Re: OT iMac advice needed

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


the iMac list isn't responding so I am asking for help offlist here.

I put a DVD into my new-used Blueberry. ( I know, I know it is a CD  
drive I just wanted to make sure)

all the usual tricks wont eject it. I cannot find the usual pinhole.


If your keyboard doesn't have a dedicated eject key, the F12 key  
normally functions as eject if you hold it. There is also an eject  
menu bar item that adds an eject button to the upper right of your OS  
X menu bar. To add this menu bar eject button navigate to  
SystemLibraryCoreServicesMenu Extras folder and double-click the  
eject.menu file. This should add an eject button to your menu bar,  
which should eject the drive.
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Multiple Users

[BLKBOX STUDIOZ]

Awhile back my keyboard spacebar stopped working on my main user so I just
started using
user 2 well I run alot of app as FCP and CS3 and I am back to using user one
is there a way
to delete user 2 seems like my system is slower now. What I am scared of is
software I installed as
user 2 will i loose it. Any help works thanks G4 dual 500 1.4 gig ram
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Re: Multiple Users

[Richard Gerome]

 If you have an iPod with a firewire try downloading it to the iPod and if it works you can delete it and boot it back up from the iPod if you every need it again!!! I do this with Micro Office, Appleworks and Photoshop just in case if I ever have to do a clean and reinstall!!!-Original Message-
From: BLKBOX STUDIOZ 
Sent: Jan 21, 2010 2:26 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Multiple Users

Awhile back my keyboard spacebar stopped working on my main user so I just started usinguser 2 well I run alot of app as FCP and CS3 and I am back to using user one is there a wayto delete user 2 seems like my system is slower now. What I am scared of is software I installed as 
user 2 will i loose it. Any help works thanks G4 dual 500 1.4 gig ram 

Re: Multiple Users

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:26 AM, BLKBOX STUDIOZ wrote:

Awhile back my keyboard spacebar stopped working on my main user so  
I just started using
user 2 well I run alot of app as FCP and CS3 and I am back to using  
user one is there a way
to delete user 2 seems like my system is slower now. What I am  
scared of is software I installed as

user 2 will i loose it. Any help works thanks G4 dual 500 1.4 gig ram


Go into System PreferencesAccountsclick on the account that you  
want to deleteclick the - button
You will have to click the lock and enter your password if the  
buttons are greyed out.


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Re: OT iMac advice needed

[Eric Volker]

In Leopard at least, you can use Disk Utility to eject a disc that isn't
mounted on the desktop. Just start Disk Utility from
/Applications/Utilities, click on the CD/DVD and then click Eject at the
top.

Eric

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

 the iMac list isn't responding so I am asking for help offlist here.


 I put a DVD into my new-used Blueberry. ( I know, I know it is a CD drive
 I just wanted to make sure)
 all the usual tricks wont eject it. I cannot find the usual pinhole.


 If your keyboard doesn't have a dedicated eject key, the F12 key normally
 functions as eject if you hold it. There is also an eject menu bar item that
 adds an eject button to the upper right of your OS X menu bar. To add this
 menu bar eject button navigate to SystemLibraryCoreServicesMenu Extras
 folder and double-click the eject.menu file. This should add an eject
 button to your menu bar, which should eject the drive.

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Re: Multiple Users

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:26 AM, BLKBOX STUDIOZ wrote:

Awhile back my keyboard spacebar stopped working on my main user so  
I just

started using
user 2 well I run alot of app as FCP and CS3 and I am back to using  
user one


At this point you should have stopped and figured out why your  
spacebar wasn't working.



is there a way
to delete user 2 seems like my system is slower now.


The speed of the system has nothing whatsoever to do with multiple  
users unless both users are logged on and running processes.



What I am scared of is
software I installed as
user 2 will i loose it. Any help works thanks G4 dual 500 1.4 gig ram


If the software was installed to the main Applications folder, then it  
will not go away. If the software was installed in user 2's user  
directory, then it will; however one of the steps in deleting a user  
is an offer to make their user directory available as a disk image any  
user can use, so you can retrieve it from there.


My main concern is that you are approaching problems with the systems  
in wildly inappropriate fashions.


If something does not work for one user but does for another the  
problem HAS to reside in the problem users preference or application  
support files in the the Library folder in that user's Home folder;  
and it'll almost certainly be associated with the programs that are  
having problems.



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Re: Thinking about a quicksilver...

[PM7500]

I'd suggest skipping the G4's and go for an early G5 model. Pretty
much everything from a single 1.6 up to a dual processor 2.0 can be
had for reasonable prices now. I'd avoid any G5 that has liquid
cooling. It probably won't be very much longer before even the dual
core PCIe models become available for pocket change.

On Jan 19, 8:18 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote:
 After adding up the dollars to put this MDD together, I'm wondering  
 what the best quicksilver would be? I'm looking at 800mhz systems on  
 ebay for around  100 dollars? sure they're only 800mhz single  
 processor systems, but I can upgrade it later can't I? I just need a  
 really good tiger/os9 machine for odds and ends what's the best q-
 silver to get? Jeff
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Re: Thinking about a quicksilver...

[John Niven]

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, PM7500 jburke...@comcast.net wrote:
 I'd suggest skipping the G4's and go
 for an early G5 model. 

My experience is different. Maybe worsened by the fact that my G5 is an Xserve 
so does not excel in the video department. My Dual G4 1.33GHz Xserve seems to 
be much more compatible with s/w and h/w. The G5 seems a bit of a bastard-son 
never reaching it's promise and rapidly abandoned by Apple. No true support for 
X64bit and now no chance of getting it (expect maybe by Linux).

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Re: shut down pop-up

[John Musbach]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, User roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:
 Hi group,
 How do I get rid of the do you really want to shut down? pop-up?

Why do you want to do that?


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Re: shut down pop-up

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, User roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

 Hi group,
 How do I get rid of the do you really want to shut down? pop-up?
 Thanks, Roman

_


Simple if you know how to hack the shutdown routine.

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Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

Hello fellows of the G-Group!

I was just thinking about the future. I've just made an old G3 BW working 
again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years or more) 
and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working 
with it, in other words: it is slow.

Where was I? Ah, thinking about the future...
Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. That was 
forseeable, it doesn't come as a surprise.

I am wondering: I read so many postings here about people buying or working 
with Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. As operating system you're all running Mac 
OS X, some are still on Mac OS (which I call Classic, because I've joined 
the Mac world two years ago so the term seems fit to me).

But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?)

All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon. Some of you may be 
using Leopard already, but it is now also just a question of time when it will 
be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether.

If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped with the 
release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is already 6 
months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But that will 
be it. Dead for good. No more. The end.

So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?


On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will be running 
on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion). So if Mac OS 
X is now longer an option, you can always go the Linux way. But as I think of 
it, you will all be very unhappy with Linux. Mac OS X is really the best when 
it comes to being user friendly and easy to use for everyone (beginners but 
also experts; and geeks off course).


I'm now in this situation. My G3 BW runs Tiger. I use it in my office for 
writing documents (Word 2004, OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1.1 and Bean), for 
making spreadsheet calculations (Excel 2004 and OpenOffice.org Calc 3.1.1) 
_and_ for surfing in the world wide web. And the last part is the problem. 
With Tiger no longer being supported the recently discovered security flaws 
are no longer being fixed. Surfing the internet will become more dangerous.

Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be dropped in 
the forseeable future. Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed security 
flaws not yet discovered) will also make the situation worse. (Like running 
Panther and being bound to use Firefox version 2.0, which is not a good idea 
if you ask me.)


So: why bother with Gs?

I've read, I think it was the Geekbench homepage, that the switch to Intel was 
a boost in performance to the Mac world. And I agree. Intel Macs are just... 
well, Macs! It doesn't make a difference if the hardware is PowerPC or Intel 
x86 -- as long as the operating system doesn't show any difference at all -- 
which it doesn't. Work on an Intel Mac and you won't notice anything, except 
that it is faster than any Power Mac you've ever used. Period.


To clarify one thing: I'm only having Power Macs standing around at home and 
the one in my office. I got them as presents since they were no longer used in 
the company of a friend. So he thought I could use them still, which I do by 
the way. Just one I bought myself: a Late 2005 G5 with 2.0 GHz Dual-Core. It 
is nice, but really Leopard isn't using all its power (like 64-bit).

_But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did -and do- 
with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and to see if I 
could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.

I've also entered the world of Mac OS X -- which is a great OS by the way -- 
and got stuck with using Tiger daily on my G3 BW. I love it. Something 
different for a change.


So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250 (and: Linux User #330250, Windows User #330250)
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Re: shut down pop-up

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: shut down pop-up
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:User roman...@ideal-access.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 Hi group,
 How do I get rid of the do you really want to shut down? pop-up?
 Thanks, Roman

Just hit the enter key. That makes it go away... *g*

Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a mouse?

Cheers,
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Re: shut down pop-up

[John Musbach]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:
 Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a mouse?

in Terminal it's: sudo shutdown -Ph now, running this will shutdown
your system immediately irregardless of the state of any active
applications and can be used to shutdown the machine without the
shutdown popup warning.


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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bill Connelly]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, McGrude wrote:


Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a mouse?


hit : cmd-spacebar
type : terminal
hit : enter
type : shutdown -h now
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opt-command-eject causes it to go to Sleep really quick ...


still searching ...
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Re: shut down pop-up

[Len Gerstel]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, McGrude wrote:


Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a mouse?


hit : cmd-spacebar
type : terminal
hit : enter
type : shutdown -h now
--  


Or just hit the power key on the keyboard, then hit enter

The pop up is to prevent accidental shutdowns if you hit the power  
key by accident.


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Re: shut down pop-up

[Len Gerstel]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, John Musbach wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Mac User #330250  
macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:

Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a mouse?


in Terminal it's: sudo shutdown -Ph now, running this will shutdown
your system immediately irregardless of the state of any active
applications and can be used to shutdown the machine without the
shutdown popup warning.


And this will cause you to lose any unsaved changes in any open  
documents. Do you want to risk that?


Len

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bill Connelly]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, John Musbach wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net 
 wrote:
Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a  
mouse?




if u press option as u release the Apple Menu  Shut Down command, no  
dialogue appears
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped  
with the
release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is  
already 6
months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But  
that will

be it. Dead for good. No more. The end.


That's odd. I'm quite certain that my old Tangerine iBook running 10.3  
is still working. Apple does not send out a specially coded radio  
signal to all unsupported Macs making them cease working when they  
move beyond active support.




So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?



Because I have them laying about, I can get them cheaply, they're  
useful computers doing useful tasks, and in the case of my G4  
powerbook, holding me off on having to invest in a newer laptop.




On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will  
be running

on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion).


You seen to be conflating no longer under active development with  
no longer functional


If you want the LatestGreatest all the time, well, there's a price to  
pay to stay on the bleeding edge. But there's a huge amount of Useful  
Stuff that older computers can do, and if it ain't broke, why fix it?


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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bill Connelly]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, John Musbach wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net 
 wrote:
Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a  
mouse?




if u press option as u release the Apple Menu  Shut Down command,  
no dialogue appears

--


also

control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down to commence ... with  
dialogue 


All Thanks to Pogue
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey I can't afford a newer intell based Mac... I'm running a 1G G4 with 1G 
of ram!!! I could upgrade to Leopard but for now I will stick with Tiger till I 
can't run it anymore!!! I know what you mean though... They will do what ever 
they can to force us to buy another computer and more software just to make 
more money, they do not care one bit about us pore people on fixed incomes... 
That sucks!!! How does that saying go If you want to play you got to pay... 



-Original Message-
From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net
Sent: Jan 21, 2010 3:08 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

Hello fellows of the G-Group!

I was just thinking about the future. I've just made an old G3 BW working 
again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years or more) 
and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working 
with it, in other words: it is slow.

Where was I? Ah, thinking about the future...
Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. That was 
forseeable, it doesn't come as a surprise.

I am wondering: I read so many postings here about people buying or working 
with Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. As operating system you're all running Mac 
OS X, some are still on Mac OS (which I call Classic, because I've joined 
the Mac world two years ago so the term seems fit to me).

But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?)

All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon. Some of you may be 
using Leopard already, but it is now also just a question of time when it will 
be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether.

If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped with the 
release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is already 6 
months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But that will 
be it. Dead for good. No more. The end.

So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?


On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will be running 
on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion). So if Mac OS 
X is now longer an option, you can always go the Linux way. But as I think of 
it, you will all be very unhappy with Linux. Mac OS X is really the best when 
it comes to being user friendly and easy to use for everyone (beginners but 
also experts; and geeks off course).


I'm now in this situation. My G3 BW runs Tiger. I use it in my office for 
writing documents (Word 2004, OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1.1 and Bean), for 
making spreadsheet calculations (Excel 2004 and OpenOffice.org Calc 3.1.1) 
_and_ for surfing in the world wide web. And the last part is the problem. 
With Tiger no longer being supported the recently discovered security flaws 
are no longer being fixed. Surfing the internet will become more dangerous.

Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be dropped in 
the forseeable future. Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed security 
flaws not yet discovered) will also make the situation worse. (Like running 
Panther and being bound to use Firefox version 2.0, which is not a good idea 
if you ask me.)


So: why bother with Gs?

I've read, I think it was the Geekbench homepage, that the switch to Intel was 
a boost in performance to the Mac world. And I agree. Intel Macs are just... 
well, Macs! It doesn't make a difference if the hardware is PowerPC or Intel 
x86 -- as long as the operating system doesn't show any difference at all -- 
which it doesn't. Work on an Intel Mac and you won't notice anything, except 
that it is faster than any Power Mac you've ever used. Period.


To clarify one thing: I'm only having Power Macs standing around at home and 
the one in my office. I got them as presents since they were no longer used in 
the company of a friend. So he thought I could use them still, which I do by 
the way. Just one I bought myself: a Late 2005 G5 with 2.0 GHz Dual-Core. It 
is nice, but really Leopard isn't using all its power (like 64-bit).

_But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did -and do- 
with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and to see if I 
could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.

I've also entered the world of Mac OS X -- which is a great OS by the way -- 
and got stuck with using Tiger daily on my G3 BW. I love it. Something 
different for a change.


So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250 (and: Linux User #330250, Windows User #330250)

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: shut down pop-up
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, John Musbach wrote:
  in Terminal it's: sudo shutdown -Ph now, ...
 
 And this will cause you to lose any unsaved changes in any open
 documents. Do you want to risk that?

You may be one of those users who knows exactly what (s)he's doing...

Cheers,
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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:13 PM, McGrude wrote:


Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a mouse?


hit : cmd-spacebar
type : terminal
hit : enter
type : shutdown -h now


Dictionary tells me No entries found :-/

relying on something as variable as Spotlight to work the same way for  
everyone is a poor idea.


--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs


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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bill Connelly]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, John Musbach wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net 
 wrote:
Does anyone know the key sequence to call shutdown without a  
mouse?




if u press option as u release the Apple Menu  Shut Down command,  
no dialogue appears

--


also

control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down to commence ...  
with dialogue 


All Thanks to Pogue
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control-option-command-eject


Correction ... NO Dialogue appears

Sorry it took so long to correct ... my DA shut down : )
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

 Hello fellows of the G-Group!
 
 I was just thinking about the future. I've just made an old G3 BW working 
 again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years or more) 
 and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working 
 with it, in other words: it is slow.
 
 Where was I? Ah, thinking about the future...
 Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. That was 
 forseeable, it doesn't come as a surprise.
 
 I am wondering: I read so many postings here about people buying or working 
 with Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. As operating system you're all running Mac 
 OS X, some are still on Mac OS (which I call Classic, because I've joined 
 the Mac world two years ago so the term seems fit to me).
 
 But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?)
 
 All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon. Some of you may be 
 using Leopard already, but it is now also just a question of time when it 
 will 
 be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether.
 
 If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped with the 
 release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is already 6 
 months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But that will 
 be it. Dead for good. No more. The end.
 
 So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?
 
 
 On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will be running 
 on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion). So if Mac OS 
 X is now longer an option, you can always go the Linux way. But as I think of 
 it, you will all be very unhappy with Linux. Mac OS X is really the best when 
 it comes to being user friendly and easy to use for everyone (beginners but 
 also experts; and geeks off course).
 
 
 I'm now in this situation. My G3 BW runs Tiger. I use it in my office for 
 writing documents (Word 2004, OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1.1 and Bean), for 
 making spreadsheet calculations (Excel 2004 and OpenOffice.org Calc 3.1.1) 
 _and_ for surfing in the world wide web. And the last part is the problem. 
 With Tiger no longer being supported the recently discovered security flaws 
 are no longer being fixed. Surfing the internet will become more dangerous.
 
 Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be dropped in 
 the forseeable future. Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed security 
 flaws not yet discovered) will also make the situation worse. (Like running 
 Panther and being bound to use Firefox version 2.0, which is not a good idea 
 if you ask me.)
 
 
 So: why bother with Gs?
 
 I've read, I think it was the Geekbench homepage, that the switch to Intel 
 was 
 a boost in performance to the Mac world. And I agree. Intel Macs are just... 
 well, Macs! It doesn't make a difference if the hardware is PowerPC or Intel 
 x86 -- as long as the operating system doesn't show any difference at all -- 
 which it doesn't. Work on an Intel Mac and you won't notice anything, except 
 that it is faster than any Power Mac you've ever used. Period.
 
 
 To clarify one thing: I'm only having Power Macs standing around at home and 
 the one in my office. I got them as presents since they were no longer used 
 in 
 the company of a friend. So he thought I could use them still, which I do by 
 the way. Just one I bought myself: a Late 2005 G5 with 2.0 GHz Dual-Core. It 
 is nice, but really Leopard isn't using all its power (like 64-bit).
 
 _But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did -and do- 
 with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and to see if I 
 could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.
 
 I've also entered the world of Mac OS X -- which is a great OS by the way -- 
 and got stuck with using Tiger daily on my G3 BW. I love it. Something 
 different for a change.
 
 
 So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?
 
 Cheers,
 Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250 (and: Linux User #330250, Windows User #330250)


What makes you think just because Apple drops support for PPCs and OX 10.411 
and 10.5.8 that all of a sudden every thing will cease to work? I still run my 
QuickBooks 2007, AppleWorks 6
and a host of other stuff My G3 iMacs at my shop and the same programs on my 
G5s and MBPs at the house.

 Apple didn't plant a bomb in theses boxes to go off at will like Windoze does
. 
 I have some very expensive CAD software that only will run on OS9 believe it 
or not. I need that stuff every day. A lot of us don't need Apple to support 
our machines anyway there's a lot of stuff out there for a long long time.

But that's just me.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA



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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[graphicsone]

 Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: 

=
So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?


because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides, what's 
wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?

Linda in Ohio

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Re: shut down pop-up

[McGrude]

 control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down to commence ... with
 dialogue 

 All Thanks to Pogue
 --

 control-option-command-eject

 Correction ... NO Dialogue appears

 Sorry it took so long to correct ... my DA shut down : )

LOL.   You too eh?
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[===( )8]

Andreas writes,

So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?

Me personally?

1. I am NOT willing to GIVE UP enjoying retro gaming and using my 
beloved old programs, which I would have to do if I upgraded to 
Leopard, Snow Leopard and Macintels. None of the present state of the 
art will run Classic Mode, and I keep reading about how Sheep Shaver is 
unstable. I enjoy what I do, exactly the way I'm doing it, and I don't 
wanna stop yet.


2. Brand new Macs are too rich for my blood. I don't have that kind of 
money lying around just to buy new crap which won't even RUN my beloved 
old stuff. Now, MAYBE in a few years I'll be looking to do new stuff and 
the prices will come down to my level, so I'll change my mind about 
Macintels, Leopard and Snow Leopard, but of course, by the time I'm 
ready to buy them, they won't be state of the art anymore anyway.


Y'know, some of us are just perpetually on the Trailing Edge instead of 
the Cutting Edge of technology, and we even prefer it this way!


~Yersinia.
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:graphics...@columbus.rr.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

  Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 =
 So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?
 
 
 because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides,
  what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?

Nothing. That's okay. I use older computers too. (But not 10 years I have to 
confess).

 Linda in Ohio

Andreas from Autria/Europe.
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
  If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped
  with the
  release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is
  already 6
  months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But
  that will
  be it. Dead for good. No more. The end.
 
 That's odd. I'm quite certain that my old Tangerine iBook running 10.3
 is still working. Apple does not send out a specially coded radio
 signal to all unsupported Macs making them cease working when they
 move beyond active support.

That's not what I meant, but you have a point.

  So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?
 
 Because I have them laying about, I can get them cheaply, they're
 useful computers doing useful tasks, and in the case of my G4
 powerbook, holding me off on having to invest in a newer laptop.

That's exactly why I'm now using an 11 year old G3 BW in my office. It works, 
so why waste it?

But you have to make certain drawbacks, like not being up-to-date in the 
security sense, and not being able to use new applications, even if they are 
tiny ones.

VLC is just one example. http://www.videolan.org/vlc

  On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will
  be running
  on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion).
 
 You seen to be conflating no longer under active development with
 no longer functional

No. But not getting security patches is partly no longer functional. I know 
well that all these old version of Mac OS and Mac OS X are well functional.

Speaking in PC/Microsoft/Windows terms: noone will actually *work* with 
Windows 3.1 today. This doesn't mean it is not functional.

 If you want the LatestGreatest all the time, well, there's a price to
 pay to stay on the bleeding edge. But there's a huge amount of Useful
 Stuff that older computers can do, and if it ain't broke, why fix it?

I get it, it's the money issue. Agreed, I can go with that.

Usefull stuff on the other hand lays sometimes in new useful applications as 
well. You may want to use your computer for that as well, but you may not be 
able to with older -none broken- computers.


Thanks for your reply,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mel]

You asked:

So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?

Here is a short answer in the form of an exaggerated metaphorical question.

If you needed a car just to use for grocery shopping and your choiice was a new 
Mercedes for out-of-your-pocket $50,000.00 or a 1950 Ford running almost like 
new for about out-of-pocket $100.00 and the Ford coming with a long term almost 
free 'contract' to furnish labor and parts for pennies on the dollar, which 
would you choose?

I need need a computer  for my offline business, legal  and personal needs. I 
use EXCEL (v 2.2) and WORD (v. 4.0) on a IIci I've been using since roughly 
1990 having replaced an SE30 at that time. I suits my needs fine.

I'm using a DP 533 G4 DA for everything else.  It suits my needs fine.

I've lot of spares for both.

I understand that you are making argument to support a desire for the latest 
CPU and that is fine. Don't you think that a reasonable and compelling  
argument could be made to support that it would be a sharper and more 
worthwhile perspective to not intercede and either replace or interchange 
'want' for 'need' when determining what is desirable in a CPU?

E.G. These versions of OS and supporting application software are stable, are 
fairly bug free and easily support a host of 'needs': 

OS 6.0.8 (IIci); 

OS 9.2 (7300, G3, G4), 

OS 10.4.11 (G3, G4 and 7300 using XPostFacto).

Mel


--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:

From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net
Subject: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 12:08 PM

Hello fellows of the G-Group!

I was just thinking about the future. I've just made an old G3 BW working 
again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years or more) 
and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working 
with it, in other words: it is slow.

Where was I? Ah, thinking about the future...
Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. That was 
forseeable, it doesn't come as a surprise.

I am wondering: I read so many postings here about people buying or working 
with Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. As operating system you're all running Mac 
OS X, some are still on Mac OS (which I call Classic, because I've joined 
the Mac world two years ago so the term seems fit to me).

But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?)

All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon. Some of you may be 
using Leopard already, but it is now also just a question of time when it will 
be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether.

If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped with the 
release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is already 6 
months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But that will 
be it. Dead for good. No more. The end.

So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?


On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will be running 
on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion). So if Mac OS 
X is now longer an option, you can always go the Linux way. But as I think of 
it, you will all be very unhappy with Linux. Mac OS X is really the best when 
it comes to being user friendly and easy to use for everyone (beginners but 
also experts; and geeks off course).


I'm now in this situation. My G3 BW runs Tiger. I use it in my office for 
writing documents (Word 2004, OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1.1 and Bean), for 
making spreadsheet calculations (Excel 2004 and OpenOffice.org Calc 3.1.1) 
_and_ for surfing in the world wide web. And the last part is the problem. 
With Tiger no longer being supported the recently discovered security flaws 
are no longer being fixed. Surfing the internet will become more dangerous.

Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be dropped in 
the forseeable future. Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed security 
flaws not yet discovered) will also make the situation worse. (Like running 
Panther and being bound to use Firefox version 2.0, which is not a good idea 
if you ask me.)


So: why bother with Gs?

I've read, I think it was the Geekbench homepage, that the switch to Intel was 
a boost in performance to the Mac world. And I agree. Intel Macs are just... 
well, Macs! It doesn't make a difference if the hardware is PowerPC or Intel 
x86 -- as long as the operating system doesn't show any difference at all -- 
which it doesn't. Work on an Intel Mac and you won't notice anything, except 
that it is faster than any Power Mac you've ever used. Period.


To clarify one thing: I'm only having Power Macs standing around at home and 
the one in my office. I got them as presents since they were no longer used in 
the company of a friend. So he thought I could use them still, which I do by 
the way. Just one I bought myself: a Late 2005 G5 with 2.0 GHz Dual-Core. It 
is 

Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 What makes you think just because Apple drops support for PPCs and OX
  10.411 and 10.5.8 that all of a sudden every thing will cease to work?

Sorry, I have to choose my worlds more carefully. I'm not a native speaker, so 
I made a mistake.
What I meant to point out was that all updated Software will not run on 
PowerPC based Macs in the time coming.

  I
  still run my QuickBooks 2007, AppleWorks 6 and a host of other stuff My G3
  iMacs at my shop and the same programs on my G5s and MBPs at the house.

I have a 1998 PC in the cellar, a G3 BW in the office, a G5 Late 2005 at home 
and I carry my IBM ThinkPad R51 laptop around alot.

Additionally I have a QS2001 and an AGP-400, and I lent away an MDD and a 
GE-1400 (processor upgrade).

I only bought the PC, the ThinkPad and the G5. All other computers were 
presents.

  Apple didn't plant a bomb in theses boxes to go off at will like Windoze
  does .

Yeah, sorry for the misleading words.

  I have some very expensive CAD software that only will run on OS9 believe
  it or not. I need that stuff every day. A lot of us don't need Apple to
  support our machines anyway there's a lot of stuff out there for a long
  long time.

I believe it.
Believe it or not, I'm still playing mid-1990's DOS computer games with 
ScummVM and DOSBox on any of my machines (in Windows, Linux and Mac OS X).

 But that's just me.

Thanks for the answer.

 John Carmonne
 Yorba Linda USA

Andreas, Austria in Europe
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[graphicsone]

 Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: 

 because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides,
  what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?

Nothing. That's okay. I use older computers too. (But not 10 years I have to 
confess).
==

Then you aren't getting your money's worth out of your computer. :-)

Linda in Ohio

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Jonas Ulrich]

Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general. These
machines are still useful - I currently am using a PB G4 15 1.25GHZ I paid
$145 for on ebay and am running Leopard quite well. I am also using a MDD G4
running Tiger Server Unlimited. My mother still uses a G3/500MHZ iMac with
Panther for e-mail and music. For some basic purposes PPC macs, even with
unsupported Os's will still be useful for years to come.

Until the Motherboard fried from me putting to many hard drives in (hee hee
oops...), my Beige G3 Minitower was a great machine for over a year due to
the Personality card and OS9. I used it as my
TV. When i do get an intel machine, it won't be from Apple. I'll build
a Hackintosh.

-Jonas
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  Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:

 =
 So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?
 

 because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides,
 what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?

 Linda in Ohio

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Sam Macomber]

You asked:

So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?




personally, all about money.   If I had some I'd have a new mini as a  
home computer not an over worked QS.Most of my gear is hand-me- 
down leftovers, right now crossing my fingers I may end up with a  
G5 with a bad enclosure switch(HDD fans on high) for next to  
nothing ;)   since I think the ATA card in my QS has gotten glitchy  
and I need that for my HDDs (my smallest is 320GB)


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:45 PM, graphics...@columbus.rr.com wrote:

 
  Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: 
 
 because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides,
 what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?
 
 Nothing. That's okay. I use older computers too. (But not 10 years I have to 
 confess).
 ==
 
 Then you aren't getting your money's worth out of your computer. :-)
 
 Linda in Ohio

I just resurrected an 11 year old Wallstreet  233 put in a 300 logic board and 
installed 10.4.11 it runs great a little slow but perfect for email, shopping , 
and the library.
Plus I get some inquiries about it at the library:-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA



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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:===( )8 yersi...@verizon.net
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 Andreas writes,
 
 So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?
 
 Me personally?
 
 1. I am NOT willing to GIVE UP enjoying retro gaming and using my
 beloved old programs, which I would have to do if I upgraded to
 Leopard, Snow Leopard and Macintels. None of the present state of the
 art will run Classic Mode, and I keep reading about how Sheep Shaver is
 unstable. I enjoy what I do, exactly the way I'm doing it, and I don't
 wanna stop yet.

So you will be keeping the PowerPC once you'll finally buy an oldused Intel-
Mac...

 2. Brand new Macs are too rich for my blood. I don't have that kind of
 money lying around just to buy new crap which won't even RUN my beloved
 old stuff. Now, MAYBE in a few years I'll be looking to do new stuff and
 the prices will come down to my level, so I'll change my mind about
 Macintels, Leopard and Snow Leopard, but of course, by the time I'm
 ready to buy them, they won't be state of the art anymore anyway.

Having seen a Mac Mini for 500 Euro (the prices should be 1:1 in Dollars, 
right?) I cannot really see the fuzz about it. You'll get a small Mac with a 
better speed and a new and supported operating system. You can continue to use 
whatever peripherials you may have, like the monitor and the USB keyboard and 
mouse.

If you upgrade a Power Mac with RAM, maybe a processor upgrade too and a 
bigger hard drive, you'll get close to 500 bucks too.

You won't be able to run Classic Mac OS applications though. So you will want 
to keep your Power Mac anyway.

 Y'know, some of us are just perpetually on the Trailing Edge instead of
 the Cutting Edge of technology, and we even prefer it this way!

I like that. I also like the Trailing Edge, otherwise I wouldn't be using a G3 
BW as my primary office computer now. It just suits my needs and to be honest 
-- I like it being older than a decade and still computing for me.



Cheers,
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[graphicsone]

 Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
my Beige G3 Minitower was a great machine for over a year due to
the Personality card and OS9. I used it as my
TV. 
==

I'm running a Performa 6300 as my office TV. Replaced the monitor a few times 
and the hard drive once. :-)

Linda in Ohio

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[diane]

I have a G4 1.42DP that I bought new in March 2003. I had actually 
purchased a 1.0ghz IIRC just before that as the logic board had fried 
in my Yikes! When this was announced at MacWorld days later, the 
Apple Store let me upgrade to the 1.42DP provided I paid the 
difference, which I gladly did (they wouldn't let me downgrade).


Since then I've had a 12 1.2 iBook (bad display, I'd still like to 
get it working again), and since in Oct 08 I bought the first of the 
aluminium MacBooks.


That said, I do still use my G4 every day! For what I do on it, it is 
actually fast. I have maxed the ram and put in two 500gb SATA drives 
last year. I do most of my Illustrator CS3 and Photoshop CS work on 
it. (and yes, I have opened Illy CS3 on an 8-core MacPro at the Apple 
Store - wow!)


The only thing keeping me from getting rid of this is the price of 
the MacPro and the fact that I am not bottlenecking on it at all.


But yes, as every year goes by, I think, yep, it's getting to be that 
time. I think this beats my SE by a year and that was really getting 
long in the tooth as programs were going to color back then. If I 
felt that way with the G4 then I'd never use it since I have the MB.


I know I got a killer machine in this one, I am so happy with it. I 
hope that my next one is just as good.


Sometimes I think of an iMac since they are less $$ but I am really 
going to have to think about future upgradeability etc. Sure wish I 
was in the position to upgrade every year or two. One can dream.  :)


For now I'll keep my $$ in the MB as I do transport it often. But I 
don't think I can switch to a laptop only.


FWIW I'm running Leopard on the G4. I upgraded with the drives, did a 
fresh install and it was much faster than Tiger for me. The old 
drives had gone through a few OS's.


Diane

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:Sam Macomber s...@macomber.com
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  You asked:
 
  So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?
 
 personally, all about money.   If I had some I'd have a new mini as a
 home computer not an over worked QS.Most of my gear is hand-me-
 down leftovers, right now crossing my fingers I may end up with a
 G5 with a bad enclosure switch(HDD fans on high) for next to
 nothing ;)   since I think the ATA card in my QS has gotten glitchy
 and I need that for my HDDs (my smallest is 320GB)
 
 -sam
 

I also have a QS 2001 and with the Open Firmware hack I can use a 130 GB hard 
drive without a problem. Only set-back is that the Mac OS X partition better 
be below the 130 GB barrier, so you'd need at least two paritions.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[diane]

ps - my BW laser printer is a 1200dpi Xante Accel-a-writer that I 
got for free in 2000. It cost $5000 in 1995. It is now 15 years old, 
and I just put a roller kit in it a few months ago.


It's slow as molasses but it prints beautifully.

I understand SL will break it so if I do upgrade the MB to SL I have 
to keep the G4. While lasers have gotten cheap enough to be 
consumables, the 1200 dpi ones have not.


And my color lasers are just too expensive to even turn on unless I 
have a color job to do.


Diane

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Re: shut down pop-up

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: shut down pop-up
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net
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  control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down to commence ...
  with dialogue 
 Correction ... NO Dialogue appears

Thanks. My keyboard is a DELL Windoze version, it doesn't feature an Eject 
key. Is it Command-F12 for eject then? I have to check.

Will Control-Option-Command-F12 work as well? I will try so tomorrow or next 
week...

 Sorry it took so long to correct ... my DA shut down : )

*LOL*
Then don't try the Control-Option-Command-F12 combination...


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com
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 When i do get an intel machine, it won't be from Apple. I'll build
 a Hackintosh.

I was thinking about a Hackintosh too lately. Just for the fun of it. (My 
primarly OS is still Linux, so I would be running Windows and Mac OS X just 
for fun.)

A Core i5 or even Core i7 would be fine... Should be less than 1000 Euros and 
would be comparable to a quad core Nehalem Mac Pro or even faster.

But then... I love the Power Mac/Mac Pro aluminium case. It is beautiful but 
still functional and an do-it-yourself-hardware-upgraders' dream...


Cheers,
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:brettallica
To:  Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net

 Hobby. Purely as a hobby! They're fun to resurrect, and I enjoy doing
 it.
 
 I'll never say that a G4 Mac is better than an Intel Mac, so don't
 mistake my intent. I have approximately zero programs that run better
 on a G4 than they would on an Intel-based system, so for me there is
 really no reason to hang on other than novelty.

That's one of my reasons as well. Thanks for the answer!

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[roger d]

i love power and a mac not using power is just not a mac to me i just  
bought a late 05 2ghz also and when leopard is no longer useful for  
what i do ichat mail safari itunes and mail i  will switch to linux   
its going to take alot more then a speed boost to get me to move to an  
intel mac look up the specs on ibms 595 server power is long  from  
dead its only dead for apple



power6 looks like it would be a real fast chip from the specs i saw on  
ibms  595 i gave my wife my old mdd she is happy but once she gets her  
dell fixed i think the mdd will be mmine once again she just likes her  
dell so in the long run i guess i havent moved to intel becasue im  
just a big fan of ppc

On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


Hello fellows of the G-Group!

I was just thinking about the future. I've just made an old G3 BW  
working
again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years  
or more)
and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay  
working

with it, in other words: it is slow.

Where was I? Ah, thinking about the future...
Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. That was
forseeable, it doesn't come as a surprise.

I am wondering: I read so many postings here about people buying or  
working
with Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. As operating system you're all  
running Mac
OS X, some are still on Mac OS (which I call Classic, because I've  
joined

the Mac world two years ago so the term seems fit to me).

But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?)

All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon. Some of you  
may be
using Leopard already, but it is now also just a question of time  
when it will

be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether.

If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped  
with the
release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is  
already 6
months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But  
that will

be it. Dead for good. No more. The end.

So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow?


On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will  
be running
on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion). So  
if Mac OS
X is now longer an option, you can always go the Linux way. But as I  
think of
it, you will all be very unhappy with Linux. Mac OS X is really the  
best when
it comes to being user friendly and easy to use for everyone  
(beginners but

also experts; and geeks off course).


I'm now in this situation. My G3 BW runs Tiger. I use it in my  
office for
writing documents (Word 2004, OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1.1 and Bean),  
for
making spreadsheet calculations (Excel 2004 and OpenOffice.org Calc  
3.1.1)
_and_ for surfing in the world wide web. And the last part is the  
problem.
With Tiger no longer being supported the recently discovered  
security flaws
are no longer being fixed. Surfing the internet will become more  
dangerous.


Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be  
dropped in
the forseeable future. Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed  
security
flaws not yet discovered) will also make the situation worse. (Like  
running
Panther and being bound to use Firefox version 2.0, which is not a  
good idea

if you ask me.)


So: why bother with Gs?

I've read, I think it was the Geekbench homepage, that the switch to  
Intel was
a boost in performance to the Mac world. And I agree. Intel Macs are  
just...
well, Macs! It doesn't make a difference if the hardware is PowerPC  
or Intel
x86 -- as long as the operating system doesn't show any difference  
at all --
which it doesn't. Work on an Intel Mac and you won't notice  
anything, except

that it is faster than any Power Mac you've ever used. Period.


To clarify one thing: I'm only having Power Macs standing around at  
home and
the one in my office. I got them as presents since they were no  
longer used in
the company of a friend. So he thought I could use them still, which  
I do by
the way. Just one I bought myself: a Late 2005 G5 with 2.0 GHz Dual- 
Core. It

is nice, but really Leopard isn't using all its power (like 64-bit).

_But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did - 
and do-
with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and to  
see if I

could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.

I've also entered the world of Mac OS X -- which is a great OS by  
the way --
and got stuck with using Tiger daily on my G3 BW. I love it.  
Something

different for a change.


So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250 (and: Linux User #330250, Windows  
User #330250)

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Happily (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[paseo1]

Greetings!

I am in a 9.2.2 environment...4 CPUs (all G-4s) on a ethernet network, 4
HP printers (one is large format (sheets up to 13 x 19), a CUBE as a
server and a 1 Tb backup/archive device.  There is I am ashamed to admit
it) one Dell Vista tower also on this network and we share files back
and forth daily.


PM 6.5, Claris Works, FileMaker Pro  - some of my databases have up to
35,000 records  (this has CROSS PLATFORM capabilities that are GREAT),
Illustrator  Photoshop are my workhorse apps.  So is maclink plus.

It all runs great w/o thousands of upgrade dollars chasing the latest
software  hardware.

Worst issue is web browsing...this is the one advantage of the Dell
Vista but email is not an issue on the G-4s.

I can't keyboard as fast as the G-4s can process and their processing
speed is just fine for the dollars I am keeping (personal income
stimulus) vs. spending.

Gil

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[roger d]

ok i think the mods refused my first post dont know why. im still  
using my mdd g4 and my g5 cause i like ppc. an intel mac just wouldnt  
be the same to me. both my macs do everything i ask of them and when i  
can no longer use 10.5 i will move to linux again. as i know linux  
will allways support ppc



roger











On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:57 PM, graphics...@columbus.rr.com graphics...@columbus.rr.com 
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 Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote:

=
my Beige G3 Minitower was a great machine for over a year due to
the Personality card and OS9. I used it as my
TV.
==

I'm running a Performa 6300 as my office TV. Replaced the monitor a  
few times and the hard drive once. :-)


Linda in Ohio

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Paul Stamsen]

Previously, at 3:31  pm -0500 1/21/10, graphics...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
 Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:

=
So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users?


because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides, what's 
wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs?


 I'm so cheap I wait until they're almost free!

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ibook G3 which linux?

[deftone_75]

I recently bought an ibook G3 clamshell 300, 576ram, 6 gb hard drive.
I want to experiment with linux on this machine but not sure which
version and where to get it. Any help would be great.

Jason
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Re: shut down pop-up

[Bill Connelly]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


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Subject: Re: shut down pop-up
Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
From:Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net
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control-option-command-eject will cause Shut Down to commence ...
with dialogue 

Correction ... NO Dialogue appears


Thanks. My keyboard is a DELL Windoze version, it doesn't feature an  
Eject

key. Is it Command-F12 for eject then? I have to check.

Will Control-Option-Command-F12 work as well? I will try so tomorrow  
or next

week...


Sorry it took so long to correct ... my DA shut down : )


*LOL*
Then don't try the Control-Option-Command-F12 combination...




David Pogue says use F12 if you don't have an Eject key, but, AFAIK,  
he is talking about Apple Keyboards.


I'm using an Apple Aluminum KB and Mighty Mouse under OS X 10.5.8 on a  
Digital Audio Dual 533.


I have an Eject key.

F12 is partially assigned to the Dashboard, according to System  
Preferences  Keyboard  Mouse  Keyboard Shortcuts.


I'm also reading from an old Mac OS X The Missing Manual Second  
Edition ... 10.2 Jaguar ...
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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[===( )8]

Andreas writes,

So you will be keeping the PowerPC once you'll finally buy an oldused 
Intel-Mac...


MAYBE SOMEDAY I MIGHT buy one of those damned Macintels, but I don't 
know that YET. Please don't tell me what I'll be doing in the future, OK?


Having seen a Mac Mini for 500 Euro (the prices should be 1:1 in 
Dollars, right?) I cannot really see the fuzz about it. You'll get a 
small Mac with a better speed and a new and supported operating system. 
You can continue to use whatever peripherials you may have, like the 
monitor and the USB keyboard and mouse.


According to the currency converter in my Quicksilver's Dashboard, 500 
Euro = 706.778 USD, which is WAY OVER my budget for anything that isn't 
essential, such as computers I don't need, such as Macintels.


If you upgrade a Power Mac with RAM, maybe a processor upgrade too and 
a bigger hard drive, you'll get close to 500 bucks too.


I do not need a processor upgrade. My Power Macs (G4 1.5 GHz Mini, G4 
867 Quicksilver and G3/800 iBook) are also already maxed on RAM. They 
all make me happy exactly the way they are. I only need a couple of 
LITTLE stuffs at the moment (two items I can get for $0-$30 depending on 
what my boyfriend turns up), and once I get 'em I'll be done for YEARS 
AND YEARS.


You won't be able to run Classic Mac OS applications though. So you 
will want to keep your Power Mac anyway.


Geez! I KNOW what I need for my own computing, and that is PPC Macs 
running Tiger and lower, which I HAVE and LOVE, thankyouverymuch! Now 
will you please stop trolling about the goddamn future? Right now I 
don't GIVE a donkey's ass about the freakin' future!


Listers in general -- I know, I'm kind of testy today, but I'm REALLY 
sick and tired of this push push push from Bleeding Edge people! I 
promise from now on I'll just ignore this Andreas person and all the 
other Bleeding Edgers.


~Yersinia.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[brettallica]

What fun is life without a little novelty/frivolity? :-)


On Jan 21, 1:14 pm, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:
 --  Original message  --
 Subject: Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
 Date:Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010N
 From:brettallica
 To:  Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net

  Hobby. Purely as a hobby! They're fun to resurrect, and I enjoy doing
  it.

  I'll never say that a G4 Mac is better than an Intel Mac, so don't
  mistake my intent. I have approximately zero programs that run better
  on a G4 than they would on an Intel-based system, so for me there is
  really no reason to hang on other than novelty.

 That's one of my reasons as well. Thanks for the answer!

 Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Stephen Conrad]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM, graphics...@columbus.rr.com wrote:


  Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote:

 =
 my Beige G3 Minitower was a great machine for over a year due to
 the Personality card and OS9. I used it as my
 TV.
 ==

 I'm running a Performa 6300 as my office TV. Replaced the monitor a few
 times and the hard drive once. :-)

 Linda in Ohio


Heh! I still have (on my network but not turned on at this time) my Smurf
(BW G3) and my 8600/200. I am on a Quicksilver (800 MHz running Tiger).
Do you REALLY want me to list all of my other old computers?
To stick to Apples and Macs (I have PCs, an Atari computer, some Commodores
and a Sun 3/60):

512K (2)
Plus (6, some have screen issues I am told I can fix by cleaning the MB)
SE
SE FDHD
IIcx
IIsi (2)
IIci (I *Heart* my IIci)
LC
Performa 405
Performa 450
Quadra 605
Quadra 650 MB
PowerMac 5260/100  PowerMac 5400/180 (both these machines are acting up)
PowerMac 8600/200
Blue  White G3 (a Smurf)
Quicksilver (800 MHz running Tiger 10.4.11)
Apple ][e (3, 2 are set up and 1 is gonna be a print spooler)
Apple //c
Franklin Ace 500 (Apple clone, it does not currently work)


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Re: ibook G3 which linux?

[Kasey Smith]

Try debian, but really OSX is better...
On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:53 PM, deftone_75 wrote:


I recently bought an ibook G3 clamshell 300, 576ram, 6 gb hard drive.
I want to experiment with linux on this machine but not sure which
version and where to get it. Any help would be great.

Jason


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

_But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did  
-and do-
with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and  
to see if I

could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.


Don't put linux on an intel mac btw... it could kill it.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

Well now, Andreas and others know who is running what, and can gauge
vulnerabilities that are exploitable.

Interesting revelations in a group that constantly voices reservations about
such things as facebook, Adobe Acrobat and anything that might give someone
information that can be exploited.

And it was all volunteered so easily !

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

_But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did  
-and do-
with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and  
to see if I

could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.


Don't put linux on an intel mac btw... it could kill it.


WTF?

Maybe it'll stop working in depression and despair from being saddled  
from such a poor imitation of OS X, but kill it, like in render non  
functional, bricked, pinin' for the fjords killed? No way.


You can go a long way towards bricking your system doing stupid low- 
level computer tricks if you don't know what you're doing, but it's  
always recoverable.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

_But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I  
did -and do-
with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and  
to see if I

could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.


Don't put linux on an intel mac btw... it could kill it.


WTF?

Maybe it'll stop working in depression and despair from being  
saddled from such a poor imitation of OS X, but kill it, like in  
render non functional, bricked, pinin' for the fjords killed? No  
way.


You can go a long way towards bricking your system doing stupid low- 
level computer tricks if you don't know what you're doing, but it's  
always recoverable.


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I AM NOT kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage  
part of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths  
in the CPU, eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


 On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:


 On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

 _But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did -and
 do-
 with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and to see if
 I
 could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.


 Don't put linux on an intel mac btw... it could kill it.


 WTF?

 Maybe it'll stop working in depression and despair from being saddled from
 such a poor imitation of OS X, but kill it, like in render non functional,
 bricked, pinin' for the fjords killed? No way.

 You can go a long way towards bricking your system doing stupid low-level
 computer tricks if you don't know what you're doing, but it's always
 recoverable.

 --
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 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
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 I *AM NOT* kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage part
 of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths in the CPU,
 eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.


 ___


Since you are not kidding how about some documentation ? some quick searches
show nothing for this.

I'm sure the Intel list would like to hear about such a threat.

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Removing Open Superdrive from top menu

[JIM RAPER]

Being curious I followed instructions to place an icon in my top menu so
that I could eject (open the drive to remove) a disk. Now just wondering how
do I remove that icon from the menu bar?  Thanks.  Jim

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:




On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com  
wrote:


On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:



On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

_But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I  
did -and do-
with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience  
and to see if I

could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux.


Don't put linux on an intel mac btw... it could kill it.


WTF?

Maybe it'll stop working in depression and despair from being  
saddled from such a poor imitation of OS X, but kill it, like in  
render non functional, bricked, pinin' for the fjords killed? No  
way.


You can go a long way towards bricking your system doing stupid  
low-level computer tricks if you don't know what you're doing, but  
it's always recoverable.


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College of Pharmacy
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I AM NOT kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage  
part of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths  
in the CPU, eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.



__ 
_


Since you are not kidding how about some documentation ? some quick  
searches show nothing for this.


I'm sure the Intel list would like to hear about such a threat.

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I can't find it documented either, but i knew a few Apple techs that  
get a lot of Macs in with dead CPUs and nothing but Ubunto on their  
hard drives, and they have understanding of linux and the SMC chip.


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Re: Removing Open Superdrive from top menu

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:44 PM, JIM RAPER wrote:

Being curious I followed instructions to place an icon in my top  
menu so that I could eject (open the drive to remove) a disk. Now  
just wondering how do I remove that icon from the menu bar?   
Thanks.  Jim


Hold command (apple) and drag it off

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote:


 I *AM NOT* kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage part
 of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths in the CPU,
 eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.



 ___


 Since you are not kidding how about some documentation ? some quick
 searches show nothing for this.

 I'm sure the Intel list would like to hear about such a threat.

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 I can't find it documented either, but i knew a few Apple techs that get a
 lot of Macs in with dead CPUs and nothing but Ubunto on their hard drives,
 and they have understanding of linux and the SMC chip.

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Since you are not kidding how about some documentation ? some quick  
searches show nothing for this.


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/262550

This Ubuntu bug report says an Intel MacBook with Ubuntu runs very  
hot, so hot it shuts down.


This overheating isn't specific to Intel MacBooks, I've got two old  
Compaq laptops that nearly melt when loaded with Ubuntu. The fans  
don't work right or something?


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Kasey Smith]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Since you are not kidding how about some documentation ? some  
quick searches show nothing for this.


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/262550

This Ubuntu bug report says an Intel MacBook with Ubuntu runs very  
hot, so hot it shuts down.


This overheating isn't specific to Intel MacBooks, I've got two old  
Compaq laptops that nearly melt when loaded with Ubuntu. The fans  
don't work right or something?


Overheating is part of ubuntu not knowing th SMC, i dunno if its  
related to voltages though...


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Dennis Myhand]

Kasey Smith wrote:


I *AM NOT* kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage 
part of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths in 
the CPU, eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.




This is pure, unadulterated, horse hockey.  If there was enough voltage 
running through the chip to bore new paths in the substrate and short 
out the cpu, the problem is not the OS, but someone hooking the damned 
thing up to 240 Volt Mains.  Get yer story straight.  Peace, Dennis in 
Victoria


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


Kasey Smith wrote:
I *AM NOT* kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU  
voltage part of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the  
electron paths in the CPU, eventually boring new paths and  
shorting out the CPU.


This is pure, unadulterated, horse hockey.  If there was enough  
voltage running through the chip to bore new paths in the  
substrate and short out the cpu, the problem is not the OS, but  
someone hooking the damned thing up to 240 Volt Mains.  Get yer  
story straight.  Peace, Dennis in Victoria



YEA!!

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[glen]

- Original Message 
 From: ===( )8 yersi...@verizon.net

 Y'know, some of us are just perpetually on the Trailing Edge instead of the 
 Cutting Edge of technology, and we even prefer it this way!

Yeah Yersinia, That says it!

I'm  certainly on the trailing edge but that does not mean the two G4's (a 450 
MHz Sawtooth and a 733 MHz DA) I use for business cant' handle my needs.

This is a long thread. I think Bruce said (to paraphrase)  if it ain't broke 
don't fix it; so true.

And Mel  said;
If you needed a car just to use for grocery shopping and your choiice
was a new Mercedes for out-of-your-pocket $50,000.00 or a 1950 Ford
running almost like new for about out-of-pocket $100.00

Actually I prefer the 1949 Ford and wish I could find one (' a 49 or '50) 
running reliably for $100. But Mel's point is well taken.

I also have a IIci (OS 7.5.5)  I use as an employee time clock and a PM 7100 
that uses FileMaker Pro (OS 8.1) as the main database for the business. In this 
this unsettled economy why buy something you don't need.

OTOH,  if you NEED the Intel Mac for sheer power or essential software that 
won't run on PPC, then you have fewer options. --glen


  

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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:



I AM NOT kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage  
part of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths  
in the CPU, eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU.


WOWZA, thats a large pile o'Urban legendosity. Uhh, no. A Lack of  
drivers for the SMC (which is the power control system for the laptop)  
merely means that yoiu get the fans on, and poor battery performance.


But even on that note, you're wrong, because the Asus One netbook has  
the same SMC power management and lo and behold Suse works it quite  
well.


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Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Since you are not kidding how about some documentation ? some quick  
searches show nothing for this.


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/262550

This Ubuntu bug report says an Intel MacBook with Ubuntu runs very  
hot, so hot it shuts down.


This overheating isn't specific to Intel MacBooks, I've got two old  
Compaq laptops that nearly melt when loaded with Ubuntu. The fans  
don't work right or something?



This is because the Ubuntu power management drivers are, to put it  
politely, foo. Put OpenSuse on those compaq's they'll run pretty  
happily. The crappy power management is why I went wioth OpenSuse on  
my netbook. (It's an Acer ONE, and I'm just not willing to live with  
OS X sans decent built-in wireless. Runs really well with OpenSuse 11)


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Re: shut down pop-up

[User]

On 21-Jan-10, at 3:24 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

if u press option as u release the Apple Menu  Shut Down command, no 
dialogue appears


That's a short cut without the dialogue box!  I'll also try using the 
keyboard prefs pane as suggested. Why I asked was because I don't want 
to tell the machine twice.

Thanks to everyone,
Regards, Roman


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Re: ibook G3 which linux?

[Clark Martin]

On 1/21/10 2:53 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:

Try debian, but really OSX is better...
On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:53 PM, deftone_75 wrote:


Yeah, Debian works.  I don't know if it was the CD-ROM drive in mine or 
Debian but I couldn't get it to install from the CD-ROM drive.  I ended 
up using an an external USB DVD drive.


The other thing with Debian is that they are rather conservative on 
their releases.  They don't bring out a new release until it's been 
thoroughly tested which means it works but it also means it's often out 
of date by the time it's released.  I'm using the pre-release on one 
machine and well it's kind of an adventure.


Contrast that to X where you can run tiger and use the latest release of 
Safari.


Once I got Degian installed I think it was the least trouble I've ever 
had running Linux.  Most of the time you have to tweak the X windows 
configuration file but I didn't with the Clamshell.  And WiFi worked 
right off.


Kasey is right, X is better.  It's faster.  Debian threw up several 
windows that extended off the 800x600 screen.  You can work around it 
but it's a pain.


Yes, you can install Tiger on a firewire-less clamshell.  Either using 
XPostFacto or install it on the harddisk on another computer.





I recently bought an ibook G3 clamshell 300, 576ram, 6 gb hard drive.
I want to experiment with linux on this machine but not sure which
version and where to get it. Any help would be great.


You can get Debian at http://www.debian.org.

Fedora would be another choice although the latest release is probably a 
little too much for the clamshell.


http://www.fedoraproject.org

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Re: ibook G3 which linux?

[Peter Kim]

You should be able to download Yellow Dog fairly easily, which is based on
Red Hat.  Unfortunately, Yellow Dog dropped mac development a few years ago
to focus on Cell processors.  I played with their latest on an old iMac, and
it seemed decent then.  Otherwise, OS X.3 would work well.


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 I recently bought an ibook G3 clamshell 300, 576ram, 6 gb hard drive.
 I want to experiment with linux on this machine but not sure which
 version and where to get it. Any help would be great.

 Jason

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Re: ibook G3 which linux?

[Alex Smith (K4RNT)]

openSUSE still is releasing for PowerPC, but I'm not sure on the
hardware support of G3-class machines. It won't break anything to try
it... :)

http://suse.mirrors.tds.net/pub/opensuse/distribution/11.1/iso/


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 01:16, Peter Kim pete...@gmail.com wrote:
 You should be able to download Yellow Dog fairly easily, which is based on
 Red Hat.  Unfortunately, Yellow Dog dropped mac development a few years ago
 to focus on Cell processors.  I played with their latest on an old iMac, and
 it seemed decent then.  Otherwise, OS X.3 would work well.

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 I recently bought an ibook G3 clamshell 300, 576ram, 6 gb hard drive.
 I want to experiment with linux on this machine but not sure which
 version and where to get it. Any help would be great.

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