Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 02:43:12PM +0100, Simon Budig wrote:
> > What would you say to
> >
> >"We did it this way for reasons x, y, and z, but we recognize that
> >what you're asking isn't like the broken spacebar comic. You have
> >options a and b now,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> This is also the reason that core GIMP contributors consider this
>> discussion to already be done and dealt with before it flared up and
>> trolls are keeping it artificially alive. The self selected beta
>> testers that are willing to us
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 09:47:46PM +0800, Øyvind Kolås wrote:
> When such changes have landed in a stable release; there has been a
> quite long period of feedback from the users that follow development
> more closely than the users that only use stable versions of GIMP.
So, that's me, for example
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 02:43:12PM +0100, Simon Budig wrote:
> What would you say to
>
>"We did it this way for reasons x, y, and z, but we recognize that
>what you're asking isn't like the broken spacebar comic. You have
>options a and b now, and we're thinking about some even better
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
> It seems better to say "We did it this way for reasons x, y, and
> z, but we recognize that what you're asking isn't like the broken spacebar
> comic. You have options a and b now, and we're thinking about some even
> better approaches in the future."
Wh
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Someone a while ago had the suggestion of building "sidecar" files with the
> entire undo history of an image. As storage space continues to increase,
> that sounds like a very promising path providing best of all worlds.
Part of the reason
On 02/20/2013 01:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 09:47:10PM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
I don't use the word flippantly, but it seems odd to me how many users seem
to feel devs owe them something (explanations, time, respect). Where's that
entitlement come from?
In open source
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 09:47:10PM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> I don't use the word flippantly, but it seems odd to me how many users seem
> to feel devs owe them something (explanations, time, respect). Where's that
> entitlement come from?
In open source, developers and users should be on the same
Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote:
> Burlen Loring writes:
>
> > I'm sure the author(s) feels that it's the best thing since sliced
> > bread, however, differentiating between save and export in newer gimp
> > is a ridiculous waste of time. it's so annoying and in efficient that
> > I feel the
On Feb 19, 2013 7:31 PM, "Matthew Miller" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:54:41AM +0100, Daniel Hornung wrote:
> > I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already...
> > https://xkcd.com/1172/
>
> So, okay: should the response to that person be:
>
> - You should get longer finger
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:54:41AM +0100, Daniel Hornung wrote:
> I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already...
> https://xkcd.com/1172/
So, okay: should the response to that person be:
- You should get longer fingers
or:
- Okay, so you won't be able to do that anymore, but he
lmao
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Daniel Hornung wrote:
> > I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already...
> >
> > https://xkcd.com/1172/
> >
> > (Or my mail search function is bro
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Daniel Hornung wrote:
> I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already...
>
> https://xkcd.com/1172/
>
> (Or my mail search function is broken, which is possible)
It is broken.
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already...
https://xkcd.com/1172/
(Or my mail search function is broken, which is possible)
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* Noel Stoutenburg [02-18-13 14:03]:
> Christen Anderson wrote:
> >It would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are on
> >this old, worn-out topic.
> The first post I have from Maderios happens to be on this topic in August,
> 2012. Since then, he has made 91 posts, which on
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:26:37 -0700, Christen Anderson wrote:
> It
would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are on
this old, worn-out topic. Please, everyone, complaining is getting you
nowhere and is annoying the rest of us who actually have more productive
things to do
On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 10:34 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
> Sorry, madeiros, but when you write
>
> maderios wrote:
> > When you edit many kinds of files, jpeg, png, xcf, tiff, gif, etc...,
> > you can't spend your time to watch and remember which kind of file
> > you're working on.
>
> I'm n
Christen Anderson wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are
on this old, worn-out topic.
The first post I have from Maderios happens to be on this topic in
August, 2012. Since then, he has made 91 posts, which on a cursory
review, most, if not all, seem to be
It would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are
on this old, worn-out topic. Please, everyone, complaining is getting
you nowhere and is annoying the rest of us who actually have more
productive things to do. Surely there's a way to block certain email
addresses from post
Sorry, madeiros, but when you write
maderios wrote:
> When you edit many kinds of files, jpeg, png, xcf, tiff, gif, etc...,
> you can't spend your time to watch and remember which kind of file
> you're working on.
I'm not buying in. Knowing what the final result will be used for is a
critical p
> Von: maderios
> On 02/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
> >> Von: maderios
> >
> >> 3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice.
> >
> > Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign
> >
> > While I wouldn't say that the team are no developer
2013/2/18 maderios :
> On 02/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
>>>
>>> Von: maderios
>>
>>
>>> 3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice.
>>
>>
>> Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign
>>
>> While I wouldn't say that the team are no dev
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:08 PM, maderios wrote:
> These guys are "architects", they don't need Gimp...
> No artists, photographers, designers.
> Photoshop was made for professional photographers
> That's the difference.
It's been pointed out on a number of occasions that the usabilit
On 02/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
Von: maderios
3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice.
Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign
While I wouldn't say that the team are no developers, they probably aren't by
your definitio
> Von: maderios
> 3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice.
Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign
While I wouldn't say that the team are no developers, they probably aren't by
your definition.
Your problem is that this team managed to convi
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM, maderios wrote:
>> Assign Ctrl+S to the save/export clean (python plugin), and you have a
>> single option. End of problem.
>
> Done since a long time
And so the problem is...?
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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On 02/18/2013 03:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:35 PM, maderios wrote:
I use everyday "save-export-clean.py" plugin. Its' different from gimp-2.6
and other image editors like Krita, Digikam Showfoto, etc.. behavior. It
becomes complicated because you get 5 options
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Cristian Secară wrote:
> În data de Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:45:55 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine a
> scris:
>
>> Assign Ctrl+S to the save/export clean (python plugin), [...]
>> End of problem.
>
> It is not end of problem: the python plugin is not translated, so it
> does
În data de Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:45:55 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine a
scris:
> Assign Ctrl+S to the save/export clean (python plugin), [...]
> End of problem.
It is not end of problem: the python plugin is not translated, so it
does not offer a unitary experience for non-english users :p
Cristi
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On 02/18/2013 09:37 AM, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote:
Burlen Loring writes:
I'm sure the author(s) feels that it's the best thing since sliced
bread, however, differentiating between save and export in newer gimp
is a ridiculous waste of time. it's so annoying and in efficient that
I feel the
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:35 PM, maderios wrote:
> I use everyday "save-export-clean.py" plugin. Its' different from gimp-2.6
> and other image editors like Krita, Digikam Showfoto, etc.. behavior. It
> becomes complicated because you get 5 options :
> - save
> - save as
> - export
> - save/export
On 02/18/2013 02:09 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jeffery Small wrote:
When a major UI change like this is contemplated, why would it not be
implemented as a configuration switch which can be turned on/off on the
Preferences menu? In this particular case, a simple switc
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Psiweapon wrote:
> My main problem with the export faith is that now, one does not simply
> overwrite into a PNG image after enabling transparency.
Could you please elaborate on that? Ideally, in a bug report to
bugzilla.gnome.org.
May the glorious Sikking emanat
Heh, I've mostly adapted to the "new ways" - PRAISE BE TO OUR
SAVIOR THE EXPORT COMMAND! I AM NO LONGER A HEATHEN
BROTHERS! but it's still *very fun *to see this "Smug Developers Vs.
The Stupid Backlash that Wouldn't Die" movie franchise unfold in
countless installments.
My main problem with the e
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:37:25 +0100
Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote:
> 2) use this plugin which implements the old way within GIMP:
>http://www.shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/
>
> 3) use the GIMP fork GIMB which reverts the change completely:
>https://github.com/mardy/gimb
... but if so d
Burlen Loring writes:
> I'm sure the author(s) feels that it's the best thing since sliced
> bread, however, differentiating between save and export in newer gimp
> is a ridiculous waste of time. it's so annoying and in efficient that
> I feel the need to chime in against it and strongly hope th
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
>> I have certain doubts that you understand the point of free (as in
>> speech) software. The reason for my doubts is because you keep talking
>> about the character of the giver.
>>
>> The giver/taker dichotomy is, frankly, artificial. GIMP is
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
>> >> In the nearly 10 years of using the gimp I can't think of a single time
>> >> where this would be useful. I've never had a problem differentiating
>> >> between xcf and other formats. That use case is covered quite nicely by
>> >> "sa
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 03:55:04 +0100
> From: si...@budig.de
> To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save
>
> Daniel Hauck (dan...@yacg.com) wrote:
> > "Owe"? Therein lies a kind of perspective concern. It's not a
>
Daniel Hauck (dan...@yacg.com) wrote:
> "Owe"? Therein lies a kind of perspective concern. It's not a
> question of what is owed, but is what is wanted. The response to
> something which is wanted is what matters here.
Wanted by whom? We had lots of users here expressing their desire in a
tone
On 02/17/2013 09:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
For now, there is no alternative to GiMP.
Krita is a very nice alternative for a number of use cases.
But if one were to appear, can
you imagine what factors might come into play when peo
On 02/17/2013 09:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> Eventually all currently existing software will become obsolete, and
> GIMP is no exception.
I have to question that. Free Software is a very valuable community
toolbox. A project as large and complex as the GIMP represents tens
of thousand
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
> For now, there is no alternative to GiMP.
Krita is a very nice alternative for a number of use cases.
> But if one were to appear, can
> you imagine what factors might come into play when people decide what to
> use? GiMP doesn't exist enti
On 02/17/2013 08:09 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jeffery Small wrote:
When a major UI change like this is contemplated, why would it not be
implemented as a configuration switch which can be turned on/off on the
Preferences menu? In this particular case, a simple switc
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jeffery Small wrote:
> When a major UI change like this is contemplated, why would it not be
> implemented as a configuration switch which can be turned on/off on the
> Preferences menu? In this particular case, a simple switch could reverse
> the Save and Export
On 02/17/2013 07:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Jeffery Small wrote:
In the nearly 10 years of using the gimp I can't think of a single time
where this would be useful. I've never had a problem differentiating
between xcf and other formats. That use case is
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Jeffery Small wrote:
>>> In the nearly 10 years of using the gimp I can't think of a single time
>>> where this would be useful. I've never had a problem differentiating
>>> between xcf and other formats. That use case is covered quite nicely by
>>> "save a copy".
Alexandre Prokoudine writes:
>On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Burlen Loring wrote:
>> In the nearly 10 years of using the gimp I can't think of a single time
>> where this would be useful. I've never had a problem differentiating
>> between xcf and other formats. That use case is covered quite
I hate to be "that guy" but this will most likely never change. I don't want to
say I hate that feature but it did cause quite the inconvenience for me when it
first came out. Over time, I got used to it and now, it's second nature for me
to click Export instead of Save when I need to export an
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Burlen Loring wrote:
> In the nearly 10 years of using the gimp I can't think of a single time
> where this would be useful. I've never had a problem differentiating between
> xcf and other formats. That use case is covered quite nicely by "save a
> copy".
But it
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