Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Bill Barker
- Original Message - From: Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ? On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Costin suggested, and I

Re: BTW - You guys aren't so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 3 May 2002 10:45, Sam Ruby wrote: Just thought I would let you know. I thought they were - just not in the haha sense :) -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage? It should be size of

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread costinm
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in future). So I propose that we put together a proposal for a db.apache.org. We should I don't believe

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread costinm
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Bill Barker wrote: +1 Unless Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then all the I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project would be usefull. Many jakarta projects are out of scope ( or at least doing many things that are hardly

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Fri, 3 May 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only made a comment that I think a larger scope for the project would be usefull. That's been my understanding of it - and I agree with the comment 8-) Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: BTW - You guys aren't so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
Just thought I would let you know. +1 The same old discussion - mine is longer then yours. Greets Gerhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/2/02 10:38 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's everything you need to know to build Ant: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/~checkout~/jakarta-ant/build.xml I guess there is no need to build a maven descriptor for Ant then? Sorry, but it is not that simple. - Sam Ruby

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 3:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in future). So I propose that we put

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 2:02 AM, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one larger subcommunity. First

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 2:55 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc For future reference, can we quantify

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Martin Poeschl
James Strachan wrote: From: Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one larger subcommunity. First

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 6:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the end I think it would be best move for OJB group (much better awareness and promotion and in the end development) however it comes down to whether they want to do it and if there is enough Apache volunteers to get it going.

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Sam Ruby
Jon Stevens wrote: Maven is more than just a build system. And Gump does at least one thing that Maven does not. And Centipede does at least one thing that neither of then do. So what you end up with is a venn diagram of information that each requires - however the overlap are is information

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Leo Simons
The only problem is that yours so far is the only public positive comment so far. I let it stew for a bit and will talk to OJB in the intrim, but if people don't see this as a good idea, then it very could might not be. well, if you insist, +1 then ;) As long as there's room for

RE: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Waldhoff, Rodney
Berin wrote: There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't* donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it (I think its something about the project can't rely on non-commons projects or something). What gives you that idea? Many if not most commons projects rely

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 8:24 AM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berin wrote: There are some things we have in Excalibur that we *can't* donate to Commons because the charter does not allow it (I think its something about the project can't rely on non-commons projects or something). What

RE: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Waldhoff, Rodney
You mean this? [jakarta-commons] shall create and maintain packages written in the Java language, intended for use in server-related development, and designed to be used independently of any larger product or framework.

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 9:51 AM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean this? [jakarta-commons] shall create and maintain packages written in the Java language, intended for use in server-related development, and designed to be used independently of any

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread costinm
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be a strong apache community is if it has a large amount of apache participation. The only way

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be a strong apache community is

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even xml.apache.org is affected by jakarta's NIH. So I'll be -1 ( as a

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 12:04 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/2/02 5:28 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) We'd probably be running UNIX on our desktops with a standard and friendly GUI. I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :) Same here... Everywhere... :) Pier -- To unsubscribe,

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Stevens wrote: Maven is more than just a build system. And Gump does at least one thing that Maven does not. And Centipede does at least one thing that neither of then do. So what you end up with is a venn diagram of information that each

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: My point is that, like it or not (I like it, Costin doesn't) there is some benefit of letting like minded people form a community unto themselves - this is the whole argument behind bringing XML and Jakarta together - lots of like minded

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/2/02 5:28 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) We'd probably be running UNIX on our desktops with a standard and friendly GUI. I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :) Same here...

RE: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Waldhoff, Rodney
Henri Yandell wrote: +1 on Jakarta.OJB. -1 on Jakarta.DB-Commons unless otherwise convinced. -1 on db.apache.org, unless people start offering bribes. I agree with all that. Let's let something like jakarta-db[commons] or db.apache.org evolve naturally. Start small and let it grow. It

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 4:08 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simple example: given an Scarab's build.xml file, can you write a DVSL which extracts the name of the jar which can be produced? - Sam Ruby Yes, cause I can just put a simple object 'java.util.Properties' into the context which gets it

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 12:38 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/2/02 5:28 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) We'd probably be running UNIX on our desktops with a standard and friendly GUI. I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :)

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Sam Ruby
Jon Stevens wrote: Simple example: given an Scarab's build.xml file, can you write a DVSL which extracts the name of the jar which can be produced? Yes, cause I can just put a simple object 'java.util.Properties' into the context which gets it out of the default.properties file. Can you

Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?). Berin posted this: Despite my comments on General@, I really like what maven offers. There are some things that I would like to have in Maven or

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :) Same here... Everywhere... :) Me too. I'm hooked. TiBook wherever I go, dualie 800 at home. Can't go back. The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care about Apple users and

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread costinm
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: They _will_ be apache people. Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality. The project was aproved by the PMC - so their commiters _are_

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 Jon Scott Stevens wrote: Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?). Berin posted this: Despite my comments on General@, I really like

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 9:57 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you point out where the jar name is in the scarab/build/default.properties file? - Sam Ruby In Velocity/DVSL, it would be built something like this (assuming a java.util.Properties in the context as props:

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?). Berin posted this: Despite my comments on General@, I really like what maven offers. There are some things that I

Apple. Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java users. Well duh. Apple's business model doesn't revolve around Java. Apple are doing a

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 50 cvs actions over the life of the project? OooAhh -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity. project just switched repositories. Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 50 cvs actions over the life of the project?

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 50 cvs actions over the life of the project? OooAhh And who is the hypocrite this time? From a previous post of yours (copy

Re: Apple. Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java users. Well duh. Apple's business

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 1:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: They _will_ be apache people. Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality. The

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 1:04 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :) Same here... Everywhere... :) Me too. I'm hooked. TiBook wherever I go, dualie 800 at home. Can't go back. I can see a good reason for

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 50 cvs actions over the life of the project? OooAhh And who is

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 50 cvs actions over the life of the project?

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity. project just switched repositories. O...page views dude?...you didn't say that... well, just yesterday we had: [daedalus] 10:56am ~ grep -c /maven/ 02 7546 Looks

Apple/Java (was RE: You guys are so funny.)

2002-05-03 Thread Sale, Doug
i'm fairly new to Apple OS/X (about a month w/ my TiBook), and have thus not run into the native code dependency problems (yet). i'm all for anything that would elevate the dev community's issues to both camps (Sun/Apple). -doug -Original Message- From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Leo Simons
You know how many views /. gets? Microsoft.com? This is getting _really_ silly. LOL On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 20:00, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity. project just switched

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread costinm
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: well, just yesterday we had: [daedalus] 10:56am ~ grep -c /maven/ 02 7546 Looks like the *entire* life of your project has been around 9500... OhhA My english vocabulary is too limited to express what I feel reading

[ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far. The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here: http://nagoya.apache.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread petite_abeille
On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far. The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here: http://nagoya.apache.org/ Great... but is

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
petite_abeille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far. The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here:

Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Waldhoff, Rodney
At http://nagoya.apache.org/ I now see: The BugZilla Bug Tracking System BugZilla is the Bug Tracking System currently used by most Apache projects. The Scarab Issue Tracking System Scarab is an alternative Issue Tracking System and it will shortly replace the current BugZilla

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Santiago Gala
Pier Fumagalli wrote: It's internet explorer not sending the correct locale... Daniel's aware of that, and a fix is shortcoming... Use mozilla! :) Tis is mozilla: org.apache.velocity.exception.MethodInvocationException: Invocation of method 'get(PageTitle)' in class

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 12:38 PM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have anything against Scarab (in fact I may even prefer it), and I've no particular love for BugZilla (in fact I don't especially like it), but out of curiosity, how is this sort of thing decided? I've seen no mention of

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it. But I'd rather kinda start sooner rather than later because once we have a lot of

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 5/3/02 1:58 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it. But I'd rather kinda

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it. But I'd rather kinda start sooner rather than later

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I don't think anyone has been using it much yet. On top of it, the version on nagoya is way old...:-( It is very easy to install. -jon Any plans to upgrade? Anything I can do to help? Bugzilla is not my favorite and I've been watching scarab from time to time and salivating. (as well

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread costinm
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 12:38 PM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have anything against Scarab (in fact I may even prefer it), and I've no particular love for BugZilla (in fact I don't especially like it), but out of curiosity, how is

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Andy, I am loving Scarab too. I have a copy installed on my laptop (along with MySQL and Tomcat). It's administration is clean, the app is well documented and user friendly. Last time I inquired about it, Jason Van Zyl said that it was a testing area. By virtue of the fact that it is

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Can we get the POI mail archives on there? Thanks, Andy Santiago Gala wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: It's internet explorer not sending the correct locale... Daniel's aware of that, and a fix is shortcoming... Use mozilla! :) Tis is mozilla:

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Thomas Mahler
Hi, Martin Poeschl wrote: snip there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me) i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how everything works here . I agree. We (the OJB developers) will need some time to get used to

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Rall
Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 5/3/02 1:58 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got no results. I'd love to try scarab and might

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Rall
Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 5/3/02 12:38 PM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have anything against Scarab (in fact I may even prefer it), and I've no particular love for BugZilla (in fact I don't especially like it), but out of curiosity, how is this

RE: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Hey, Paulo! Let's meet! We can become friends and switch xsl:templates! Sorry Steven, I know well both XSLT and Velocity and Velocity sure is more productive. Of course that from the way Jon talks about me you can tell that I do not always agree with him - Jon seems to only be friendly to

RE: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Paulo Gaspar
I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if 'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are the standards. Costin, Being you quite a brilliant guy, I don't understand two troubles you seem to have:

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread dion
I'm sure someone else will manage it but some of the lists have zero entries, e.g. turbine-maven-dev -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/02 04:34 AM

RE: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Paulo Gaspar
I got proven wrong from the point of view that enough people wanted T3 to survive. I got proven right that T3 distracted a limited set of resources (ie: people) from T4. Uau! You already got HALF way. You just still don't understand that T4 probably has more resources thanks to T3 staying

RE: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Paulo Gaspar
People who are clearly without a clue. Hypocrites. But then it seems that any one that disagrees with you gets included in one (or both) of the above categories. And you often don't recognize these ones even if they bite you: Real suggestions for improvement. Intelligent

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Rall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure someone else will manage it but some of the lists have zero entries, e.g. turbine-maven-dev I know, old problem. I'm regenerating the mbox indices now (which is going to make nagoya very slow for a bit, btw). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Rall
Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: with my standard settings: Ejemplo de Cabecera de Request Host hisitech.com:8080 Accept text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Rall
petite_abeille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far. The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here:

RE: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Sale, Doug
agreed. the swearing (http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg05130.html), self-congratulating web page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html), and general attitude is disheartening. most of us don't need others to step in and defend our 'nice-guy' status. -Original

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome, Thomas. Hi, Martin Poeschl wrote: snip there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me) i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how everything

RE: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread dion
C'mon guys personal attacks aren't worth our time. Communities have a diverse range of people. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers Sale, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/02 05:12 AM Please

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 9:30 PM, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: with my standard settings: Ejemplo de Cabecera de Request Host hisitech.com:8080 Accept text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Ritchey
What happened to the one at http://nagoya.apache.org:8080/eyebrowse/ViewLists It had all the lists archived instead of the few that are showing up now? Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far. The baby is running on

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Ritchey
Whooops ignore my last note, I missed this one about you rebuilding everything. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure someone else will manage it but some of the lists have zero entries, e.g. turbine-maven-dev I know, old problem. I'm regenerating the mbox indices now (which is going to

while we were having a few irrelevant conversations...really badstuff was happening..

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can tell writing mean things like I stand with Sun or something. Kinda scary. *now I think its okay to bark about the evil empire* -Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Henri Yandell
Martin Poeschl wrote: snip there are only 2 apache developers on the ojb developer list (Jason van Zyl and me) i think it would be good to give the other ojb developers some time to see how everything works here . I think I need to speak more often then :) Admittedly, I'm only a

Re: while we were having a few irrelevant conversations...really bad stuffwas happening..

2002-05-03 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can tell writing mean things like I stand with Sun or something. Kinda scary. Odd... the link in that story goes to

Re: while we were having a few irrelevant conversations...reallybad stuff was happening..

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
humm If I had to guess he posted the wrong link. I'll forward it to you. On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 23:22, Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can tell writing mean