The Mirg Festival among Hindus, celebrates the onset of the monsoon and occurs
a day prior to the San Joao festival. Both signifiy a new crop-planting year.
So IMHO, the Church wrapped itself around a pre-existing rural-agricultural
festival; and gave the native practices some Christian
Hi Elisabeth,
I am glad to know that you are a cafeteria Catholic ani full blown buffet
agnostic. I am not diagnosing you, lest our friends accuse me of long
distance medical practice.
Yet, I suggest you go on a religion diet only consuming what you can mostly
digest. The undigested, as we
Hi Santosh,
Thanks for responding to my post and advancing the dialogue by being specific
in your responses. Hopefully this dialogue will educate the rest of us, who
may be misinformed if not ignorant of atheism or religion. Hope this exchange
will educate me and others who may follow this
You and I have to get our definitions the same before we proceed on this topic.
If you call Buddhist and Jains as atheists, then we definitely have a semantic
problem.
I am not interested in a theological or theoretical dissertation on what is
religion.
With your rock solid answers and the raw
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Hi Jose,
Thanks for your research on Kevin's history. Looks like he has been kissing the
blarney stone once-too-often. And we supurlem Goenkars (except for Mario) have
been swallowing his philosophies hook-line-and-sinker. So Kevin's theories is
just a lot of kaneo. I am glad to note, you
Hi Cornel
How about many Stupa Hindu Temples within church walls in Goa?
And to jog your memory, how about YOUR statement?
Catholic Churches built over temples, as an arrogant displacement of Hindu
shrines.
Is this history, religion, neither or both?
Or is this your Anti-Catholic left hook?
Hi Elisaeth,
It is unfortunate that your views get crystallized in a reader's mind and then
one is pigeon-holed. It would appear that you would like to argue an issue ...
both ways. Sometimes, you do it in the same post. How can you forget my
ACDC comment? Yet, not the way you intrepreted
, sustain,
persevere.
It is this that perhaps Santosh means is innate in human beings, to be found
across cultures and instinctively delved into when the situation calls for it
or the answer is not provided in the infrastructural set-up.
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Human
Part I - response to Elisabeth
Part II - response to Bosco
Response to Bosco regarding unanswered questions will be another post.
Why does a society develop cultural and social norms at the given time?
Irrespective of which society and religion developed these norms, they were
developed to
Hi Elisabeth and Joe
Disrespect is in the eye of the reader. It is not what that author meant, as
we used to believe in the past. It's like discrimination, (race, sex or
religion), it is how does the individual recipient / victim feels about it.
Some may be so accustomed to reading and writing
Goanetters visiting Viva Goa 2006 in Toronto, Canada on July 29, can use
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Happy Birthday: St Britto's, which is 60 years old. Celebrations at St
Jerome's Church Mapusa 11 am on July 30, 2006. Football match Loyola's
vs. Britto's 11 am on July 31, 2006 at the school grounds.
Hi Mario, (aka Mufasa, the Lion King)
I was completely flabbergasted to have recently discovered, three Goanetters
(and likely a few more) who masquerade as atheists. I will excuse Sunith, as
the guy is too young to know about Catholicism or atheism. At his age, many are
atheists. It helps
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Mogall Elisabeth ani Cornel,
Goanet is good place for some basic amateur discussions. At some point, anyone
seeking detailed answers, should go to experts rather than make Gabru, Pedru,
Prabhu ani Milagrin, Ethelvin, Pravin an expert. Similarly, Goanet IMHO is
not a forum for petoita
Mogal Elisabeth,
Perhaps you do not read all my posts.
I don’t blame you! But you do break my heart in that regard. :=))
In one recent post, I confessed, I was not a scholar on religion.
And the religion questions should be answered by theologians and not by
supurlem Goenkars like me.
Now
Hi Radha,
Thanks for reading my post.
And then fighting your temptation not to respond.
That's really incredible.:-))
That's better than the guy who responds to my post saying Nobody reads your
post.
That's whom I call a sucker.:=))
There is humor in small things in life.
Kind Regards,
forum, one would assume that what posters practice
remains unknown to other cyber posters.
Hang a scarlet letter around their cyber necks. Or at the very least give them
a chance to defend themselves.
--
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am
Hi Cornel,
We know you are a bright and an articulate Goan. So, if you want to share your
thoughts with us, please feel free to do so. You do not have to create a straw
man, to aim your arguments against. You have misrepresented my comments and
placed my train of thoughts completely out of
Hi Santosh,
Once again we are into exceptions making the rule. Atheism to the vast
majority of believers and non-believers involves NO soul, NO After-life, NO God.
Atheistic religions has a SEMANTIC problem, and some may say is an oxymoron.
To this supurlo Goenkar, religion covers theology
Without doubt, the issue of moral and religious codes has been a vigorous /
robust issue that we had fun debating. Yet the experience
brought to light several issues which may be for consideration and interest to
goanetters.
There were many good points brought out. I got an education about
Hi Elisabeth,
Thanks for your post and clarifying your agnostic position. At your request,
here I am to your rescue, talking about something you are familiar. My thoughts
(GL) to your comments (EC) follow each of your statements.
Kind Regards, GL
-- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Hi Santosh,
We have resolved the semantics about Buddhism and Jainism- finally! And thanks
for telling us that atheism covers a wide range from being a religion to a
belief in nothing. As Mario said, we do not really know the exact situation
till the atheist is arrested and questioned under
Hi Elisabeth,
Thanks for your final response on the religion thread. My reply was merely a
response to your prior post on that thread. My reaction to an atheist is
benign neglect and I have expressed this before. It is no different as
towards someone who smokes, divorced, lives a homosexual
Hi Elisabeth,
Great to read your post and congratulations about your decisions. Perhaps it
was your controversial posts that kept many issues alive with new perspectives.
We certainly can learn much form you. Many have little creativity, and they
only react to other peoples's post. This
Now that this discussion on Hitler is into a more intellectual stage, I would
like to add my two cents.
From my first-hand conversations with German-Americans who lived in Germany
during the war, one needs to separate the Third Reich rule in the first half
from the second half of the regime.
under the carpet?:=)) Yet, he
may be making his not uncommon U turn and agreeing with us.
Kind Regards, GL
--- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from Gilbert Lawrence.
All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence) would IGNORE an
atheist
this from me (JC): [I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from
Gilbert Lawrence. ...All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence)
would IGNORE an atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives a
homosexual life style or cheats on his spouse.]
Aristo
Hi Selma,
I concur with you on some of the unnecessary testosterone-fueled subject
range on Goanet. Hence we certainly did not need some nom de plume to
further fuel-inject these topics or the dialogue.
All we pleaded from you and other male or female loji vokols is to use your
real names,
Hi Aristo,
Thanks for your kind post. Before I proceed to address it, I would like to
clarify a few issues from you.
1. As seem to be hinted in one post, are you writing under a nom de plume?
2. What is your belief affiliation?
3. If you are a practicing Catholic, can you tell us what ministry
Hi Gabe,
I was wondering, after the recent attempt at airline bombings in London, when a
post like yours would appear on Goanet. Most of the suspects were British of
Pakistani origin. However some reports, we have been seeing on US tele, were
the assimilation of the 2 million Asians in UK.
Hi Aristo,
Thanks for the information in your post. It was very helpful.
Since your list of question, there was a post of mine which explained my
rationale to my views about relations with other individuals. That post may
answer some of your questions.
The questions in your post, had some
Hi Peter,
If I fall off my chair (laughing), and I break a bone, I will certainly blame
you (for the following post). You mean to say the professional researchers and
College Professors on Hitler overlooked these speeches of the Nazi leader?
Thanks for enlightening us with your short and
Hi Fred and other goanet administrators,
Please... please ...please ENFORCE the rules.
No society can progress without rules.
And if the rules are not going to be enforced, they should be removed.
Having it both ways is the way things used to be done.
Living / writing to rules imparts a
Some recent posts claimed that cheating on one's spouse harms the other, while
other activities like smokers who smoke in private do not harm others. As a
physician, I found that to be quite naive. Yet I can understand that common
impression. Many Goenkars smoke and perhaps may have similar
Hi Selma,
Thanks for telling me that I am mellowed and my writings are mild. Others could
follow your example to eliminate the virulence from their posts and confine
their writings to the topic.
On occasion, I have difficulty figuring if you (and a few others) write on an
issue to show your
and argumentum ad verecundiam. Once you recognise
these forms of logic at work, you will quickly be able to filter facts from
hype and be able to take a stand for the right.
--- Gilbert Lawrence wrote:
Those who cannot produce quotes of Hitler to contradict what you have posted
be, too far
from the sun for intelligent life to thrive.
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Selma,
On occasion, I have difficulty figuring if you (and
a few others) write on an issue to show your
concern, or if you pen to display your English
writing talents
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Hi Reena,
I guess many join and participate on the goanet for their own varied reasons.
To all it is a pastime. Goanet fits between helping our spouses do the
household chores like putting the garbage out, painting, gardening. In my case
this summer, it was building a 5 ft by 60 ft
Once again, to compare Religion and Science is to compare apples and oranges.
So it is those who engage in this comparison (or a debate between the two) who
have the big problem - and not Religion nor Science. Would one compare
(debate) which is better biology or mathematics? Or the sense of
Hi Santosh,
I avoid giving a response to your response to my post. Yet I could not resist
your long explanation of what you got from my post.
Like in many fields, medicine has many scientific fads which do not stand the
test of time. With the passage of time we learn from those
authoritative sources, may need to be
cross-checked for accuracy.
Regards, Gilbert Lawrence,
Hi Miguel,
Your message below with the Mog asundi was very touching. Likely you have
given this (mercy not sacrifice) a deep thought. So let me ask your (and
anybody else who would like to volunteer their) opinion. This is a special
invitation to attorneys and those in the law-and-order
It is great to see the youth of today, in all faiths, find a more deeper
meaning to life. This is seen in the world in general, including India and
Goanet. Atheists, agnostics and other variants of 'live and let live (for
today)', together with the Hollywood mentality (where everything goes),
Selma, thanks for your usual insightful comments. It is the weekend and
the weather in Upstate NY is raining. So our plans to go the the beach with the
grand-children, who are spending their summer vacation with us, had to be
scrapped. I had some time to read a few more post and respond to
The practice of polygamy was common in non-Christian societies and was
sanctioned by their religion and law. The strict teachings and adherence of
the early Christian Church on monogamy, made the new religion more endearing to
women (than men); even though some accuse the early church of
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Likely the three stalwarts on Goanet who live there, know what is best for Goa
as expressed in their opinions on this thread. Yet, I have to I disagree with
the logic regarding this topic Conflict of Interest.
Whom would Rajan like to see on Regional Plan committee? And what should
/ would
Analyzing hagiographies (biographies and literal writings of holy people) is
great and exquisitely intriguing in working out or interpret the thinking /
machinations at work during that period in time.
Rather than crediting the socio-political clout of the Jesuits or the Spanish
vis-a-vis
These are some important questions to ask. No one should be defensive about
these hard questions, providing an answer and more importantly a solution. The
ones outside Mississauga who attended the conference, likely did so because
they were invited speakers.
Perhaps one way to get more
that this year's Viva Goa was canceled. What a pity.
Regards, GL
-- Gilbert Lawrence
I hope the moderators exercise their prerogatives, to provide a climate on the
internet, for more unity among Goans. From the spate of recent posts it looks
like more needs to be done in this regard
Hi Maria,
With the traditional Goan politeness, I ask you to please enlighten us on the
individual and collective achievements of Goans that were recognized in
Lisbon and Toronto? This phrase was repeated several times in your article.
If the Casa de Goa was celebrating Goan achievements,
Hi Eugene,
You provided a service to Goans by giving us the story behind the story and a
segway for others who provided the 'not so pleasant facts' like the poor
attendance. Hope all exchanges, that followed your post, help the next
convention. If all this dialog had occurred after the
Hi Maria.
I placed some issues and ideas for consideration, hoping future Goan
conventions will benefit.
Goan conventions place emphasis on preserving Goan identity in the diaspora;
which they should and I am all in favor. Yet some committee members spend the
year writing on Goanet why
Hi Lisette,
At the outset let me thank you and the other committee members for the yeomen
task of holding the recent Goan convention in Toronto. I think you should be
proud of yourselves for being part of the effort. Two decades from now, as one
reviews the Goan history in Canada, your names
I was told this word arose because Goans were bread-eaters rather than chapati-
or nan-eaters. When the Goan went to the store, or to the chai-pani
restaurants, their refrain was maca pao di.
The Mysoreans I think were called Udipis because of their choice of food.
The Parsis were more
Hi All,
I just completed reading Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction,
now read the facts. The authors are James L Garlow and Peter Jones. ISBN
0-78144-165-X. All those who have read Da Vinci Code (or author Dan Brown's
(DB) interviews during the book promotion) and are
Chapter 1. - Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction, now read the
facts by GJ
Da Vinci Code and Guardian of the Dawn are half-facts, which gives them an air
of authenticity, mixed with fiction and speculation, which is woven into the
story either as direct statements or as
Notes From Chapter 2 of Cracking Da Vinci's Code by GJ
False statements of DB in the Da Vinci Code:
1. The sexual union between man and woman in the only way to achieve 'gnosis' -
the knowledge of the divine (pg 308)
2. Church through the ages recasts sex between man and woman as a 'shameful
Summary of Chapter 3 in Cracking Da Vinci's Code by GJ
Continuing false claims in Da Vinci Code.
1. Prior to the Church, there was a matriarchal culture that the church
attempted to crush. (pg 124)
2. The church hunted down and killed more than 5 million women over three
centuries as part of
Notes of Chapt 4: Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction, now
read the facts
by GJ
False statements of DB in the 'Da Vinci Code'
1. Jesus' Divinity is the result of a close vote of the bishops. (pg 233)
2. The early Church hijacked Jesus' message and shrouded it with Divinity. (pg
To begin with, I wish we ended the title of this thread as it is no longer and
in no way connected to the contents of the posts.
In keeping with my other series of posts, that I am writing, with all due
respects to Kamath, I have to repeat the by-line You told us the fiction, now
lets see the
Notes of Chapter 6: Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction, now
read the facts
by GJ
False statements of DB in the 'Da Vinci Code':
1. The Bible is a product of man .. (pg 241)
2. The New Testament is false testimony (pg 342)
3 The bible was compiled by men with a political agenda
Hi Mello
I think you mis-read my post. Please read it again.
Yet I am glad my post led you to write an excellent review of early Portuguese
history in Goa.
Surely Mangloreans are a Goan diaspora; contrary to what Kamath would have us
believe.
Regards, GL
-- MD\Mello,
I was in
Notes From Chapter 7 Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction, now
read the facts by GJ
False statements of DB (Dan Brown) in the Da Vinci Code:
1. More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament; but were
turned down by the Church and later destroyed.. (pg 231).
2.
Selma, I knew some smart minds would respond to this thread. Thanks for
reading the posts on this 'hot' topic. I empathize with you for your really
vile mood. You are forgiven. Saiba bhogos!
Did my writings on this topic touch a raw nerve? Do I detect a bit of 'gnostic
defense' in your
Hi Ivo,
Thanks for your words of encouragement. I am sure you know all what I have
written, in your study about the history of the early Church.
I am amazed how many people went ga... ga about Da Vinci Code. As human, we
are always intrigued by something new or the latest. We then overlook,
This post is written with my tongue firmly implanted in my cheek.
I have not been following this topic. It is the weekend, so I decided to check
this drawn out thread. With all this beating, I was intrigued. Those in
North America may have watched the nationally acclaimed stand-up comedian
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In a quick review of the posts on Goanet, I browsed Santosh's post advising
Catholics how to take on Bhandare.
Perhaps this has been done. I do not follow goanet posts closely.
Why does not Santosh take on Bhandare and save the rest of us from the anguish?
Nothing stops Santosh from taking on
to perhaps read books like Domnic's
Goa! --FN
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Fred's post appeared to yearn for Goa to be like America - economically.
This, so Goa could have the same supposedly free-wheeling sexual mores. Yet,
he and others should hope they do
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Kind Regards, GL
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Hi Gilbert: For purposes of clarification only, can I assume that you do not
except yourself from your words of wisdom below?
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Over the weekend, I had the chance opportunity to watch a nationally televised
debate of David vs Goliath proportion. This was not the politicians running for
President. Rather it was a debate at Kings College in New York City between
Goenkar Dinesh D Souza and British-American Christopher
Hi Cornel,
Thanks for your response to my post.
To be specific to the points you raise, my (GL) reply to each of them follow
your (CD) comments.
I hope you have your 'humor button' switched-on.
Kind Regards, GL
--- CORNEL DACOSTA wrote:
CD: Hi Gilbert, delighted to see you
Hi Santosh,
You may deny this.
I think the following is another example that displays YOUR casteism -
inflating your own ego by demeaning other Goans.
As a research scientist, would it not be better if your opinions / views of
these guys followed a more in-depth reading of their written works?
Hi Peter,
My comments follow your points.
Kind Regards, GL
--- Peter D'Souza wrote:
PD: I was wondering whether my own bias was the only thing that told me that
Dinesh D'Souza had won the debate, so I hopped over to Richard Dawkins' website
and read through about 150 of the
Selma,
Unless you can create the WHOLE universe, then perhaps giving advice to God,
isn't such a good idea.
After you have answered your dilemmas below, perhaps you can tackle the
following.
It is difficult to understand GOD.
He makes such beautiful things as women, and then he turns them
buying the book anyway.
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Over the weekend, I had the chance opportunity to watch a nationally
televised debate of David vs Goliath proportion. This was not the politicians
running for President. Rather it was a debate at Kings College in New York
-- Santosh Helekar wrote
I submit that the only thing that prevents you from doing it is the instinctive
disgust you feel in your stomach. (about cannibalism)
GL responds:
If cannibalism causes the instinctive disgust you feel in your stomach, then
certainly
--- Carvalho wrote:
A more fitting response would have been Frazer's viewpoint that
anthropologically speaking, evidence points to the fact that all societies
evolve to arrive at the same moral values. Some just take a lot longer. The
Fijians would ultimately stop using human
of
cultures, including ...
Christianity can take credit in part of course but like everyone else it must
stand in line to share this credit and not try to assign it to their imaginary
friend Jesus.
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The disparity in donation rates
Santosh,
Your attack on me about organ donation, as often misses the larger point that I
was trying to make. The 'organ donation for a price' is that there is no
hindrance to parting with one's organs in India. But there is hindrance to part
with something merely for an altruistic reason;
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