On 5/6/02 6:34 PM, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to
reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's.
Not sure. We can keep it as 'db' as a working name
]
How many millions of dollars did Andersen spend for the name
Accenture? Sounds like some sort of meat seasoning. No MSG!
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From: Jim Seach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: Database Subproject
Martin Poeschl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i just sent a proposal to the torque list to move to db
...which has been approved by the developers.
- Dan
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I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated too strongly
with relational databases, how about datamanagement or dm? Another
option would be just data.
Jim Seach
--- Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was thinking that a better
sort of meat seasoning. No MSG!
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From: Jim Seach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?
I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated
If I were going to Apache to look for database stuff be it a database
(object oriented or not) and/or stuff to work with it...I'd be prone to
look at db.apache.org. Then again... Jakarta == Java?? ;-)
-Andy
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:44, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2002 08:34, Daniel Rall
, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?
I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated too strongly
with relational databases, how about datamanagement or dm? Another
option would be just data
Hi Geir,
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I think db.apache.org is a great idea. And we will be happy to be part
of it !
I was going to write to you to discuss the idea, but it's better to discuss
here. I am glad to see that you
On 5/4/02 9:26 AM, Martin Poeschl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/4/02 3:41 AM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Geir,
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I think db.apache.org is a great
Naw I'd like to see an httpd-like answer to object-oriented-databases
one day. Rather a name that deosn't preclude it...
-Andy
We have some time now.
I was thinking about this during yoga (I started yoga. It's very cool. I
wasn't supposed to be thinking about anything but my 'wisdom
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From: Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin suggested, and I
On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts
etc
For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage?
It should be size of
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal
with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in
future).
So I propose that we put together a proposal for a db.apache.org. We should
I don't believe
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Bill Barker wrote:
+1
Unless Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then all the
I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project would
be usefull.
Many jakarta projects are out of scope ( or at least doing many things
that are hardly
On Fri, 3 May 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project
would be usefull.
That's been my understanding of it - and I agree with the comment 8-)
Stefan
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On 5/3/02 3:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal
with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in
future).
So I propose that we put
On 5/3/02 2:02 AM, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope
be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one
larger subcommunity.
First
On 5/3/02 2:55 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts
etc
For future reference, can we quantify
James Strachan wrote:
From: Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope
be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one
larger subcommunity.
First
On 5/3/02 6:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the end I think it would be best move for OJB group (much better awareness
and promotion and in the end development) however it comes down to whether
they want to do it and if there is enough Apache volunteers to get it going.
The only problem is that yours so far is the only public positive comment
so far. I let it stew for a bit and will talk to OJB in the intrim, but if
people don't see this as a good idea, then it very could might not be.
well, if you insist, +1 then ;)
As long as there's room for
Berin wrote:
There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't*
donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it
(I think its something about the project can't rely on
non-commons projects or something).
What gives you that idea? Many if not most commons projects rely
On 5/3/02 8:24 AM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Berin wrote:
There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't*
donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it
(I think its something about the project can't rely on
non-commons projects or something).
What
if I want to use that particular pool
implementation do I need to bundle avalaon-exaclibur with my client code.
- Rod
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From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:27 AM
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Subject: Re: Database Subproject
On 5/3/02 9:51 AM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean this?
[jakarta-commons] shall create and maintain packages written
in the Java language, intended for use in server-related
development, and designed to be used independently of any
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a
package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be
a strong apache community is if it has a large amount of apache
participation. The only way
On 5/3/02 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a
package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be
a strong apache community is
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and
the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current
maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even xml.apache.org
is affected by jakarta's NIH.
So I'll be -1 ( as a
On 5/3/02 12:04 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and
the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current
maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
My point is that, like it or not (I like it, Costin doesn't) there is some
benefit of letting like minded people form a community unto themselves -
this is the whole argument behind bringing XML and Jakarta together - lots
of like minded
Henri Yandell wrote:
+1 on Jakarta.OJB.
-1 on Jakarta.DB-Commons unless otherwise convinced.
-1 on db.apache.org, unless people start offering bribes.
I agree with all that. Let's let something like jakarta-db[commons] or
db.apache.org evolve naturally. Start small and let it grow.
It
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
They _will_ be apache people.
Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a
bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality.
The project was aproved by the PMC - so their commiters _are_
On 5/3/02 1:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
They _will_ be apache people.
Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a
bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality.
The
Hi,
Martin Poeschl wrote:
snip
there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me)
i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how
everything works here .
I agree. We (the OJB developers) will need some time to get used to
On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Welcome, Thomas.
Hi,
Martin Poeschl wrote:
snip
there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl
and me)
i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see
how
everything
Martin Poeschl wrote:
snip
there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me)
i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how
everything works here .
I think I need to speak more often then :) Admittedly, I'm only a
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general
good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on
something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...)
You're taking away all the fun :)
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc
A somewhat better idea IMO would be to use OJB + Torque as a trampoline for a
new top-level project db.apache.org (or insert something more snappy if you
want). So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML,
On 5/2/02 6:09 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it means no more daily messages about object relational mapping tools
on this list...
Right - would keep the list clear for the current important stuff... ;)
then it has my full blessing! I suggest an effort be
made to
I think ojb can do things like map a set of related objects to xml as
well. Its not completely database centered. (I know very little about
ojb, so feel free to dispute that. Just thought I would bring it up in
case those that know better, are tuned out.)
john mcnally
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 17:33, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general
good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on
something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...)
Thank god.
On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc
For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage? I do
know what you mean intuitively but there are all sorts of great things
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope
be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one
larger subcommunity.
First of all, I like the idea. But in general I think this should
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