Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-18 Thread Martin Nordholts
peter sikking wrote: > after checking out Inkscape and Scribus, I think Alexandre just > added another valid factor, which means that the balance just > tipped the other way: > > Export should be shift-ctrl-E > > 'Export to ' should be ctrl-E Makes sense, I'll swap the shortcuts. It is quite iron

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-18 Thread peter sikking
Alexandre wrote: > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > >> One notable change is that Ctrl + E is now bound to File->Export by >> default instead of View->Shrink Wrap. Hopefully this change will >> not be >> too much of a pain. We may need to consider finding a new keyboard

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > One notable change is that Ctrl + E is now bound to File->Export by > default instead of View->Shrink Wrap. Hopefully this change will not be > too much of a pain. We may need to consider finding a new keyboard > shortcut for View->Shrink

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-16 Thread Martin Nordholts
Martin Nordholts wrote: > Hi > > I have been working on implementing the Save + export spec [1] for a > while. And I have also merged the base work to GNOME master now, so to try it out all you have to do is git pull. There is still work to be done (see the merge commit message) but we are def

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-13 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
I suspect thumbnailing will not be enough. Let's see an example of "high end" workflow for photography. One has taken a bunch of RAW images. He has to browse them and compare, delete the bad ones. Then the images need conversion with desired comparing at that stage and the selection goes on...

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-13 Thread Martin Nordholts
Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: > Can one guarantee GIMP compositions will be at least correctly rendered > with third-party viewers as image browsing is not in GIMP goals? At > least recently xcf has been considered as internal GIMP format. Having > thousands files what cannot be easily and quickl

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: > Pleasant interactive cropping In fact tools like Lightroom or Rawstudio beat GIMP for me when it comes to cropping of photos -- for reasons multiple times explained to GIMP developers. > and scaling, required for web are enough > rea

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-13 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Can one guarantee GIMP compositions will be at least correctly rendered with third-party viewers as image browsing is not in GIMP goals? At least recently xcf has been considered as internal GIMP format. Having thousands files what cannot be easily and quickly viewed and organized is not a good

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-13 Thread peter sikking
peter (yahvuu) wrote: > peter sikking schrieb: >> foo.png was never inside GIMP. it was an xcf that had foo.png as a >> starting point. we try to reflect this in every way. one way that >> came >> up during LGM discussions was that the layer should be always >> (even for "background") be named a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-13 Thread yahvuu
Hi all, peter sikking schrieb: > foo.png was never inside GIMP. it was an xcf that had foo.png as a > starting point. we try to reflect this in every way. one way that came > up during LGM discussions was that the layer should be always > (even for "background") be named after the image that was

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-13 Thread peter sikking
Michal wrote: >> This is a point that Martin and I discussed on irc. >> Here is the main point that the changes are clarifying is: >> >>a file is only safe when it is Saved (in xcf) >> >> this means that export is never the solution to unsaved changes and >> "Export" and "Export to foo.png" ca

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Pleasant interactive cropping and scaling, required for web are enough reasons. Red eyes reduction sometimes... Why should one use something other if the tool he uses most of the time is convenient and powerful? The above mentioned actions are not too complicated to be reproduced in one minute.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: > Peter, I think you (or me :) ) will be surprised if know the statistics > on the percentage of photos which really need complex retouching or > complex actions with layers. The most common cases I can give are face > retouching, "repa

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: > correcting perspective distortion. If a photo is properly exposed, has > not excessive noise and is not a portrait of a person you need to > improve, there is no need to retouch it after proper RAW conversion. And therefore there is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Peter, I think you (or me :) ) will be surprised if know the statistics on the percentage of photos which really need complex retouching or complex actions with layers. The most common cases I can give are face retouching, "repairing" of a photo with too high dynamic range or correcting perspec

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread peter sikking
Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: > I think you are too biased towards xcf as an everyday storage > format. It is not needed very often, at least for now. May I provide > my usual workflow? I read your workflow and I am confident that when you try it out you will find that we support it well with

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
I think you are too biased towards xcf as an everyday storage format. It is not needed very often, at least for now. May I provide my usual workflow? 1. I take pictures in RAW. 2. I convert the pictures I liked in UFRaw and save the result in jpg with maximum quality (1:1:1, floating point, 100%

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread peter sikking
Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: > While I haven't tried the new behavior, I would like to be able to > see either I have made any changes after the export in the title bar > or not. Now it is indicated with a star. I prefer to see it remained. that would mean we needed two indicators, one that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
While I haven't tried the new behavior, I would like to be able to see either I have made any changes after the export in the title bar or not. Now it is indicated with a star. I prefer to see it remained. >> 2. When I open image "foo.png", do some changes and close it, GIMP >> message >> says:

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-12 Thread peter sikking
Michal wrote: first of all, thanks for trying it out and commenting. > My comments and observations: > 1. When I try to save and I change extension to (for example) .png, > GIMP > message appears: > "You can use this dialog to save to the GIMP XCF format. Use File- > >Export to > export to oth

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:08 +0200, Jernej Simončič wrote: [...] > Show me one person outside GIMP developer community that thinks this > is a sane change. I don't think many people think it's a sane change, but that's not the right question. The question is, will the resulting interface be good?

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, May 7, 2009, 11:47:00, David Gowers wrote: > Fortunately, those all sound more like (kneejerk) reactions than > comments with any thought to them. Show me one person outside GIMP developer community that thinks this is a sane change. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternally

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Nordholts
2009/5/7 > If your request for comments is only on the > implementation and you are not expecting comments on the export spec > itself, I apologize for the following question: > > Shouldn't the "Save a copy..." menu item be eliminated since its > functionality can be entirely attained by exportin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Nordholts
2009/5/7 David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> > patch #0010 fails: Did you pull from GNOME master before you applied the patches? I should have said that the patches requires latest GNOME master. If you apply the patches on top of commit 9c2aae1281d.. you should be fine. This works REALLY well! I <3

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread David Gowers
2009/5/7 Jernej Simončič : > On Thursday, May 7, 2009, 0:24:12, Martin Nordholts wrote: > >> I have been working on implementing the Save + export spec [1] for a while. >> Since it will affect the workflow for basically everyone it would be nice >> with getting some testing and comments before we f

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > Hi > > I have been working on implementing the Save + export spec [1] for a while. > Since it will affect the workflow for basically everyone it would be nice > with getting some testing and comments before we finalize, merge and push to >

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread saulgoode
Quoting Martin Nordholts : > I have been working on implementing the Save + export spec [1] for a while. > : > : > Comments very much appreciated! I haven't GITified my development yet and thus have not tried your implementation. If your request for comments is only on the implementation and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Save + export spec essentials implemented

2009-05-07 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, May 7, 2009, 0:24:12, Martin Nordholts wrote: > I have been working on implementing the Save + export spec [1] for a while. > Since it will affect the workflow for basically everyone it would be nice > with getting some testing and comments before we finalize I built a Windows instal