Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
Hi, No, Peru is not an island. It is a country on the South American continent. You guys need to brush up on your geography lessons. Smile nicol wrote: Thanks, I've learned something! However, I thought peru is an island. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
give us an accessible game with sound effects for that Thomas, lol! Seriously, there's this really cool sighted board game, where, I can't remember what it was called, but what happened was the pieces were planes, and you threw dice and moved on a map, trying to answer questions about capitals and stuff, there would be cards you had to draw as well, with chance events like a terrible storm has diverted you to Helsinki. I can't remember exactly, but the aim of the game was I think at the beginning, you drew something that decided from where you started and to where you had to go, something like your flight must go from Washington to Melbourne. I do actually wish there were some fun ways for learning geography, as it's hard to get braille maps here and I'd love to get a better idea where countries are compared to each other. I can of course say that Germany and France, for example, are in Europe, and I think I'm right that they even border each other, but I don't really know who's west of who, or where Ohio and Florida and all the states in the US are when you here people talk about them. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks, I've learned something! However, I thought peru is an island. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bryan Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day No. Those aren't even the same continent. The US is in North America. That's not the same as South America. Unfortunately the only South American country I can name offhand would be Peru. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The point is, and unfortunately we're now in a vicious circle. Charities, government run organizations, whether it be because of the ADA, or the DDA in the UK, are set up to purchase these products because employers won't pay for it. And rightly so who the hell would pay for something that is worth more than the computer. It wouldn't matter if jaws cost $80 or $8000. it would have to be bought. So do you seriously think knowing this the adaptive tech companies are going to lower their prices? Why should they. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 07 February 2008 16:01 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Thomas, I have also been thinking about it from your point of view, and it really is a tricky situation, but thanks to some new good free screen readers there isn't as big a problem as it used to be. What I would wish for is that, if a person needed a product like jaws, and they were living in a developing country, if Freedom Scientific could work with some aid charities where something could be arranged. Big companies like Microsoft do alter their prices for different regions, but, as you say, they have enough people to do so, it's just that I have seen first-hand experiences of people having huge problems because they can't afford the software, but I also really do understand the other point of view. If screen reader companies were to start regional pricing, then people in rich countries would find a way to import or get coppies from developing countries. One thing which someone did mention, many of us are very happy with the GW Micro idea, because many dealers in some developing countries don't have enough money to allow customers to do a monthly payback, but the GW model has given quite a few people a good solution. Even in a country which is less developed for blind people, I'm still always grateful that I was born in South Africa, because some blind people are treated absolutely awfully in some other countries. I know, until recently, there was a law in one country which didn't allow blind people to marry, because apparrently the government of that country actually considered blindness on parr with severe mental problems, and in many superstitious cultures, if you're born blind, it's considered by everyone that you are cursed, there was a case my friend had to deal with where a father had basically locked his own blind son in a room, not even allowing him to go out into the community because, in his eyes, his blind son brought shame and disgrace on his family. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 06/02/2008 20:14 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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nope, south american countries are costa rica argentina chile colombia ecuador guatemala uraguay paraguay - Original Message - From: nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Quote a couple times that Montezuma's Return is quite expensive in some South American countries I live in the United States End quote Isn't south American countries part of the united states? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Ari, I totally understand where those people are coming from in the cases below, and I can sympathize with their situation. Unfortunately, that isn't the fault of the company that produced the product in question. It is the fault of society in general, and the economic status of the developing country where the person resides. For example, I have been told a couple times that Montezuma's Return is quite expensive in some South American countries, and have been asked if I could lower the price for them. Well, the problem is I live in the United States and I need to charge an amount of money suited for the econemy where I live. If I cut the price in half to lower the payment for that person's econemy then I am losing money and am unable to sustain a quality of income necessary for my own country's econemy. There isn't a good answer for this kind of catch 22 situation. With a company such as FS the reason the software is so high is they have several programmers and tech support personelle making around $6 a year last I checked. In order to pay all those programmers, tech support people, and sales reps the software has to make enough in order to pay all those employees and cover things like computer upgrades, software upgrades, etc to keep the business running. Selling Jaws dirt cheap to every blind user on SSI, in developing countries, etc isn't going to pay all those employees and pay the electric bill do to economic prices. We can treat this has a Robinhood situation where we rob the ritch to support the poor, but never see by robbing the ritch we eventually hurt the poor as well. If you steel income required for upgrades, research, etc the next product release isn't going to be as good as it could have been. Often times we might not even know what was left out do to our piracy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, I have also been thinking about it from your point of view, and it really is a tricky situation, but thanks to some new good free screen readers there isn't as big a problem as it used to be. What I would wish for is that, if a person needed a product like jaws, and they were living in a developing country, if Freedom Scientific could work with some aid charities where something could be arranged. Big companies like Microsoft do alter their prices for different regions, but, as you say, they have enough people to do so, it's just that I have seen first-hand experiences of people having huge problems because they can't afford the software, but I also really do understand the other point of view. If screen reader companies were to start regional pricing, then people in rich countries would find a way to import or get coppies from developing countries. One thing which someone did mention, many of us are very happy with the GW Micro idea, because many dealers in some developing countries don't have enough money to allow customers to do a monthly payback, but the GW model has given quite a few people a good solution. Even in a country which is less developed for blind people, I'm still always grateful that I was born in South Africa, because some blind people are treated absolutely awfully in some other countries. I know, until recently, there was a law in one country which didn't allow blind people to marry, because apparrently the government of that country actually considered blindness on parr with severe mental problems, and in many superstitious cultures, if you're born blind, it's considered by everyone that you are cursed, there was a case my friend had to deal with where a father had basically locked his own blind son in a room, not even allowing him to go out into the community because, in his eyes, his blind son brought shame and disgrace on his family. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah all of us on this list are very lucky people. We should appreciate what we have more. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Thomas, I have also been thinking about it from your point of view, and it really is a tricky situation, but thanks to some new good free screen readers there isn't as big a problem as it used to be. What I would wish for is that, if a person needed a product like jaws, and they were living in a developing country, if Freedom Scientific could work with some aid charities where something could be arranged. Big companies like Microsoft do alter their prices for different regions, but, as you say, they have enough people to do so, it's just that I have seen first-hand experiences of people having huge problems because they can't afford the software, but I also really do understand the other point of view. If screen reader companies were to start regional pricing, then people in rich countries would find a way to import or get coppies from developing countries. One thing which someone did mention, many of us are very happy with the GW Micro idea, because many dealers in some developing countries don't have enough money to allow customers to do a monthly payback, but the GW model has given quite a few people a good solution. Even in a country which is less developed for blind people, I'm still always grateful that I was born in South Africa, because some blind people are treated absolutely awfully in some other countries. I know, until recently, there was a law in one country which didn't allow blind people to marry, because apparrently the government of that country actually considered blindness on parr with severe mental problems, and in many superstitious cultures, if you're born blind, it's considered by everyone that you are cursed, there was a case my friend had to deal with where a father had basically locked his own blind son in a room, not even allowing him to go out into the community because, in his eyes, his blind son brought shame and disgrace on his family. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, there are instances that I have seen where for the case of humanity, I am looking at it from the perspective of the developing world where money is scarce, and, let us say, before NVDA and free screen readers, there were, let's call them needs, and there were questions of refused funding for such programs while a fellow blind comrade's livlihood was in peril because if he didn't have such software he couldn't get a job he needed to support his family, even though he was willing to work, some people were unable or unwilling to help out. I'm being cryptic, but I can still defend piracy. There are also instances of persons living in countries under US sanctions who, a certain blind person wanted to become a teacher, and, because he was not allowed to import screen reading programs, well, provisions had to be made. I know that this is technically piracy, but I regard this as delicate shades of grey where I would allow human discretion. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, Your opinion is exactly the kind of double standard I was talking about a day or two ago. It is very hypocritical, and comes back to my point we lie best when we lie to ourselves. On one hand you say pirating software is wrong, but on the other you say pirating music is O.K. Did it ever occur to you steeling is steeling no matter what it is you steel? shaun everiss wrote: yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Kuvvosh, Well, I do think reformatting your hard drive that often is a bit extreme, but I do think I have three suggestions that can help you. 1. Buy an extra computer. Use one as a test machine and the other as a day to day computer for everything else. 2. Buy a removable drive tray. These allow you to swop between several hard drives by pulling out the tray, (drawer,) that contains your master hard drive and inserting a new one. 3. Buy a drive selecter. This is a switch you install in your computer which allows you to switch between three different master hard drives in your computer. Kuvvosh wrote: Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software. I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever month as well if not more. So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key and have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something. So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required activation at the moment. I got 4 games that need activation and right now they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being formatted all the t ime from beta testing. Matter of Fact, I just got a new laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there and activate them there. Also if you format your computer a lot, might want to consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore without having to lose safed info and stuff. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Willem, Actually, I usually don't have a problem with the GMA product keys. I have reinstalled XP before, and have been able to reuse my license keys. If product activations is really a big problem for you you should invest in a drive copy software so you can image a clean install of XP, Vista, etc so you don't have to install everything from scratch. Willem wrote: Yes. My home pc's harddrive broke, after I had to repare windows 3 times in 6 months, so I'm waiting a few days to see if the system is stable before requesting keys. Bottom line, I hate the feeling requesting a key after I already asked for 2 keys before that, so I end up not playing a game. Sarah and the gma games are examples. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed. I helped a friend with obtaining cracks, because (1) he needed the program for doing his work and (2) The screen reader in question was priced so high that he wouldn't have been able to buy it any way. It's maybe not the rightist thing to do, but to use the metaphor, doctors have to work on the Sabbath too. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day No, there are instances that I have seen where for the case of humanity, I am looking at it from the perspective of the developing world where money is scarce, and, let us say, before NVDA and free screen readers, there were, let's call them needs, and there were questions of refused funding for such programs while a fellow blind comrade's livlihood was in peril because if he didn't have such software he couldn't get a job he needed to support his family, even though he was willing to work, some people were unable or unwilling to help out. I'm being cryptic, but I can still defend piracy. There are also instances of persons living in countries under US sanctions who, a certain blind person wanted to become a teacher, and, because he was not allowed to import screen reading programs, well, provisions had to be made. I know that this is technically piracy, but I regard this as delicate shades of grey where I would allow human discretion. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Michael, Quote On the face of it, piracy doesn't seem wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time seeing the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become as pervasive as it has particularly with music. End quote Michael, I think you just hit the nail on the head. Back in my piracy cracking days I didn't see it as a crime, a sin, or even consider it steeling because no physical goods were taken. If you steel a friends music cd some physical object is taken, and your friend no longer has possession of that cd. However, with piracy though your friend gets to keep the original copy, and you can have a copy as well. You have in a sense cloned the master cd, and it is hard to see it as a crime because nothing physical was taken. There is no evident consequences for making a copy. It is easy to think, if some ritch musician or software company loses a few bucks so what. They are ritch I am not. I didn't steel anything from them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Oriol, I am not writing you to flame you or pick on you, but I do think your excuse for cracking is still a pretty lame excuse to crack and pirate. With a little time and money you can invest in software or hardware to make piracy unnecessary. You can invest in drive imaging software, buy extra hard drives and drive trays, you can get a drive selecter, a computer dedicated for gaming, etc. Yes, the alternatives above are not cheap, but it is legal, and it is a good way to avoid a lot of product activation, requesting new keys, etc. I just want to say that it is because of cracking that we have product activation, have to request new keys, etc. Every time you crack something you become apart of the problem, and not the solution. You become just another statistic developers are trying to protect their software from and security gets worse, and worse, and worse. The worse product security gets crackers feel justified in cracking it, and legal users are upset at the additional security. I admit I hate security and authorisation systems as much as anyone here. It is one of the reasons I use a lot of Linux applications. The os and most apps are free or low cost. I don't have to deal with product keys for everything, but it was my choice so I don't have to pirate the same kind of apps for Windows. oriol gómez wrote: ok guys, I didn't write why i have a jd crack so you guys could pick on me, i only wrote that because liam asked us why we are doing it. m --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, thanks from me too for that site. -- From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:48 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hmm thanks for that site. 2 bucks per album man. At 04:18 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote: It's been a while but I believe I'll step into the dirt this time around. I'm certainly guilty of mp3 piracy in the past. I used to hate buying an album and then discovering that out of thirteen or sixteen songs, there was maybe four or five that I actually enjoyed if I was very lucky. I used to deeply resent that. I found it all too easy to rationalise grabbing a song here or there that I actually wanted. With software, there's too much of a stretch for me to ever make that kind of compromise with morality. If I enjoy using a program, I'll either enjoy it enough to buy it or simply do without it. It's that cut and dried. You're purchasing one thing that presumeably does what you want or need it to do. There's no slippery slope there. It's just a moral cliff to either jump off or not. Personally, I much prefer the higher ground. If, for some reason, I need technical support or a replacement key, I know I'm entitled to good customer care. On the music front, I've finally had the good luck to have found: www.mp3fiesta.com It sells mp3s very cheaply so that buying an album is something like two dollars US and individual tracks are around ten cents. Downloading the mp3s is as easy as downloading a regular file and I don't have to worry about them only working on one machine or anything like that. It's about as reasonable as humanly possible and I know I'm supporting the artists. Any way you slice it, piracy is wrong. I'm not certain there's all that much to understand about why people do it. On the face of it, piracy doesn't seem wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time seeing the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become as pervasive as it has particularly with music. In the accessible games industry, we'll feel the effects of piracy far more keenly as developers either go out of business or make their security more restrictive to the point where it starts to deny legitimate customers the ownership rights they ought to have. That process has already started with these activation keys which tie a game to a certain machine. I just had to get another code for Pipe2 so I could have it on my new desktop. If and when I'm able to get the funds to upgrade Jaws and go to a Vista machine, I'll have to do that all over again. If people keep passing around keys and cracks, I just hope developers keep their legal customers foremost. Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.blindspots.net - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you say you pirate music. What's the difference? Amazing hypocrisy. shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM: well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding
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I guess then I shouldn't have recorded tv shows and coppied cassettes for people when I was a teenager because that is or was piracy also? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Shaun, Your opinion is exactly the kind of double standard I was talking about a day or two ago. It is very hypocritical, and comes back to my point we lie best when we lie to ourselves. On one hand you say pirating software is wrong, but on the other you say pirating music is O.K. Did it ever occur to you steeling is steeling no matter what it is you steel? shaun everiss wrote: yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi TJ and James, I think you missed the obvious. If you don't like the developers price for a product, and you don't think the product is worth the price, don't buy it. Even if the product is a simple game like Beep and it costs $30 that is not an excuse to crack it. A wise person once told me, if you can't afford it you probably don't need it. You will always find something else to do the job. For example, I know I will never have the money to buy a brand new Porsche 911. However, that doesn't mean my wife and I have to do without a car. We are currently buying a used 1991 Toyoda in fairly good condition. It isn't as nice as the Porsche, but it still gets us where we want to go for a fraction of the price. Tj wrote: James is correct. But it's a bit deeper than that. My thing is, that's wrong on the producer's end too. To put 3 minutes into coding something to sell for like 30 dollars. If we can do that, why don't I write out the score of the superbowl and sell it for 20 bucks. - Original Message - From: James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I think he was refering to the fact that selling the game Beep for any price, no matter how low, with be a completely stupid move, as all you do is hit the space bar for 5 minutes, then its over! Just my thoughts. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A pirate is a pirate whether it's software or music. Anybody who uses torrant sites. Or other places like rapidshare. Anything like that is piracy. Funny though how everybody cries fowl when it's software though and not when it comes to music. We all do it. I dare say everybody on this list does it. But how many will admit to it especially when they are quick to judge others for copying software? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of josh Sent: 06 February 2008 15:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I guess then I shouldn't have recorded tv shows and coppied cassettes for people when I was a teenager because that is or was piracy also? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Shaun, Your opinion is exactly the kind of double standard I was talking about a day or two ago. It is very hypocritical, and comes back to my point we lie best when we lie to ourselves. On one hand you say pirating software is wrong, but on the other you say pirating music is O.K. Did it ever occur to you steeling is steeling no matter what it is you steel? shaun everiss wrote: yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 20:57 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, The question the inquiring mind wants to know if the software is high priced and a pile of dung why would you want to crack it anyway? After all there is no sense in cracking a piece of software illegally if you think it is crap to begin with. shaun everiss wrote: Yeah, in the perfect world we buy software thats good and everyone puts in their share. Ofcause its not, some choose to copy software and at the other end some software companies especially the bigger ones can sell software for high prices thats prety much a pile of dung and not worth it at all. Thats life I guess. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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here here Darren! Not judgemental! Sure, it is stealing, but in some cases I consider it a more Robin Hood type act. But I do think for blind games and software, for me ethically, piracy is a no-no, because people like Thomas and Liam are one-man businesses, trying to make a living, they're doing it for a very small market like us, they're also not rich rich, and also games are not an absolute necessity, but I do agree that if a person does pirate, I'm thankful there's not a huge spying satellite judging harshly every case. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Well, it is true that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc do cost quite a bit of cash, but there are now free and low cost alternatives in the works. NVDA is totally free, and is good enough for most day to day use. My Universal Screen Access software doesn't currently have a price, but I think it will be a good solution for those needing a low cost screen reader for Windows. shaun everiss wrote: Although I don't pirate jaws and stuff yeah reader companies do charge loads. Jaws is supposed to be now charged with tax now to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tom, Weren't you considering releasing a game and claim it as your own, while at the same time releasing a sound pack so that people can modify it? wouldn't that be copyright infringement, and isn't that theft? I'm not accusing you, heck everyone on this list would love you for that *grin*, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for most people to take the 100% legal way. Aren't huge companies like Microsoft sued for infringing copyrights all the time? How about record labels? they've too been sued. some accessible games we have contain copyrighted sounds. None of the games I have are illegally obtained, but truth of the matter is if we were to obtain everything we wanted 100% legally, we'd need a large supply of cash and unfortunately that's something many blind and visually impaired individuals lack. Just thought I'd jump into the discussion since the entire list has *grin*. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Josh, Well, if we want to take the strictly legal view copying music tapes, recording tv shows for friends, etc is piracy. However, as Michael pointed out because nothing physically is stolen it is hard to think of it as theft. I am sure everyone on this list, including me, has done it in our lives and never thought anything of it. I know I have, and it is a very hard habit to break. Alot of this stems from intelectual property rights. We all disagree with some property rights that seam to us to be unreasonable or unfair. For example, George Lucas invented Star Wars, and legally has the right to control the Star Wars trade marks, copyrights, and so on as he wishes. However, fans of his ideas want to know why they are not freely permited to write games, make movies, games, etc using his ideas. Lucas doesn't allow it, and I want to. Now, just because I want to does that give me the right to steel his ideas? josh wrote: I guess then I shouldn't have recorded tv shows and coppied cassettes for people when I was a teenager because that is or was piracy also? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Shaun, Your opinion is exactly the kind of double standard I was talking about a day or two ago. It is very hypocritical, and comes back to my point we lie best when we lie to ourselves. On one hand you say pirating software is wrong, but on the other you say pirating music is O.K. Did it ever occur to you steeling is steeling no matter what it is you steel? shaun everiss wrote: yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And also, to be perfectly blunt about it, and this isn't a pop at anybody when I say this, sarah, packman, monti, all copy writed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yohandy Sent: 06 February 2008 18:32 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Tom, Weren't you considering releasing a game and claim it as your own, while at the same time releasing a sound pack so that people can modify it? wouldn't that be copyright infringement, and isn't that theft? I'm not accusing you, heck everyone on this list would love you for that *grin*, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for most people to take the 100% legal way. Aren't huge companies like Microsoft sued for infringing copyrights all the time? How about record labels? they've too been sued. some accessible games we have contain copyrighted sounds. None of the games I have are illegally obtained, but truth of the matter is if we were to obtain everything we wanted 100% legally, we'd need a large supply of cash and unfortunately that's something many blind and visually impaired individuals lack. Just thought I'd jump into the discussion since the entire list has *grin*. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Josh, Well, if we want to take the strictly legal view copying music tapes, recording tv shows for friends, etc is piracy. However, as Michael pointed out because nothing physically is stolen it is hard to think of it as theft. I am sure everyone on this list, including me, has done it in our lives and never thought anything of it. I know I have, and it is a very hard habit to break. Alot of this stems from intelectual property rights. We all disagree with some property rights that seam to us to be unreasonable or unfair. For example, George Lucas invented Star Wars, and legally has the right to control the Star Wars trade marks, copyrights, and so on as he wishes. However, fans of his ideas want to know why they are not freely permited to write games, make movies, games, etc using his ideas. Lucas doesn't allow it, and I want to. Now, just because I want to does that give me the right to steel his ideas? josh wrote: I guess then I shouldn't have recorded tv shows and coppied cassettes for people when I was a teenager because that is or was piracy also? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Shaun, Your opinion is exactly the kind of double standard I was talking about a day or two ago. It is very hypocritical, and comes back to my point we lie best when we lie to ourselves. On one hand you say pirating software is wrong, but on the other you say pirating music is O.K. Did it ever occur to you steeling is steeling no matter what it is you steel? shaun everiss wrote: yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org
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Hi Yohandy, Yes, and that is one of those huge gray areas that might or might not have a right answer. Truth be told it is probably impossible for a game developer not to steel someone elses idea, or do some copyright infringement. Take Jim Kitchen's games. Monopoly, NFL, Yatzi, etc. All of those things are copyrighted, but do to the limited market, the fact they are free, etc I don't seriously see someone like Hazbro Toys or the NFL suing him for copyright infringement. It would cost them more to take the case to court than Jim is harming them. Though I think we are now comparing apples and oranges. Using a copyright is different than cracking and steeling someones software or music. Yohandy wrote: Tom, Weren't you considering releasing a game and claim it as your own, while at the same time releasing a sound pack so that people can modify it? wouldn't that be copyright infringement, and isn't that theft? I'm not accusing you, heck everyone on this list would love you for that *grin*, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for most people to take the 100% legal way. Aren't huge companies like Microsoft sued for infringing copyrights all the time? How about record labels? they've too been sued. some accessible games we have contain copyrighted sounds. None of the games I have are illegally obtained, but truth of the matter is if we were to obtain everything we wanted 100% legally, we'd need a large supply of cash and unfortunately that's something many blind and visually impaired individuals lack. Just thought I'd jump into the discussion since the entire list has *grin*. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quote a couple times that Montezuma's Return is quite expensive in some South American countries I live in the United States End quote Isn't south American countries part of the united states? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Ari, I totally understand where those people are coming from in the cases below, and I can sympathize with their situation. Unfortunately, that isn't the fault of the company that produced the product in question. It is the fault of society in general, and the economic status of the developing country where the person resides. For example, I have been told a couple times that Montezuma's Return is quite expensive in some South American countries, and have been asked if I could lower the price for them. Well, the problem is I live in the United States and I need to charge an amount of money suited for the econemy where I live. If I cut the price in half to lower the payment for that person's econemy then I am losing money and am unable to sustain a quality of income necessary for my own country's econemy. There isn't a good answer for this kind of catch 22 situation. With a company such as FS the reason the software is so high is they have several programmers and tech support personelle making around $6 a year last I checked. In order to pay all those programmers, tech support people, and sales reps the software has to make enough in order to pay all those employees and cover things like computer upgrades, software upgrades, etc to keep the business running. Selling Jaws dirt cheap to every blind user on SSI, in developing countries, etc isn't going to pay all those employees and pay the electric bill do to economic prices. We can treat this has a Robinhood situation where we rob the ritch to support the poor, but never see by robbing the ritch we eventually hurt the poor as well. If you steel income required for upgrades, research, etc the next product release isn't going to be as good as it could have been. Often times we might not even know what was left out do to our piracy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Darren, Yeah, true. However, in the commercial world there is quite a bit of miner copyright infringement going on as well. If you think about it Montezuma's Revenge came out around the time Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom came out, and there is no question in my mind that Parker Brothers was thinking of that movie when they came out with Montezuma's Revenge. Years later the developers of Tomb Raider admitted they were thinking of an Indiana Jones type leading roll for their game, but the company didn't want to have to pay royalties and licenses to Lucas to get Indiana Jones. So they created their own leading character, Lara Croft, loosely based on Indiana Jones. Which is perfectly legal under copyright law. Another case in point is some years ago there was a board game out called Hotels. It was similar to Monopoly in all respects except the name. Each player got a car, went around the board buying up land, and then building big expensive Hotels. When the other players went bankrupt, and you had a monopoly, the game was over. Everyone can see where the makers of the game got the idea, but according to copyright law the game was different enough not to step on any copyright infringements. However, I think we are getting way off topic here. Dealing with copyright issues is not the same as cracking software and pirating it. Darren Harris wrote: And also, to be perfectly blunt about it, and this isn't a pop at anybody when I say this, sarah, packman, monti, all copy writed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yohandy Sent: 06 February 2008 18:32 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Tom, Weren't you considering releasing a game and claim it as your own, while at the same time releasing a sound pack so that people can modify it? wouldn't that be copyright infringement, and isn't that theft? I'm not accusing you, heck everyone on this list would love you for that *grin*, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for most people to take the 100% legal way. Aren't huge companies like Microsoft sued for infringing copyrights all the time? How about record labels? they've too been sued. some accessible games we have contain copyrighted sounds. None of the games I have are illegally obtained, but truth of the matter is if we were to obtain everything we wanted 100% legally, we'd need a large supply of cash and unfortunately that's something many blind and visually impaired individuals lack. Just thought I'd jump into the discussion since the entire list has *grin*. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Josh, Well, if we want to take the strictly legal view copying music tapes, recording tv shows for friends, etc is piracy. However, as Michael pointed out because nothing physically is stolen it is hard to think of it as theft. I am sure everyone on this list, including me, has done it in our lives and never thought anything of it. I know I have, and it is a very hard habit to break. Alot of this stems from intelectual property rights. We all disagree with some property rights that seam to us to be unreasonable or unfair. For example, George Lucas invented Star Wars, and legally has the right to control the Star Wars trade marks, copyrights, and so on as he wishes. However, fans of his ideas want to know why they are not freely permited to write games, make movies, games, etc using his ideas. Lucas doesn't allow it, and I want to. Now, just because I want to does that give me the right to steel his ideas? josh wrote: I guess then I shouldn't have recorded tv shows and coppied cassettes for people when I was a teenager because that is or was piracy also? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Shaun, Your opinion is exactly the kind of double standard I was talking about a day or two ago. It is very hypocritical, and comes back to my point we lie best when we lie to ourselves. On one hand you say pirating software is wrong, but on the other you say pirating music is O.K. Did it ever occur to you steeling is steeling no matter what it is you steel? shaun everiss wrote: yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
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No. Those aren't even the same continent. The US is in North America. That's not the same as South America. Unfortunately the only South American country I can name offhand would be Peru. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Quote a couple times that Montezuma's Return is quite expensive in some South American countries I live in the United States End quote Isn't south American countries part of the united states? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Ari, I totally understand where those people are coming from in the cases below, and I can sympathize with their situation. Unfortunately, that isn't the fault of the company that produced the product in question. It is the fault of society in general, and the economic status of the developing country where the person resides. For example, I have been told a couple times that Montezuma's Return is quite expensive in some South American countries, and have been asked if I could lower the price for them. Well, the problem is I live in the United States and I need to charge an amount of money suited for the econemy where I live. If I cut the price in half to lower the payment for that person's econemy then I am losing money and am unable to sustain a quality of income necessary for my own country's econemy. There isn't a good answer for this kind of catch 22 situation. With a company such as FS the reason the software is so high is they have several programmers and tech support personelle making around $6 a year last I checked. In order to pay all those programmers, tech support people, and sales reps the software has to make enough in order to pay all those employees and cover things like computer upgrades, software upgrades, etc to keep the business running. Selling Jaws dirt cheap to every blind user on SSI, in developing countries, etc isn't going to pay all those employees and pay the electric bill do to economic prices. We can treat this has a Robinhood situation where we rob the ritch to support the poor, but never see by robbing the ritch we eventually hurt the poor as well. If you steel income required for upgrades, research, etc the next product release isn't going to be as good as it could have been. Often times we might not even know what was left out do to our piracy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd have to disagree. It's exactly the same thing to me. copyright infringement, copying music, recording tv shows, cracking software. We shouldn't do that, yet we continue doing it every day. Something else I just thought of is movies. movies with descriptive tracks are very hard to obtain in the US, but there are plenty in the UK. so do we share them, or do we simply deny ourselves the pleasure of watching it? a sighted user can walk into a store and pick up the movie, but we can't get the same movie with audio description. so is it wrong to obtain the movie through other means? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Yohandy, Yes, and that is one of those huge gray areas that might or might not have a right answer. Truth be told it is probably impossible for a game developer not to steel someone elses idea, or do some copyright infringement. Take Jim Kitchen's games. Monopoly, NFL, Yatzi, etc. All of those things are copyrighted, but do to the limited market, the fact they are free, etc I don't seriously see someone like Hazbro Toys or the NFL suing him for copyright infringement. It would cost them more to take the case to court than Jim is harming them. Though I think we are now comparing apples and oranges. Using a copyright is different than cracking and steeling someones software or music. Yohandy wrote: Tom, Weren't you considering releasing a game and claim it as your own, while at the same time releasing a sound pack so that people can modify it? wouldn't that be copyright infringement, and isn't that theft? I'm not accusing you, heck everyone on this list would love you for that *grin*, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for most people to take the 100% legal way. Aren't huge companies like Microsoft sued for infringing copyrights all the time? How about record labels? they've too been sued. some accessible games we have contain copyrighted sounds. None of the games I have are illegally obtained, but truth of the matter is if we were to obtain everything we wanted 100% legally, we'd need a large supply of cash and unfortunately that's something many blind and visually impaired individuals lack. Just thought I'd jump into the discussion since the entire list has *grin*. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Nicol, Quote Isn't south American countries part of the united states? End quote No. South America is a completely different continent. By South American countries I am talking of places like Columbia, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, etc. They are completely separate countries which have nothing to do with the USA. A lot of South American countries like Honduras is very very poor which makes buying such things as computers, screen readers, and accessible games far out of the reach of the average person in those countries. It is both a social as well as economic problem as the cost of living is so much different. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Darren, Quote If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. End quote I say, yo ho. yo ho. A pirates life for me. We pillage, plunder, and loot. Drink up... Now, I will join Captain Jack Sparrow as we plunder and loot the internet seas of software, music, and movies. Ain't that right? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If companies like fs they halve their prices, their sales would tripple I think. That probably means more tech support and other things too lol. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Ari, I totally understand where those people are coming from in the cases below, and I can sympathize with their situation. Unfortunately, that isn't the fault of the company that produced the product in question. It is the fault of society in general, and the economic status of the developing country where the person resides. For example, I have been told a couple times that Montezuma's Return is quite expensive in some South American countries, and have been asked if I could lower the price for them. Well, the problem is I live in the United States and I need to charge an amount of money suited for the econemy where I live. If I cut the price in half to lower the payment for that person's econemy then I am losing money and am unable to sustain a quality of income necessary for my own country's econemy. There isn't a good answer for this kind of catch 22 situation. With a company such as FS the reason the software is so high is they have several programmers and tech support personelle making around $6 a year last I checked. In order to pay all those programmers, tech support people, and sales reps the software has to make enough in order to pay all those employees and cover things like computer upgrades, software upgrades, etc to keep the business running. Selling Jaws dirt cheap to every blind user on SSI, in developing countries, etc isn't going to pay all those employees and pay the electric bill do to economic prices. We can treat this has a Robinhood situation where we rob the ritch to support the poor, but never see by robbing the ritch we eventually hurt the poor as well. If you steel income required for upgrades, research, etc the next product release isn't going to be as good as it could have been. Often times we might not even know what was left out do to our piracy. ari wrote: No, there are instances that I have seen where for the case of humanity, I am looking at it from the perspective of the developing world where money is scarce, and, let us say, before NVDA and free screen readers, there were, let's call them needs, and there were questions of refused funding for such programs while a fellow blind comrade's livlihood was in peril because if he didn't have such software he couldn't get a job he needed to support his family, even though he was willing to work, some people were unable or unwilling to help out. I'm being cryptic, but I can still defend piracy. There are also instances of persons living in countries under US sanctions who, a certain blind person wanted to become a teacher, and, because he was not allowed to import screen reading programs, well, provisions had to be made. I know that this is technically piracy, but I regard this as delicate shades of grey where I would allow human discretion. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like it!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 06 February 2008 20:19 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Darren, Quote If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. End quote I say, yo ho. yo ho. A pirates life for me. We pillage, plunder, and loot. Drink up... Now, I will join Captain Jack Sparrow as we plunder and loot the internet seas of software, music, and movies. Ain't that right? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 20:57 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi thomas, Will your screen reader have video intercept and be able to be translated into other languages? and what software speech will it use? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi, Well, it is true that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc do cost quite a bit of cash, but there are now free and low cost alternatives in the works. NVDA is totally free, and is good enough for most day to day use. My Universal Screen Access software doesn't currently have a price, but I think it will be a good solution for those needing a low cost screen reader for Windows. shaun everiss wrote: Although I don't pirate jaws and stuff yeah reader companies do charge loads. Jaws is supposed to be now charged with tax now to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Yohandy, Hmmm... it is really a tough choice. If we are going to try and be 100% legal then that means we have to buy copyrights, pay for all music, descriptive vidios, audio books, etc. As a result the quality of life for the average blind person will go down in quality since we would have to give up things like Jim Kitchen's Monopoly, for example, since he didn't license it with Hazbro. We would have to give up free downloads of pirated audio books, dvd movies, etc. I think that is an unrealistic expectation. Assuming every game developer was forced to toe that line, acquire copyrights, etc there would be a lot of games that simply would not exist in accessible format. There would be no Trek 2000, no Shades of Doom, no Packman Talks, no Monopoly, No Yatzi, no NFL, no STFC, no Montezuma's Return, no Sarah, no Bopit, and so on. You see my point. Those games would sease to exist because no blind dev could afford to write them. Especially the free games like Bopit, Monopoly, and Jim's Football. That is unrealistic, and is never going to happen. As for your point about descriptive movies and shows that is a clear example of where the law and reality are in clear conflict with each other. I'd have no problem paying for descriptive movies as long as they are priced the same as normal dvd movies, and they were available. However, sometimes the one and only way to get it is through downloading it from others passing them around who have it. Is there an easy solution for that? I don't know, but it is really frustrating. Yohandy wrote: I'd have to disagree. It's exactly the same thing to me. copyright infringement, copying music, recording tv shows, cracking software. We shouldn't do that, yet we continue doing it every day. Something else I just thought of is movies. movies with descriptive tracks are very hard to obtain in the US, but there are plenty in the UK. so do we share them, or do we simply deny ourselves the pleasure of watching it? a sighted user can walk into a store and pick up the movie, but we can't get the same movie with audio description. so is it wrong to obtain the movie through other means? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi everyone, I hate to be a bad apple, but can we sort of get back to talking about games? I am deleting a lot of emails with this topic, and it is starting to cludder my email... not trying to be a pain, but just please can we get back to game topics? thank you. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Nicol, Quote Isn't south American countries part of the united states? End quote No. South America is a completely different continent. By South American countries I am talking of places like Columbia, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, etc. They are completely separate countries which have nothing to do with the USA. A lot of South American countries like Honduras is very very poor which makes buying such things as computers, screen readers, and accessible games far out of the reach of the average person in those countries. It is both a social as well as economic problem as the cost of living is so much different. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah everyone has or does mp3s. Even my friends and family do mp3s. I still buy the ocational cd but I mostly get a track or so off the network. Saying that I do have lagit mp3s and stuff to. And depending where you go to places like magnitune.com well you can get things for cheap or free if you have a podcast. At 04:55 a.m. 7/02/2008, you wrote: A pirate is a pirate whether it's software or music. Anybody who uses torrant sites. Or other places like rapidshare. Anything like that is piracy. Funny though how everybody cries fowl when it's software though and not when it comes to music. We all do it. I dare say everybody on this list does it. But how many will admit to it especially when they are quick to judge others for copying software? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of josh Sent: 06 February 2008 15:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I guess then I shouldn't have recorded tv shows and coppied cassettes for people when I was a teenager because that is or was piracy also? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Shaun, Your opinion is exactly the kind of double standard I was talking about a day or two ago. It is very hypocritical, and comes back to my point we lie best when we lie to ourselves. On one hand you say pirating software is wrong, but on the other you say pirating music is O.K. Did it ever occur to you steeling is steeling no matter what it is you steel? shaun everiss wrote: yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 20:57 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and linux I hope. If nvda could read all the programs I'd gladly switch. And if your reader is as good as jaws that would really rock. I have been putting off the upgrade to vista for mostly that reason. Its going to cost a load just to get the computers upgraded, well a small load for the main box, a small bit for the laptop and a small bit for the other desktop, there is already 5 grand. Not counting the os and such so for argument sake lets say 6. Now at this point paying more to upgrade readers say another 3 grand or 5 grand is really pushing it. On top of that my scanner and digital recorder are not exactly vista material. At 05:47 a.m. 7/02/2008, you wrote: Hi, Well, it is true that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, etc do cost quite a bit of cash, but there are now free and low cost alternatives in the works. NVDA is totally free, and is good enough for most day to day use. My Universal Screen Access software doesn't currently have a price, but I think it will be a good solution for those needing a low cost screen reader for Windows. shaun everiss wrote: Although I don't pirate jaws and stuff yeah reader companies do charge loads. Jaws is supposed to be now charged with tax now to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, one of these things came up when I first got online. I found and purchaced a program to addremove things that was quite cheap, and a bit later I found a free one. So although the second prog was lower cost the second was cheap it was free. However The first had a better interface and what is 8 us bucks anyway. At 04:46 a.m. 7/02/2008, you wrote: Hi TJ and James, I think you missed the obvious. If you don't like the developers price for a product, and you don't think the product is worth the price, don't buy it. Even if the product is a simple game like Beep and it costs $30 that is not an excuse to crack it. A wise person once told me, if you can't afford it you probably don't need it. You will always find something else to do the job. For example, I know I will never have the money to buy a brand new Porsche 911. However, that doesn't mean my wife and I have to do without a car. We are currently buying a used 1991 Toyoda in fairly good condition. It isn't as nice as the Porsche, but it still gets us where we want to go for a fraction of the price. Tj wrote: James is correct. But it's a bit deeper than that. My thing is, that's wrong on the producer's end too. To put 3 minutes into coding something to sell for like 30 dollars. If we can do that, why don't I write out the score of the superbowl and sell it for 20 bucks. - Original Message - From: James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I think he was refering to the fact that selling the game Beep for any price, no matter how low, with be a completely stupid move, as all you do is hit the space bar for 5 minutes, then its over! Just my thoughts. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd be happy if I could subscribe to discriptive tracks. But even though people pushed for that it never happened. At 09:53 a.m. 7/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Yohandy, Hmmm... it is really a tough choice. If we are going to try and be 100% legal then that means we have to buy copyrights, pay for all music, descriptive vidios, audio books, etc. As a result the quality of life for the average blind person will go down in quality since we would have to give up things like Jim Kitchen's Monopoly, for example, since he didn't license it with Hazbro. We would have to give up free downloads of pirated audio books, dvd movies, etc. I think that is an unrealistic expectation. Assuming every game developer was forced to toe that line, acquire copyrights, etc there would be a lot of games that simply would not exist in accessible format. There would be no Trek 2000, no Shades of Doom, no Packman Talks, no Monopoly, No Yatzi, no NFL, no STFC, no Montezuma's Return, no Sarah, no Bopit, and so on. You see my point. Those games would sease to exist because no blind dev could afford to write them. Especially the free games like Bopit, Monopoly, and Jim's Football. That is unrealistic, and is never going to happen. As for your point about descriptive movies and shows that is a clear example of where the law and reality are in clear conflict with each other. I'd have no problem paying for descriptive movies as long as they are priced the same as normal dvd movies, and they were available. However, sometimes the one and only way to get it is through downloading it from others passing them around who have it. Is there an easy solution for that? I don't know, but it is really frustrating. Yohandy wrote: I'd have to disagree. It's exactly the same thing to me. copyright infringement, copying music, recording tv shows, cracking software. We shouldn't do that, yet we continue doing it every day. Something else I just thought of is movies. movies with descriptive tracks are very hard to obtain in the US, but there are plenty in the UK. so do we share them, or do we simply deny ourselves the pleasure of watching it? a sighted user can walk into a store and pick up the movie, but we can't get the same movie with audio description. so is it wrong to obtain the movie through other means? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And I can see why they may do it. At 03:40 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: I know. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is a website where customers can pay professional crackers to crack software, or so I've been told. It drives me crackers. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi, I don't have a pay pal acount iether, but but but: 1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this cost)? Its really hard for me as I don't own a credit card, and well, I guess I could ask my mom to use hers and I'd pay her back, but this is straying out of the topic. 2. I do not feel that people should be cracking games just because they don't have a pay pal acount. As leom just said, he put his time into making this game enjoyable for everyone, so why do people need to crack it? I guess that's simple. Because there is no other way to get the payed version for some people, although that's no reason to crack it. If you can't buy it, if you don't have the funds, don't try out the demo which in turn might not tempt you to crack it. 3. Sorry if this is off topic, but I just feel the need to say this once. People, if you are going to crack games, then don't bitch about people not making good enough games so you can crack them again. Seriously, what makes you think you can crack games after people such as tom, leom, and a lot others have put time and money into them? I just hate seeing devs get smashed when the person who is smashing them has a crack of there game. That's just, well, completely annoying, and if I was next to them...well you get the picture. Sorry for the bad language btw. This is just really honestly bugging me half to death and I will never put cracks of games on my ftp. People that do, well, I feel sorry for you. Also for people who crack these great games even when there's such a small audience to support them to begin with. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Tourin 64 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM HDD - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED
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yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. At 04:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Damien, Exactly. That was one of the points I was trying to get at. I am willing to bet most of us have copied a music cd, recorded a music tape, etc and gave it to a friend not thinking much about it. Well, I use to feel that way about cracking software.I was very idealistic, and sort of believed we should just share everything and not pay for it. Which happens to be a grand but unrealistic outlook on life. Damien Sadler wrote: Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is to do something. I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, cracking software's the new way. But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get interested. I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and prity much all the games here on are purchaced ones. The rest, well its very small. I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly for me to listen to I don't share it much at all. And audiobooks. I do have lagit mp3s too. At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is to do something. I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, cracking software's the new way. But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back
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right on the nail tom as always. At 03:51 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Charles, Well, the answer to your question is simple. Humans lie best when we lie to ourselves. We are masters of making up double standards such as software cracking is wrong until it is inconvenient for me. Charles Rivard wrote: You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s. At 04:41 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Charles, I am glad you liked my message. It is one of those insights that comes with age and maturity. You know how teenagers are? Well, as a teenager I was your typical teen who thought he knew everything about everything. I was the perfect Marxist though I didn't know it at the time. Let's get rid of commercial software and make it free, why don't we share everything instead of charging for it, why don't we git rid of this or that law, etc. Well, as I got older I realized how unrealistic all those foolish ideas were, and that communism is doomed to fail, because there is no desire to work for something better, no desire to achieve a goal, no effort in earning your rewards. It is in achieving those rewards for good work that makes us feel successful, appreciative of what we have, and to do better. Charles Rivard wrote: Thanks for the interesting insite. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why do you need to format once a month. You don't have to do that unless something is failing. Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced. or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org. You don't need to reformat once a month. I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should allow you to keep your id. At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I really bought the game. On 2/5/08, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he just forgot the don't. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I never found the bonus round so I don't know what that is. At 03:54 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: I think it restricts the bonus round. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is. At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Liam, I know how much work goes into making games. And I know that there is even more if you are trying to sell them, have on line play or score boards. Truthfully I have never bought an accessible game. However I have never ever cracked or run a cracked one either. I do have a few of the free bees and demos that are fun like Bobby's Revenge. That's just good fun around the holidays. grin But anyway, I mostly just make any game that I want to play. Since I don't charge for my games I have never been mad about cracking my games of course. Have been mad though when people have totally modded them so that they were no longer the game that I worked so hard to create. BFN Jim There is no such thing as an I Pod E. Bart Simpson on blackboard. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't download music illegally. All the music I have on my computers, audio players, ETC is music which I've riped from my own cds which I've purchased? Am I guilty of copying music in the past? Sure I am, I would be lying if I said I've never copied music, dvd movies, etc, but like Tom, I've seen the truth that steeling is steeling, whether it's music, movies, games, software, or physical things from a store. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make you or anyone else forced to feel the way i do, I just want to point out that when someone says that pirating software is not the same as music, they are obviously convincing themselves and they are wrong with that. But that is just my opinion, and like certain body orifices, everyone has one. shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:25 AM: I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get interested. I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and prity much all the games here on are purchaced ones. The rest, well its very small. I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly for me to listen to I don't share it much at all. And audiobooks. I do have lagit mp3s too. At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is to do something. I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, cracking software's the new way. But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
Regardless of whether you format once per week or once per year, you should not have cracked software. If it means asking for extra codes, that is what you do. Some companies like BSC Games has a 4 limit per year code replacement, but again, any typical person does not format more than once every six months. If you do, it's usually because you are running a test machine or doing something you are not supposed to in the first place. Also, I've seen game keys with your name being passed around. If you want to call that accusing, then so be it. So, I recommend you fess up and stop, or you may find yourself getting reported to people who just may be able to do something about it. oriol gómez said the following on 2/5/2008 1:22 AM: Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I really bought the game. On 2/5/08, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he just forgot the don't. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you say you pirate music. What's the difference? Amazing hypocrisy. shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM: well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software. I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever month as well if not more. So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key and have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something. So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required activation at the moment. I got 4 games that need activation and right now they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being formatted all the t ime from beta testing. Matter of Fact, I just got a new laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there and activate them there. Also if you format your computer a lot, might want to consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore without having to lose safed info and stuff. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:39 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Why do you need to format once a month. You don't have to do that unless something is failing. Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced. or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org. You don't need to reformat once a month. I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should allow you to keep your id. At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I really bought the game. On 2/5/08, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he just forgot the don't. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
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If you format that much. Then either you got major issues with the box and hardware or just need computer lessons. At 01:22 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote: Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I really bought the game. On 2/5/08, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he just forgot the don't. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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books are my main problem. I can't scan every book I want to read, so I download it from a site. Yeah, there are some electronic books, but it is pot luck if you'll get it in a format that your screen reader will read. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get interested. I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and prity much all the games here on are purchaced ones. The rest, well its very small. I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly for me to listen to I don't share it much at all. And audiobooks. I do have lagit mp3s too. At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is to do something. I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, cracking software's the new way. But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc
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It's been a while but I believe I'll step into the dirt this time around. I'm certainly guilty of mp3 piracy in the past. I used to hate buying an album and then discovering that out of thirteen or sixteen songs, there was maybe four or five that I actually enjoyed if I was very lucky. I used to deeply resent that. I found it all too easy to rationalise grabbing a song here or there that I actually wanted. With software, there's too much of a stretch for me to ever make that kind of compromise with morality. If I enjoy using a program, I'll either enjoy it enough to buy it or simply do without it. It's that cut and dried. You're purchasing one thing that presumeably does what you want or need it to do. There's no slippery slope there. It's just a moral cliff to either jump off or not. Personally, I much prefer the higher ground. If, for some reason, I need technical support or a replacement key, I know I'm entitled to good customer care. On the music front, I've finally had the good luck to have found: www.mp3fiesta.com It sells mp3s very cheaply so that buying an album is something like two dollars US and individual tracks are around ten cents. Downloading the mp3s is as easy as downloading a regular file and I don't have to worry about them only working on one machine or anything like that. It's about as reasonable as humanly possible and I know I'm supporting the artists. Any way you slice it, piracy is wrong. I'm not certain there's all that much to understand about why people do it. On the face of it, piracy doesn't seem wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time seeing the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become as pervasive as it has particularly with music. In the accessible games industry, we'll feel the effects of piracy far more keenly as developers either go out of business or make their security more restrictive to the point where it starts to deny legitimate customers the ownership rights they ought to have. That process has already started with these activation keys which tie a game to a certain machine. I just had to get another code for Pipe2 so I could have it on my new desktop. If and when I'm able to get the funds to upgrade Jaws and go to a Vista machine, I'll have to do that all over again. If people keep passing around keys and cracks, I just hope developers keep their legal customers foremost. Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.blindspots.net - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you say you pirate music. What's the difference? Amazing hypocrisy. shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM: well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't agree. With music and software, if you copy it, you steal money from the person who put in a lot of effort, time and money to produce it. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another. At 04:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Damien, Exactly. That was one of the points I was trying to get at. I am willing to bet most of us have copied a music cd, recorded a music tape, etc and gave it to a friend not thinking much about it. Well, I use to feel that way about cracking software.I was very idealistic, and sort of believed we should just share everything and not pay for it. Which happens to be a grand but unrealistic outlook on life. Damien Sadler wrote: Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is to do something. I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, cracking software's the new way. But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes. My home pc's harddrive broke, after I had to repare windows 3 times in 6 months, so I'm waiting a few days to see if the system is stable before requesting keys. Bottom line, I hate the feeling requesting a key after I already asked for 2 keys before that, so I end up not playing a game. Sarah and the gma games are examples. - Original Message - From: Kuvvosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software. I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever month as well if not more. So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key and have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something. So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required activation at the moment. I got 4 games that need activation and right now they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being formatted all the t ime from beta testing. Matter of Fact, I just got a new laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there and activate them there. Also if you format your computer a lot, might want to consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore without having to lose safed info and stuff. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:39 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Why do you need to format once a month. You don't have to do that unless something is failing. Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced. or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org. You don't need to reformat once a month. I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should allow you to keep your id. At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I really bought the game. On 2/5/08, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he just forgot the don't. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
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Well said, Thomas! -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my bad old cracking days. Hope this helps. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Indeed it does. -- From: Damien Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:54 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I think it restricts the bonus round. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is. At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ok guys, I didn't write why i have a jd crack so you guys could pick on me, i only wrote that because liam asked us why we are doing it. m On 2/5/08, James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed it does. -- From: Damien Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:54 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I think it restricts the bonus round. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is. At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have
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James is correct. But it's a bit deeper than that. My thing is, that's wrong on the producer's end too. To put 3 minutes into coding something to sell for like 30 dollars. If we can do that, why don't I write out the score of the superbowl and sell it for 20 bucks. - Original Message - From: James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I think he was refering to the fact that selling the game Beep for any price, no matter how low, with be a completely stupid move, as all you do is hit the space bar for 5 minutes, then its over! Just my thoughts. -- From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Given what Thomas says, to me the piracy question is relative, in some cases and for some products, I have seen cases where I would justify piracy, but, in this case, I think it's awful. We must remember that Liam is not some multi-million-dollar company, and I also don't think he's charging huge price for his game. I mean, take the other fact that he also bothers giving us support and helping out as well, it's really not nice that keys for his games are being circulated. I do agree though that I hate the whole thing with a game where you format the computer, but are people responsible enough that if you don't put security measures on they won't pirate? Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Who knows, you might get some poor guy who'll pay you for that, grin! Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sense you do that a little tool might help you a lot in time and effort. a removable drive bay. You can put your main drive in it and put what ever you want on it. When you want to test. Just pull it out and put in another drive with the op and off testing. that way your drive with personal stuff stays good and your test drive crash as much as needed without you losing a thing. At 08:35 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote: Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software. I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever month as well if not more. So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key and have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something. So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required activation at the moment. I got 4 games that need activation and right now they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being formatted all the t ime from beta testing. Matter of Fact, I just got a new laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there and activate them there. Also if you format your computer a lot, might want to consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore without having to lose safed info and stuff. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:39 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Why do you need to format once a month. You don't have to do that unless something is failing. Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced. or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org. You don't need to reformat once a month. I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should allow you to keep your id. At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I really bought the game. On 2/5/08, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he just forgot the don't. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So, yeah. Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply it. Email me offlist though. On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote: Well said, Thomas! -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my bad old cracking days. Hope this helps. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
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james. let me make a suggestion. if people discuss this, you might want to be more proactive in takign care of this. it will give you a bad name, and I don't want to see anyone get a bad name especially if they didn't do it on purpose. - Original Message - From: James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Come on now, that's just unfare, I created a list for software downloads because a lot of people asked me too, and as is stated in the guidelines of my list, if people share pirated software, that's their own doing, not mine! I do not agree with software piracy, especially game pirating. I love audio games, so why would I use pirated copies of them? -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So, yeah. Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply it. Email me offlist though. On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote: Well said, Thomas! -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I
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shrugs. I didn't want to bring that up onlist, bu tthat's sort of where I found out about it. indirectly from about 3 people who were less than pleased that this was going on. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So, yeah. Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply it. Email me offlist though. On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote: Well said, Thomas! -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my bad old cracking days. Hope this helps. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your
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I can't think of any instance where stealing, oops, I mean, pirating, is justified. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Given what Thomas says, to me the piracy question is relative, in some cases and for some products, I have seen cases where I would justify piracy, but, in this case, I think it's awful. We must remember that Liam is not some multi-million-dollar company, and I also don't think he's charging huge price for his game. I mean, take the other fact that he also bothers giving us support and helping out as well, it's really not nice that keys for his games are being circulated. I do agree though that I hate the whole thing with a game where you format the computer, but are people responsible enough that if you don't put security measures on they won't pirate? Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Come on now, that's just unfare, I created a list for software downloads because a lot of people asked me too, and as is stated in the guidelines of my list, if people share pirated software, that's their own doing, not mine! I do not agree with software piracy, especially game pirating. I love audio games, so why would I use pirated copies of them? -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So, yeah. Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply it. Email me offlist though. On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote: Well said, Thomas! -- From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my bad old cracking days. Hope this helps. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
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Well said. - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day It's been a while but I believe I'll step into the dirt this time around. I'm certainly guilty of mp3 piracy in the past. I used to hate buying an album and then discovering that out of thirteen or sixteen songs, there was maybe four or five that I actually enjoyed if I was very lucky. I used to deeply resent that. I found it all too easy to rationalise grabbing a song here or there that I actually wanted. With software, there's too much of a stretch for me to ever make that kind of compromise with morality. If I enjoy using a program, I'll either enjoy it enough to buy it or simply do without it. It's that cut and dried. You're purchasing one thing that presumeably does what you want or need it to do. There's no slippery slope there. It's just a moral cliff to either jump off or not. Personally, I much prefer the higher ground. If, for some reason, I need technical support or a replacement key, I know I'm entitled to good customer care. On the music front, I've finally had the good luck to have found: www.mp3fiesta.com It sells mp3s very cheaply so that buying an album is something like two dollars US and individual tracks are around ten cents. Downloading the mp3s is as easy as downloading a regular file and I don't have to worry about them only working on one machine or anything like that. It's about as reasonable as humanly possible and I know I'm supporting the artists. Any way you slice it, piracy is wrong. I'm not certain there's all that much to understand about why people do it. On the face of it, piracy doesn't seem wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time seeing the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become as pervasive as it has particularly with music. In the accessible games industry, we'll feel the effects of piracy far more keenly as developers either go out of business or make their security more restrictive to the point where it starts to deny legitimate customers the ownership rights they ought to have. That process has already started with these activation keys which tie a game to a certain machine. I just had to get another code for Pipe2 so I could have it on my new desktop. If and when I'm able to get the funds to upgrade Jaws and go to a Vista machine, I'll have to do that all over again. If people keep passing around keys and cracks, I just hope developers keep their legal customers foremost. Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.blindspots.net - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you say you pirate music. What's the difference? Amazing hypocrisy. shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM: well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here's my take on the subject. If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software I don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then again if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or gw micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can. Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support that goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the guarantee that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're going to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same thing for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At least GW Micro lets you buy Window-Eyes on time. FS doesn't let you do that for JAWS. But tell me this. What if you need techncal support for that screen reader you pirated? As far as i'm concerned it's no different. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Here's my take on the subject. If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software I don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then again if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or gw micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can. Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support that goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the guarantee that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're going to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same thing for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You can also say the same for pirates of JAWS, Window-Eyes, OpenBook, and other such software. You cannot exclude based on the price. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Here's my take on the subject. If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software I don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then again if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or gw micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can. Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support that goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the guarantee that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're going to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same thing for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Like I said. I don't pirate software. Which I already stated. Equally a pirate is a pirate whether you do music or software. 1 is just as bad as the other. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: 05 February 2008 21:46 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day At least GW Micro lets you buy Window-Eyes on time. FS doesn't let you do that for JAWS. But tell me this. What if you need techncal support for that screen reader you pirated? As far as i'm concerned it's no different. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Here's my take on the subject. If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software I don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then again if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or gw micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can. Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support that goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the guarantee that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're going to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same thing for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: 04/02/2008 20:42 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah I know, I think most copy mp3s, though, they are everyware. Even copying a cd is pirating even if its for personal use. I think though it will even itself out once the industry goes digital, its already happening. Its just the industry wasn't ready at the time. At 02:35 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote: This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you say you pirate music. What's the difference? Amazing hypocrisy. shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM: well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I get audio books myself, they cost more in digital format to get. At 03:36 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote: books are my main problem. I can't scan every book I want to read, so I download it from a site. Yeah, there are some electronic books, but it is pot luck if you'll get it in a format that your screen reader will read. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get interested. I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and prity much all the games here on are purchaced ones. The rest, well its very small. I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly for me to listen to I don't share it much at all. And audiobooks. I do have lagit mp3s too. At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is to do something. I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, cracking software's the new way. But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires
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Yeah. And if you need to test stuff requiring a format concider buying a vertual machine software like vmware if your pc can run it right. I tried but I have no use for it. But if your pc can run it then you can test all you want and if your machine gets mangled you can restore a snapshot or just delete the machine and recreate it. The vm does take resources and stuff though. At 03:24 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote: I'd hate to have to deal with reinstalling all my programs once a week. As i say in another post I see no credible reason to format that often. That's just riddiculous. Kinda like defragging once a day. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day If you format that much. Then either you got major issues with the box and hardware or just need computer lessons. At 01:22 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote: Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I really bought the game. On 2/5/08, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he just forgot the don't. If everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions
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Hmm thanks for that site. 2 bucks per album man. At 04:18 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote: It's been a while but I believe I'll step into the dirt this time around. I'm certainly guilty of mp3 piracy in the past. I used to hate buying an album and then discovering that out of thirteen or sixteen songs, there was maybe four or five that I actually enjoyed if I was very lucky. I used to deeply resent that. I found it all too easy to rationalise grabbing a song here or there that I actually wanted. With software, there's too much of a stretch for me to ever make that kind of compromise with morality. If I enjoy using a program, I'll either enjoy it enough to buy it or simply do without it. It's that cut and dried. You're purchasing one thing that presumeably does what you want or need it to do. There's no slippery slope there. It's just a moral cliff to either jump off or not. Personally, I much prefer the higher ground. If, for some reason, I need technical support or a replacement key, I know I'm entitled to good customer care. On the music front, I've finally had the good luck to have found: www.mp3fiesta.com It sells mp3s very cheaply so that buying an album is something like two dollars US and individual tracks are around ten cents. Downloading the mp3s is as easy as downloading a regular file and I don't have to worry about them only working on one machine or anything like that. It's about as reasonable as humanly possible and I know I'm supporting the artists. Any way you slice it, piracy is wrong. I'm not certain there's all that much to understand about why people do it. On the face of it, piracy doesn't seem wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time seeing the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become as pervasive as it has particularly with music. In the accessible games industry, we'll feel the effects of piracy far more keenly as developers either go out of business or make their security more restrictive to the point where it starts to deny legitimate customers the ownership rights they ought to have. That process has already started with these activation keys which tie a game to a certain machine. I just had to get another code for Pipe2 so I could have it on my new desktop. If and when I'm able to get the funds to upgrade Jaws and go to a Vista machine, I'll have to do that all over again. If people keep passing around keys and cracks, I just hope developers keep their legal customers foremost. Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.blindspots.net - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you say you pirate music. What's the difference? Amazing hypocrisy. shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM: well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, in the perfect world we buy software thats good and everyone puts in their share. Ofcause its not, some choose to copy software and at the other end some software companies especially the bigger ones can sell software for high prices thats prety much a pile of dung and not worth it at all. Thats life I guess. At 06:02 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote: Given what Thomas says, to me the piracy question is relative, in some cases and for some products, I have seen cases where I would justify piracy, but, in this case, I think it's awful. We must remember that Liam is not some multi-million-dollar company, and I also don't think he's charging huge price for his game. I mean, take the other fact that he also bothers giving us support and helping out as well, it's really not nice that keys for his games are being circulated. I do agree though that I hate the whole thing with a game where you format the computer, but are people responsible enough that if you don't put security measures on they won't pirate? Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Although I don't pirate jaws and stuff yeah reader companies do charge loads. Jaws is supposed to be now charged with tax now to. At 08:56 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote: Here's my take on the subject. If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software I don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then again if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or gw micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can. Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support that goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the guarantee that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're going to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same thing for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Ryan, As a game developer a thought comes to mind is there any particular reason why you don't have a Paypal.com account? A Paypal.com account is free, can be used world wide, allows direct bank transfers, credit cards, and even electronic checks. It just seams to me saying you cracked a game because you don't have a Paypal.com account is a really lame excuse to crack. I am certain a lot of accessible game developers would be willing to help you purchase their games legally if it means taking one more cracker out of circulation. However, it sounds like from my reading of the situation is Liam was never even asked to help. Instead I am hearing something like, I don't have Paypal, I don't have a credit card, I don't have this or that, so it is ok to crack. Ryan Chou wrote: okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Because they don't have a payment plan, it's OK to pirate?? Baloney. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi, yes but with gw-micro you don't have to pirate because they have a monthly payment plan now. the only one that doesn't is freedom scientific. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Here's my take on the subject. If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software I don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then again if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or gw micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can. Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support that goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the guarantee that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're going to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same thing for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Liam, As you know I'm a massive fan of your games, which is why I bought them legally. TJ is right, but he's missed out a point, which I also think is very nice. You haven't put any time limitations on there. With some of these other guys and time limitations I think it is slightly unfair in some situations, which is why I avoid using it as well if I can. I also like the way you've handled the issue of the game piracy. Instead of getting all worked up about it, you've asked the public their opinion and how you can improve that. I very much like that attitude. Thanks. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Personally, JD and SL are two of my favorite Audio games. I think the demos are easy enough to get the buyer to thi9nk, Yeah. I can do this. Also, they are long enough in my oppinion that you get a flavor for the game, and how it's going to play out. Because of the descussions on list, I am again anctiously waiting replacement keys for my products I've orders so I can attempt to get all my trofies, and beat X1 without getting touched again. Just my two sents and pointless rambling. Tj - Original Message - From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I don't have a pay pal acount iether, but but but: 1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this cost)? Its really hard for me as I don't own a credit card, and well, I guess I could ask my mom to use hers and I'd pay her back, but this is straying out of the topic. 2. I do not feel that people should be cracking games just because they don't have a pay pal acount. As leom just said, he put his time into making this game enjoyable for everyone, so why do people need to crack it? I guess that's simple. Because there is no other way to get the payed version for some people, although that's no reason to crack it. If you can't buy it, if you don't have the funds, don't try out the demo which in turn might not tempt you to crack it. 3. Sorry if this is off topic, but I just feel the need to say this once. People, if you are going to crack games, then don't bitch about people not making good enough games so you can crack them again. Seriously, what makes you think you can crack games after people such as tom, leom, and a lot others have put time and money into them? I just hate seeing devs get smashed when the person who is smashing them has a crack of there game. That's just, well, completely annoying, and if I was next to them...well you get the picture. Sorry for the bad language btw. This is just really honestly bugging me half to death and I will never put cracks of games on my ftp. People that do, well, I feel sorry for you. Also for people who crack these great games even when there's such a small audience to support them to begin with. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Tourin 64 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM HDD - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
Hi, I completely agree with you. You're a person who doesn't have the easy way to crack a piece of software, and you still, still, are willing to attempt a workaround. ANyways, I think were getting a little off topic from Liam's original post. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi, I don't have a pay pal acount iether, but but but: 1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this cost)? Its really hard for me as I don't own a credit card, and well, I guess I could ask my mom to use hers and I'd pay her back, but this is straying out of the topic. 2. I do not feel that people should be cracking games just because they don't have a pay pal acount. As leom just said, he put his time into making this game enjoyable for everyone, so why do people need to crack it? I guess that's simple. Because there is no other way to get the payed version for some people, although that's no reason to crack it. If you can't buy it, if you don't have the funds, don't try out the demo which in turn might not tempt you to crack it. 3. Sorry if this is off topic, but I just feel the need to say this once. People, if you are going to crack games, then don't bitch about people not making good enough games so you can crack them again. Seriously, what makes you think you can crack games after people such as tom, leom, and a lot others have put time and money into them? I just hate seeing devs get smashed when the person who is smashing them has a crack of there game. That's just, well, completely annoying, and if I was next to them...well you get the picture. Sorry for the bad language btw. This is just really honestly bugging me half to death and I will never put cracks of games on my ftp. People that do, well, I feel sorry for you. Also for people who crack these great games even when there's such a small audience to support them to begin with. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Tourin 64 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM HDD - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
You say, and I quote, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam, I personally have found it just fine. I don't understand why people just fork out the money for high quality games. I mean, if it was something like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I hope all game developers see your message and keep it under consideration. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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see and like. believe it or not, I don't hold it against Ryan. I know how frustrating that can be. but I think what a lot of people need to realize and fail to realize is that I'm not an unreasonable person, and those who know me know that they can come to me and explain problems with registering and purchasing. hey. I was ina position once too where I couldn't buy things freely or I didn't have access to paypal. - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've looked at money orders, and righ tnow I have to work out some stuff for accepting them, bu tit's deffinetly something I would consider in future. If it would keep people from cracking games then I'd add it to my list os possibilities, but as of right now.. who can say. I doubt it would make a spot of difference. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi, I don't have a pay pal acount iether, but but but: 1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this cost)? Its really hard for me as I don't own a credit card, and well, I guess I could ask my mom to use hers and I'd pay her back, but this is straying out of the topic. 2. I do not feel that people should be cracking games just because they don't have a pay pal acount. As leom just said, he put his time into making this game enjoyable for everyone, so why do people need to crack it? I guess that's simple. Because there is no other way to get the payed version for some people, although that's no reason to crack it. If you can't buy it, if you don't have the funds, don't try out the demo which in turn might not tempt you to crack it. 3. Sorry if this is off topic, but I just feel the need to say this once. People, if you are going to crack games, then don't bitch about people not making good enough games so you can crack them again. Seriously, what makes you think you can crack games after people such as tom, leom, and a lot others have put time and money into them? I just hate seeing devs get smashed when the person who is smashing them has a crack of there game. That's just, well, completely annoying, and if I was next to them...well you get the picture. Sorry for the bad language btw. This is just really honestly bugging me half to death and I will never put cracks of games on my ftp. People that do, well, I feel sorry for you. Also for people who crack these great games even when there's such a small audience to support them to begin with. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Tourin 64 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM HDD - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
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Crackers should be jailed. Period. Cracking is theft. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi, I don't have a pay pal acount iether, but but but: 1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this cost)? Its really hard for me as I don't own a credit card, and well, I guess I could ask my mom to use hers and I'd pay her back, but this is straying out of the topic. 2. I do not feel that people should be cracking games just because they don't have a pay pal acount. As leom just said, he put his time into making this game enjoyable for everyone, so why do people need to crack it? I guess that's simple. Because there is no other way to get the payed version for some people, although that's no reason to crack it. If you can't buy it, if you don't have the funds, don't try out the demo which in turn might not tempt you to crack it. 3. Sorry if this is off topic, but I just feel the need to say this once. People, if you are going to crack games, then don't bitch about people not making good enough games so you can crack them again. Seriously, what makes you think you can crack games after people such as tom, leom, and a lot others have put time and money into them? I just hate seeing devs get smashed when the person who is smashing them has a crack of there game. That's just, well, completely annoying, and if I was next to them...well you get the picture. Sorry for the bad language btw. This is just really honestly bugging me half to death and I will never put cracks of games on my ftp. People that do, well, I feel sorry for you. Also for people who crack these great games even when there's such a small audience to support them to begin with. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Tourin 64 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM HDD - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL
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Hi, I'll admit that I used to crack audio games about when I first came into the community, probably about a year ago, and I was actually stupid enough to believe, oh free, I'll take it. Then people are like its wrong, and I then learned it was cracking, and devs were trying to make money, so I stopped and removed it.. Also I think using Active Lock is part of the problem :)! Also, I do feel that another method other then credit cards should be used, as about half of this community are kids and don't feel like bothering there parents. Sorry to get a little O/T there guys. Thanks. -Ryan Smith Head of RSG Dev at X-Sight www.rsgames.co.nr SDM 4 awaiting its mini side-scroller. Scoreboards cleared. I am looking for reviews of sdm, so please email off-list and give me an honest review, and be honest. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is a website where customers can pay professional crackers to crack software, or so I've been told. It drives me crackers. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi, I don't have a pay pal acount iether, but but but: 1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this cost)? Its really hard for me as I don't own a credit card, and well, I guess I could ask my mom to use hers and I'd pay her back, but this is straying out of the topic. 2. I do not feel that people should be cracking games just because they don't have a pay pal acount. As leom just said, he put his time into making this game enjoyable for everyone, so why do people need to crack it? I guess that's simple. Because there is no other way to get the payed version for some people, although that's no reason to crack it. If you can't buy it, if you don't have the funds, don't try out the demo which in turn might not tempt you to crack it. 3. Sorry if this is off topic, but I just feel the need to say this once. People, if you are going to crack games, then don't bitch about people not making good enough games so you can crack them again. Seriously, what makes you think you can crack games after people such as tom, leom, and a lot others have put time and money into them? I just hate seeing devs get smashed when the person who is smashing them has a crack of there game. That's just, well, completely annoying, and if I was next to them...well you get the picture. Sorry for the bad language btw. This is just really honestly bugging me half to death and I will never put cracks of games on my ftp. People that do, well, I feel sorry for you. Also for people who crack these great games even when there's such a small audience to support them to begin with. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Tourin 64 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM HDD - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day okay liam I admit it I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay pal, nothing On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management
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ya know. now that I got my main machien back up, I really should do something with it. I'm not really sure why it's as popular as it is, but I guess I should support it in some capacity. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my bad old cracking days. Hope this helps. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is. At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks for the interesting insite. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Hi Liam and all, I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate. A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude like, why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free? On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd, software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and criminal behavior. On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright from the store someone lost money from my piracy. Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did. Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while that weather I copied software or stole it directly from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a conscience? Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, copying software isn't like armed robbery. In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience. Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love, friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are truly worth while, and can bring true joy. Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my bad old cracking days. Hope this helps. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I aggree, I don't have a credit card and may not have one for some time, i don't use one. My parents get the stuff but this means I can't always have the things I whant when I like. Cheques are not that secure though same with money orders. I think a load of us do or should have net banking so maybe some type of direct transfer or transfer to a number. Hi, I'll admit that I used to crack audio games about when I first came into the community, probably about a year ago, and I was actually stupid enough to believe, oh free, I'll take it. Then people are like its wrong, and I then learned it was cracking, and devs were trying to make money, so I stopped and removed it.. Also I think using Active Lock is part of the problem :)! Also, I do feel that another method other then credit cards should be used, as about half of this community are kids and don't feel like bothering there parents. Sorry to get a little O/T there guys. Thanks. -Ryan Smith Head of RSG Dev at X-Sight www.rsgames.co.nr SDM 4 awaiting its mini side-scroller. Scoreboards cleared. I am looking for reviews of sdm, so please email off-list and give me an honest review, and be honest. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
Yeah. I really liked SuperShot. Just a shame I found it just before you stopped supporting it before we got to know each other. There's loads of different ways to expand on it. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day ya know. now that I got my main machien back up, I really should do something with it. I'm not really sure why it's as popular as it is, but I guess I should support it in some capacity. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun and all, I don't know if you are aware of this but you can do direct bank transfers and electronic checks with paypal.com as well as credit card payments. Even if you don't have a credit card you can pay directly from your checking account. There should be no reason to crack software do to the lack of a credit card. All you need for USA Games titles is a checking account, and optionally a standard paypal.com account. shaun everiss wrote: I aggree, I don't have a credit card and may not have one for some time, i don't use one. My parents get the stuff but this means I can't always have the things I want when I like. Cheques are not that secure though same with money orders. I think a load of us do or should have net banking so maybe some type of direct transfer or transfer to a number. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Damien, Exactly. That was one of the points I was trying to get at. I am willing to bet most of us have copied a music cd, recorded a music tape, etc and gave it to a friend not thinking much about it. Well, I use to feel that way about cracking software.I was very idealistic, and sort of believed we should just share everything and not pay for it. Which happens to be a grand but unrealistic outlook on life. Damien Sadler wrote: Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is to do something. I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, cracking software's the new way. But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems. Regards, Damien --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
I think it restricts the bonus round. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is. At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote: Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're not supporting it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I can't vuy it. I can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have the setup file for it. So, what is there to do. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote: It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products. This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is bad. Ya. It's bad. We all know that. My big question is. why do people feel th eneed to do it? I mean. is there a problem with the demo? Is it too short? Or are some people just big jerks. I'm not going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of not only asking for, but supplying this information. I don't want this to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause thomas raul and kevin headakes. I just want to know why people feel the need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time writing. for those who don't know me. It's pretty much just me who program everything. You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual impairments. I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard work for free. If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've pirated a game and want to admit it, I won't hold anything against you. all I want you to do is to tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be held. thanks: Liam --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
