Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Hayden, Absolutely. There are three huge advantages of classes over data structures which is Privatization, inheritance, and polymorphism. Those are the technical terms for them, and I'll quickly explain them below. With data structures, a struct, everything inside that struct is public. I.E. always visible to the rest of your program. There are times though when you want to write some internal piece of code weather it is a function or variable that only belongs specifically to that class and nowhere else in your program. This is where Privatization comes in handy. Anything you don't want visible to the rest of your program goes in the private section of the class and is only accessible from inside the class itself and nowhere else. The second biggy is inheritance. Again with data structures once you create it you can't link it to other structures or expand the basic functionality of that struct without modifying the struct itself. Classes don't have this problem. With classes you can link several classes together or expand the functionality of a class by simply creating a new class and inheriting the old one. For example, let's say you have a basic Player class. It is pretty generic storing the direction the player is moving, where the player is located, but has no support for Jedi type characters. Well, no problem. We'll just expand the functionality of this class by creating a new one. Basically, we can create a new class called Jedi and inherit the Player class. This way we can add force powers and abilities by using the Jedi class, but borrow or reuse all the functionality in the Player class as well. Plus we don't have to modify the Player class to do it. Where with a struct you either have to modify the Player structure or write a completely new struct for Jedi characters. Neither is as handy as simply inheriting a class. Finally, there is an object oriented technique called polymorphism. With structs since there is no way to inherit or expand them there is also no way to override any functions or variables that might be present in that structure. Again classes have a huge advantage here in that you can have several functions named the same thing, but take and return different data types. Some newbies find this very confusing, but its a rather simple concept really. For instance, let us say you are creating a game and you want to have a class that generates random numbers. There are times where you might only want it to generate a number from a fixed range of integers, or you might want it to randomly generate an unlimited range of numbers. Sometimes you might want to generate a floating point number like 0.1. In C-Style data structures it will only allow you one function named SelectRandom() and you'll have to create different names for the other variations. That's sort of a pain if you have several variations on the same function. With classes polymorphism comes to the rescue. You can declare several different variations of SelectRandom() and when programming the compiler will know which variation you mean to call. It simplifies things rather than complicates them in the long run as you, the programmer, only need to remember SelectRandom(() is the function to use when generating numbers. The alternative that structs provide is several different variations like SelectRandomInteger(), SelectRandomFloat(), and SelectRandomRange() or something like that. Personally, if I have the option I'll just name them all SelectRandom() and be done with it, and classes let you do this. HTH On 4/22/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, As we are only working with variables here, my question would be: is there an advantage to using a class versus a data structure? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim, Hmmm...I'm pretty sure VB 6 does have object serialization. However, as how too do it I honestly don't remember. Its been too many years to remember VB 6 clearly. I do know that VB .Net definitely does because I've used serialization many times in both C@# .Net and VB .Net applications. Plus C# .Net and VB .Net also offer a version of Soap similar to Java where you can import and export your data to a human readable xml file. Though with VB 6 its been practically 10 years since I switched to .Net and can't remember clearly how to do more technical things like serialization etc in VB 6. On 4/22/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I definitely see how a Class and being able to just write the class to a file and it automatically writes all of the information (variables) in that class would come in handy and be easy to use. I do not know if VB6 would do that. TGIF and BFN Jim I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim,
Right. I see your point. Well, one of the reasons I use classes is
that it simplifies that reading and writing game files quite a lot. I
don't know how much you know about object oriented programming/design
but a class is a fansy name for a collection of related variables. For
instance, a wrestler class might be something like this.
class Wrestler
{
public:
string name;
float height;
int weight;
};
Right there we have created a collection of variables that all relate
to a wrestler. In this case a generic one since we haven't actually
asigned them to a specific wrestler, I.E. an object, just yet. So
we'll do that now.
Wrestler steve_austin;
Wrestler shawn_michaels;
Wrestler the_undertaker;
Ah, now we have three wrestlers and the moment I declared them above
it registered copies of the name, height, and weight variables and
asign them to each wrestler. NO problem. This is where it gets easy
for saving and loading files. Since we can reference any variable or
variables through its object all we have to do is open a file like
this
ofstream file (wrestlers.sav, ios::binary);
and then write the objects to it as is. For example,
file.write ((char *) steve_austin, sizeof (steve_austin));
file.write ((char *) shawn_michaels, sizeof (shawn_michaels));
file.write ((char *) the_undertaker, sizeof (the_undertaker));
saves the status of every single variable inside the class weather you
have one or one hundred at one time. It is very fast and easy.
Finally, doing
file.close ();
closes our data file.
The reason this is easier for me than reading from a text file is I
can read or write hundreds of variables simply by passing the name of
the class object to the file.write() function or file.read() function
and instantly save or load the state of all variables in that class at
once rather than loading them one by one. This method of streaming
class data to a file is called serialization. In particular binary
serialization since I created a binary file in this case.
Cheers!
On 4/21/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
Hi Thomas,
As I do not create classes or anything like that, a simple text file is the
easiest way to write and retrieve data, it is just
Open homer.cfg For Output As #1
Print #1, nv(1)
Close #1
Open homer.cfg For Input As #1
Input #1, nv(1)
Close #1
or like
Open homerrec.txt For Output As #1
Print #1, Homer on a Harley record file By Jim Kitchen
tp$ = Record number of buses jumped successfully
tp$ = tp$ + Str$(sbj)
Print #1, tp$
tp$ = on + Date$
Print #1, tp$
tp$ = By + r$
Print #1, tp$
Close #1
But for binary files there is more to it, like building strings etc because
you can not just write a string to or in a binary file.
Open homer.rec For Binary Access Read As #1
Get #1, , rnb
Get #1, , lorn
For x = 1 To lorn
Get #1, , ln
rn$ = rn$ + Chr$(ln)
Next x
Get #1, , RecMonth
Get #1, , RecDay
Get #1, , RecYear
Close #1
Open homer.rec For Binary Access Write As #1
Put #1, , sbj
lorn = Len(r$)
Put #1, , lorn
For x = 1 To lorn
ln = Asc(Mid$(r$, x, 1))
Put #1, , ln
Next x
dt$ = Date$
RecMonth = Val(Mid$(dt$, 1, 2))
RecDay = Val(Mid$(dt$, 4, 2))
RecYear = Val(Mid$(dt$, 7, 4))
Put #1, , RecMonth
Put #1, , RecDay
Put #1, , RecYear
Close #1
But I go through the hassle of binary files so that one can not as easily
edit the record files etc.
BFN
Jim
Binary Choir = 1”1”1”1”1”1”1”1”1
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Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, I definitely see how a Class and being able to just write the class to a file and it automatically writes all of the information (variables) in that class would come in handy and be easy to use. I do not know if VB6 would do that. TGIF and BFN Jim I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas,
As we are only working with variables here, my question would be: is there
an advantage to using a class versus a data structure?
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:17 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim,
Right. I see your point. Well, one of the reasons I use classes is
that it simplifies that reading and writing game files quite a lot. I
don't know how much you know about object oriented programming/design
but a class is a fansy name for a collection of related variables. For
instance, a wrestler class might be something like this.
class Wrestler
{
public:
string name;
float height;
int weight;
};
Right there we have created a collection of variables that all relate
to a wrestler. In this case a generic one since we haven't actually
asigned them to a specific wrestler, I.E. an object, just yet. So
we'll do that now.
Wrestler steve_austin;
Wrestler shawn_michaels;
Wrestler the_undertaker;
Ah, now we have three wrestlers and the moment I declared them above
it registered copies of the name, height, and weight variables and
asign them to each wrestler. NO problem. This is where it gets easy
for saving and loading files. Since we can reference any variable or
variables through its object all we have to do is open a file like
this
ofstream file (wrestlers.sav, ios::binary);
and then write the objects to it as is. For example,
file.write ((char *) steve_austin, sizeof (steve_austin));
file.write ((char *) shawn_michaels, sizeof (shawn_michaels));
file.write ((char *) the_undertaker, sizeof (the_undertaker));
saves the status of every single variable inside the class weather you
have one or one hundred at one time. It is very fast and easy.
Finally, doing
file.close ();
closes our data file.
The reason this is easier for me than reading from a text file is I
can read or write hundreds of variables simply by passing the name of
the class object to the file.write() function or file.read() function
and instantly save or load the state of all variables in that class at
once rather than loading them one by one. This method of streaming
class data to a file is called serialization. In particular binary
serialization since I created a binary file in this case.
Cheers!
On 4/21/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
Hi Thomas,
As I do not create classes or anything like that, a simple text file is
the
easiest way to write and retrieve data, it is just
Open homer.cfg For Output As #1
Print #1, nv(1)
Close #1
Open homer.cfg For Input As #1
Input #1, nv(1)
Close #1
or like
Open homerrec.txt For Output As #1
Print #1, Homer on a Harley record file By Jim Kitchen
tp$ = Record number of buses jumped successfully
tp$ = tp$ + Str$(sbj)
Print #1, tp$
tp$ = on + Date$
Print #1, tp$
tp$ = By + r$
Print #1, tp$
Close #1
But for binary files there is more to it, like building strings etc
because
you can not just write a string to or in a binary file.
Open homer.rec For Binary Access Read As #1
Get #1, , rnb
Get #1, , lorn
For x = 1 To lorn
Get #1, , ln
rn$ = rn$ + Chr$(ln)
Next x
Get #1, , RecMonth
Get #1, , RecDay
Get #1, , RecYear
Close #1
Open homer.rec For Binary Access Write As #1
Put #1, , sbj
lorn = Len(r$)
Put #1, , lorn
For x = 1 To lorn
ln = Asc(Mid$(r$, x, 1))
Put #1, , ln
Next x
dt$ = Date$
RecMonth = Val(Mid$(dt$, 1, 2))
RecDay = Val(Mid$(dt$, 4, 2))
RecYear = Val(Mid$(dt$, 7, 4))
Put #1, , RecMonth
Put #1, , RecDay
Put #1, , RecYear
Close #1
But I go through the hassle of binary files so that one can not as easily
edit the record files etc.
BFN
Jim
Binary Choir = 1
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http://www.kitchensinc.net
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Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, As I do not create classes or anything like that, a simple text file is the easiest way to write and retrieve data, it is just Open homer.cfg For Output As #1 Print #1, nv(1) Close #1 Open homer.cfg For Input As #1 Input #1, nv(1) Close #1 or like Open homerrec.txt For Output As #1 Print #1, Homer on a Harley record file By Jim Kitchen tp$ = Record number of buses jumped successfully tp$ = tp$ + Str$(sbj) Print #1, tp$ tp$ = on + Date$ Print #1, tp$ tp$ = By + r$ Print #1, tp$ Close #1 But for binary files there is more to it, like building strings etc because you can not just write a string to or in a binary file. Open homer.rec For Binary Access Read As #1 Get #1, , rnb Get #1, , lorn For x = 1 To lorn Get #1, , ln rn$ = rn$ + Chr$(ln) Next x Get #1, , RecMonth Get #1, , RecDay Get #1, , RecYear Close #1 Open homer.rec For Binary Access Write As #1 Put #1, , sbj lorn = Len(r$) Put #1, , lorn For x = 1 To lorn ln = Asc(Mid$(r$, x, 1)) Put #1, , ln Next x dt$ = Date$ RecMonth = Val(Mid$(dt$, 1, 2)) RecDay = Val(Mid$(dt$, 4, 2)) RecYear = Val(Mid$(dt$, 7, 4)) Put #1, , RecMonth Put #1, , RecDay Put #1, , RecYear Close #1 But I go through the hassle of binary files so that one can not as easily edit the record files etc. BFN Jim Binary Choir = 1”1”1”1”1”1”1”1”1 j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Yes that's true I had that happen to me numerous times. On 4/19/2011 7:25 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Jason, You know though, if it is like third down and over a dozen yards I would highly recommend the short pass defense. They may get a few yards with a run, but almost never enough for a first down in that situation. And yeah, the blitz can work great, but like if they run a screen pass and complete the pass, he can be gone for a touch down from 99 yards away. You know because everyone is in on the blitz and no one is left to cover the player who catches the pass. BFN Jim Features should be discovered, not documented! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Ok Jim no problem yeah I known what you mean I am not a developer but there is time to learn I amjust a tester and a user of software. On 4/19/2011 7:25 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Jason, No, sorry, but the team names are hard coded into my game. So there is no text file or anything like that that you can change to change the names of the teams in the game. I could do that if I ever do release a new version of the game. However you would not believe how much more tech support work that makes for a developer with that kind of option and people incorrectly edit those text files that the game needs to run. BFN Jim Errors have been made. Others will be blamed j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi, For me the defense seems to be nothing more than a coin toss; you never know what the opponents will play, and if you choose wrong, well...you're just screwed, I guess. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of jason Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:30 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football Yes that's true I had that happen to me numerous times. On 4/19/2011 7:25 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Jason, You know though, if it is like third down and over a dozen yards I would highly recommend the short pass defense. They may get a few yards with a run, but almost never enough for a first down in that situation. And yeah, the blitz can work great, but like if they run a screen pass and complete the pass, he can be gone for a touch down from 99 yards away. You know because everyone is in on the blitz and no one is left to cover the player who catches the pass. BFN Jim Features should be discovered, not documented! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, Yep, but people do like to customize the games. So in my games like golf and monopoly I wrote separate programs for people to use to create the text slash data files so that they were not just editing a simple text file. And then if you make those files binary rather than simple text files they are not easily editable by the end user. Of course you also loose the ease of editing and reading that data for the game's use. It is just another part of producing and distributing games where you need to make a decision on what is the best compromise that you and the end user can live with. BFN Jim The high cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, Yes, it is not easy being a Cleveland sports fan. The Browns have never even made it to the Super Bowl, the Indians have been to the World Series twice in my life and lost both times, and don't even get me started on the Cavs and L. James. grin It's probably a good thing that no NASCAR drivers are from Cleveland. grin Of course the WWE champion is from Cleveland. But yeah, that bites. I think that it was last year that one NFL football team was the best all year and then lost in the first game of the playoffs. BFN Jim Things could only be worse in Cleveland. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Hayden, Yes, pretty much. There is a tiny tiny bit of A I written into the computer team's defense, but only a tiny tiny bit. It is also pretty much the same for the offence, that is if you out guess the computer's defense, you do well. If not you don't. BFN - Original Message - Hi, For me the defense seems to be nothing more than a coin toss; you never know what the opponents will play, and if you choose wrong, well...you're just screwed, I guess. Best Regards, Hayden Jim I saw a woman wearing a sweat shirt with Guess on it...so I said Implants? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Yeah, I know. The easiest way to save and read data is to serialize it. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, if you use a binary file like that the end user can't edit it, but its the easiest way to save and retrieve data from a programming perspective. Unfortunately, if you use a text file you lose all the advantages of creating a class and being able to serialize its data making the work 10 times harder. Although, this is where a language like Java does come in handy. In Java there is an API called soap. I don't have any clue where they got the name from, but it was designed to handle this particular issue in a very sstraight forward manner. Basically, instead of serializing data to a binary file it saves your classes to an xml file. Since xml is a markup language your save game files, menus, whatever you saved will be very nice to edit and are fairly straight forward. Here is an example. xml eve nameEve Torres/name age32/age fromDenver Colorado/from genderfemale/gender weight131/wait /eve /xml As you can see the xml tags are similar to html. You start out with the object name, and then each tag inside the object tags are the variables with their saved data. Anyone should be able to read that and edit it fairly easily. There might be a way to do this in C++, but I suspect I'd have to hunt down a third-party API where languages like .Java have this built in by default. HTH On 4/20/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Yep, but people do like to customize the games. So in my games like golf and monopoly I wrote separate programs for people to use to create the text slash data files so that they were not just editing a simple text file. And then if you make those files binary rather than simple text files they are not easily editable by the end user. Of course you also loose the ease of editing and reading that data for the game's use. It is just another part of producing and distributing games where you need to make a decision on what is the best compromise that you and the end user can live with. BFN Jim The high cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Kevin, Cool, I'm glad that helped and that you've got my football game running again. Thanks for letting me know. BFN Jim If it's fixed, don't break it! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, Yeah, the differences in rules, schedule and playoff brackets etc is probably why mainstream football video games are either NFL or college, but never both in the same game and switchable. They are just too different. BFN Jim To every rule there's an exception vice versa. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, I did not know how to detect or trap the alt f4 key combination until recently, so only maybe one of my games has the VB6 Private Sub Form_QueryUnload(Cancel As Integer, UnloadMode As Integer) So none of my games are going to do all of the cleaning memory etc if one uses the alt f4 to exit the game. Plus they will not then go back to my kitchensinc game menu system as they are designed to do. So I ought to go back and rewrite every one of my 30 game titles and add the Private Sub Form_QueryUnload(Cancel As Integer, UnloadMode As Integer) as well as all of the other better ways that I have learned this past decade to use sapi5 speech, DirectX direct sound and direct input. Probably not going to happen though. grin BFN Jim A long time ago I changed my name from Ron Moore. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, Yeah, I had a dos football game named Field General. It also had so many different play options that even though I sort of knew what most of them basically were, it was still just too much. But I do know that my football game does not quite have enough different play options. I still like playing it though. I win more often than not, but do not believe that I have ever had a perfect season. BFN Jim WARNING: The Surgeon General Started Smoking! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jason, No, sorry, but the team names are hard coded into my game. So there is no text file or anything like that that you can change to change the names of the teams in the game. I could do that if I ever do release a new version of the game. However you would not believe how much more tech support work that makes for a developer with that kind of option and people incorrectly edit those text files that the game needs to run. BFN Jim Errors have been made. Others will be blamed j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jason, You know though, if it is like third down and over a dozen yards I would highly recommend the short pass defense. They may get a few yards with a run, but almost never enough for a first down in that situation. And yeah, the blitz can work great, but like if they run a screen pass and complete the pass, he can be gone for a touch down from 99 yards away. You know because everyone is in on the blitz and no one is left to cover the player who catches the pass. BFN Jim Features should be discovered, not documented! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim, That makes sense. I have sometimes pulled off a first down by a short pass offense or a long pass offense so it makes complete sense that is exactly what the aposing team would do if they are on a third down and 12 yards to go. Those are long odds, but they can be b beaten with a successful pass. So the most likely defence is to try and block the pass or intercept it. On 4/19/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Jason, You know though, if it is like third down and over a dozen yards I would highly recommend the short pass defense. They may get a few yards with a run, but almost never enough for a first down in that situation. And yeah, the blitz can work great, but like if they run a screen pass and complete the pass, he can be gone for a touch down from 99 yards away. You know because everyone is in on the blitz and no one is left to cover the player who catches the pass. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, I know the feeling, and exactly were you are coming from on that issue. I don't think user's quite get that adding editable text files adds loads of tech support time and energy to a product just because somewhere somehow someone will goof when editing them, and we get the blame for it not working right. I'd just prefer to hard code that data and not do all the extra work of reading a text file into memory, and then correctly passing that information off to the correct object or variable. That's 10 times more complicated than it needs to be, and if you don't edit that text file correctly it can blow up in the user's and developer's face. Cheers! On 4/19/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Jason, No, sorry, but the team names are hard coded into my game. So there is no text file or anything like that that you can change to change the names of the teams in the game. I could do that if I ever do release a new version of the game. However you would not believe how much more tech support work that makes for a developer with that kind of option and people incorrectly edit those text files that the game needs to run. BFN Jim Errors have been made. Others will be blamed j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim, I've had a couple of perfect seasons. However, like you I win more than I lose, but most of the time I lose at least one or two games per season. Now, if the real Cleveland Browns played as well as the virtual Browns do we'd be in the Super Bowl just about every year for the AFC championship. I remember this one season I played every game in the 16 game season perfectly. I get to the play offs and get eliminated from the AFC championship. Now, doesn't that bite? Cheers! On 4/19/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah, I had a dos football game named Field General. It also had so many different play options that even though I sort of knew what most of them basically were, it was still just too much. But I do know that my football game does not quite have enough different play options. I still like playing it though. I win more often than not, but do not believe that I have ever had a perfect season. BFN Jim WARNING: The Surgeon General Started Smoking! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jason, Yeah, sorry, I do not know the CFL football rules. And I have no idea how the college playoffs are figured. So since my game uses NFL rules playoff structure etc I just used the NFL team names. And I recorded the sounds for the game right off of a football video game as my Nephew played it. BFN Jim The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Hayden, Yeah my NFL game needs an entire playbook of plays, but there is no way that I am going to do that. I play the defense mostly by how many yards the offence needs. Like goal line if they only need a couple of yards. But if it is third down and they need more than a dozen yards the short pass defense will almost always get it done. The blitz can work great or be a disaster. It would be very cool if I could actually write a football game that was called the way that Jim Donivan calls the Cleveland Browns games. You know how each team is lined up, who is in motion etc. And of course with the entire playbook thing. And then on another thread, I sure would love to be able to write a Roller coaster Tycoon sim. But I do play the defense on a hunch with my knowledge of the game of football. BFN Jim Ever feel like life was a game and you had the wrong instruction book? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, Yeah, I might be able to do it better now, but I delete the dat files once you start the game so that one can not just quit the game if they are losing. I think that I could now trap the alt f4 and send it to as if one pressed the escape key and thus you would need to return to the game or forfeit the game, but either way the dat files would be rewritten the way that they are now with the escape key. BFN Jim The short fortuneteller who escaped from prison was a small medium at large. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim, I don't know the CFL rules either. From what Jason described it sounds like they are pretty different. Even something simple as three plays to make a first down instead of the usual 4 in American football could drastically change the way the game was written. You'd have to write the game in such a way that you could toggle this or that rule set based on league etc. Sounds like a lot of work to me. Even something like the NFL and college football would be pretty different over all. Maybe not so much in the way the games are played, but how you figure the season and instead of something like the Super bowl you would have to add something like the Rose Bowl. Again not easy to do considering you have more teams and season standings to track and so on. It couldn't necessarily be a simple on/off switch. On 4/18/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Jason, Yeah, sorry, I do not know the CFL football rules. And I have no idea how the college playoffs are figured. So since my game uses NFL rules playoff structure etc I just used the NFL team names. And I recorded the sounds for the game right off of a football video game as my Nephew played it. BFN Jim The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim, that wouldn't be such a bad idea. I think given the fact that alt+f4 is such a common keyboard command some of us use it without thinking about using escape or something else first. So having alt+f4 forfit the game the same as the escape key would be a nice safety net to avoid bugs like runtime error 13 from happening. I've had to add a similar keyboard trap in my own games to over ride the window closed event to first properly shutdown DirectX, unload sounds, before calling the WindowDestroy() function to actually kill the Window properly. Cheers! On 4/18/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah, I might be able to do it better now, but I delete the dat files once you start the game so that one can not just quit the game if they are losing. I think that I could now trap the alt f4 and send it to as if one pressed the escape key and thus you would need to return to the game or forfeit the game, but either way the dat files would be rewritten the way that they are now with the escape key. BFN Jim The short fortuneteller who escaped from prison was a small medium at large. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Smile. Yeah, there are a lot of plays missing. That's for sure. I remember back in the 1980's I had this old football game for the Apple II-E, and it would litterally give you a list of something like 23 plays for the offense alone. While that might give you probably every play you can think of at the time I was maybe 6 or 7, not that up on football plays etc, so it actually got to be too confusing because you had to have an in depth understanding of what all those plays were to effectively use them. Even then th e game would screw up and intersept a screen pass treating it as a long pass and other weird bugs. Lol! On 4/18/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Hayden, Yeah my NFL game needs an entire playbook of plays, but there is no way that I am going to do that. I play the defense mostly by how many yards the offence needs. Like goal line if they only need a couple of yards. But if it is third down and they need more than a dozen yards the short pass defense will almost always get it done. The blitz can work great or be a disaster. It would be very cool if I could actually write a football game that was called the way that Jim Donivan calls the Cleveland Browns games. You know how each team is lined up, who is in motion etc. And of course with the entire playbook thing. And then on another thread, I sure would love to be able to write a Roller coaster Tycoon sim. But I do play the defense on a hunch with my knowledge of the game of football. BFN Jim Ever feel like life was a game and you had the wrong instruction book? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Ok Thomas sounds good please let us know when the football game is created ossum I think that is the best sport around. On 4/17/2011 11:19 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jason, Well, one of the games I eventually want to create as part of my open source cross-platform initiative is a football game. Perhaps when I write it you can modify it and make a CFL version, a college version, or what ever you want to do. Smile. On 4/17/11, jasonkb3...@verizon.net wrote: It's too bad we couldn't alter the NFL game meaning putting in new sounds if we wanted custom sounds, making up our own teams just like you do in baseball I know you can insirt new players in the txt file but you can't change the team names, also I was hoping if someone can create a CFL known as the Canadian Football League, game just like Kitchen's NFL because I am a fan of the CFL as well and I like how you have to run 60 yards before going down the other end of the field again, I also like when you only get 3 tries to make a first down or scoring a chip shot meaning if you hit the right upright you score 2 points if you hit the left upright then you score 1 point, and if the ball goes down straight down the middle you score 3 points just little features like that. Also I would also like penalties in this game as well just thought I would put in my suggestions I hope an NCAA college football game can be created as well. On 4/16/2011 9:27 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6 libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when it is the wrong datatype. My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping himself what he did is passed a value to a variable such as an integer like 5, and then later tried to pass an incompatible datatype like a float, double, string, etc to that variable later on and the program blows up. The variable in question currently is asigned an integer value or something like that, and has only reserved enough memory for an integer value, and he tried to reasign it after it was asigned a different datatype and the runtime basically comes back saying Ummm...This ain't legal code dude! On 4/16/11, shaun everisssm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Oh ok Jim sounds good, is there a way however for now to just change the team names if you want? On 4/18/2011 6:03 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Jason, Yeah, sorry, I do not know the CFL football rules. And I have no idea how the college playoffs are figured. So since my game uses NFL rules playoff structure etc I just used the NFL team names. And I recorded the sounds for the game right off of a football video game as my Nephew played it. BFN Jim The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Same here I usually use goal line or end run at times at times I do use the blitz defense as well most of the time ist's zone known as galine orend run you all know what I mean. On 4/18/2011 6:03 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Hayden, Yeah my NFL game needs an entire playbook of plays, but there is no way that I am going to do that. I play the defense mostly by how many yards the offence needs. Like goal line if they only need a couple of yards. But if it is third down and they need more than a dozen yards the short pass defense will almost always get it done. The blitz can work great or be a disaster. It would be very cool if I could actually write a football game that was called the way that Jim Donivan calls the Cleveland Browns games. You know how each team is lined up, who is in motion etc. And of course with the entire playbook thing. And then on another thread, I sure would love to be able to write a Roller coaster Tycoon sim. But I do play the defense on a hunch with my knowledge of the game of football. BFN Jim Ever feel like life was a game and you had the wrong instruction book? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Thanks. Got it running now. :) -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: 17 April 2011 10:18 To: kevin lyon Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football Hi Kevin, I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who do. 1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file. 2. install the game again from my web site. 3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach. 4. never use alt f4 to exit the game. I do believe the alt f4 is what causes the error most often. The game does not recreate the necessary dat files with the coach name etc and thus it does not have the data to pass to the variable the next time the game is played. I hope that helps. BFN Jim Watson, the game's afoot! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Kevin, I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who do. 1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file. 2. install the game again from my web site. 3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach. 4. never use alt f4 to exit the game. I do believe the alt f4 is what causes the error most often. The game does not recreate the necessary dat files with the coach name etc and thus it does not have the data to pass to the variable the next time the game is played. I hope that helps. BFN Jim Watson, the game's afoot! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Shane, I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who do. 1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file. 2. install the game again from my web site. 3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach. 4. never use alt f4 to exit the game. I do believe the alt f4 is what causes the error most often. The game does not recreate the necessary dat files with the coach name etc and thus it does not have the data to pass to the variable the next time the game is played. I hope that helps. BFN Jim A PROGRAM is used to turn data into error messages. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Thomas, I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who do. 1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file. 2. install the game again from my web site. 3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach. 4. never use alt f4 to exit the game. I do believe the alt f4 is what causes the error most often. The game does not recreate the necessary dat files with the coach name etc and thus it does not have the data to pass to the variable the next time the game is played. I hope that helps. BFN Jim I got my degree from Briggs and Stratton. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
well this never happens with me either. usually what I do if I finnish a game is kill its data. maybe jim you could have a program in each game or a seperate one to select what data you wanted to kill for each game seperately or to kill all data it could be part of the sapi game list or as a seperate program. At 09:18 p.m. 17/04/2011, you wrote: Hi Kevin, I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who do. 1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file. 2. install the game again from my web site. 3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach. 4. never use alt f4 to exit the game. I do believe the alt f4 is what causes the error most often. The game does not recreate the necessary dat files with the coach name etc and thus it does not have the data to pass to the variable the next time the game is played. I hope that helps. BFN Jim Watson, the game's afoot! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Well those are just a few of the hidden bugs when using outdated code on a higher op. At 09:27 PM 4/16/2011, you wrote: Hi Shaun, That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6 libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when it is the wrong datatype. My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping himself what he did is passed a value to a variable such as an integer like 5, and then later tried to pass an incompatible datatype like a float, double, string, etc to that variable later on and the program blows up. The variable in question currently is asigned an integer value or something like that, and has only reserved enough memory for an integer value, and he tried to reasign it after it was asigned a different datatype and the runtime basically comes back saying Ummm...This ain't legal code dude! On 4/16/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Shaun, If one is losing a game of football so just does alt f4 to exit the game that is cheating. So the game is set up so that you must forfeit the game by pressing the escape key. Being able to manipulate the dat files would also be cheating. Once you have completed a season the dat files are reset. HTH BFN - Original Message - well this never happens with me either. usually what I do if I finnish a game is kill its data. maybe jim you could have a program in each game or a seperate one to select what data you wanted to kill for each game seperately or to kill all data it could be part of the sapi game list or as a seperate program. At 09:18 p.m. 17/04/2011, you wrote: Hi Kevin, I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who do. 1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file. 2. install the game again from my web site. 3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach. 4. never use alt f4 to exit the game. I do believe the alt f4 is what causes the error most often. The game does not recreate the necessary dat files with the coach name etc and thus it does not have the data to pass to the variable the next time the game is played. I hope that helps. BFN Jim Watson, the game's afoot! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA Jim There is no such thing as a Fail Safe design. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Trouble, It's not really a bug. The game is designed so that if you try to cheat by exiting a game without forfeiting it, it doesn't work. And I believe that many many many people are playing my out dated code as you called it just perfectly fine on computers running everything from 98 to 7 64 bit. BFN - Original Message - Well those are just a few of the hidden bugs when using outdated code on a higher op. At 09:27 PM 4/16/2011, you wrote: Hi Shaun, That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6 libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when it is the wrong datatype. My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping himself what he did is passed a value to a variable such as an integer like 5, and then later tried to pass an incompatible datatype like a float, double, string, etc to that variable later on and the program blows up. The variable in question currently is asigned an integer value or something like that, and has only reserved enough memory for an integer value, and he tried to reasign it after it was asigned a different datatype and the runtime basically comes back saying Ummm...This ain't legal code dude! On 4/16/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. --- Jim Check my web site for my free blind accessible pc dos and windows games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Well i can do that same move on xp and vista, but not win7. So as put still bug but only on win7. And not all have seamless problems on those systems. If not for some of the work arounds found by Tom. At 10:33 AM 4/17/2011, you wrote: Hi Trouble, It's not really a bug. The game is designed so that if you try to cheat by exiting a game without forfeiting it, it doesn't work. And I believe that many many many people are playing my out dated code as you called it just perfectly fine on computers running everything from 98 to 7 64 bit. BFN - Original Message - Well those are just a few of the hidden bugs when using outdated code on a higher op. At 09:27 PM 4/16/2011, you wrote: Hi Shaun, That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6 libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when it is the wrong datatype. My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping himself what he did is passed a value to a variable such as an integer like 5, and then later tried to pass an incompatible datatype like a float, double, string, etc to that variable later on and the program blows up. The variable in question currently is asigned an integer value or something like that, and has only reserved enough memory for an integer value, and he tried to reasign it after it was asigned a different datatype and the runtime basically comes back saying Ummm...This ain't legal code dude! On 4/16/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. --- Jim Check my web site for my free blind accessible pc dos and windows games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
It's too bad we couldn't alter the NFL game meaning putting in new sounds if we wanted custom sounds, making up our own teams just like you do in baseball I know you can insirt new players in the txt file but you can't change the team names, also I was hoping if someone can create a CFL known as the Canadian Football League, game just like Kitchen's NFL because I am a fan of the CFL as well and I like how you have to run 60 yards before going down the other end of the field again, I also like when you only get 3 tries to make a first down or scoring a chip shot meaning if you hit the right upright you score 2 points if you hit the left upright then you score 1 point, and if the ball goes down straight down the middle you score 3 points just little features like that. Also I would also like penalties in this game as well just thought I would put in my suggestions I hope an NCAA college football game can be created as well. On 4/16/2011 9:27 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6 libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when it is the wrong datatype. My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping himself what he did is passed a value to a variable such as an integer like 5, and then later tried to pass an incompatible datatype like a float, double, string, etc to that variable later on and the program blows up. The variable in question currently is asigned an integer value or something like that, and has only reserved enough memory for an integer value, and he tried to reasign it after it was asigned a different datatype and the runtime basically comes back saying Ummm...This ain't legal code dude! On 4/16/11, shaun everisssm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jim, Thanks for the tips. I don't get the error that often, but I sometimes do, or at least have seen it a few times.At least, I have agood idea what to do or not do to avoid that error now. On 4/17/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Shane, I have never gotten that error myself, but this seems to fix it for those who do. 1. uninstall the game by running the uninfoot.bat file. 2. install the game again from my web site. 3. make sure to enter a valid name for your coach. 4. never use alt f4 to exit the game. I do believe the alt f4 is what causes the error most often. The game does not recreate the necessary dat files with the coach name etc and thus it does not have the data to pass to the variable the next time the game is played. I hope that helps. BFN Jim A PROGRAM is used to turn data into error messages. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Hayden, Agreed. There is no way to determine what play the aposing team will attempt so you can't really prepare your defence accordingly. It would be kind of nice to look at the aposing teams formation and field position so you can guess if they are going to try a pass, yard rush you, or if the quarterback is going to move the ball himself, etc. In general I can play the entire game using a goal line defence and get as much success as using a blitz etc. Cheers! On 4/17/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I think the defense needs some work. I have yet to figure out any (I mean any) way of figuring out which defensive paly to call; it's just a dice roll. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Jason, Well, one of the games I eventually want to create as part of my open source cross-platform initiative is a football game. Perhaps when I write it you can modify it and make a CFL version, a college version, or what ever you want to do. Smile. On 4/17/11, jason kb3...@verizon.net wrote: It's too bad we couldn't alter the NFL game meaning putting in new sounds if we wanted custom sounds, making up our own teams just like you do in baseball I know you can insirt new players in the txt file but you can't change the team names, also I was hoping if someone can create a CFL known as the Canadian Football League, game just like Kitchen's NFL because I am a fan of the CFL as well and I like how you have to run 60 yards before going down the other end of the field again, I also like when you only get 3 tries to make a first down or scoring a chip shot meaning if you hit the right upright you score 2 points if you hit the left upright then you score 1 point, and if the ball goes down straight down the middle you score 3 points just little features like that. Also I would also like penalties in this game as well just thought I would put in my suggestions I hope an NCAA college football game can be created as well. On 4/16/2011 9:27 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6 libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when it is the wrong datatype. My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping himself what he did is passed a value to a variable such as an integer like 5, and then later tried to pass an incompatible datatype like a float, double, string, etc to that variable later on and the program blows up. The variable in question currently is asigned an integer value or something like that, and has only reserved enough memory for an integer value, and he tried to reasign it after it was asigned a different datatype and the runtime basically comes back saying Ummm...This ain't legal code dude! On 4/16/11, shaun everisssm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
I'm getting the same problem and I'm using windows xp. - Original Message - From: kevin lyon kr...@eklyon.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football Hi, just tried to play this on my laptop running windows 7. It all seems fine until the game kicks off, I then get an error saying: Runtime 13 Type mismatch ... ok button And the game closes. Any clues anyone? kevin kr...@eklyon.co.uk --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Kevin, I sometimes get that error too with NFL. The error is caused by a mismatched variable and value. I.E. If you have an integer type variable and pass it a floting point value like 1.5 VB 6 will display that error. However, as I know Jim Kitchen doesn't use explicit type coding, has Option Explicit off, the VB Runtime should do the type conversions automatically, but doesn't appear to in this case. In short it is a bug in the game, and only happens once and a while at least for me. Anyway, this kind of runtime error is hard to track down if you are not type coding your code, and why not using explicit datatyping is bad. were the program properly datatyped with Option Explicit enabled the compiler would have flagged this error when compiling, or at least it should since it would send up a read flag. HTH On 4/16/11, kevin lyon kr...@eklyon.co.uk wrote: Hi, just tried to play this on my laptop running windows 7. It all seems fine until the game kicks off, I then get an error saying: Runtime 13 Type mismatch ... ok button And the game closes. Any clues anyone? kevin kr...@eklyon.co.uk --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. At 06:21 a.m. 17/04/2011, you wrote: I'm getting the same problem and I'm using windows xp. - Original Message - From: kevin lyon kr...@eklyon.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football Hi, just tried to play this on my laptop running windows 7. It all seems fine until the game kicks off, I then get an error saying: Runtime 13 Type mismatch ... ok button And the game closes. Any clues anyone? kevin kr...@eklyon.co.uk --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim kitchen's nfl football
Hi Shaun, That's not going to resolve the problem. I've got the latest VB 6 libs, and still get a runtime error 13. I've already explained what causes that error. It is caused by passing a value to a variable when it is the wrong datatype. My guess here is since Jim doesn't use datatyping himself what he did is passed a value to a variable such as an integer like 5, and then later tried to pass an incompatible datatype like a float, double, string, etc to that variable later on and the program blows up. The variable in question currently is asigned an integer value or something like that, and has only reserved enough memory for an integer value, and he tried to reasign it after it was asigned a different datatype and the runtime basically comes back saying Ummm...This ain't legal code dude! On 4/16/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you need the latest vb6sp5 libs from ms they should still exist somewhere. I know the dxvb stuff is loaded by jim's setup and this shouldn't happen on older oses. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
