!

Jim

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 4:58 PM Jim Hall  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> Every month (on the third Sunday), we have a virtual get-together so
> we can meet online, and get to know each other as more than just an
> email address. We alternate topics every month, between "social time"
> and "technical," so people know what we'll focus on for that meeting.
> (Some folks just want to be there for tech topics, others just want to
> meet people.) For the March get-together, it's social time.
>
> We'll meet online at 11am US/Central on Sunday, March 20. Use your
> favorite timezone converter to find your local time.
>
> I use BlueJeans for my consulting business, and BlueJeans worked well
> last month. So we'll use BlueJeans again this month. You can join from
> your browser or using the desktop meeting client from bluejeans.com -
> I recommend the desktop client for best performance.
>
> I'll share the meeting URL here (and on the website, and on Twitter,
> and on Facebook, etc) shortly before the meeting starts. If I share
> the meeting URL too far in advance, spammers try to hit it and
> BlueJeans shuts down the meeting link.
>
> See you on Sunday!
>
>
> Jim
>
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together coming up on March 20

[Jim Hall]

Hi everyone!

Every month (on the third Sunday), we have a virtual get-together so
we can meet online, and get to know each other as more than just an
email address. We alternate topics every month, between "social time"
and "technical," so people know what we'll focus on for that meeting.
(Some folks just want to be there for tech topics, others just want to
meet people.) For the March get-together, it's social time.

We'll meet online at 11am US/Central on Sunday, March 20. Use your
favorite timezone converter to find your local time.

I use BlueJeans for my consulting business, and BlueJeans worked well
last month. So we'll use BlueJeans again this month. You can join from
your browser or using the desktop meeting client from bluejeans.com -
I recommend the desktop client for best performance.

I'll share the meeting URL here (and on the website, and on Twitter,
and on Facebook, etc) shortly before the meeting starts. If I share
the meeting URL too far in advance, spammers try to hit it and
BlueJeans shuts down the meeting link.

See you on Sunday!


Jim


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[Freedos-user] freedos 1.3 on vm or real machine

[Joao Silva]

Hello

I have a question: on freedos 1.3 or 1.2 i can't write the * without going
to the numeric keypad.

KEYB PO,858
available: 858, 850, 860

also can't write: ã ä â á à
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos & Arachne

[andrea936]

  

Thanks, to you and Louis, 

 but also I have been using Links -g
for a long time and am quite satisfied. However, as freedos still has
Arachne in its package -in fdimples- and there is also a new release of
Arachne 1.99, I thought it was still usable in freedos ( I still
remember the polemic ten years ago on freedos -user -mailing about the
request to abandon Arachne from freedos.) 

regards 

andrea 

Il
08.03.2022 09:56 Björn Morell ha scritto: 

> I second that, Links 2.25
is nice especially on slower machines ( i run real ones , one 100 mhz
and one 1000 mhz). 
> Den 2022-03-08 kl. 07:05, skrev Louis Santillan:

> 
>> You might try Links2 Browser in graphics mode. 2.25 is the latest
version. 
>>
http://links.twibright.com/download/binaries/dos/links-2.25.exe [4] 
>>

>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:02 AM wrote: 
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I have used
Archne for a long time many years ago.
>>> Currently, both in freedos
1.2 and 1.3, ( no dosbox ) even with the latest release of Arachne it is
in fact impossible for me to use it.
>>> I know of arachne's well known
issues with https and jv, but it also seems to not recognize the normal
wattcp.cfg I use with links, lynx or gopherus. In fact I have to
manually set my ip address, nameserver, gateway and even then it is very
slow and often crashes. Even in off-line mode, for example as a .jpg
viewer, it is very slow and tends to freeze.
>>> Are there any
underlying incompatibilities with freedos? is the 16 bit problem? a
recognition problem from my ADSL fast fiber line?
>>> Yet, I repeat,
with my ethernet drivers both links and gopherus are fine and fast.
>>>
thanks Andrea 
>>> 
>>> Voucher MISE per P.IVA e PMI: fino a 2500EUR per
la Banda Ultralarga. https://www.tiscali.it/business/prodotti/voucher/
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos & Arachne

[Björn Morell]

I second that, Links 2.25 is nice especially on slower machines ( i run 
real ones , one 100 mhz and one 1000 mhz).


Den 2022-03-08 kl. 07:05, skrev Louis Santillan:
You might try Links2 Browser in graphics mode. 2.25 is the latest 
version.


http://links.twibright.com/download/binaries/dos/links-2.25.exe

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:02 AM  wrote:



Hi!
I have used Archne for a long time many years ago.
Currently, both in freedos 1.2 and 1.3, ( no dosbox ) even with
the latest release of Arachne it is in fact impossible for me to
use it.
 I know of arachne's well known issues with https and jv, but it
also seems to not recognize the normal wattcp.cfg I use with
links, lynx or gopherus. In fact I have to manually set my ip
address, nameserver, gateway and even then it is very slow and
often crashes. Even in off-line mode, for example as a .jpg
viewer, it is very slow and tends to freeze.
 Are there any underlying incompatibilities with freedos? is the
16 bit problem? a recognition problem from my ADSL fast fiber line?
Yet, I repeat, with my ethernet drivers both links and gopherus
are fine and fast.
thanks Andrea



Voucher MISE per P.IVA e PMI: fino a 2500€ per la Banda
Ultralarga. https://www.tiscali.it/business/prodotti/voucher/

<https://www.tiscali.it/business/prodotti/voucher/?r=TS0A00025=link=tiscali_source=tiscali_medium=link_campaign=voucherbusiness_content=voucherbusiness_np=tiscali.link.footermail.voucher.business.btb.>

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos & Arachne

[Louis Santillan]

You might try Links2 Browser in graphics mode. 2.25 is the latest version.

http://links.twibright.com/download/binaries/dos/links-2.25.exe

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:02 AM  wrote:

>
>
> Hi!
> I have used Archne for a long time many years ago.
> Currently, both in freedos 1.2 and 1.3, ( no dosbox ) even with the latest
> release of Arachne it is in fact impossible for me to use it.
>  I know of arachne's well known issues with https and jv, but it also
> seems to not recognize the normal wattcp.cfg I use with links, lynx or
> gopherus. In fact I have to manually set my ip address, nameserver, gateway
> and even then it is very slow and often crashes. Even in off-line mode, for
> example as a .jpg viewer, it is very slow and tends to freeze.
>  Are there any underlying incompatibilities with freedos? is the 16 bit
> problem? a recognition problem from my ADSL fast fiber line?
> Yet, I repeat, with my ethernet drivers both links and gopherus are fine
> and fast.
> thanks Andrea
>
>
>
> Voucher MISE per P.IVA e PMI: fino a 2500€ per la Banda Ultralarga.
> https://www.tiscali.it/business/prodotti/voucher/
> <https://www.tiscali.it/business/prodotti/voucher/?r=TS0A00025=link=tiscali_source=tiscali_medium=link_campaign=voucherbusiness_content=voucherbusiness_np=tiscali.link.footermail.voucher.business.btb.>
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[Freedos-user] Freedos & Arachne

[andrea936]

  

Hi!
I have used Archne for a long time many years ago.
Currently,
both in freedos 1.2 and 1.3, ( no dosbox ) even with the latest release
of Arachne it is in fact impossible for me to use it.
 I know of
arachne's well known issues with https and jv, but it also seems to not
recognize the normal wattcp.cfg I use with links, lynx or gopherus. In
fact I have to manually set my ip address, nameserver, gateway and even
then it is very slow and often crashes. Even in off-line mode, for
example as a .jpg viewer, it is very slow and tends to freeze.
 Are
there any underlying incompatibilities with freedos? is the 16 bit
problem? a recognition problem from my ADSL fast fiber line?
Yet, I
repeat, with my ethernet drivers both links and gopherus are fine and
fast.
thanks Andrea  


Voucher MISE per P.IVA e PMI: fino a 2500€ per la Banda Ultralarga. 
https://www.tiscali.it/business/prodotti/voucher/?r=TS0A00025=link=tiscali_source=tiscali_medium=link_campaign=voucherbusiness_content=voucherbusiness_np=tiscali.link.footermail.voucher.business.btb.

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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS in qemu: no internet-connection

[Christian]

Hi altogether,

I want to get *FreeDOS* going within *qemu*.

Quite a long time ago I downloaded the respective iso-file and the 
installation went well.
In principle *FreeDOS* works fine with the exception of networking. I 
simply can´t get qemu to let *FreeDOS* connect to the internet.

(Formerly I could; see below).

My command-line is:

qemu-system-i386 -m 32M -drive file=drivec.img,media=disk,format=raw 
-net nic,model=ne2k_pci -drive file=FD12CD.iso,media=cdrom -boot order=d


According to the instructions on 
http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS_-_Quick_Networking_HowTo 

I installed FDNET, mTCP and wget in FreeDOS. So things should work. Yet 
they don´t (any more).


When starting FreeDOS everything looks right at first:

QEMU network detected

DHCP request sent, attempt 1: Offer received, Acknowledged
Good news everyone!

IPADDR = 10.0.2.15
NETMASK = 255.255.255.0
GATEWAY = 10.0.2.2
NAMESERVER = 10.0.2.3
LEASE_TIME = 86400 seconds

That used to work in the past. But things seem to have changed as of late:

When trying to use ping or the links browser internet connection doesn´t 
seem to be established:


configuring through DHCP...failed
configuring through RARP...failed
error loading ... URL
Host not found

I dont know whether it has something to do with the fact that my means 
of connecting to the internet has changed in the meantime.


I used to use a 3G-umts-stick (Huawei E 1550) , which was recognized as 
a modem and used "*ppp0*".
My new 4G-stick is Huawei E 3372 and this one seems to work as a 
*router*; so my internet connection is recognized as *LAN* (wired) 
connection.


I´m guessing I have to change some settings in  C:\FDOS\WATTCP.CFG, but 
I´m not quite sure.


Can anybody help me , please?

Many thanks in advance.
Many greetings.

Rosika

P.S.:

my system (host): Linux/Lubuntu 20.04.4 LTS, 64bit
  FreeDOS 1.2
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Vinyl

[Eduardo Casino]

It seems that vinyl booted FreeDOS feels richer, warmer, more open, because
of the grooves on the record allow for a more resonant quality.

El mié, 2 mar 2022 a las 22:11, Jerome Shidel ()
escribió:

> Hi all,
>
> I don’t know if you’ve seen this or not.
>
> Booting FreeDOS from a vinyl record. It was mentioned on Hack a Day
> episode 95, starting just before the 13 minute mark
> https://hackaday.com/2020/11/27/hackaday-podcast-095-booting-freedos-from-a-vinyl-record-floating-on-mushrooms-and-tunneling-through-a-living-room/
>
>
> There is also a quick article and video of the boot at
> https://hackaday.com/2020/11/23/booting-a-pc-from-vinyl-for-a-warmer-richer-os/
>
>
> This reminds me so much of the days I used to load programs from cassette
> tape.
>
> :-)
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Vinyl

[Jerome Shidel]

Hi all, 

I don’t know if you’ve seen this or not.

Booting FreeDOS from a vinyl record. It was mentioned on Hack a Day episode 95, 
starting just before the 13 minute mark 
https://hackaday.com/2020/11/27/hackaday-podcast-095-booting-freedos-from-a-vinyl-record-floating-on-mushrooms-and-tunneling-through-a-living-room/
 

 

There is also a quick article and video of the boot at 
https://hackaday.com/2020/11/23/booting-a-pc-from-vinyl-for-a-warmer-richer-os/ 

 

This reminds me so much of the days I used to load programs from cassette tape. 

:-)


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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3 qemu boot from USB

[Bob Pryor]

Hi All

A few weeks ago I used qemu and FreeDOS 1.3rc5 to fdisk and format 2
partitions on a USB3 mounted 128GB ssd.

sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc
Disk /dev/sdc: 111.79 GiB, 120034121728 bytes, 234441644 sectors
Disk model:  SV300S37A12
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 33553920 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0xa641679a

Device Boot   Start   End   Sectors   Size Id Type
/dev/sdc1  * 63   2104514   2104452 1G  6 FAT16
/dev/sdc2   2120580 234436544 232315965 110.8G  c W95 FAT32 (LBA)

blkid
/dev/sdc1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL_FATBOOT="FREEDOS" LABEL="FREEDOS"
UUID="2F1C-12E7" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="a641679a-01"
/dev/sdc2: LABEL_FATBOOT="FREEDOSDATA" LABEL="FREEDOSDATA" UUID="3764-12E8"
BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="a641679a-02"

It booted fine after installing rc5.

I didn't really test anything other than confirming rw access to C: and D:
and ro the cdrom after booting.

My concerns then were mounting both partitions rw in linux and booting
FreeDOS 1.3rc5 in qemu with a graphics screen.

When I saw that FreeDOS 1.3 final was available I immediately installed it
from the live cd.

First install completed but was unusable, second install was fine.

Before each install, format C: /U /Q /S from FD13LIVE.iso

FDinstall.sh
#cd /home/bob/FreeDOS/QEMU_FreeDOS
sudo qemu-system-i386 -name FreeDOS -boot d -drive
file=/dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x504b454e574f4f44,format=raw,index=0,media=disk
-cdrom FD13LIVE.iso -display curses

FD.sh
#cd /home/bob/FreeDOS/QEMU_FreeDOS
sudo qemu-system-x86_64 -name FreeDOS -boot c \
-drive
file=/dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x504b454e574f4f44,format=raw,index=0,media=disk \
-drive
file=/dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x504b454e574f4f44-part2,format=raw,index=1,media=disk
\
-usb -device usb-tablet \
-display curses
#SUCCESS all 5 modes boot FreeDOS 1.3 final

So far, I have succeeded with graphics, but not with mounting C: rw in
linux.

FDSU.sh
#su -
#cd /home/bob/FreeDOS/QEMU_FreeDOS
qemu-system-x86_64 -name FreeDOS -boot c \
-drive
file=/dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x504b454e574f4f44,format=raw,index=0,media=disk \
-drive
file=/dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x504b454e574f4f44-part2,format=raw,index=1,media=disk
\
-usb -device usb-tablet \
-device VGA,edid=on,xres=1280,yres=1024
#SUCCESS all 5 modes boot FreeDOS 1.3 final

Note: /dev/disk/by-id/wwn* is the same, regardless of bus or port.

I'm on a 4K tv, so I have to stretch the qemu window and View|Fit to use it.

I realise it is not recommended to run qemu as root, but it was necessary
in order to use physical partitions.

The nice thing is that I can move the USB3 ssd to other computers.

One more thing, openSUSE requires the drive to be hotplugged for qemu to
find it.
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3 in the news

[Jim Hall]

Hi everyone

A lot of news websites have picked up the FreeDOS 1.3 distribution. I've
tried to collect all the articles on the FreeDOS website. If I've missed
any, let me know and I'll add them.

On the "news archive" page , I also tried to
gather together any articles that seemed to be copies of each other. Some
are just links to each other, or reporting what another site already said
(rather than writing something new) and I put those as "hierarchical" items
in the list so you can see what goes with what. But for other articles that
have the same title, I just grouped them.

Here's the list. I count 61 articles so far, not counting our announcement
(the first item):


February

   - *FreeDOS officially releases the FreeDOS 1.3 distribution (20 February
   2022) *
   - FreeDOS 1.3 Released To Advance This Open-Source MS-DOS Replacement
    ~
   Phoronix
  - FreeDOS 1.3 Released To Advance This Open-Source MS-DOS Replacement
  

~
  Reddit
   - FreeDOS 1.3 Arrives, First Major Update Since 2016
    ~ Tom's
   Hardware
   - FreeDOS 1.3 released
    ~ OS News
   - Betriebssystem-Oldtimer: FreeDOS 1.3 mit neuen Programmen und Features
   

("Old-timer
   operating system: FreeDOS 1.3 with new programs and features") ~ Heise
   Online
  - Betriebssystem-Oldtimer: FreeDOS 1.3 Mit Neuen Programmen Und
  Features
  

("Old-Timer
  Operating System: FreeDOS 1.3 With New Programs And Features") ~ HAT-INC
   - 「FreeDOS 1.3」がリリース ～オープンソースの「MS-DOS」互換OS
    ("FreeDOS
   1.3" released-Open source "MS-DOS" compatible OS) ~ Impress JP
   - O FreeDOS 1.3 foi lançado para avançar nesta substituição de código
   aberto do MS-DOS
   

("FreeDOS
   1.3 has been released to advance this open source replacement of MS-DOS") ~
   Ferramentas Linux
   - Party like it’s 1994 with FreeDOS 1.3, open-source MS-DOS compatible
   operating system
   

~
   Liliputing
   - FreeDOS 1.3ローンチ！エミュレータではなく16ビットOS
    ("FreeDOS 1.3 launch!
   16-bit OS instead of emulator") ~ Daily Gadget
   - 2022年2月22日 「FreeDOS 1.3」がリリース，オープンソースのMS-DOS互換OSが5年ぶりにアップデート
    ("February 22,
   2022 "FreeDOS 1.3" released, open source MS-DOS compatible OS updated for
   the first time in 5 years") ~ Gihyo JP
  - 2022年2月22日 「FreeDOS 1.3」がリリース，オープンソースのMS-DOS互換OSが5年ぶりにアップデート
   ("February 22, 2022
  "FreeDOS 1.3" released, open source MS-DOS compatible OS updated for the
  first time in 5 years") ~ Web News
   - ¿Tienes nostalgia del viejo MS-DOS? Alégrate, acaba de salir el último
   FreeDOS  ("Nostalgic for old MS-DOS?
   Cheer up, the latest FreeDOS just came out") ~ PCdemano
   - Вышла FreeDOS 1.3 — это первое крупное обновление ОС с 2016 года:
   новое ядро, поддержка FAT32 и сетевого стека (+ бонус в виде Wolfenstein 3D
   и других игр)
   

("FreeDOS
   1.3 released - this is the first major OS update since 2016: new kernel,
   support for FAT32 and network stack") ~ ITC UA
   - FreeDOS-besturingssysteem krijgt eerste grote update sinds 2016
   

("FreeDOS
   operating system gets first major update since 2016") ~ NL Hardware Info
   - FreeDOS 1.3 Arrives, First Major Update Since 2016
   

~
   Swave Digest
   - FreeDOS 1.3 Major Update Since 2016
   
~
   SundyLinks Media
   - FreeDOS 1.3 lançado como uma importante opção de código aberto do
   MS-DOS
   

("FreeDOS
   1.3 Released as a Major MS-DOS Open Source Option") ~ SempreUpdate
   - Šest 

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2173, Issue 1

[Björn Morell]

Looks right to me and yes GRUB is not that easy, I have a similar 
machine an IBM 4DX 100 MHz with


3 Compact flash drives (CF to IDE) and one CDRW via a soudblaster IDE 
interface, works really well


with UDVD2 even burning CDs from DOS.

DSL on hda1  Freedos on hdb1 , Dr-Dos on hdb2  and windows 95 (with lite 
step


shell ) on hdc1 -

Never managed to boot Dr-Dos from GRUB so I installed Damn Small 
Linux4.11 RC2 and picked Lilo as


bootloader, It allmoust worked out of the box everything booted except 
Dr-Dos but LILO has some good


switches:

other=/dev/hdb1

  label="FreeDos(hdb1)"

  change automatic partition=/dev/hdb2 deactivate partition=/dev/hdb1 
activate


  boot-as=0x80


other=/dev/hdb1

  label="DrDos(hdb1)"

  change automatic partition=/dev/hdb1 deactivate partition=/dev/hdb2 
activate


  boot-as=0x80


other=/dev/hdc1

 label="Win95(hdc1)

 boot-as=0x80

Works fine I can boot all 4 without a problem.




Den 2022-01-27 kl. 13:42, skrev Daniel:
I have a old Dell laptop that was originally XP that now is tri-boot.  
I have FreeDos 1.3 RC5, XP, and even Linux.


In order to do this you cannot simply install everything normally, at 
least as far as I know.  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.


Here is the steps that I found that works:
First wipe the drive that you want to use, then using fdisk setup a 
partition for FreeDOS and another for the other operating system as an 
extended partition.  Format and install FreeDOS on the first 
partition.  Do nothing for the second partition.  Leave it alone until 
you have installed FreeDOS installed andworking.


Once it is installed and working, install the Linux distro you want 
and tell it to setup and use the second partition you had set up in fdisk.


This should allow you to use both Linux and FreeDOS together.

Notice: Order of install matters!  If you installed Linux, then 
installed freeDOS you will need to update your grub to see and use the 
new FreeDOS system which can be a pest.


I hope this was helpful.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 07:29 
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   1. Re: Linux-freedos boot (andrea...@tiscali.it)
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 15:33:22 +0100
From: andrea...@tiscali.it
To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS."
        
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Linux-freedos boot
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Il 26.01.2022 00:39 Jerome Shidel ha scritto:

>> On Jan 25, 2022,
at 4:16 PM, andrea...@tiscali.it [1] wrote:
>>
>> OK, it's an old
annoing question:I have a laptop with linux installed and I created
another dos / fat 32 partition where I installed freedos 1.3. (before
installing freedos I activated C:ms-dos with part.exe).
>> OK Freedos,
but disappears Linux MBR, and I can't anymore access linux although I
have grub installed.
>> With GAG cd live you see linux but it is not
loaded due to problems in the MBR.
>> The only way to repair the MBR and
log in again in linux was to use the BOOT REPAIR live cd.
>> Or another
way to solve the problem?
>> Thanks,
>> andrea
> During installation,
the installer creates two backups and stores them in C:FreeDOS as
BOOT.MBR and BOOT.BSS. The MBR is created by FDISK when it is told to
update the boot code. The second is created by the SYS command. You
should be able to use FDISK to restore the MBR.
> There is an excellent
free DOS utility called MBRTOOL. It is not open source and has some
other distribution restrictions. But, it is free and can be legally
distributed as-is. Do to those restrictions it cannot be included with
the FreeDOS release. But, you can grab a mirrored copy from my website
at https://fd.lod.bz/redist/disk/MBRtool/ [4] v1.x is much smaller
than
v2.x. But, both work really well. It is a great tool to have laying
around for emergencies.
> :-)
> Jerome
> Thank you for your interest,
I will try to be more careful when I install freedos next time
>
>>
andrea
>>
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