Re: Printable pages

On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 02:50, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > On 21 Mar 2002, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:53, Ted Husted wrote: > > >> I would be -1 on a product change that made the main Jakarta web > >> site inaccessible w

Re: Windows 2K Tomcat service w/ jacorb

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 23:17, Chris Lee wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone tell me how to setup jacorb w/ Tomcat which run as NT Service? > the tomcat mail list or jacorb mail list perhaps? > I am using Windows 2000, and latest Tomcat 4.0.3 Binary d/l at: > http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-tom

Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 21:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 22/03/2002 12:13:01 PM: > > > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede, hoping to find some easy w

Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede, hoping to find some easy way of > building docs, but I was sorely disappointed. You have to know a ton of > stuff about Cocoon, Cocoon's 'book' format (which isn't DocBook), and the > other tools invol

Re: Printable pages

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:53, Ted Husted wrote: > Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > > I'm ok with that. Netscape 6 and IE 5.5 are released versions of the latest > > technologies. If those new technologies support the features we need, then > > lets require them for those features. It is like the big swit

Re: [site] proposed changes to site.vsl template

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 17:22, Ted Husted wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Cool, feedback :) Where do u think it needs more whitespace - between > > 'menus' or 'items'? > > Personally, I like putting the sidebar menus on the right, so they are > near the scrollbar. Then if the page is a little

Re: [OT] JCP rant

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 14:47, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > All very good points. The question on my mind is whether these > problems can be corrected in the future by opening up the (JCP) Java > Community Process or whether the closed-like-a-clamp is a symptom > of a more serious and profound disease - m

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

I guess I'm wondering what the legal definition of "reverse-engineer" means. To me that means disassemble. If I just write something that happens to have the same interface, inputs and outputs, to me that doesn't qualify as "reverse-engineer" but maybe thats just me. When my 5 year old stepson

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

BTW. Define: "release" ;-) On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 19:55, Conor MacNeill wrote: > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: > > > > > > I think what Peter said was that you can read the spec only if you > > agree with the licence, and that pr

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? -Andy On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 19:55, Conor MacNeill wrote: > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: > > > > > > I think what Peter said was that you can

RE: Jakarta Overview

Perhaps you could become a Jakarta developer by altering the provided overview so that it is both useful to users and acceptable to the developers of the projects it covers. I should say a subjective (mature/immature/good/bad) information might be useful, but probably is more the area of a Jakart

RE: Re: Jakarta Overview

On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 13:05, Waldhoff, Rodney wrote: > I'm -1 until someone can clarify how/why this is different from the "Jakarta > Subprojects" section of the home page. > Why, perhaps it needs expansion! I look forward to reading it *duck* -Andy "documentation lover" O. > Why not just ad

Re: Jakarta Overview

On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 18:01, Daniel Rall wrote: > "Waldhoff, Rodney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm -1 until someone can clarify how/why this is different from the "Jakarta > > Subprojects" section of the home page. > > One difference that I've noticed is that overview.xml is a more > com

Re: the POI site is unreadable in Netscape

> > Just to be clear in case someone believes your misconceptions; you don't > need to learn to edit vsl files to take advantage of the Jakarta-site > module. In fact, the whole point of it is that it does the following: > > The vsl stylesheet is done for you so that your site will look *exactly

Re: the POI site is unreadable in Netscape

> > > > Do you know what the best thing about centipede/cocoon is? I don't have > > to lift a finger, other people do it for me :-D. Granted, Anakia is > > Ditto here for the xsl stuff. We produce docbook xml docs, and run it > through 2 sets of stylesheets: > 1 - docbook -> site >

Re: the POI site is unreadable in Netscape

On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 23:04, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > on 3/17/02 7:01 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually we use centepede/cocoon. But wow. I just checked the new > > stylesheets with NS 4.7x and boy it sure does look weird. I&

Re: FW: the POI site is unreadable in Netscape

Actually we use centepede/cocoon. But wow. I just checked the new stylesheets with NS 4.7x and boy it sure does look weird. I'm reporting this and hopefully it will be fixed soon. Admittedly, nearly everyone on the project uses IE or a gecko-based browser (Mozilla) so its not surprising it too

Re: search back to useless search.apache.org [Fwd: Re: Why I thinksearch.apache.org is not particularly useful]

Thanks Pier, Actually I think my answer was that someone didn't do an update before regenerating the site. Its back to using the google link. -Andy On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 20:12, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Not

Re: SOAP + SSL ?

First tip, perhaps you should post to either the Tomcat or SOAP mailing lists. Please re-read http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html and the page following. You'll find the tomcat mail list there as well. You might want to check over on the soap project page over on xml.apache.org/soap in add

search back to useless search.apache.org [Fwd: Re: Why I thinksearch.apache.org is not particularly useful]

d. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh --- Begin Message --- Done. "Andrew C. Oliver" wrote: > > Recently a link to search.apache.org was added to the jakarta front > page.. I do see this as a good thing overallbut.. > > can I change the *search

Re: page headline?

On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 00:24, Sam Ruby wrote: > >Our goal should be to help those companies see the light, not back them >into a corner. The effect of a missive like that is to force them to >find other reasons to back up their positions that have nothing to do >with open source a

page headline?

Out of curiosity why was the page headline changed? I though the other one was catchier and possibly more effective? -andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 22:16, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On 3/14/02 9:17 PM, "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 3/14/02 6:09 PM, "Kevin A. Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Would it be a good protocol to put a LICENSE file in > >> .jar files under META-INF ? > > >

Re: Can we get a pretty page with a "Do this if you care" WAS Re:Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Sun tolock OpenSource out of Java.

On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 21:16, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > on 3/14/02 6:06 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd like to continue to help on this so far I guess I got this as the > > top story on www.javalobby.org (my local hometown java

Can we get a pretty page with a "Do this if you care" WAS Re:Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Sun tolock OpenSource out of Java.

Hi All, I'd like to continue to help on this so far I guess I got this as the top story on www.javalobby.org (my local hometown java site). Several people pointed out I didn't really give them a "what to do about it". Can someone qualified create a page that I can point folks to to read the fac

Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Sun tolock Open Source out of Java.

+1 On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 01:25, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > I like the title. :-) > > > > -jon > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > For additional commands, e-mail: > -- http://www.super

Re: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results

Still I think it is time for a Jon style headline on the front page. Perhaps something with shock appeal like "JSPA Vote Screws open source and makes Microsoft look open" -- Just my opinion. Send a press release to CNET this time, they were quite interested. -Andy On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 17:42,

RE: License issue (the come back)

My understanding is it prohibits reverse engineering copy protection... not general things. Also according to this notable source article: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/1201/comments/reply/026lane.pdf it would seem interoperability (I'd read this elsewhere as well) is still protected. (So sorry M

RE: JakartaOne

On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 05:19, GOMEZ Henri wrote: > Any luck that a JakartaOne will ever be in Europe, > even better in Paris ? > Heck from the East Coast US right now its cheaper to fly/stay in Europe than the west coast (go figure). For kicks I investigated hotel prices in the area WHOA! For a

Why I think search.apache.org is not particularly useful

Recently a link to search.apache.org was added to the jakarta front page.. I do see this as a good thing overallbut.. can I change the *search* link to: http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:jakarta.apache.org&hl=en&as_qdr=all search.apache.org - useful resource or big dud...you de

jakarta-site2 update (please)

Announced new POI pre-release.. . please update site-2 -- thanks -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

Yes but access to the webserver is necessary is it not? That would be the problem! Anyhow, its been solved. Marc's been given access. Now I'm happy. As a future suggestion: probably at least one committer to every project should have access to the webserver. I know its important to protect i

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

Thanks Stefano! Thanks nameless faceless root! :-) -Andy On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 06:33, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" wrote: > > > > Hi Stefano, > > > > I totally agree, here is the problem: > > > > I've offered to w

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

Hi Stefano, I totally agree, here is the problem: I've offered to write this script provided with the relevant server/directory information. I've offered to help however I can to get the POI website up, the builds and releases up, etc. No one has taken me up on it. Via CVS is the ONLY way mod

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 21:07, Jeff Turner wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:47:49PM -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > My opinion is you've come across just about as objective as Richard > > Stallman would be in the Microsoft Beta testing program. > > :-> Pretend

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 20:28, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > on 3/6/02 4:52 PM, "Marc Saegesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would love to see a document describes the Apache Software License, the > > philosophy behind it and why we think the ASL is a good thing. > > Probably suggesting more c

RE: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

In the mean time.. . can Marc (our build maestro) get karma to copy our releases to the relevant server via ftp or whatever? If not then does anyone object to us checking the whole file into a subdirectory of our website in CVS so that it can be copied over? We'll follow this obviously less than

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 19:52, Marc Saegesser wrote: > I would love to see a document describes the Apache Software License, the > philosophy behind it and why we think the ASL is a good thing. What I don't > want is another tirade about why GPL sucks. There's enough of that out > there already an

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

My opinion is you've come across just about as objective as Richard Stallman would be in the Microsoft Beta testing program. No offense but this is EXACTLY the opposite of what is needed. Way too inflamatory, partisan and counter-productive to the target of just "explaining to the confused" as

Re: Jakarta Documentation

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 18:38, Ted Husted wrote: > acoliver wrote: > > I consider the statement "you just need to know where to look for" to be a > > symptom of improper information organization. Such things should be *easy* > > to find. Initiation into our community(ies?) has a higher barrier tha

Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 07:39, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You must realize that there are different objectives. It is the goal of > > GNU to get all software to use the GPL. It is not a goal of Apache to >

Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

Send in a patch or write one it seems like you've researched the issue beyond *it sucks*. On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 06:16, Jeff Turner wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a page somewhere at apache.org, explaining why anyone would want to > switch from GPL to ASL? The GNU.org site paints a very inspiring pict

Re: POI web update

man...followers ;-) On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 22:19, James Strachan wrote: > > jakarta.apache.org/ant and jakarta.apache.org/avalon added. > > Is jakarta.apache.org/commons in the list - if not can we add that too > please? > > James > > > _

Re: JakartaOne?

+1 On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 07:38, Sam Ruby wrote: > Geir Magnusson wrote: > > > > - web services (I want to hear Sam talk about Axis :) > > At the moment, I don't plan to be at JavaOne. However, if there were > sufficient items of interest (like a JakartaOne), I might change my mind. > > - Sam R

POI nightly and milestone releases and the upcoming production

Hi All, I'd like to get POI back to doing nightly, *development* (I guess that's called *milestone releases*), and the upcoming 1.5. Marc Johnson is our designated (and self-proclaimed) Build-maestro (slash release manager)and possesses the necessary conservatism to do this carefully and metho

Re: POI web update

Cool.. thanks man! On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 16:55, Sam Ruby wrote: > I've added poi to the list of sites which I automatically update every six > hours. > > See: http://www.apache.org/~rubys/updatesite.log1 .. > http://www.apache.org/~rubys/updatesite.log4 . > > - Sam Ruby > > > -- > To unsubsc

Re: POI web update

Thanks Daniel & Pier! -Andy On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 15:47, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, We've committed a number of changes to the POI site. If someone > > with requisite karma could apply thi

POI web update

Hi, We've committed a number of changes to the POI site. If someone with requisite karma could apply this on the http server we'd appreciate it. Thanks, Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document

Because I'm just that kinda guy

Hi All, While I was adding a news blurb out POI's logo contest, I fixed a little issue with methodology.xml. I changed the encoding type to ISO-8859-1 so that it would build for me. If this is wrong, no problem, feel free to change it but it cleared up the error for me. PS - awesome job on t

RE: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 20:27, Scott Sanders wrote: > I am happy to set up the daedalus release directory. > > I have not cloned the real Sam Ruby in any way ;-) > Starts singing "Will the real Sam Ruby..please stand up..." *duck* > Scott > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam Ruby [ma

RE: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

March 01, 2002 2:30 PM > > To: Jakarta General List > > Subject: Re: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:22, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > How do we get nightly builds/source releases happening and posting? > >

Re: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

Great. Thanks Pete. On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 17:29, Peter Donald wrote: > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:22, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > How do we get nightly builds/source releases happening and posting? > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.html > > Ask Sam nicely to update hi

Re: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

:-) On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 17:31, Peter Donald wrote: > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:29, Peter Donald wrote: > > on jakarta.apache.org. If no one has permission to do that > > then you can ask for permission or get someone else to do it. > > Note to self. When writing Javadocs use HTML tags, when writi

POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

Hi All, Another question: The POI committers have been suckered^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H agreed to do an interim production-level release (1.5) in the near future in order to reflect the new packaging, capture a number of bug fixes and enhancements, etc etc. How do we get nightly

[Fwd: Bugzilla for POI]

Now that the website is updated... Could Someone help us get bugzilla setup for POI? (sorry to be so demanding... :-) ) Thanks, -Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http:/

update POI web

Hi All, I committed a few changes to the POI website (new committers, new high level components, etc) a week ago or so and so far these haven't rolled over to the website. Can someone with httpd access update it please? Thanks, Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.o

Re: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler

another similar work you might want to look at http://freshmeat.net/projects/jmp/ Of course it doesn't run on toy operating systems ;-), but collaboration is a good thing. -Andy On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 07:16, Michael Pan wrote: > > Hi, > > My name is Michael Pan and I'd like to announce about

Re: Recasting Apache license

We did this originally for POI and used Marc/me and the POI contributers. I just got each to agree that it could be transferred to ASF before accepting donations. (because POI was originally intended to all be part of cocoon but that is a really long boring story)... I'm not sure of all of the

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

Yes! Actually Apache is funded fully by Microsoft and its all been this big farce.. We'll be close sourcing everything and handing it back to Bill! Don't worry, Soon we'll have Microsoft leadership for the whole group! -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 16:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote: > Do

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

You laugh... IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED!!! http://www.mail-archive.com/cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org/msg10094.html On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 15:20, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > > > Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

I keep telling you: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ Get this guy to release it APL and then we can get up and go! :-) -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 04:28, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > James Duncan Davidson wrote: > > > > On 2/5/02 08:24, "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > My

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Open Enterprise Distribution ... I'm bigger into descriptive names that mean something when they don't cause lawsuits... :-) You asked... What's in a name? -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 13:52, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > On Sun, 2002-02-24 a

Re: Bug in jakarta web server? (apache 2.0.32)

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 09:55, Ted Grzesik wrote: > Folks, > > I believe the apache 2.0.32 server (i.e. the server jakarta site is > using) has a bug. I thought I would report it here because of the close > affiliation to the apache organization. Also, this is affecting the > ability of the Ja

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > > Ted Husted wrote: > > > > My concern would be that this promotes a "We are Borg" attitude. > > > > This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a > good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform th

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 10:30, Ted Husted wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: > > 2) a statement of intent in important places on the website. > > I'm guessing that putting "we would like to see tomcat > > integrate with avalon" on the projects' respective websites > > would mean that such will happen sooner

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net

There lies your problem Michael. . . Jakarta (believe it or not) doesn't want "code" they want communities of developers. If your interested in having a Jakarta project (and have Really thick skin and some patience;-) ) you probably will have to start it somewhere else (POI for instance started

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net

I think its universally accepted that JSP sucks. I don't think anyone can hold an intelligent argument to the contrary (unless the "typical corporate developer" competency argument is used). That being said..I'm not sure this is the forum for such arguments. I'd like to invite you to the Triang

OT: Someone better warn Sam Ruby

Open Source Developer Stoned for Praising .NET http://bbspot.com/News/2002/02/stoned.html -Andy -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 11:01, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > It is interesting that I made a similar proposal (or rather described > the same idea) just yesterday on an unrelated mailing list, with the > normal excuse of being too busy right now to start working in this > direction ( http://groups.yah

jakarta-site2 sidebar

Hi all, quick proposal... does anyone object to me moving [MISC] Who we are? bla bla bal to the TOP of the sidebar and renaming it [ABOUT]? Rationale: the MISC trivializes the information and says "don't read me". If community is more important than codewhy is the code above the community i

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

What I think would be cool is if someone (other than me because I'm swamped at the moment) -- created an "Enterprise Distribution" along the lines of the vision you outline below (see: www.sourceforge.net or www.tigris.org). -Andy On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 06:33, Leo Simons wrote: > There has been

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net [People are stupid!]

There are times when a scalable remoteable solution is necessary. Granted these are 1 in 100 projects, (or fewer). Secondly, EJB is purely a bad implementation of this. I recommend we table this discussion, it has drawn on. EJB/J2EE bitch-fest is not something that has a logical conclusion. I

Re: Problem installing Jarkarta-Tomcat

I think idiot was chosen because the person would have had to browse past the mail page with all the rules and then go to the other page. So had they taken the time to read any of the first page, then they'd have known where to post. Anyone object to me moving the "general" list to the bottom

Re: ApacheForge

I'm not sure I'm against this idea entirely... Just who is going to pay for it? VA has massive hardware behind Sourceforge (and its still down all the damn time). How do you do Apacheforge on far less boxen without whats left of VC money and probably an IPO? All of the other issues are little d

re: Andrew C. Oliver ( was Re: Geir Magnusson Jr.)

> No - the idea is that if your site content is in CVS, we can just make a done: module = jakarta-poi target = docs dir= build/jakarta-poi/docs (-r) > subdir under jakarta, and then do a cvs checkout of your site right there. > So you and the rest of the POI committers update right into you

RE: Geir Magnusson Jr.

Sorry Geir, You weren't actually supposed to be the subject of that message...oops. :-) -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics!

Geir Magnusson Jr.

>> Hi All, >> > I added POI to the jakarta site. Can someone with appropriate karma >> update the site on the www server. >> > I regret having to point the links to poi.sourceforge.net. The new site >> is currently being hosted there. Being in limbo isn't very good for a >> project, been there

please update the jakarta site

Hi All, I added POI to the jakarta site. Can someone with appropriate karma update the site on the www server. I regret having to point the links to poi.sourceforge.net. The new site is currently being hosted there. Being in limbo isn't very good for a project, been there for a few weeks no

Re: Jesktop migrating from Jakarta to Sourceforge

I really think the time has come for a Java gui stuff foundry. (Unless everyone has moved to C# already ;-) ). -Andy On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 08:00, Santiago Gala wrote: > Paul Hammant wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > *Context* > > > > To remind you, I am a committer on Avalon and Commons with inters

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:32, Peter Donald wrote: > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > > > *if* there was an open, semi-stable platform then I am sure a fair > > > > > chunk of people would flock to it - especially if it is under a nice > &g

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

> > > Become a strategist. There will always a need for people telling people > what they should do next. At least for people that does not read these > lists. ;) > Where do I sign? :-) I'm always happy telling people what they should do next ;-). -Andy -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 05:20, Punky Tse wrote: > > > > "Hey look at all those angry developers! They must really love Java! Cool! > > That will get us some fun press!" > > > However, the way that you have been going about things doesn't help anyone > > or anything. Please try a new approach. > > >

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 14:47, Peter Donald wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > > > Are you upset at the way Java is being handl

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 11:24, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > > > > on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, "Kevin A. Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues. > > > > > > Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix thing

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta-Meeting

Provided the senate does not avoid the forum less they loose site of the plebs. -Andy On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 07:14, Ted Husted wrote: > I wonder how people would feel about moving the actual PMC business to > another list, like Jakarta-Meeting. It's obvious that we need a General > list for open

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

you use MS. IBM on making you use IBM stuff, etc. -Andy On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 04:16, Kevin A. Burton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Peter Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN? > > > > > > Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java > > > proprietary

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

Ya'll are a bit harsh. You expect and old school unix server manufacturer to shed its evil ways (learning from the mistakes of unix divergence) and become enlightened over night. Java was WAY more then I would have expected from Sun. Lets not turn our chance to change things into a "Sun Sucks-f

Re: Jesktop migrating from Jakarta to Sourceforge

On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 20:12, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On 2/4/02 8:00 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > >> I thought the same of POI, but the most popular use case was claimed to be > >> on the server... >

Re: Jesktop migrating from Jakarta to Sourceforge

> > I thought the same of POI, but the most popular use case was claimed to be > on the server... > whoa, I'll shut up now less I forget which end is up again. > Every microsoft server requires a GUI, for example :) > And a rapid fire reset button. > > -- > Geir Magnusson Jr.

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 16:58, Kevin A. Burton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Sorry for the X-post. > Then don't do it. > I just created a new mailing list: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can sign up here: > > http://entropy.yi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Jesktop migrating from Jakarta to Sourceforge

On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 09:18, Sam Ruby wrote: > Paul Hammant wrote: > > > > What rules do you want changed? > > > > 1) Apache considering that GUI apps are legitimate targets for ASF > > attentions. > > 2) If jakarta is not the place, then a foundary for GUI apps/comps/tools > > These rules don't

RE: [ot] J2EE considered harmful

On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 19:44, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: > > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 09:19, Alef Arendsen wrote: > > > So what's the score? DotNet is the new Microsoft initiative, and - > as > > always -

Re: Reply-To headers

Not very recently. -1 on even having this discussion: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html it's offtopic. -Andy On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 18:22, Bojan Smojver wrote: > I've noticed that not all recent e-mail messages from a few Jakarta > mailing lists had Reply-To header set back to the li

Re: PMC Nomination - Craig McClanahan

+1 On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 17:16, Morgan Delagrange wrote: > I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC. > > Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ people do), so I > cannot give a complete rundown of his accomplishments. I can say, however, > that his

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

(too bad I'll be boycotting Yahoo soon because they use pop-up ads which I consider SOoo unprofessional) On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 11:00, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 11:07, Ted Husted wrote: > > "Andrew C. Oliver" wrote: > > > > > > On

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 11:07, Ted Husted wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 10:46, Ted Husted wrote: > > > yahoo.com goes way beyond a search engine: > > > > > > Email, address books, auctions, classified ads

Re: J2EE considered harmful

They may indeed be. I think the arguments drifted to methodology (as far as whether distributed object technologies are even necessary which was moot). I'd really like to help with a case studies page. Some end-end Apache and Jakarta solutions. We should be a bit more "project agnostic" on thi

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

ast~, and represents > a very different best-of-breed right now. > > > "Andrew C. Oliver" wrote: > > > > Those are both search engines with non-critical data update issues. You > > do need an example with more business-logic oriented type > > fun

RE: [ot] J2EE considered harmful

On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 09:19, Alef Arendsen wrote: > I used to see J2EE and EJBs as the perfect solution to build scalable, maintainable >webapplications. Our companies has been moving away from the webapplications business >and we're completely focussing on delivering knowledge management compon

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