[ifwp] Re: Commentary on ICC submission

1999-01-18 Thread jeff Williams
Microsoft. Not to mention that Bill manning has on many occasions disputed this individuals claim. He still claims he owns right to .WEB, which of course are false. Christopher Ambler wrote: I would be happy to drop the whole "Jeff Williams" issue, if the individual posting as such would sto

[ifwp] Re: NSI's DNSO Position

1999-01-18 Thread jeff Williams
Taft and all, Well Taft, what can be done is to register an official contest to the contract that the ICANN is entering into with the NIST, would be one step, all be a temporary one. Another step would be to get a petition up to send to the NTIA protesting the thus far actions that the ICANN

[ifwp] Re: NSI's DNSO Position

1999-01-18 Thread jeff Williams
Taft and all, Taft Charles Frederick wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, jeff Williams wrote: Taft and all, Well Taft, what can be done is to register an official contest to the contract that the ICANN is entering into with the NIST, would be one step, all be a temporary one

[ifwp] Re: Is this any way to run a railroad? [long]

1999-01-18 Thread jeff Williams
Roeland and all, Very good story Roeland!!! And We agree that this does get right to the point. I t is my personal hope that all took the time to read it and head its lesson!! Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: Hello all, There is a question at the end. This is a longish story. Please read it,

[ifwp] Re: A Slow Day at Microsoft? (was Re: Multi-level list filtering)

1999-01-19 Thread jeff Williams
Roberto and all, Roberto Gaetano wrote: Stephen Page wrote: > Presently, ICANN has a closed list. ORSC has an open list. > DNSO.ORG has a closed list. > Point of clarification: If you are referring to the main mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), you are wrong, because the list is open. About

[ifwp] Re: Closed January 21 Washington meeting

1999-01-22 Thread jeff Williams
Jay and all, Thanks for the report Jay. However the CLOSED meeting seemed, from these comments you are making here to be pretty much worthless with respect to any real resolution and unlikely to improve given the situation. It is odd to us anyway that the ORSC would participate in such a CLOSED

[ifwp] Re: Closed January 21 Washington meeting

1999-01-22 Thread jeff Williams
Alex and all, Alex Kamantauskas wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, jeff Williams wrote: Jay and all, Thanks for the report Jay. However the CLOSED meeting seemed, from these comments you are making here to be pretty much worthless with respect to any real resolution and unlikely

[ifwp] Re: Closed January 21 Washington meeting

1999-01-22 Thread jeff Williams
ALex and all, Alex Kamantauskas wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, jeff Williams wrote: Alex and all, Alex Kamantauskas wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, jeff Williams wrote: Jay and all, It is odd to us anyway that the ORSC would participate in such a CLOSED meeting given

[ifwp] Re: [Membership] Membership Models

1999-01-22 Thread jeff Williams
not be possible while an investigation was underway. This is standard procedure form what I have told, although I find it unnecessary. So, if you had been paying attention you would have read that particular post a bit closer. On 22-Jan-99 jeff Williams wrote: William and all, Well william

[ifwp] Re: Closed January 21 Washington meeting

1999-01-22 Thread jeff Williams
Mikki and all, Mikki Barry wrote: Well, I for one thank the ORSC for letting us know what went on behind closed doors. That action, to me, shows good faith. In this case, I choose to believe that the ORSC is a little bit pregnant. Some of us in ORSC have difficulty with that analogy :-).

[ifwp] Re: DNSO Important update: The Merged Draft

1999-01-23 Thread jeff Williams
Bill and all, Good points here Bill, I couldn't agree more with your assesment. Bill Lovell wrote: At 06:25 PM 1/21/99 -0400, you wrote: * * * ** 1/19/99: "ICANN is not a governance institution, but a narrowly focused technical body charged with certain policymaking and coordination

[ifwp] Re: DNSO Important update: The Merged Draft

1999-01-23 Thread jeff Williams
Antony and all, Antony Van Couvering wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mikki > Barry > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 9:35 PM > To: IFWP Discussion List > Subject: [ifwp] Re: DNSO Important update: The "Merged" Draft > > > >

[ifwp] Re: AIP

1999-01-23 Thread jeff Williams
Andrew and all, Andrew Q. Kraft, MAIP, Executive Director wrote: Jeff, FIrst of all how can you determine if a particular company has common set of standards if there are no industry wide excepted set of standards to judge any other companies set of standards? Because the AIP's ACAC

[ifwp] Re: icc comments in text

1999-01-23 Thread jeff Williams
All, William is exactly accurate in his comment regarding Kent Crispin and Amadeu. They are both long term and continued supporters of the "Capture" attempt of the DNS system by CORE and the gTLD-MoU. With Kent Crisping being PAB chair. Their one sided agenda is well documented and when the

[ifwp] Re: Fiddling while the 'NIC burns.

1999-01-24 Thread jeff Williams
Richard and all, Not to worry Richard, I doubt that no one except Patrick is suspicious of you representing NSI. Patrick has on what appears on too many occasions accused others of many things falsely. This seems to be a disturbing and unfortunate tendency that he possess Richard J.

[ifwp] Re: [Membership] Membership Models

1999-01-23 Thread jeff Williams
Jim and all, Jim Dixon wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Darrell Greenwood wrote: [Dixon, writing about a larger vs smaller ICANN membership:] > >I don't know if ICANN would be wiser. It would certainly have more > >credibility. But the problem of verifying the identity of members > >becomes more

[ifwp] Re: Esther's Remarks

1999-01-24 Thread jeff Williams
of Registrars (CORE) Network Solutions, Inc. (NSI) Policy Oversight Committee (POC) World Information Technology and Services Alliance (WITSA) ------ From: jeff Williams[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [E

[ifwp] Re: Impressions from Washington

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Roberto and all, Roberto Gaetano wrote: Folks, I liked Jay's summary. Let me add few lines to Bret's comments. Bret Fausett wrote: > Jay Fenello wrote: > >My impression of this process was that there are only > >a few, major philosophical differences that must be > >resolved. One is whether the

[ifwp] Re: Fwd: Report on Teleconference

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Jay and all, I suppose I am being skeptical here, However I cannot see that any comments by Bret or actions or considerations have any real impact at this juncture regarding an DNSO or other SO effort at this point considering that we (INEGroup) and mhsc, as well as ORSC have all filed

[ifwp] Re: Andy Oram: Notes from ICANN membership discussion (fwd)

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Stef and all, Thank you for passing this post along Stef, it is indeed interesting and contains so interesting an potentially useful ideas. ;) I would like to expound on one of those ideas that has been mentioned many times before by others and I had spoken to Mike Roberts about once on

[ifwp] Re: Impressions from Washington

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Jay and all, Thank you for submitting this impression Jay. It is much appreciated by many I am sure. As to your conclusion on these impressions. In what manner will a "Consensus" be determined? Without a viable method on measuring that there is "Consensus" for any draft, there cannot be

[ifwp] Re: Jan 21 closed meeting minutes, Part Two

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Antony and all, Pardon me if I say I do not trues your "Rendition" here of the CLOSED meeting minuets. Is there a audio recording of these meetings or was there a registered stenographer present? If not than this is just your "Recollection", and not really any creditable meeting minuets.

[ifwp] RE: Impressions from Washington

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Jay and all, I guess I would have to ask, "is this really the point"? I am a Trademark Holder and paten holder, yet I do NOT agree with the intent or verbiage of the WIPO report, not to mention it overstepped its mandate in the White Paper. Many companies that I have personally talked to their

[ifwp] Re: ICANN Mailing List

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Diane and all, This is NOT a mailing list, Diane. :( [EMAIL PROTECTED] is mearly a depository of comments, nothing more. Diane Cabell wrote: Jay Fenello wrote: > Go figure, > > The IFWP list just came back on line. > > That does not change my message however. > We need a list of record. The

[ifwp] Re: NSI Technical Advisory Group: once again ICANN st acks the deck

1999-01-27 Thread jeff Williams
Chuck and all, Chuck, don't take Kent too seriously, he really doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time. Most people on these lists don't take Kent seriously either. Gomes, Chuck wrote: Kent, You don't have a clue what you are talking about with regard to NSI and I am

[ifwp] Re: Wired - ICANN to Unveil New Rules

1999-01-28 Thread jeff Williams
Martin and all, Interesting article. However the ICANN is not in a possition to make these decisions at present as there is yet to be a membership Organization in place. Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: from Wired.com: ICANN to Unveil New Rules by Joanna Glasner 3:00 a.m. 28.Jan.99.PST

[ifwp] Re: committees

1999-01-29 Thread jeff Williams
Esther and all, it is interesting in the the ICANN is not yet completely formulated yet that the ICANN "Initial" and Interim board can act independently and "Appoint" members to committees that have not stakeholder approval. This sort of action leads many of us to further distrust you members

[ifwp] Re: Accreditation guidelines

1999-01-30 Thread jeff Williams
Michael and all, Agreed in part Michael. It should be that the ELECTED permanent board that offers a potential set of policies for the Individual Membership Organization to vote on for approval. IS IT TIME TO TRASHCAN THE ICANN?? Michael Sondow wrote: Esther Dyson a crit: > > To reiterate:

[ifwp] Re: maximizing constituencies: (was Re: minimizing constituencies)

1999-01-30 Thread jeff Williams
Stef and all, Interesting verbal exercise that can be summed up thus: Any definition of reasonable "Constituencies" as a part of a membership structure, is and exercise in futility... Those whom refuse to learn the lessons of history are domed to repeat them Einar Stefferud wrote: On the

[ifwp] Re: ccTLDs vs gTLDs

1999-01-30 Thread jeff Williams
Roeland and all, Good points here Roeland. ANd We would argue that your point actually apply nearly as equally with gTLD's as well, hence I assume part of your reasoning for considering them a moot point given your scenario? At any rate, gTLD's that are hosted on additional Roots outside the US

[ifwp] Re: *Draft* New Draft

1999-01-30 Thread jeff Williams
Jay and all, Where is this draft posted on a "DNSO" or other site, or is it? BTW, this draft does not reflect any of our provisions (INEGroup) Draft Jay Fenello wrote: Hello everyone, What follows is an attempt to combine the concepts found in several DNSO drafts. I have not read this

[ifwp] Re: [dnso.discuss] Draft New Draft

1999-01-30 Thread jeff Williams
Andrew and all, Thank you for this information regarding "Partially merged" draft. I use that term "Partially Merged" Draft as it does not include any of the provisions of our draft that was submitted upon request to the DNSO.ORG [EMAIL PROTECTED], by request... In specific areas in brief

[ifwp] Re: ccTLDs vs gTLDs

1999-01-30 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, One "Salient Point" that seems to fly in the face of on of you contentions here is that " There is no precedence to suggest that any of this would be taken seriously by anyone, and that is what I am trying to point out." In lew of this questionable statement, William, how

[ifwp] Re: Proposed?

1999-01-31 Thread jeff Williams
Bill and all, Bill Lovell wrote: At 04:37 PM 1/31/99 -0600, you wrote: >Bob Allisat wrote: > >> If I understand you correctly Eric you are proposing >> that the IFWP become the membership of ICANN... > >Yes. > >Molly, if it isn't already there, would you add this as an option >to be considered

[ifwp] [Fwd: Fw: Top Down vs. Bottom Up]

1999-01-31 Thread jeff Williams
All, We thought that these words from Jim Flemming can be useful... Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd.

[ifwp] Re: Don't worry. You haven't.

1999-01-31 Thread jeff Williams
Eric an all, I will take that bet if open membership is allowed. What can you afford to bet Eric? Make it easy on yourself Eric Weisberg wrote: Bill Lovell wrote: Not to poke a hole here, but what about all the great, unwashed millions who own modems and flit about the internet

[ifwp] RE: IPv8 0:197 .WEB Discussion List

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Ellen and all, Ellen Rony wrote: Bill Lovell wrote: There are people in this group who are very sensitive to this sort of thing: the admixture of gray ribbons and book selling seemed inappropriate to many, including the one who sells the books. . . Mr. Lovell, I have participated on

[ifwp] Re: questions about national sovereignty

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Stef and all, It appears that from the content of comments made by Esther and others from the Berkman Center that your worst fears are indeed the direction in which the ICANN is wanting to drive the direction of DNS management and there registry/registrar budding industry towards, that of a

[ifwp] Re: Jan 21 closed meeting minutes, Part Two

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Ellen and all, Got to go with Ellen on this one. The Quakmire that the DNSO.ORG has been sence in inception, is not one that engenders trust or openness. However it does follow the actions of the ICANN. Interesting that!! Ellen Rony wrote: Antony Van Couvering wrote: You have been

[ifwp] Re: Polling [was IFWP Mailing List]

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Ellen and all, We agree with Ellen here as well, and we should also reach out to other lists and Stakeholders, which I don't believe that Ellens Poll did but ours did (See results below these comments, which I have also posted previously). Ellens questions suggested below are good ones as a

[ifwp] Second Response to:Polling [was IFWP Mailing List]

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
All, Please sexcuse my leaving out this in my last response to this post... == INEGroup has finnished a survey that spanned some 10K domain name holders regarding a Pre-Payment registration policy for Domain Names for now an in the future. See Results below: Potential size of survey

[ifwp] Re: Polling [was IFWP Mailing List]

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Ellen, Michael and all, It might be helpful to add some URL references so that those on other lists that and current non-list-participants, as stakeholders can make a more informed possition. Some URL's that might be handy to include would be the following:

Re: Polling the list

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Joop and all, GREAT! Thanks for participating. Would it be possible for you to provide your results from you site on this poll to us. You may send it privately if you choose so that I can get it tabulated in with there rest or our results for our report processing? Thanks again Joop! ;)

Re: Consensus Call (was: Draft New Draft)

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Patrick and all, Patrick is of course inaccurate here. Do yourself a favor and disregard these musings... Patrick Greenwell wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, jeff Williams wrote: In the next two or three days INEGroup will be finishing up our suggestion for a "Consensus

Re: PAB [kent@songbird.com: Onward]

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Roberto and all, I am trimming the cc list on this reply to reduce duplicate receipts. The information regarding the "Poised" mailing list of the IETF can be found at : http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/poisson-charter.html For those interested. The current posted draft for a PSO is located

Re: I message to all regarding my invitation to the IPv8 discuss

1999-02-01 Thread jeff Williams
Willam and all, Yes, let do clear the air indeed. The IETF may not realize IPv8, and indeed this is true, and points to one of several problems that the IETF currently has, as it does not necessarily recognize other efforts frequently. Hence one of many reasons why a need a more broad

Re: A little off topic: was NSI Domain Name Dispute Stats

1999-02-03 Thread jeff Williams
Roeland and all, I Have been saying this for about 3 years. Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: At 02:02 PM 2/2/99 -0500, Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: Trademarks can not be usurped, in law, even if they are not registered. This brings me to a point that is a little off topic from this thread, and

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Supermajorities

1999-02-03 Thread jeff Williams
Er. Lisse and all, Are we now going to get into a long definition war as to what "Rough Consensus" is by definition? It appears so Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Einar Stefferud writes: I much prefer to use the "Rough Consensus and Running Code" rule!

[Fwd: [Fwd: Press Release: ICANN Taps Twomey to Lead its Govt. Advisory Comm ittee]]

1999-02-03 Thread jeff Williams
All, I t looks like the ICANN is making MORE selections for us all! How nice of them to do so without our consent or even input. Seems like another of more to come violations of the White Paper. IS IT TIME TO TRASHCAN THE ICANN? Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR.

Re: [ifwp] NSI Domain Name Dispute Stats

1999-02-03 Thread jeff Williams
Mikki and all, Is it time to start a ANTI-ICANN phone campaign and a NTIA-STOP-THE-ICANN campaign? IS IT TIME TO TRASHCAN THE ICANN?? Regards, Mikki Barry wrote: >Ron Fitzherbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>What would be the problem with the following (from a TM/legal standpoint): > >>I file

Re: ICANN Jan. 17 minutes and open ICANN board meetings

1999-02-03 Thread jeff Williams
Ellen and all, Good question. But you are asking the wrong people. You should have addressed this question directly to the ICANN Interim Board, not this list. Ellen Rony wrote: Several months ago, ICANN, more specifically the Chair, was interviewing executive search firms to select

Re: ICANN flame on ICANN Announces Public Outreach Effort /flame

1999-02-03 Thread jeff Williams
Esther and all, You miss the point entirely again Esther. The main point is that you have NO right to HIRE or APPOINT anyone without the MEMBERSHIPS approval, which you DO NOT have as it is not even in place yet Esther Dyson wrote: You cancomplain about us either for not saying enough or

Re: ICANN flame on ICANN Announces Public Outreach Effort /flame

1999-02-03 Thread jeff Williams
Gordon et al, You got it just about right Gordo! As Hitler once said, tell a lie often enough and soon everyone will believe it. But that only lasts for a time. They shall reap the whirlwind, mark my words... Gordon Cook wrote: To my flame, esther kindly replied. You can complain about

[ifwp] Re: Removal of ICANN Board Members Appointed by DNSO

1999-01-04 Thread jeff Williams
Milkki and all, Yes, it should be made explicit in the bylaws. Mikki Barry wrote: Why would'nt they? It seems appropriate as that member is there to represent the viewpoint of the DNSO and its members. I'm not saying they wouldn't...I'm asking whether we should make that explicit in the

[ifwp] Re: Good news

1999-01-05 Thread jeff Williams
Kent and all, Kent Crispin wrote: On Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 07:08:13PM -0500, Michael Sondow wrote: Kent Crispin a écrit: It was "consensualized". From the notes: Glen: There is no general constraint on DNSO member participation in multiple constituencies, but constituencies

[ifwp] Re: Is it possible to de-monopolize DNS?

1999-01-05 Thread jeff Williams
James and all, Looks pretty good as far as it goes... Unfortunately it doesn't go very far. Please keep us informed as to the progress of this paper. ;) James Seng wrote: This is the unedited memo on a idea which we developed while working on multilingual domain names. The edited paper

[ifwp] Open and Classless DNSO bylaws proposal

1999-01-05 Thread jeff Williams
All, Attached is an proposal very similar that I have put together and is now being considered by our group as and open and "Classless" DNSO bylaws proposal. THis proposal is very similar in structure to Mikki Berry's but with some significant differences in its articles based on discussions

[ifwp] Re: Comment period closes at 4pm EST

1999-01-05 Thread jeff Williams
Stef and all, Einar Stefferud wrote: Thanks Kent for giving our work serious consideration. It has been developed, and is presented to DNSO.ORG in the hopes that it will help lead to convergence on the issues. Ot should be obvious to you Stef by this time that this was and still is

[ifwp] Re: Physical locations and meeting proximity.

1999-01-05 Thread jeff Williams
Roeland and all, With the Berkman center announcing a meeting regarding the Individual Membership committee for the ICANN on Jan 23 in BOston and the Washington DC meeting of the ICANN on Jan 22nd, it is difficult to make any meetings on the west coast. We (INEGroup) would suggest meetings be

[ifwp] Re: Comment period closes at 4pm EST

1999-01-06 Thread jeff Williams
Roberto and all, Roberto Gaetano wrote: Stef, You wrote: - snip - > And, ORSC reserves the right to submit an alterantive to ICANN in any > case, since the ICANN call is not limited to any specific party, > though we do understand that ICANN has been engaged in some direct and > private hand

Re: And Now, we get to battle ICANN on the PRESS FRONT TOO!

1999-02-05 Thread jeff Williams
Esther and all, These are things that all of the ICANN Interim Board should already know how to do as Board members. Esther Dyson wrote: The goal is to do both. We need help in managing the Website, communicating internationally and in Washington (another foreign place!), etc. etc. And

Re: ICANN Jan. 17 minutes

1999-02-05 Thread jeff Williams
Jay, Becky and all, We at INEGroup would like to second Jays concern and complaint as well... Jay Fenello wrote: Hello Becky, Please consider this a formal complaint wrt to the recently released meeting minutes of the ICANN Board of Directors' Meeting held on January 17th. It would

Re: ICANN stop this

1999-02-06 Thread jeff Williams
Sascha and all, With respect to William Walsh, I must agree with you completely on this score. His incessant personal attacks of many individuals are inappropriate and of little use to anyone. Sascha Ignjatovic wrote: On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: Sascha doesn't want to

Re: Another view on Ogilvy and ICANN

1999-02-06 Thread jeff Williams
Sean and all, Well there are a few suggestions that have been made many times before Sean, that the ICANN "Initial" and Interim Board has been ask to do that would go a long ways towards good PR for them, that thus far they have refused to do. 1.) Where are their bonifides as to how and whom

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread jeff Williams
Jay and all, Jay Fenello wrote: Hi Michael, With all due respect, you are wrong! No deals were made in Paris -- simply an effort at finding the common ground between competing ideas and philosophies. Unfortunately the Paris Meeting was never completely decimated to all of the

Re: Another view on Ogilvy and ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread jeff Williams
Esther and all, But we are us! Esther Dyson wrote: you can see who the contributors are (and how much) by looking at our Website. What we pay will depend on what they do for us. Esther At 08:08 PM 06/02/99 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: Touche Dave, a very nice example of how to put

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread jeff Williams
Stef and all, NO or DISAGREE We have already submitted our suggested amendments. Einar Stefferud wrote: Look All Y'All -- The bottom line is, do you AGREE or DISAGREE with the CONTENT of the PARIS DRAFT? If you AGREE, then please jsut say YES. If you DISAGREE, Please say NO, PLUS

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread jeff Williams
a freindly ting to provide;-)... Cheers...\Stef From your message Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:51:41 -0800 (PST): } }On 07-Feb-99 jeff Williams wrote: } Stef and all, } }NO or DISAGREE We have already submitted our suggested } amendments. } } --- You are subscribed to dnso.discuss as: [[EMAIL

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, Of course all 89,000+ members of INEGroup DO NOT share the same phone member, but are routed through that central number of purposes of simplicity and a central point of contact. I SERVE as their elected spokesman only. William X. Walsh wrote: On 08-Feb-99 jeff Williams

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread jeff Williams
at Homestead. Or the people at Gallup that you claimed helped with the INEG polling efforts. You're gonna have to prove it sometime, Jeff. On 08-Feb-99 jeff Williams wrote: William and all, Of course all 89,000+ members of INEGroup DO NOT share the same phone member, but are routed through

Without Membership approval:Press Release: ICANN Releases Draft Accreditation Guidelines

1999-02-08 Thread jeff Williams
Sean and all, The ICANN released through yet another inoculious "Press Release" the intentions of the ICANN regarding "Registrat/Registry Accreditation's" without the input prior to this said "Press Release", of the membership Organization which the ICANN is bound to do through the

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread jeff Williams
you wish to leave for his attention. William X. Walsh wrote: Yes Jeff, we are looking for a number that doesn't ring to YOU. And the name of someone at Gallup that can be contacted AT Gallup. On 08-Feb-99 jeff Williams wrote: William and all, The number as has been repeated to you

Re: Draft New Draft

1999-02-09 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, Pot kettle black again! William X. Walsh wrote: Mr Broomfield CONTINUES to take things out of context and make them say things they never said. On 09-Feb-99 John Charles Broomfield wrote: I'm happy to see that you're not interested in spreading FUD, since in recent

Re: AP* is planning DNSO meetings in Singapore starting March 2

1999-02-09 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, Pot kettle black! William X. Walsh wrote: I see that no one can make comments any longer without getting villified by Mr Sondow. These meetings are actually planned for exactly the purpose you state, so that members can attend both sets of meetings. I won't debate

Re: Dallas Stakeholders/SO and ICANN meeting Announcment

1999-02-09 Thread jeff Williams
Dyson wrote: Jeff, May I humbly suggest you arrange special discount fares with American Airlines? Esther At 04:11 PM 09/02/99 +, jeff Williams wrote: All, We (INEGroup) are preparing an international Internet Stakeholders meeting in Dallas at Texas Stadium for Feb. 25 thru the 28

Re: ICANN's Defective Competition Guidelines, etc (was Accredita

1999-02-10 Thread jeff Williams
Gordon and all, Gordon Cook makes a good point that has been made over and over again Mike. What is the essence of the ICANN's authority? It is not even completely constituted yet. The ICANN Interim Board presently really is not in any position to be making any decisions or even set a

Re: ICANN's Defective Competition Guidelines, etc (was Accredita

1999-02-10 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: On 10-Feb-99 Mike Roberts wrote: With respect to the rest of the email, you present a compelling case for your vision of the future of the Internet name and address system. However, it is your case and your opinion, to which you are richly

Re: ICANN's Defective Competition Guidelines, etc (was Accredita

1999-02-10 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: On 10-Feb-99 jeff Williams wrote: William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: But let me quote from you and apply it to this process : "Company, group, or organization representatives, must have an affidavit from their me

Re: International Stakeholders meeting 2/25-2/28

1999-02-10 Thread jeff Williams
Kevin an all, Thank you kevin for providing the exact address. Kevin M. Kelly wrote: TEXAS STADIUM is at 2401 E Airport Freeway, IRVING TX THE DALLAS COWBOY PLAY FOOTBALL THERE! I wouldn't want anyone to miss the INEGroup stakeholders meeting! ;-) -- DOMAIN-POLICY administrivia

Re: ICANN's Defective Competition Guidelines, etc (was Accredita

1999-02-10 Thread jeff Williams
how up (as he claims are already preregistered)? On 10-Feb-99 jeff Williams wrote: William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: On 10-Feb-99 jeff Williams wrote: William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: But let me quote from you and apply it to this process :

Re: list Re: FW: Network Solutions' TLD Zone File Access Program

1999-02-10 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: On 11-Feb-99 Karl Auerbach wrote: On the other hand, the database is a *big* privacy intrusion. And, as I've been indicating, it was paid for and authorized via the Cooperative Agreement and is hence subject to the Privacy Act of 1974.

[IFWP] Re: ICANN's Defective Competition Guidelines, etc (was Accredita

1999-02-10 Thread jeff Williams
Pisanty and all, Agreed. You may not realize this but this is a constant mantra that William Walsh has taken for some time. He is a extremely disturbed individual, and it may be useful for you to recognize this when reading his posts... Pisanty Baruch Alejandro-FQ wrote: Hello, is this

[IFWP] Re: Yes, we can reach an agreement. Let's meet in Singapore.

1999-02-11 Thread jeff Williams
Javier and all, We agree that agreement can be reached, but not likely at Singapore. How many people do you actually are going to meet at Singapore anyway? I would estimate maybe 200 at most. That is hardly a indication of any kind of consensus. Javier SOLA wrote: Anthony, I tend to

[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?

1999-02-11 Thread jeff Williams
George and all, Scale in what way? Could you please define you meaning of "Scale"? In addition, I would add that if you intend to advocate that only a limited number of stakeholders can become members, how do you justify this against the requirements of the White Paper? George Conrades

[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?

1999-02-11 Thread jeff Williams
George and all, Again George, how does restricting membership to what you suggest as an example, Domain Name Holders, meet the requirements of the White Paper of "All Interested Parties"? George Conrades wrote: No, to domain name holders as an example. -Original Message- From:

[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?

1999-02-11 Thread jeff Williams
Steve and all, We (INEGroup) agree with steve's contention here entirely. George's suggestion of limiting membership in any fashion is ethically challenged to say the least, not to mention in strict contrast to the requirements of the White Paper. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George: YOUR

[IFWP] Re: [Membership] MAC reports and models-New URLs

1999-02-11 Thread jeff Williams
George and all, Though we (INEGroup) agree with your reference to Scotts contention below, we also fail to see as well, how the dictatorial style of practice of the ICANN contributes to the ICANN "Initial" and Interim board is a reasonable demonstration of openness, transparency, and

[IFWP] Re: ICANN's Defective Competition Guidelines, etc (was Accredita

1999-02-11 Thread jeff Williams
Stef and all, Einar Stefferud wrote: From your message Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:47:20 +: } }Stef and all, } BTW Stef, what ever happened to what we had discussed regarding the NIST }protest filing? You seemed to have gone back to sitting on the fence again as }Roeland had suggested back

[IFWP] Re: ICANN's Defective Competition Guidelines, etc (was Accredita

1999-02-12 Thread jeff Williams
Stef and all, I don't know the answer Stef, hence my reason for asking in the first place. Kind of a normal thing to do when one doesn't have the answer, yet the question still lingers. Einar Stefferud wrote: Jeff -- If you know thew answer to your question better than I do, then please

[IFWP] Re: Trademarks vs DNS -Reply -Reply

1999-02-12 Thread jeff Williams
Kevin and all, Kevin, William is often misstating others positions, as his one time employer has pointed out (.TJ). He seems to have this propensity and displays it often. Kevin J. Connolly wrote: Mr. Walsh, You've misstated my position. I am opposed to mandatory arbitration. I am in

[IFWP] New privacy bill in the offing?

1999-02-12 Thread jeff Williams
All, FYI, http://cnnfn.com/digitaljam/newsbytes/126372.html Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd.

Re: [IFWP] Is ICANN (Financially ;-) Bankrupt?

1999-02-12 Thread jeff Williams
Jay Venton, and all, The problems that the ICANN and possibly the ISOC is having is of their own making and seemingly wishing to continue by dictating without the benefit of the Membership Organization in the case of the ICANN, policies that have been continuingl been stated by stakeholders,

Re: [IFWP] RE: Trademarks vs DNS

1999-02-13 Thread jeff Williams
Ellen and all, We couldn't agree with you more here Ellen. It seems that there are some "Interested Parties" that feel or believe that TM's and DN's have some sort of relationship that is special with regard to Domain Names. These folks that argue this point usually have very little in depth

[IFWP] Re: When the NC must act - a target to shoot at

1999-02-13 Thread jeff Williams
Antony and all, We would be opposed to this "Expedited Recommendations" provision in that it represents and provides, under no specific provision, as Antony has suggested it here (See Below), an effective veto power for the NC without the approval of the membership and does so without a

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: [IFWP] Re: do we want to have constituenc

1999-02-13 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, William, I wouldn't be a bit suprised if you were dazzeled if you were able to find your rump with both hands. Others milage may very William X. Walsh wrote: On 13-Feb-99 Michael Sondow wrote: William X. Walsh a écrit: On 13-Feb-99 Michael Sondow wrote: I

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN DNSO

1999-02-13 Thread jeff Williams
Michael and all, You are right here IMHO. But it seems reasonable to assume that both shared and non-shared gTLD's can coexist. If not, why not? I have yet to see an answer to that question that is logical to date. Michael Dillon wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Einar Stefferud wrote: }

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: [IFWP] Timely decisions

1999-02-13 Thread jeff Williams
William and all, William is correct here and it should be noted. Kent's claim for the support that the WMB draft has is grossly overstated at best, same however goes for the Paris draft as well. For instance the INEGroup does NOT support either the WMB draft not the Paris draft in it's

Re: [IFWP] Is Nesson right on the objective? And, how do we reach it?

1999-02-13 Thread jeff Williams
Eric and all, IMHO no need to apologize however you can most likely expect a warning message from Molly regarding cross posting as that seems to be forbidden in the rules of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list rules. >;) With respect to your content comments, we have always agreed that any policy

[IFWP] Re: do we want to have constituency meetings in singapore next month?

1999-02-13 Thread jeff Williams
Esther and all, Esther Dyson wrote: Maybe there should be a meeting *about* constituencies, as opposed to necessarily *of* constituencies. Why? It seems to us that the need for pre-defined constituencies is fairly much opposed. The polls that we and Joop ran showed this to be the case

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: [IFWP] Emergency DNS Policy

1999-02-14 Thread jeff Williams
Bret and all, Bret A. Fausett wrote: My original post asked about whether there was really a need for giving executive power to the Names Council, even if just to act in an "emergency" capacity. Kent's re-threaded response ("Timely decision") not only answered a different question (i.e. the need

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