Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Will and all, Yes, this is really beginning to stray off the topic of games so we might want to begin closing this thread down soon. Not to mention if we continue to debate religious beliefs sooner or later we will stomp on someones toes which we don't want to do. However, as for me

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, Yeah, but that is straying from the real issue here. The real issue are games like Mysteries of the Ancients sinful, evil, bla. Personally, I don't see it because it is fiction and it is not a worship issue. It is just entertainment. Bryan Peterson wrote: Not only that but there are

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Al, Well said. Bottom line, people, the key here is to keep things in perspective. It is probably alright for Christians to play Dungeons and Dragonsor other games provided they don't get carried away with it, and don't let the game rule their life. If a person doesn't feel comfortable

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-19 Thread lelia
:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Hi, I agree with you for the most part. I am also a christian, and I have played Dungeons and Dragons for a large part of my christian life especially after I became blind. Games in and of themselves are not the problem, it is the persons focus

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-19 Thread Wil James
: http://www.twitter.com/wiljames Personal Web Page: http://www.wilanddenise.com/wil -Original Message- From: Willem [mailto:dwill...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion You have

[Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Charles Rivard
It's not organized religion that I'm against. It's the behavior and opinions of some of the people. --- Gun control only controls the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson b-peter...@hotmail.com To:

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread william lomas
well nicole chose to be part of jehovas witness so it is his problem we can choose waht we believe in life don't blame other people blames oneself for decisions you make. People never stand up for their own opinion, religion particularly jehovas witness is ramming it down peoples throats

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread kelby carlson
I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun and stories (which, really, is what a lot of video games are--stories.) I just do not understand the attitude of some religious folks that if you read a

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Che
quote: well nicole chose to be part of jehovas witness so it is his problem end quote. Actually, this kind of gets to the heart of the problem I think. Few people choose their religion. Most are brought up in it with no option to opt out. People that are indoctrenated into a lifestyle from

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Allan Thompson
Hi, I agree with you for the most part. I am also a christian, and I have played Dungeons and Dragons for a large part of my christian life especially after I became blind. Games in and of themselves are not the problem, it is the persons focus on those games that cause the trouble. This isnt

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Kevin Weispfennig
kelbycarl...@usfamily.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just related. There's idolatry, then there's just fun

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Charles Rivard
. - Original Message - From: kelby carlson kelbycarl...@usfamily.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I can say, as a Conservative evangelical, that I am absolutely sickened by what Nicol just

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Wil James
Message- From: Charles Rivard [mailto:woofer...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion I'll see you when we're both there, then. It's not what you read or play, but what you do with it that counts. How

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread ari
Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here, but what I find interesting is, and I'll tell you guys why I think it's rubbish, but as a liberal Christian myself I find it weird how some Christian pastors who claim that somehow playing some games actually loosens evil

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Charles Rivard
the guns of lawful citizens while placing them in control of the unlawful ones. - Original Message - From: ari aridamoula...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Good one Wil! But, I

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Bryan Peterson
...and kill that boy! - Original Message - From: Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Here's an interesting question. If weather forecasters can tell the future, where

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Bryan Peterson
aridamoula...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here, but what I find interesting is, and I'll tell you guys why I think it's

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Exactly my thoughts. It is not so much organized religion or Christianity itself that is the problem. Often it is how people recieve it, what they take from the message, that becomes the real issue. Since we have all different backgrounds, different personalities, we all may get

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Kelby, That makes two of us. I am also appalled by what Nicol is going through, and it is hard for me to understand how someone like his mother can be so extremest in her thinking. My in-laws are a lot like that, from the sounds of it, and there problem is everything is either black or

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Will, Actually, it isn't that simple for most people. It is a proven fact a lot of what makes us who we are our religious beliefs, likes/dislikes, political associations, etc are learned from our parents. As a result we are less likely to be objective about our own opinions, religious

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Willem
- From: Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Here's an interesting question. If weather forecasters can tell the future, where do they go? Heaven? Hell? Christian

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Willem
the persons influencing you. - Original Message - From: ari aridamoula...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] games and religion Good one Wil! But, I hate to really throw a spanner in the works here

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread Willem
: [Audyssey] games and religion And yet they idolize C.S. Louis when, by their own logic, he should be sin. So I totally agree. And then they make their own video and computer games which involve their share of combat to slay the demons and eil spirits, the very things they seem to vilify. I

Re: [Audyssey] games and religion

2009-04-18 Thread shaun everiss
hmmm. Thats something I need to do with computers, its not religious but I have a habbit that I spend to much time on the pc when anything breaks like my hard drive or the system goes down I mope around. Slowly starting to get out of it. Another thing is that if something goes down and you work