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[4]
http://ws.apache.org/axis/java/apiDocs/org/apache/axis/utils/IdentityHashMap.html
[5]
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/apidocs-COLLECTIONS_3_1/org/apache/commons/collections/map/IdentityMap.html
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At 08:42 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 20, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Subsequent to the demand for the TRACE level expressed by a number of
user, there is every reason to believe that a vote will be held on this
topic before log4j 1.3 is released. However
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I just wanted to bring your attention to the fact that there
are only 17 days left for registering at ApacheCon US/2003!
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ApacheCon US 2003, 18-21
colors nicely.
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of it!
Hyper-Early bird registration fee: US$499
After 30 September: US$599
After 20 October: US$799
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Register today at http://www.apachecon.com/
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Nielsen wrote:
+1 But wait until the sessions are available at www.apachecon.com
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Hello everyone,
Apachecon 2003 will take place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA, 16-19
November 2003.
For this event to be the success that it deserves to have, we need to
make an effort to publicize
/03 12:13 PM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I am not mistakem, early-bird registration seems to be already over...
Anyway, I added a link at the top of the jakarta sidebar menu. I am
confident people will find things to improve but you've got to start
somewhere.
This is CVS. We can revert
Here are some OSP rules that might be of interest:
http://www.advogato.org/article/395.html
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At 08:47 AM 5/28/2003 +0100, you wrote:
On 28/5/03 0:26 Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good: http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19500
Hm...
Evil:
http://www.shiftat.com/blog/page/werner/20030527#sun_reaffirms_no_jboss_at
Indeed... Mark Fleury _is_ evil.
He has
At 10:08 AM 5/28/2003 +0200, you wrote:
On 28/05/2003 9:47 Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Going back and looking at the past 5 years, actually, I think that in this
case, the guy from Sun actually has a point (Rudy? Who the hell is he?).
Oddly enough in the J2EE/JBoss saga, I don't see Sun as being the
At 15:41 19.02.2003 -0500, you wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable amount
of time? How else would they be a committer?
From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta gives
out committer-ship like candy. With
Fumagalli
- Ceki Gülcü
- Dmitri Plotnikov
- Phillip Rhodes
To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers:
- James Strachan
- Jason van Zyl
- Ted Husted
- Rod Waldhoff
+1
I'd like to add Mark Womack to the list of candidates.
- Sam Ruby
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while i'm thinking about it, is general or pmc the right place for votes
of this kind?
- robert
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:15 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
At 19:26 13.02.2003 -0500, you wrote:
Charles Burdick wrote:
Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan
I echo Andrew's reservations. The reasons behind the restriction of
LGPLed imports are unclear and apparently undocumented. Such a crucial
matter deserves to be properly documented. If the restriction cannot
be justified, then it should be lifted.
I urge all Apache members and committers to
At 07:21 12.02.2003 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote:
LGPL has special rules for 'link'. What exactly is the concept of a
'link' in Java? If A imports B and A and B are not in the same Java
package (but perhaps share some similar names in the first three
qualifiers) are they in the same 'library' or
At 11:21 29.01.2003 +0100, Dani Estermann wrote:
Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a certain
logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and future
jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit, commons-logging
or even JDK1.4-Logging?
We
This one surely will become a classic:
http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20030109.html
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At 20:27 07.12.2002 +0100, you wrote:
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
You're free to file your complaint to the appropriate department dealing
with those kinds of issues: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Naaah. There's a difference between making a remark here when the
opportunity is there, and starting
At 12:23 09.12.2002 +0100, Steven Noels wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
- things being 'easier' when being a member: of course not, and I hope
that wasn't the impression that I gave
The message I was trying to get across was that the firewall
a.k.a. barrier between members and committers exists
At 07:40 09.12.2002 -0500, James Taylor wrote:
- things being 'easier' when being a member: of course not, and I hope
that wasn't the impression that I gave
The message I was trying to get across was that the firewall
a.k.a. barrier between members and committers exists mostly in
people's
At 16:14 04.12.2002 -0800, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
In the mean time, I believe all Apache projects should treat the Board
member comments quoted above and elsewhere in this thread (and taken out
of much larger discussions) as authoritative direction to ASF committers
that we should use the
At 05:52 05.12.2002 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Would a shut-up-and-think-for-yourself be any better? It seems to me that
you are seeking an explicit sanction for the practice of using the current
license by reference.
Yes, shut-up-and-think-for-yourself would be better assuming
Given that for works published after March 1, 1989 it is not even
necessary to place a copyright notice to benefit from copyright law
protection, I do not see why the long form is absolutely
necessary. Moreover, the next version of the Apache Software License
will specifically allow the short
At 07:54 04.12.2002 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Currently we should use the full version.
There will be a short version of the next 2.0 license that will be equally
protecting from a legal POV, but in the meantime use the full version.
Why? What is wrong with a copyright notice followed by
At 11:06 04.12.2002 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
IANAL and not the one to decide.
IIRC IIUC the board, || board members have said to use the full version
till version 2.0 arrives.
Well, as far as I know, there is no permission to use a reference to
the license although there is no explicit
At 12:13 04.12.2002 +0100, you wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
At 11:06 04.12.2002 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
IANAL and not the one to decide.
IIRC IIUC the board, || board members have said to use the full
version till version 2.0 arrives.
Well, as far as I know, there is no permission
At 07:31 04.12.2002 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote:
Stefan Mainz wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
I do not understand what Roy means by the scope of what was covered
beyond 'this file' Copyright law only protects the expression of an
idea, so I am baffled by what is meant by the scope beyond the file
The Gump setup can be leveraged as a testing lab. I found the fact
that gump runs on machines in different timezones (at least in a
different timezone than mine) very valuable. This small difference has
allowed us to catch a timezone dependent bug which we might
not have caught otherwise.
Runs
At 12:07 08.10.2002 -0700, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the StudioZ.tv website in
PHP4 on OSX. It is a pretty cool webapp that has really transformed things
for us and made my life MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the
events that show
Rob,
Thank you for the Jakarta Newsletter initiative. I am looking forward to
the June issue.
Here is the log4j submission.
This file contains the summary of what has been discussed on the
log4j-dev@ mailing lists. Its monthly contents are sent to the editor
of the Jakarta Newsletter. For
At 23:30 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a
At 10:07 25.05.2002 -0400, you wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The
author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized
enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a million
volunteers if they all
At 18:31 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
* Perhaps a more fruitful topic for us to explore is when to retire
committer status due to inactivity. Pier is one of the few to do this
explicitly. I have done it a bit more implicitly - including submitting
patches to projects that I am officially
Hello,
The log4j developers would like log4j bug report related emails to
also appear on the log4j-dev mailing list. Can this be done?
Sorry for the noise, I am just trying to follow the instructions found
at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/bugs.html:
Pier Fumagalli has set up the Apache
At 09:32 16.05.2002 +0200, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2002, Ceki Gülc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The log4j developers would like log4j bug report related emails to
also appear on the log4j-dev mailing list. Can this be done?
All that needs to be done is changing the default owner
Here is my enthusiastic but non binding +1.
At 14:41 29.04.2002 -0400, you wrote:
Hi,
I would like to propose ObjectRelationalBridge
(http://objectbridge.sourceforge.net/) as a top level subproject of
Jakarta.
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The results of a recent vote show that the log4j community has strong interest
in the donation. Is there a document that I can present to the donator for
signature?
I assume this document is NOT the Contributor License Agreement because
that document applies to individuals, not corporations.
Hi all,
A commercial company, after changing its business orientation, recently
proposed to
donate a rather large chuck of code, essentially a log4j extension, to the
log4j project.
Do we need to have them sign any paperwork? Assuming they post the source
code
(under the Apache Software
Your explanation is crystal clear. I'll organize a vote on the
donation just to make sure that we really want the code. Thanks again, Ceki
At 23:58 11.04.2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Ceki [iso-8859-1] Gülcü wrote:
A commercial company, after changing its
Wait a minute, I know you... You are the apricot
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/apricot/) guy. In the fairy tale The
Emperor's new clothes, what was the name of the child who calls
He's naked. The man in the crown is naked
Was it Vladimir Bossicard?
At 18:28 28.03.2002 -0800, you
anything. It would be a nice experiment.
At 12:46 29.03.2002 +1100, you wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:38, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
1) logging calls are made thousands of times so the indirection through
an equalizer API (like commons-logging) has a performance impact
Not in modern JVMs (read most almost
Good point, except that the loop length was 100'000'000 so the cost of the
first 10'000 calls would be dwarfed by the remaining 99'990'000. Of course
there is also:
~/java Indirect 1
log4j: Parsing threshold string [WARN]
log4j: Could not find root logger information. Is this OK?
log4j:
At 18:28 28.03.2002 -0800, you wrote:
god no. The avalon group was already using a facade logger long before
commons was for much the same reason commons adopted one.
Is Avalon still using its own facade logger or changed to commons-logging?
I'm just wondering: How many Jakarta projects use
At 15:36 29.03.2002 +, Danny Angus wrote:
Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you
might was well
support their interfaces and semantics, and then 'embrace and
extend'. Just
do the JSR47 stuff better :)
Could Log4J now become an RI of JSR47 ? (I'm still not
At 15:10 28.03.2002 -0600, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
Where is this world where everyone uses Log4J?
That world = (world - jakarta)
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I am pro-Log4J. I wish I lived in that Log4J-only world (until/unless
something better came along). Generally, commons-logging neither encourages
nor discourages use of Log4J. However, I would argue that it _does_
encourage Log4J a bit by
At 16:33 28.03.2002 -0600, you wrote:
Sun's me-too strategy is bound to fail. The question is whether the
bigger jakarta community is going to help us defeat JSR47 or stand in
the way.
That's a bit harsh, isn't it?
Hmm, maybe it is. What I am trying to say is that I would have liked
to
won't matter.
At 15:17 28.03.2002 -0800, you wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
True. It does encourage it, but only initially. On the long run,
however, people will run into problems with their logging (as is
happening now). They will say this commons-logging+log4j stuff is too
At 00:57 29.03.2002 +0100, Paulo Gaspar wrote:
Ceki,
What about making clear that commons-logging is only supposed to be
used by other components so that the application developer picks
the logging API that suits him best?
That seems to be the intent of commons-logging. I have pointed out
the
At 11:49 27.03.2002 -0600, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
But this isn't really the reason commons-logging was created. Note that
most of the commons components are just that--tiny libraries meant to be
integrated/incorporated into larger frameworks and larger applications.
Some of these components
At 15:18 27.03.2002 -0600, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
Here's the problem, as I see it.
Suppose Commons component A decides to adopt Log4J, Commons component B
decides to adopt LogKit, and Commons component C adopts JDK1.4 logging.
They will all minimally function with the right jars in the
Costin, Morgan, Rodney,
Thanks for the lively discussion and sharing your points of view. My intent
was to warn users of the dangers of using common-logging. I have done
my bit. Cheers, Ceki
At 16:31 27.03.2002 -0600, Morgan wrote:
I believe the order of precedence is well documented. I think
Hello all,
Given that log4j is such a low-level library, most organizations are
suspicious to tie their code to log4j, especially considering the new
logging API in JDK 1.4.
Before going forward, it is appropriate to mention that these two APIs
are very similar. The classical usage pattern
At 14:47 22.03.2002 -0800, you wrote:
- Audience and Marketing:
The document is directed towards people who may not be familiar
with all the projects that exist under the Jakarta umbrella.
Specifically, it is directed towards users, who hope to find
something useful for their own projects.
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-1
I'm not sure we need this at all.
I disagree. I think we definitely need a solid document countering the
idyllic but false world depicted
by the FSF. It's just a gargantuan task to come up with a such a document.
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I disagree with this change because it gives the impression that
LogKit is a top level jakarta project which is not the case. The
addition is placed just to log4j giving the impression that the two
packages have equal footing. This misleads the users to think there
are two logging packages
The following is from http://www.ibiblio.org/java/#recent
I have a request to make of the log4j team, as well as all the other
Java programmers at the Apache Project, IBM alphaWorks, Sun, and
everyone else who distributes JAR archives. Could you please attach a
version number to all your JARs?
and will eventually put
Bugzilla out of business. More info: http://scarab.tigris.org/
thanks,
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to step up and take
over the PMC chairmanship?
p.s. I have no interest in being PMC Chair.
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include software that
runs on the client but excludes software that runs *only* on client.
So, the word server-side might require some further clarification, but removing it
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someone voting -1 means end of discussion.
I dare anyone to -1 that. Regards, Ceki
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opinion about it, which package with which existing project.
Ciao
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At 18:02 05.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
IMHO, XML does not and will never have a community as long as two of
its most important projects directly compete with each other. The
success of one is related with the failure of the other. XML
Community? Won't happen in a million
on the same issue time and again, a wait
period of 12 months is necessary between two referenda on the same
or nearly the same issue.
3) Keeps things as they are and hope for the best.
Regards, Ceki
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At 06:57 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission
will not instigate revolution! I will not instigate revolution!
Regards, Bart.
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yadda.
So I +1 on suggesting standards for external parts of project, -1 for forcing
it
Indeed, that seems to be the consensus.
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. :-(
Anyway, it looks like e-mail that I send now gets through so let me take
advantage of it while I can...
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently
chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission,
then I'm confident that the PMC would
? SourceForgeII?
How about all the C++ projects in XML land?
When do you think ApacheGrabBag/SourceForgeII and the httpd projects
could be merged?
Seriously, I think the idea is worth our consideration. Regards, Ceki
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At 10:35 04.01.2002 -0800, you wrote:
on 1/4/02 3:28 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All Java Language source code in the repository must be written in
conformance to the Code Conventions for the Java Programming Language
as published by Sun. However, some projects may decide
/newproject.html
I will accept any patches against this document and/or direct commits from
PMC members.
:-)
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. I didn't know that. How incredibly smart
of you. Think about the synergies between Tomcat and Jboss!!! Wow!
Incredible.
and you think Jon is politically incorrect! Have you been on the
JBoss lists?
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, tough. Just read the lists!
The only one being rude in this forum is you. Ceki
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Subject: Re: Apache logs problem
Hello Vincent,
Assuming you are using webalizer, have you tried using the -f (fold sequence
errors) and the -p (preserve state
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they are. Regards, Ceki
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now.
I also know I'm in ennemy territory here.
Cedric
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At 21:11 10.07.2001 +0200, Gunnar Rønning wrote:
* Alex Chaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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| Can we turn off the munging of headers that is currently adding
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I agree with this, but this case has been up before with some people
having very strong feelings about
Hello,
We have a developer who would like to contribute a piece of code under the Apache
software license but at the same time would like to keep using the same piece of code
under a different (the original) license. I am sure this not the first time this
happens. How did the foundation deal
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Greetings,
In just over 24 hours, over
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but I am sure we can do better. It is becoming increasingly evident
that no one will be happy about the upcoming logging API from Sun. I
invite you to join our community in protest against the pollution of
the Java environment with dubious APIs.
Thank you in advance, Ceki Gülcü
At 10:58 13.06.2001 +1000, Peter Donald wrote:
At 01:37 AM 6/13/01 +0200, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Greetings,
Here is a written critique of JSR47, the logging API shipped with
JDK 1.4:
http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html
If you agree with its contents, then you are encouraged
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