Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > >> Just to make sure that my argument is clearly stated let me make two points >> very, very explicitly: >>1. I would expect the folks

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: >> ...The vote on this proposal is explicitly not tied to contact being >> made to everyone for inclusion

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...All the above info can be added to the proposal, if this is desirable,.. I don't think that's needed, your explanations here are now recorded in the archives of this public list, that's good enough

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

+1 I assume we will have a 'contribute' section on the official site which explains this and also educate people to please mention their previous contributions on their first contact on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists. That way we can easily pick up people with merit that predates the ASF

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 26/09/16 à 22:49, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit : > Thankl of the below has been done. > > Some more are being added. However at this point the more we add the more > insulting to those we omit. We've done our best. The list is strong. None > will commit nothing, all have a history of years being

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Just to make sure that my argument is clearly stated let me make two points > very, very explicitly: >1. I would expect the folks bringing NetBeans to ASF Incubator to have > had > spent reasonable amount of time trying to

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Thankl of the below has been done. Some more are being added. However at this point the more we add the more insulting to those we omit. We've done our best. The list is strong. None will commit nothing, all have a history of years being active in one way or another in the NetBeans community. Gj

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 26/09/16 à 07:32, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit : > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > >> But if you are thinking 100 people, I'd try to get it down to 40-ish. > > Seems like a very random number. In the case of NetBeans, that would mean > we'd have few others on the list than

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Yup, done -- what will you be working on in Apache NetBeans? Based on the books and documentation you've written, I imagine something along those lines, while you're also a Java EE expert, so I could see you contributing in different ways there too, as well as being a JCP expert group member. A

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi GJ, due to technical problems I missed one day of the discussion. I'm going to catch up. If possible, please add to to the initial commiters. Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller Brühl, Germany blog.mueller-bruehl.de it-rezension.de

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > ...It looks to me we are ready for voting on this proposal, as soon as the > infra assessment and discussion around it has been settled as well I agree with that, and now that the infra estimation is in (in another thread on

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...The vote on this proposal is explicitly not tied to contact being > made to everyone for inclusion on the initial contributors list... I agree with that, I guess what Roman would like to see is

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > From my point of view, voting on the proposal should not happen until > this > > has been done, working on it now, approaching people to ask them to be > > added to the list, and will be writing mails to NetBeans mailing lists. > >

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > But if you are thinking 100 people, I'd try to get it down to 40-ish. Seems like a very random number. In the case of NetBeans, that would mean we'd have few others on the list than those from Oracle, which is not what we want -- instead, we

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

IMO, the only things to consider for the initial committers list are: If you leave someone off the list: - it takes bit longer to get their next commit into the repo. - that person may be have hurt feelings as to why some other person is on the list. (so don't leave off the person who can quickly

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > >> Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the >> community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes -

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 25/09/16 à 05:22, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit : > It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases > contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list. And this is the reason you have mentors and a champion. Follow their advices, you'll be fine (because if

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sep 24, 2016 9:51 AM, "Emilian Bold" wrote: > > Which brings us to another question: > > If the commits just referenced a bugzilla ticket, do we also like to > > migrate the bugzilla content over? > > Or at least keep it browsable somewhere? > > > > I would want to keep

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi Geertjan, You have already noticed that at Apache we don’t all speak with one voice. Even those who have literally been here for years may appear to disagree on the details, while I expect most agree on the broad strokes. Kudos for taking all the advice and proposing a plan to move this

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 2016-09-25 17:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: and not all committers are required to commit :-) That is interesting. Can you explain more about that? What I meant to say is that at the ASF we also value and honour merit based on things

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:32 PM, John Ament said: So the concern I raised to Geertjan was that he had committers > listed who had never committed to Netbeans previously, but was excluding > people who used to commit to Netbeans. For the record, no one was being excluded. The original approach

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > I am not opposed to Geertjan/NetBeans team refining the current list, > but please don't delay the incubation vote by doing so. Absolutely agree. > And above all please avoid giving the impression that whatever list > you come up

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:25 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > ...when I was a VP of Incubator a few years > ago I had to deal with a formal escalation brought to the ASF level > by somebody who felt unduly left out of that initial list of committers... The way I would deal

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

John, Will try to respond in line. On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:59 AM John McDonnell wrote: > Hi All, > > > I am a netbeans user that has been following this thread since the > proposal was announced and I am a little fascinated with this whole > process, it seems rather

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Geertjan, This is a sound plan. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases > contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list. > > Here's what I propose:

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > and not all committers are required to commit :-) That is interesting. Can you explain more about that? Also, we have done a call for people who want to be added to the initial contributors list and will be adding a few more -- these are all

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 2016-09-25 12:15, Ate Douma wrote: On 2016-09-25 05:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list. Hi GeertJan, I've gone through this whole thread again and IMO there

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 2016-09-25 05:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list. Hi GeertJan, I've gone through this whole thread again and IMO there really isn't so much contradictory

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 25.09.2016 08:59, John McDonnell wrote: [...] I have contributed defect fixes for JClouds in the past, and from what I see on this project is that there's an GitHub repo that allows people to contribute PR's, but theres also a ASF repo, which the contributors actually merge in the PRs from

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi All, I am a netbeans user that has been following this thread since the proposal was announced and I am a little fascinated with this whole process, it seems rather interesting... Although this initial committer list seems to be a sticking point, but from reading this page:

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 24.09.2016 15:10, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare plattform and no IDE. No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds. There are plugins that are listed in

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list. Here's what I propose: 1. We make the initial contributors list as detailed as we can, i.e., I have already started doing this, grouping individual

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

toki wrote on 9/24/16 8:04 PM: > On 22/09/2016 05:18, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >> had a non-trivial amount of commits to then Sun NetBeans between 2002-2008. >> He then drifted away from the >> project but would be interested, potentially, re-engaging. > > Is it possible to create a "master list'

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 22/09/2016 05:18, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > had a non-trivial amount of commits to then Sun NetBeans between 2002-2008. > He then drifted away from the > project but would be interested, potentially, re-engaging. Is it possible to create a "master list' of everybody who has contributed, when

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: > Le 24/09/16 à 01:25, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit : > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > >> Hi Wade, > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler >

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 24/09/16 à 01:25, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit : > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >> Hi Wade, >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler >> wrote: >>> ..I can say as a long time contributor who is not on

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 24/09/16 à 15:18, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit : > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > >> Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the >> community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a >> key point of self-governance is

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

A NetBeans release is produced from the NetBeans Mercurial repository. All the language modules: Java, Javascript, C/C++, etc. you see there after install are Oracle / NetBeans code. The Plugins Portal has some other, 3rd party modules which don't come bundled with the official builds but users

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Michael Müller wrote: > regarding this, I request you ta add me to the initial committers. Done! Added you in the Miscellaneous section in the proposal. What specifically are you planning to contribute? Thanks, Gj On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Michael

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> hg doesn't have the committer/author separation like GIT has, right? :( > I don't believe it does, yet. > In the ASF it's good practice to give credits to the patch contributor in > the commit, e.g. > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5bafa2ba5977ab88c8dfe376c97568 >

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the > community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a > key point of self-governance is responsibly adding new committers. > > In my experience, it's

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare plattform > and no IDE. No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds. There are plugins that are listed in the Plugin Manager by default, these are the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 24.09.2016 05:34, Wade Chandler wrote: [...] I ask these obvious rhetorical questions to get to this point: Would it be feasible for NetBeans to succeed among competing projects with such a stipulation that all hosted or distributed plugins be contributed to Apache or licensed the same?

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Good questions all. Emilian Bold wrote on 9/24/16 5:18 AM: > I assume there is a reason the list is called initial. It doesn't have to > be perfect. Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a key

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> Does Maven only host Apache owned plugins? Nope, don't mix up Apache Maven core with the 'Maven central' which is operated by Sonatype in conjunction with the Apache Maven PMC. It is more clear though with JFrog BinTray which is clearly owned by a company. Maven.central and Bintray both

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

hg doesn't have the committer/author separation like GIT has, right? :( In the ASF it's good practice to give credits to the patch contributor in the commit, e.g. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5bafa2ba5977ab88c8dfe376c9756825d948bce9afd3b69aa693ab96@%3Ccommits.openwebbeans.apache.org%3E

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Phone top posting: I agree plugins are a huge part of NetBeans success; you need them for Gradle support as an example. Sure, you can install them outside the portal, but it is a pain for most. What ever you all are able to do is greatly appreciated; whether now or soon, and whether that is an

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

I assume there is a reason the list is called initial. It doesn't have to be perfect. We should differentiate between a contributor and a committer. A lot more people contributed patches via bugzilla than actually committed them in the Mercurial repository themselves. The reason being it was

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Consider you did contribute 300 important patches to NetBeans over the years. Wouldn't it hurt your feelings that you are not enlisted on the initial committers list? But otoh the initial list of committers is not important for the ASF _if_ the PPMC makes a good job. Because if such a

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

So on one hand the initial commiters list is not something so important and we should realy just be careful about the PPMC then vote more commiters during incubation. On the other hand the initial commiters list is super important. Is there some actual incubation documentation clearing this up?

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Greg, many people on this list are probably unaware that your role changed a couple of days ago... On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > >...there hasn't even been a vote on the proposal at this stage. :-) > > Correct ;-) > > FWIW I've seen an

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, I actually have a question regarding the plugins. Maybe I missed it in the discussion so far, but what will happen with all of those? I mean some are part of the binary download by default. Will they all move to apache license and then be hosted at apache if possible too, or will this

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > I spoke with Geertjan this afternoon. We both happened to be at the same > popular java conference in San Francisco. I did give him some advice on > the current initial contributors list. Basically two notes: > > -

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Wade Chandler > wrote: >> ...I recently contributed some things for Groovy support, and intend to work >> quite a bit on those features... >

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Wade, > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler > wrote: >> ..I can say as a long time contributor who is not on the initial list, I >> understand, think it is fine, and

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> Still, the question remain -- for somebody like that, what would be a >> criteria >> to be added as a committer after the project enters incubation? > > > Let's stop wasting

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 23/09/16 à 15:30, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit : > OK. Before the vote, will work on making the initial contributors list as > complete as possible. > > What is the process for doing that? Do I simply make changes directly in > the proposal? Do I make the changes public here before adding them to

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

OK. Before the vote, will work on making the initial contributors list as complete as possible. What is the process for doing that? Do I simply make changes directly in the proposal? Do I make the changes public here before adding them to the proposal? Do I work directly with the mentors via

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi Bertrand, Responses in line. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:54 PM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Geertjan, > > I won't have time to look at your whole message now, just a few > clarifications as far as committers/PMC is concerned. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:50 AM,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

GJ, regarding this, I request you ta add me to the initial committers. -- Herzliche Grüße, Best regards Michael Müller Twitter: @muellermi Blog: blog.mueller-bruehl.de Web Development with Java and JSF: leanpub.com/jsf Java Lambdas and Parallel Streams: leanpub.com/lambdas Am 23. September

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi Geertjan, I won't have time to look at your whole message now, just a few clarifications as far as committers/PMC is concerned. On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > ...Anyone on the list > will, once the proposal has been voted on and

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi all, Indeed, I now have greater clarity on the initial contributors list thanks to meeting John Ament this afternoon. The initial contributors list is somehow a magic list. Anyone on the list will, once the proposal has been voted on and accepted, automatically be contributors to the Apache

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

I spoke with Geertjan this afternoon. We both happened to be at the same popular java conference in San Francisco. I did give him some advice on the current initial contributors list. Basically two notes: - Add new members based on merit, not because prior to joining they are interested. The

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

I'm very convinced :-) I think the Netbeans proposal is ready for a [VOTE]! On 22 September 2016 at 13:57, Wade Chandler wrote: > >> On Sep 22, 2016, at 08:27, Shane Curcuru wrote: >> >> Jochen Wiedmann wrote on 9/22/16 1:43 AM: >>> On Thu,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Wade Chandler wrote: > ...I recently contributed some things for Groovy support, and intend to work > quite a bit on those features... Anyone who works "quite a bit" on something that adds value to the project and interacts in a

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 08:27, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > Jochen Wiedmann wrote on 9/22/16 1:43 AM: >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Roman Shaposhnik >> wrote: >> >>> Still, the question remain -- for somebody like that, what would be a >>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Jochen Wiedmann wrote on 9/22/16 1:43 AM: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >> Still, the question remain -- for somebody like that, what would be a >> criteria >> to be added as a committer after the project enters incubation? > > Projects

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >...there hasn't even been a vote on the proposal at this stage. :-) Correct ;-) FWIW I've seen an internal draft of Daniel Gruno's infrastructure cost analysis so that's progressing nicely, we should

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > > I think Netbeans has the balance somewhat right - but I would hope > there would be more engagement on their existing lists to more openly > invite anyone who wants to join; or at least make it clear that the > whole of the community

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Agree - but the initial committer list is also an opportunity to show you really mean open development, and that it's not just business as usual with Friends & Family on the list. One of the freedoms a project gains from moving to ASF is (somewhat) relief from institutional political

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi Wade, On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler wrote: > ..I can say as a long time contributor who is not on the initial list, I > understand, think it is fine, and agree that being added once we get into > the actual incubation phase makes sense... Thanks!

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Sep 21, 2016 4:15 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Mark Struberg > wrote: > > ...Please note that during the incubation people need to either show that they > > are eager to engage with the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Still, the question remain -- for somebody like that, what would be a criteria > to be added as a committer after the project enters incubation? Projects decision. -- The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Still, the question remain -- for somebody like that, what would be a > criteria > to be added as a committer after the project enters incubation? Let's stop wasting time -- just provide his name so it can be added to the list, thanks. Geertjan On Thu, Sep 22, 2016

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Mark Struberg > wrote: >> ...Please note that during the incubation people need to either show that >> they >> are eager to engage with the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: > ...Please note that during the incubation people need to either show that they > are eager to engage with the community... Indeed, but for a well established project like NetBeans I suppose the initial

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Please note that during the incubation people need to either show that they are eager to engage with the community. It's not that the Podling PMC (PPMC) randomly invites people just because their name get dropped, but the PPMC holds a VOTE based on their merit [1]. Usually all the initial

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 21/09/16 à 07:37, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit : > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> I've recently had an inquiry from a former Sun employee who >> used to hack on NetBeans way back when: how was the list >> of initial committers determined? Or more importantly, if he

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > I've recently had an inquiry from a former Sun employee who > used to hack on NetBeans way back when: how was the list > of initial committers determined? Or more importantly, if he > wants to be added to that list up-front would that be

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi! I've recently had an inquiry from a former Sun employee who used to hack on NetBeans way back when: how was the list of initial committers determined? Or more importantly, if he wants to be added to that list up-front would that be OK? Thanks, Roman. On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:40 AM,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hello, On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > git clone of the Linus' repo takes 3 minutes. > > The hg clone of netbeans took 5 HOURS! > > Also checking out all the files or swapping branches in the git repo takes > about 45 seconds in GIT, but much

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 19/09/16 à 20:50, cowwoc a écrit : > Mark Struberg-2 wrote >> Linux never was on hg, so the comparison doesn't fit. >> >> To be more clear: I'm not concerned that GIT cannot handle the NetBeans >> repo size. > I actually concerned by this. A client I work for has a large Git repo. I > doubt

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Hi, On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:50 PM, cowwoc wrote: > ...Out of curiosity, is there a reason that Apache projects can't use > Mercurial?... As the ASF doesn't have infinite resources, we have to stop somewhere. Currently svn and Git are supported, and Git is what's

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> > git clone of the Linus' repo takes 3 minutes. > > The hg clone of netbeans took 5 HOURS! > This is surely dependent on the network and the server the git/hg client talks to. > The repo size is 3.6GB. But it contains many binaries which we could > probably strip off. > I really don't like to

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

git clone of the Linus' repo takes 3 minutes. The hg clone of netbeans took 5 HOURS! Also checking out all the files or swapping branches in the git repo takes about 45 seconds in GIT, but much longer in hg. The repo size is 3.6GB. But it contains many binaries which we could probably strip

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Mark Struberg-2 wrote > Linux never was on hg, so the comparison doesn't fit. > > To be more clear: I'm not concerned that GIT cannot handle the NetBeans > repo size. I actually concerned by this. A client I work for has a large Git repo. I doubt its size is anywhere close to the Linux repo,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 9/19/16, 11:12 PM, "Mark Struberg" wrote: >Status update from the import: > >du -hs .git >3.6G > > >Could not import to github due to: > >Delta compression using up to 4 threads. >Komprimiere Objekte: 100% (659268/659268), Fertig. >remote: fatal: pack exceeds

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

gt;> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 13:05 >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal >> >> There is a big difference between Apache OpenOff

RE: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 13:05 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal > > There is a big difference between Apache Op

RE: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

ytes) of text in 60,955 files, in 6,429 folders. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:rbircherapa...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 04:10 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubat

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

(sorry sent the previous msg too early) > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Alex Harui wrote: >> On 9/19/16, 6:16 AM, "Mark Struberg" wrote: >>>...We don't like to loose any IP provenance... Etc, etc. >> Isn't IP provenance reset by the SGA?... I

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > On 9/19/16, 6:16 AM, "Mark Struberg" wrote: >>...We don't like to loose any IPprovenance... Etc, etc. > > Isn't IP provenance reset by the SGA? It was for Adobe Flex. Only a > couple of committers

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

btw, current import status: 230.000 / 303.000 Might probably be finished till tomorrow morning (CEST). LieGrue, strub > On Monday, 19 September 2016, 19:39, Emmanuel Lécharny > wrote: > > Le 19/09/16 à 16:33, Mark Struberg a écrit : >> Linux never was on hg, so the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

Le 19/09/16 à 16:33, Mark Struberg a écrit : > Linux never was on hg, so the comparison doesn't fit. > > To be more clear: I'm not concerned that GIT cannot handle the NetBeans repo > size. > But we cannot guarantee yet that the import from hg to GIT doesn't loose > important information or

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

On 9/19/16, 8:55 AM, "shaposh...@gmail.com on behalf of Roman Shaposhnik" wrote: >On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Mark Struberg > wrote: >>But we don't yet know what is part of the hg repo and what is part of

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:04, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 9/19/16, 6:16 AM, "Mark Struberg" wrote: > > >> We also need to check whether the author and contributor flags are >> properly moved over by the import. We don't like to loose any IP >>

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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: > I tend to agree with Alex' interpretation. Makes two of us. > But we don't yet know what is part of the hg repo and what is part of the > Oracle contribution. > > What would happen if someone e.g. did commit

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

I tend to agree with Alex' interpretation. But we don't yet know what is part of the hg repo and what is part of the Oracle contribution. What would happen if someone e.g. did commit some GPL licensed jar to the repo a few years ago? It's easy to catch such things if they are still in the

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On 9/19/16, 8:13 AM, "Wade Chandler" wrote: >> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:04, Alex Harui >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/19/16, 6:16 AM, "Mark Struberg"

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