Hi Hayden,
Absolutely. There are three huge advantages of classes over data
structures which is Privatization, inheritance, and polymorphism.
Those are the technical terms for them, and I'll quickly explain them
below.
With data structures, a struct, everything inside that struct is
public. I.E.
Hi Jim,
Hmmm...I'm pretty sure VB 6 does have object serialization. However,
as how too do it I honestly don't remember. Its been too many years to
remember VB 6 clearly. I do know that VB .Net definitely does because
I've used serialization many times in both C@# .Net and VB .Net
applications.
Hi Jim,
Right. I see your point. Well, one of the reasons I use classes is
that it simplifies that reading and writing game files quite a lot. I
don't know how much you know about object oriented programming/design
but a class is a fansy name for a collection of related variables. For
instance, a
Hi Thomas,
I definitely see how a Class and being able to just write the class to a file
and it automatically writes all of the information (variables) in that class
would come in handy and be easy to use. I do not know if VB6 would do that.
TGIF and BFN
Jim
I like Visual Basic 6.0
: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:17 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim,
Right. I see your point. Well, one of the reasons I use classes is
that it simplifies that reading and writing game files quite a lot. I
don't know how much you know about object
Hi Thomas,
As I do not create classes or anything like that, a simple text file is the
easiest way to write and retrieve data, it is just
Open homer.cfg For Output As #1
Print #1, nv(1)
Close #1
Open homer.cfg For Input As #1
Input #1, nv(1)
Close #1
or like
Open homerrec.txt For Output
Yes that's true I had that happen to me numerous times.
On 4/19/2011 7:25 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:
Hi Jason,
You know though, if it is like third down and over a dozen yards I
would highly recommend the short pass defense. They may get a few
yards with a run, but almost never enough for a
Ok Jim no problem yeah I known what you mean I am not a developer but
there is time to learn I amjust a tester and a user of software.
On 4/19/2011 7:25 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:
Hi Jason,
No, sorry, but the team names are hard coded into my game. So there
is no text file or anything like that
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Yes that's true I had that happen to me numerous times.
On 4/19/2011 7:25 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:
Hi Jason,
You know though, if it is like third down and over
Hi Thomas,
Yep, but people do like to customize the games. So in my games like golf and
monopoly I wrote separate programs for people to use to create the text slash
data files so that they were not just editing a simple text file. And then if
you make those files binary rather than simple
Hi Thomas,
Yes, it is not easy being a Cleveland sports fan. The Browns have never even made it to
the Super Bowl, the Indians have been to the World Series twice in my life and lost both
times, and don't even get me started on the Cavs and L. James. grin It's probably
a good thing that no
Hi Hayden,
Yes, pretty much. There is a tiny tiny bit of A I written into the computer
team's defense, but only a tiny tiny bit. It is also pretty much the same for
the offence, that is if you out guess the computer's defense, you do well. If
not you don't.
BFN
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Hi Jim,
Yeah, I know. The easiest way to save and read data is to serialize
it. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, if you use a binary file like
that the end user can't edit it, but its the easiest way to save and
retrieve data from a programming perspective. Unfortunately, if you
use a text file
Hi Kevin,
Cool, I'm glad that helped and that you've got my football game running again.
Thanks for letting me know.
BFN
Jim
If it's fixed, don't break it!
j...@kitchensinc.net
http://www.kitchensinc.net
(440) 286-6920
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Hi Thomas,
Yeah, the differences in rules, schedule and playoff brackets etc is probably
why mainstream football video games are either NFL or college, but never both
in the same game and switchable. They are just too different.
BFN
Jim
To every rule there's an exception vice versa.
Hi Thomas,
I did not know how to detect or trap the alt f4 key combination until recently,
so only maybe one of my games has the VB6
Private Sub Form_QueryUnload(Cancel As Integer, UnloadMode As Integer)
So none of my games are going to do all of the cleaning memory etc if one uses
the alt f4
Hi Thomas,
Yeah, I had a dos football game named Field General. It also had so many
different play options that even though I sort of knew what most of them
basically were, it was still just too much. But I do know that my football
game does not quite have enough different play options. I
Hi Jason,
No, sorry, but the team names are hard coded into my game. So there is no text
file or anything like that that you can change to change the names of the teams
in the game. I could do that if I ever do release a new version of the game.
However you would not believe how much more
Hi Jason,
You know though, if it is like third down and over a dozen yards I would highly
recommend the short pass defense. They may get a few yards with a run, but
almost never enough for a first down in that situation. And yeah, the blitz
can work great, but like if they run a screen pass
Hi Jim,
That makes sense. I have sometimes pulled off a first down by a short
pass offense or a long pass offense so it makes complete sense that is
exactly what the aposing team would do if they are on a third down and
12 yards to go. Those are long odds, but they can be b beaten with a
Hi Jim,
I know the feeling, and exactly were you are coming from on that
issue. I don't think user's quite get that adding editable text files
adds loads of tech support time and energy to a product just because
somewhere somehow someone will goof when editing them, and we get the
blame for it
Hi Jim,
I've had a couple of perfect seasons. However, like you I win more
than I lose, but most of the time I lose at least one or two games per
season. Now, if the real Cleveland Browns played as well as the
virtual Browns do we'd be in the Super Bowl just about every year for
the AFC
Hi Jason,
Yeah, sorry, I do not know the CFL football rules. And I have no idea how the
college playoffs are figured. So since my game uses NFL rules playoff
structure etc I just used the NFL team names. And I recorded the sounds for
the game right off of a football video game as my Nephew
Hi Hayden,
Yeah my NFL game needs an entire playbook of plays, but there is no way that I
am going to do that. I play the defense mostly by how many yards the offence
needs. Like goal line if they only need a couple of yards. But if it is third
down and they need more than a dozen yards
Hi Thomas,
Yeah, I might be able to do it better now, but I delete the dat files once you
start the game so that one can not just quit the game if they are losing. I
think that I could now trap the alt f4 and send it to as if one pressed the
escape key and thus you would need to return to
Hi Jim,
I don't know the CFL rules either. From what Jason described it sounds
like they are pretty different. Even something simple as three plays
to make a first down instead of the usual 4 in American football could
drastically change the way the game was written. You'd have to write
the game
Hi Jim,
that wouldn't be such a bad idea. I think given the fact that alt+f4
is such a common keyboard command some of us use it without thinking
about using escape or something else first. So having alt+f4 forfit
the game the same as the escape key would be a nice safety net to
avoid bugs like
Hi Jim,
Smile. Yeah, there are a lot of plays missing. That's for sure.
I remember back in the 1980's I had this old football game for the
Apple II-E, and it would litterally give you a list of something like
23 plays for the offense alone. While that might give you probably
every play you can
Ok Thomas sounds good please let us know when the football game is
created ossum I think that is the best sport around.
On 4/17/2011 11:19 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Jason,
Well, one of the games I eventually want to create as part of my open
source cross-platform initiative is a football
Oh ok Jim sounds good, is there a way however for now to just change the
team names if you want?
On 4/18/2011 6:03 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:
Hi Jason,
Yeah, sorry, I do not know the CFL football rules. And I have no idea
how the college playoffs are figured. So since my game uses NFL rules
Same here I usually use goal line or end run at times at times I do use
the blitz defense as well most of the time ist's zone known as galine
orend run you all know what I mean.
On 4/18/2011 6:03 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:
Hi Hayden,
Yeah my NFL game needs an entire playbook of plays, but there
Thanks. Got it running now. :)
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Kitchen
Sent: 17 April 2011 10:18
To: kevin lyon
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Kevin,
I have never gotten that error myself
Hi Kevin,
I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who
do.
1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file.
2. install the game again from my web site.
3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach.
4. never use alt f4 to exit the game.
I do believe
Hi Shane,
I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who
do.
1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file.
2. install the game again from my web site.
3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach.
4. never use alt f4 to exit the game.
I do believe
Hi Thomas,
I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who
do.
1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file.
2. install the game again from my web site.
3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach.
4. never use alt f4 to exit the game.
I do
well this never happens with me either.
usually what I do if I finnish a game is kill its data.
maybe jim you could have a program in each game or a seperate one to
select what data you wanted to kill for each game seperately or to
kill all data it could be part of the sapi game list or as a
Well those are just a few of the hidden bugs when using outdated code
on a higher op.
At 09:27 PM 4/16/2011, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6
libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what
causes that error. It is
Hi Shaun,
If one is losing a game of football so just does alt f4 to exit the game that
is cheating. So the game is set up so that you must forfeit the game by
pressing the escape key.
Being able to manipulate the dat files would also be cheating. Once you have
completed a season the dat
Hi Trouble,
It's not really a bug. The game is designed so that if you try to cheat by
exiting a game without forfeiting it, it doesn't work.
And I believe that many many many people are playing my out dated code as you
called it just perfectly fine on computers running everything from 98 to
Well i can do that same move on xp and vista, but not win7. So as put
still bug but only on win7.
And not all have seamless problems on those systems. If not for some
of the work arounds found by Tom.
At 10:33 AM 4/17/2011, you wrote:
Hi Trouble,
It's not really a bug. The game is designed
It's too bad we couldn't alter the NFL game meaning putting in new
sounds if we wanted custom sounds, making up our own teams just like you
do in baseball I know you can insirt new players in the txt file but you
can't change the team names, also I was hoping if someone can create a
CFL known
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the tips. I don't get the error that often, but I sometimes
do, or at least have seen it a few times.At least, I have agood idea
what to do or not do to avoid that error now.
On 4/17/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
Hi Shane,
I have never gotten that error
Hi Hayden,
Agreed. There is no way to determine what play the aposing team will
attempt so you can't really prepare your defence accordingly. It would
be kind of nice to look at the aposing teams formation and field
position so you can guess if they are going to try a pass, yard rush
you, or if
Hi Jason,
Well, one of the games I eventually want to create as part of my open
source cross-platform initiative is a football game. Perhaps when I
write it you can modify it and make a CFL version, a college version,
or what ever you want to do.
Smile.
On 4/17/11, jason kb3...@verizon.net
Hi, just tried to play this on my laptop running windows 7. It all seems
fine until the game kicks off, I then get an error saying:
Runtime 13
Type mismatch ... ok button
And the game closes.
Any clues anyone?
kevin
kr...@eklyon.co.uk
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I'm getting the same problem and I'm using windows xp.
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From: kevin lyon kr...@eklyon.co.uk
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:19 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi, just tried to play this on my
Hi Kevin,
I sometimes get that error too with NFL. The error is caused by a
mismatched variable and value. I.E. If you have an integer type
variable and pass it a floting point value like 1.5 VB 6 will display
that error. However, as I know Jim Kitchen doesn't use explicit type
coding, has Option
- From: kevin lyon kr...@eklyon.co.uk
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:19 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi, just tried to play this on my laptop running windows 7. It all seems
fine until the game kicks off, I then get an error
Hi Shaun,
That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6
libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what
causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when
it is the wrong datatype.
My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping
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