Re: Using perl for a high performance mailer daemon ?
Greg Cope wrote: > Sorry to drag the tone back down to perl You could at least have done it on the proper list (you know, the one that Jonathan Stowe said he wouldn't be closing down this afternoon). CC'ed to the real list. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Templating Solutions
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > It is possible to write embedded perl templates well, but a > lot more difficult than if they are separated out. How does non-embedded Perl look like, then? Is Perl the outside layer and basically does '#include "navbar.html"' at certain points? Or is HTML the outside layer and does something like <% require "read-database.pl"; &read; %>? Or what does it look like if they're *not* in the same file? I have next to no experience with separated code and data (yes, my SQL statements are also in my Perl source files); I've written toy CGI scripts (HTML embedded in Perl) and my day job at the moment includes StoryServer (Tcl embedded in HTML), so I don't think I have much idea of how something else would work. Explanations welcome. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Templating Solutions
Simon Wilcox wrote: > I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason & Apache::ASP because they all > embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing to be enlightened here. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably? > > Me & Andy M. probably, living on the left coast. You forgot Damian (as had I). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: e-smith
David Cantrell wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > > > Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement... > > What is this 'topic' of which you speak? Something matching /^[fyreub ]+\z/i, I think. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Government Websites
Roger Burton West wrote: > Users will say: "Ooh! Shiny!". You need to get some better users. Cheers, philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Rob Partington wrote: > "I couldn't tell, sorry. Use the map instead." Same here. But at least it got it right that penderel aka london.pm.org is in "LONDON, ENGLAND (country), UK". Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: YAPC::Europe
Simon Wistow wrote: [Rotterdam] > There are flights to Amsterdam from there but they're about > 120 quid :( So take the train? Only takes an hour with the IC, and it's probably cheaper than flying on such a short distance. You can even go straight to Diemen Zuid if you're going to the conference first (and it's closer to the hotel as well); change at Leiden Centraal or at Schiphol(Airport). Still only 1:02 or 1:12, depending on your connection. (Although you'd have to get to Rotterdam Centraal from the airport, I admit.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Government Websites
Leo Lapworth wrote: > 2) Oh, yea, make your designers code and your coders design, >that'll make for a good site - honest. Though if the designers have some idea of what is and what isn't possible/easy to implement, maybe we wouldn't have so many image roll-overs, blank one-pixel GIFs, tables within tables withing tables, etc. > 3) "see the web through users' eyes" - easy, they can't all >see it - does that mean you don't have to do anything ? "Users will say: I don't have Flash and don't want to download it. Therefore, I should leave out the Flash bits of the site. Users will say: I read that JavaScript can expose security holes, so I'll turn it off. Therefore, I will make all my navigation work without JavaScript turned on." Sounds like a good idea to me so far. Cheers, philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Greg McCarroll wrote: > I'll cleanup/optimize/add error checking tommorow. but > i thought i'd let you see it tonight for fun and > advance warning. And remove the trailing comma? (Perhaps use 'join' rather than 'map "$_,"' or whatever?) > If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the > bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through > the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people > who looked london.pm-ish to test it. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Greg McCarroll wrote: > I was just playing around and wrote > > http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/lpm_cpan_lb.cgi Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Apache/1.3.14 Server at 217.34.97.146 Port 80 (Oh, and I don't think "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is a valid address according to RFC 2?822. Bad Apache.) Cheers, Phi "I got a '500 Server Error'. What's wrong with my script?" lip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Dave Cross wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland > > at the moment > > That's just down the road in comparison to some of the people that > consider themselves members of london.pm :) Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably? (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Maths Problem
Chris Benson wrote: > Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what > is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without > overlap? On a circle it's easy to see it's just less than the > radius of the circle. Not so easy with a sphere. Well, first off, the circles won't be circles "as we know them" since they're not 2D circles but have a 3D component (or they wouldn't be on the surface of the sphere but rather cutting a slice through it). However, I'd imagine that with three such bulgy circles, the best you can do is space them equally around the equator. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: checking your CPAN modules are up to date?
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Nope. It was much easier than that. It just iterated down the > installed modules and checked them. ppm verify [--upgrade] :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Y::E accomodation
Redvers Davies wrote: > The Bilderberg Garden Hotel. lastmin.com do bookings for it. Wow. Either you have more money than you know what to do with or your company allows for higher expenses than mine. www.lastminute.com says "GBP 82.90 - GBP 126.46"; my company guidelines say (for German hotels) DEM 140 - DEM170, or ca. GBP 40 - GBP 55 (guessed). And it seems to be a 5* hotel. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: *Buffy's Not Included
Roger Burton West wrote: > DBD::CSV is your friend. I second that. DBD::CSV is yum. Also handles escaping of double quotes or commas when inserting strings, etc. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Tie::Hash::Transactional
David Cantrell wrote: > It was disgustingly easy to write Yeah, awful language this Perl. Makes things much too easy. I hope our bosses never find out that things take a fraction of the time they would with other languages :-) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Obnoxious sigs (was Re: www.gateway.gov.uk)
Robert Thompson wrote: > I apologise profusely Sorry, you'll have to give me a hardcopy version of that before I'll believe you: > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents > of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If > verification is required please request a hard-copy version. Your apology might otherwise be construed to be the figment of some mailer-daemon's imagination :-) (Oh, no! I just quoted Robert Thompson! Doesn't that contravene > If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, > distribute or copy this e-mail. since the message was addressed to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not to me?) Hm, perhaps I'll use the company semi-official sig for a change. (The official one specifies which fonts[1] and sizes to use, but I can't do that in plain text email, so I don't bother.) No ugly disclaimers in that, thank goodness, but no proper sig delimiter, either. [1] That explains the long lines of dashes; they're supposed to align with the longest line of text *on the print-out*, and are based on sending HTML or Rich Text email in Arial, not a fixed-width font such as I use to compose my messages. Cheers, Philip Newton -- datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG a gedas company Cuxhavener Straße 36, D-21149 Hamburg Telefon/phone +49-40-797 007-37 Telefax/telefax +49-40-797 007-10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datenrevision.de --
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
This in the Opera (browser) Newsletter I received yesterday: > > * Opera challenges UK govt to support standards * > > > The British government's prestigious gateway > http://www.gateway.gov.uk/ security system only lets users > perform transactions when using IE. Opera challenges the > UK government to support World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > standards and let British citizens enjoy full access to the > Web from different browsers, platforms and devices. > > In the future, British users might even find that they > can't access the gateway, because wireless devices' > manufacturers increasingly are choosing other browsers than > IE. The British wireless consortium Symbian is an example > of a future leading platform not running IE. > > Opera's CTO, Håkon Lie, is currently in contact with the > assistant to UK's e-envoy, Andrew Pinder. Pinder's office > is responsible for the commissioning of the site, > gateway.gov.uk. > > Read the story in The Register: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19275.html I don't know whether that link was the one quoted previously. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Some pretty pictures ...
[Hey, where did your attributions go? Mailer-daemon ate them?] Matthew Jones wrote: > > For some reason, that reminded me of tchrist, especially the > ---^^^ > > Is that Northern for Jesus? What's Northern? Northern English? Anyway, it's Unix-login-ese for "Tom Christiansen", whom you may have heard of in the context of Perl ;-). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Upcoming technical meeting
Leon Brocard wrote: > Registration might happen pretty soon too. Ooh, goody. People at work (who fortunately will be paying for me to go to yapc::Europe again this year) have said they'll want to start to get down details. Probably better to book hotel, travel, etc. *after* I register for the conference, or I might end up travelling to AMS for nothing. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Some pretty pictures ...
Piers Cawley wrote: > http://www.iterative-software.com/~pdcawley/acme.png For some reason, that reminded me of tchrist, especially the region around the mouth and chin. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Religion (was Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > AFAIK Samba implements the SMB protocol, which is the > > native resource (file, printer, ...) sharing protocol of > > Windows. So if you have Windows, you've already got an SMB > > client and server running. > > for the same reasons people install apache on windows when > they already have personal web server running ;-) Well, PWS isn't part of the operating system. (Let's not talk about MSIE in this context.) Compare it, maybe, to NFS under Unix which is sometimes in the kernel -- why run usermode NFS ported from somewhere else if the kernel speaks it already? Cheers, philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux
Piers Cawley wrote: > I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. 4XL, innit? (Remembering you at yapc::Europe:19100 at the T-shirt stand, wondering whether even to bother looking at them.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Inline::PERL
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> Oh, and I think the thing about readdir returning the first
> entry of an array in scalar context is dumb. That isn't DWIM.
> Returning the number of entries in the directory would be
> about a million times more sensible (especially if it didn't
> count . and .. as entries).
Next you'll be saying that <> in scalar context should return the number of
lines in the file.
Cheers,
Phi "while($file = readdir BLA) { process($file) }" lip
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: London.pm posting stats
Paul Makepeace wrote on Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2001 13:27:
> Greg McCarroll: 1546
**
> Dave Cross: 762
> Jonathan Stowe: 729 ***
>Robin Szemeti: 586 **
> David Cantrell: 563 **
> Paul Makepeace: 504
> Leon Brocard: 459 **
> Piers Cawley: 378
> David H. Adler: 365 ***
> Simon Wistow: 355 ***
>Philip Newton: 331 **
Well, I just barely missed being in the Top 10... I didn't think I wrote
*that* much. Horrors.
Oh well, life goes on. And sometimes life includes coming into work on my
last day of holidays because I just *know* london-list will have tons of
messages waiting for me and I don't want to talk half a day on my first day
back to work to sort through them. Well, it was only 683 IIRC (after 2.5
weeks), but still.
> PS The ratty bit of code, should anyone wish to automate this, that
>produces this is:
>
> cat $* | formail +1 -x From: -ds | perl -lne
> 's-\\?"--g;s/(\w+), ([\w\s]+\w)/$2 $1/;/^ (\w.*) $p{$1}++; END {printf "%20s: %4d\n",$p,$n while ($p,$n) =
> each %p}' | sort -t : -k 2,2rn | head -40 | perl -lpe
> 's-(\d+)$-"$1 "."*"x($1*($s||=50/$1))-e'
Any chance of arm-wrestling Greg Bacon's News::Scan into producing stats
from an mbox?
Cheers,
Philip
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Religion
Robin Szemeti wrote: [google] > seems able to find the *right* thing .. many many times the thing > I want is in the no1 spot Yes. google++, definitely. Its success is probably partly because it looks at how many links point to the page. If lots of people link to site X, then site X is probably (a) really great and trusted by lots of people, or (b) really bad but lots of people think it's great (M*tt's Scr*pt *rch*v*), so it'll show up further up. Which reminds me of something I read in the PuTTY FAQ: > Question: Would you like me to register you a snappier domain > name? The PuTTY web page is hard to find. > Answer: No, it isn't. You type "putty" into Google and it's the > very first thing that comes back. How true. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Religion (was Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
Greg McCarroll wrote on Freitag, 8. Juni 2001 11:11 > And some pieces of software just wont be able to be plugged > in - why can't i run Samba on Windows? Why would you want to? AFAIK Samba implements the SMB protocol, which is the native resource (file, printer, ...) sharing protocol of Windows. So if you have Windows, you've already got an SMB client and server running. Sounds a bit like "How can I port MKS's korn shell to Unix? Is it possible?". Well, maybe the analogy is not so hot, but it's the best I can think of. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Election Manifestos
Simon Wistow wrote: > the DBI abstraction was, well, nonexistent. As in, if your script has lots of calls to mysql_this and mysql_that, it doesn't look very database independent. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: new york
Greg McCarroll wrote: > Well back from sunny NY to good old London and what do i have > waiting for me, thats right 200+ messages in London.pm! Hurrah! That was an awfully quick flight if it got you there and back in under eight hours (judging from the number of messages you say you had in your inbox afterwards) :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Happy Happy Joy Joy!
David H. Adler wrote: > dha, who thinks the overseas copies got somehow shipped before the > domestic ones... I *think* I read once that that's their policy. It's a nice move, since overseas people have to wait longer anyway -- so if their copies are shipped earlier, they might just get them no more than a couple of months after Americans start crowing about the latest issue of TPJ on IRC or mailing lists. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
Robert Thompson wrote: > This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic > types, including sig/header block formats. And there's always http://www.wotsit.org/ "The Programmer's File Format Collection". Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: TPC Quiz Team
Nathan Torkington wrote: > Dave Cross writes: > > > > examples drawing heavily on the world of Buffy. > > Oh I remember now. In fact, I specifically remember rolling > my eyes :-) Admit it, you put those in because O'Reilly told you "we need you to increase subscription numbers" :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: TPC Quiz Team
Dave Cross wrote: > It was a beginners guide to Arrays. Complete with examples > drawing heavily on the world of Buffy. Now you made me look; I had only read through the first column of the article by the time I got to work this morning, and that was all about red, green, and blue, with a dash of pink here and there. But a bit further on, I saw you're right! Yum. Yes, we should get a trademark of BtVS in connection with Perl :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Happy Happy Joy Joy!
I finally received my copy of TPJ in the mail yesterday. And there was much rejoicing :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: TPC Quiz Team
Peter Haworth wrote: > Come to think of it, if "Buddy" was the password, how come we > all know what it is (now, at least). Aren't passwords > supposed to be secret? I believe there was a news story about the first law to be signed into, well, law electronically by the POTUS "by typing in his dog's name, Buddy, as the password", or verbage to that effect. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: pc components
will wrote: > rm -f zig mv zig/* CATS/ , surely? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Buffy ...
Cross David - dcross wrote: > Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by > SMG tho' at <http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51612812>. I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster uses her fake name when signing pictures. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]
Paul Makepeace wrote: > The -> to . conversion [...] will be a wonderful thing. To be honest, I never understood the point of that conversion. Is it an attempt to make Perl look more like VB? Or like Java? Or trying to save keystrokes? Simplify the lexer? The array seemed fine to me the way it was. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Buffy ...
Robin Szemeti wrote: > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918 Yum. Pricey, though. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: e-mail
Greg McCarroll wrote: > talking of old money did you know that about 92%[1] of used > fifty pound notes have traces of cocaine on them? Probably from the crack-snorting scientists who test them. > [1] i couldnt remember the exact figure, but it was high, so > 92% sounded good. Did you know that 18% of all statistics are completely made up out of raw cloth, and 57.384% of all statistics claim unwarranted precision in their figures? Cheers, Philip (who notes that there's a German saying "don't trust any statistic that you didn't forge yourself") -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: test
Greg McCarroll wrote: > just a test Sorry, didn't arrive in Germany. You have some kind of UK only filter on these things? Please sent it again, with the filter turned off. Cheers, Philip (feeling testy) -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Robert Shiels wrote: > > Leon > > > > ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody > > > ...is that dollars or pounds... Turkish lire? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Simon Cozens wrote: > That's not argument, it's just contradiction! I'm sorry; I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you've paid. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Caller ID (was Re: Enough!)
Steve Mynott wrote: > I have heard of people using the D channel signalling to communicate > for free. I've also heard of phone companies cursing such users and trying to ban programs that support that. At least in Germany, there was a program (or several?) that took advantage of the fact that when you initiate a connection, you can also transfer a small data packet. So they would initiate a connection and include a small data packet, then immediately tear down the connection before it was answered, and initiate another connection with the next few bytes. All this stuff was free (since no connection was established completely), but apparently a lot of load on the switching network. However, German Telecom used to have a service (don't know whether they still do) whereby you could have an always-on connection using the D channel with a type of Datex-P-over-ISDN (a packet-switched(?) network in Germany where you pay by the packet rather than by the minute, and where no permanent connections are established: a bit like UDP). So you could have your email delivered to you, or stock ticks, or other stuff that didn't need high bandwidth. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Robin Houston wrote:
> Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible...
Sounds a bit like dadadodo, only it makes more sense :)
I like the section "Keep the design as simple as possible":
"The design strategy implies starting with a simple design and continually
improving it. In fact, design elements that are more complicated than
absolutely necessary at the moment are delayes, even if only for a few
minutes. That means that you choose from among several possible solutions
the one that appears to be the simplest yet will satisfy the test. You
program only what you really need right now, not, what you may need later
on. You even go so far as to remove unnecessary flexibility from the code.
You prove that the current solution is too simple by writing a test case
which justifies a more complex design.
"Ulrich: OK. You want me simply to get the test running and to forget
everything else for the moment.
"Felix: Exactly. What would you do, if you only had to implement this one
test?
"Ulrich: Hah, that's really easy.
public class Customer {
public void rentMovie (int daysRented) {
}
public int getTotalCharge () {
return 2;
}
}
"Felix: How extreme! But good..."
Extreme indeed... but it *does* satisfy the test cases they've written so
far, and it contains no unnecessary flexibility ;)
> *** TRANSLATION ENDS HERE ***
>
> Thanks, babelfish.
Well, copy and paste the next part of the page into babelfish.
Cheers,
Philip
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: streaming output
Robert Thompson wrote: > > > I've had a look at the relevant rfc's. > > > > Which ones? RFC 2616 (HTTP/1.1) mentions "gzip" not "x-gzip" > > under "3.5 Content Codings" and "3.6 Transfer Codings". > > I was looking at RFC's 2045 & 2046 which relate directly to > MIME. Ah, well: Multipurpose Internet *Mail* Extensions aren't really directly related to HTTP :) (although some headers admittedly look similar). > That's where the Content-Type and Content-Transfer-Encoding > headers are talked about. Yes, C-T-E is a MIME header. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: streaming output
Robert Thompson wrote: > print "Content-Type: application/octet-stream\n"; > print "Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-gzip\n\n"; At a guess: "Content-Encoding: gzip" instead. > I've had a look at the relevant rfc's. Which ones? RFC 2616 (HTTP/1.1) mentions "gzip" not "x-gzip" under "3.5 Content Codings" and "3.6 Transfer Codings". > The main thing I'm unsure about is the > content-transfer-encoding type. Anyone know where there's > a list of them? RFC 2616 says (section 3.5, "Content Codings"): 3.5 Content Codings Content coding values indicate an encoding transformation that has been or can be applied to an entity. Content codings are primarily used to allow a document to be compressed or otherwise usefully transformed without losing the identity of its underlying media type and without loss of information. Frequently, the entity is stored in coded form, transmitted directly, and only decoded by the recipient. content-coding = token All content-coding values are case-insensitive. HTTP/1.1 uses content-coding values in the Accept-Encoding (section 14.3) and Content-Encoding (section 14.11) header fields. Although the value describes the content-coding, what is more important is that it indicates what decoding mechanism will be required to remove the encoding. The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) acts as a registry for content-coding value tokens. Initially, the registry contains the following tokens: gzip An encoding format produced by the file compression program "gzip" (GNU zip) as described in RFC 1952 [25]. This format is a Lempel-Ziv coding (LZ77) with a 32 bit CRC. [snip] There's also a transfer encoding of "gzip", which must also have "chunked", but that seems to be something different. See also sections 14.11 "Content-Encoding" (HTTP response header) and 14.41 "Transfer-Encoding" (HTTP response header). Transfer encoding "differs from the content-coding in that the transfer-coding is a property of the message, not of the entity", whatever that means. There doesn't seem to be a "Content-Transfer-Encoding", as in MIME[1]. The RFC also notes that "Many older HTTP/1.0 applications do not understand the Transfer-Encoding header". [1] though section 3.6 notes that: Transfer-codings are analogous to the Content-Transfer-Encoding values of MIME [7], which were designed to enable safe transport of binary data over a 7-bit transport service. However, safe transport has a different focus for an 8bit-clean transfer protocol. In HTTP, the only unsafe characteristic of message-bodies is the difficulty in determining the exact body length (section 7.2.2), or the desire to encrypt data over a shared transport. I would have expected there to be a list somewhere under ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments , but the file transfer-encodings there just points to http://www.iana.org/assignments/transfer-encodings , which only has "7bit, 8bit, binary, quoted-printable, base64" as possible values. > Any help, pointers much appreciated. Hope this helps some. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
Seen in news:de.alt.sysadmin.recovery : http://www.frankwestphal.de/XPueberdieSchultergeschaut.html The poster thought it was satire; I'm not so sure. Anyway, if you understand German (or trust Babelfish), have a look at it. Enjoy! Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: One liner
Jonathan Peterson wrote: > Probably all you people who program for a living think this is > [crap/obvious/can be done in 3 bytes] but I liked it: > > $|++; print qw(\ | / -)[$i%4]."\r"; $|--; > > Put a spinning progress thing in your loops... Hm, if you knew autoflushing was turned off before you started, you could replace the "$|++" with "$|--" for nice symmetry, and watch people's minds go wonky as they try to figure out why you're only decrementing. (The more enterprising amongst the audience might have a look in the source). --$|-as-toggle was something I learned from Abigail, I think. Offered without explanation, of course. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Enough!
David Cantrell wrote: > a delightfully Heath-Robinson mechanical whatsit which will clip on to > the inside of your letter box, and will reject spam with > GREAT VENGEANCE and FURY. For GREAT JUSTICE. Cheers, Phi "how do smurfs make little smurfs?" lip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Enough!
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > and before simon gets there: > > use Mail::Audit; To which Johan Vromans would probably reply: use Mail::Procmail; Chacun à son goût. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Roger Burton West wrote: > - Being employed is a good thing. > - People with degrees are more likely to be employed, and to > have higher salaries, than people without. > - Therefore everybody should have a degree, and miraculously > they will all be employed and have higher salaries. I read in a book about a place where this premise was taken to its logical conclusion and all residents of a particular state were given college degrees so that people would be equal. (It might have been Heinlein's _Friday_.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: like a phoenix from the flames
David Cantrell wrote: > It will come as no surprise to any of yhou that mine hasn't > arrived :-) Nor mine :( (Though, truth be told, I'm not sure whether I'm still subscribed. I think I tried to renew my subscription just before everything went pear-shaped, but I don't remember whether it went through, or I cancelled it, or what. I s'pose I'll just wait(2) and C.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: JAMES DUNCAN
Martin Ling wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:45:05PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > > > Or what happens fairly frequently over here: companies which have > > http://www.company.de/ but their email address is > > company@$NATIONALISP or, worse, company@$FREE_EMAIL_SERVICE. Looks > > pretty stupid to me. > > There's a (now unsurprisingly defunct) computer shop just up the road > from me with a www..freeserve.co.uk address - up in > three-inch letterrs on a huge full-length sign. Classic. :) Especially since some free services undoubtedly have clauses forbidding you from using the email address/web space for commercial gain. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: JAMES DUNCAN
Roger Burton West wrote: > Yup, until I rebuilt ex-employer's email system about half the people > there were using hotmail instead. No client ever questioned this. I know I would question that. I think it looks *sooo* unprofessional to have a hotmail address as a business. Or what happens fairly frequently over here: companies which have http://www.company.de/ but their email address is company@$NATIONALISP or, worse, company@$FREE_EMAIL_SERVICE. Looks pretty stupid to me. Or companies what pick company.com instead of company.de (e.g. hochbahn.com, which is a Hamburg public transport company -- I suppose some companies might have claims to possibly international expansion, but a *city's* *public transport* *system*?) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Jonathan Peterson wrote: > 2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the > door is open. Things were obviously different back when I spent the occasional lunch break (or after school) in detention :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Monitors
Lucy McWilliam wrote: > On Fri, 11 May 2001, Philip Newton wrote: > > > Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > > How many things do you have on top of your monitor? > > > > Depends on the day. Today, two things: a goose called Lucy[1] > > ! :) It did cross my mind while posting the message that you were also on the list. (Today, it's my cheeky green duck Martin on the monitor.) Cheers, Philip Philip Newton -- datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG a gedas company Cuxhavener Straße 36, D-21149 Hamburg Telefon/phone +49-40-797 007-37 Telefax/telefax +49-40-797 007-10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datenrevision.de --
Re: Monitors
Philip Newton wrote: > I generally bring one of my small stuffed toys to work ^ or my wife's. She has me than I. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Monitors
Dominic Mitchell wrote: > For reference, I have 8 Kinder egg toys, 4 of which are Giraffes. Ah. At home I also have Kinder egg toys on my monitor. Three of them to be precise. I think they're all cars. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Monitors
Dominic Mitchell wrote: > How many things do you have on top of your monitor? Depends on the day. Today, two things: a goose called Lucy[1] (a Ty Beanie Baby) and a green duck called Martin. Both are plush toys. I generally bring one of my small stuffed toys to work, but sometimes I forget to take it out of my coat pocket, or forget to bring it along in the first place. And occasionally, I bring two at once. For example, the day before yesterday I had two Beanie Baby stuffed geese (of a different design than Lucy) called Wendy and Henry[2] who are married to one another. (Lucy and Martin are just friends. Maybe not even that; they're still a bit cautious about the relationship.) Cheers, Philip [1] Though her tag spells her name "Loosy". [2] Their name tags say "Honks"; we decided that's their last name. Wendy, by the way, was bought in London while I was at yapc::Europe::19100, as a present for my wife. -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: (OT) constrained walk
Paul Mison wrote: > I see you managed to subscribe anyway; I ph34r y0ur l33t 5M7P sk1llz. Thanks. They do come in handy quite often. (For example, when verifying an open relay or seeing whether it anonymises or not.) I remember the person who taught me SMTP; I'm grateful to him. (Though I suppose I could have taught myself from the RFC without too much pain; after all, that's how I learned to speak POP3.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: (OT) constrained walk
Paul Mison wrote: > there may be a second constrained walk What's a "constrained walk"? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: (OT) constrained walk
Paul Mison wrote: > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts: it appears that the DNS operator for this domain has installed an invalid MX record with an IP address instead of a domain name on the right hand side Looks like it: $ dig @ns.stub.org husk.org axfr ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> @ns.stub.org husk.org axfr ; (1 server found) $ORIGIN husk.org. @ 1D IN SOA @ root.vx-labs.org. ( 2001020100 ; serial 8H ; refresh 4H ; retry 10H ; expiry 1D ); minimum 1D IN NSns.vx-labs.org. 1D IN NSns.stub.org. 1D IN A 195.149.50.61 1D IN MX5 195.149.50.61. * 1D IN A 195.149.50.61 @ 1D IN SOA @ root.vx-labs.org. ( 2001020100 ; serial 8H ; refresh 4H ; retry 10H ; expiry 1D ); minimum ;; Received 7 answers (7 records). ;; FROM: penderel to SERVER: 193.243.252.29 ;; WHEN: Fri May 11 15:47:41 2001 I suggest you shoot the "DNS operator for this domain" and hire a new one :) I suppose that in the meantime I'll have to forge a subscription with `telnet husk.org smtp` if my MUA won't send to it. Cheers, Philip
Re: putting escape characters in files
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > That breaks if the line is longer than the width of your screen. So do a lot of cheap "pager" routines. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: putting escape characters in files
Dominic Mitchell wrote: > assuming you can get into a bourne shell, you can > still do things like write cat(1) in sh, as well. This is not going to help you pause output. > Although it'd be hard to control without ^S and ^Q, ...which was what the original post was all about. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: putting escape characters in files
Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:25:00PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > If your terminal has flow control enabled it will eat ^Q > > and ^S for you. > > stty -ixon > > removes this problem. > > But then how do you pause that long ls listing when your > less,more,pg,sed,awk&perl binaries are all fscked? :-) Use dd with the count= option for the first page, and with count= and skip= for subsequent pages :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Bah!
David Cantrell wrote: > http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv I was going to post "I can't open that in Microsoft Word; please re-send it" as a joke, but when I tried to open the PDF version using the Acrobat plug-in in Netscape, I got "an internal error occurred" and some of the letters were missing. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Native Code Experts
Piers Cawley wrote: > I haven't laughed so much since Date::MMDDYY... Which, incidentally, appears to have disappeared from CPAN. At least, CPAN.pm doesn't know about it any more. And http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=module&query=Date%3A%3AMMDDYY also says "No modules found matching Date::MMDDYY". Pity :) Cheers, Philip, who was looking forward to v2 of the module, incorporating london.pm's suggestions -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30
I missed the mention that london-list may be moving to london.pm.org at some point. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: US$ bank account
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Barclays charge between £5 and £10 to bank a check. Which for a > month's work is fine, but for an Amazon affiliates payment is in the > realm of "ouchie". AllAdvantage, while it was still alive, sent me DEM cheques drawn on a German bank (which had been prepared by a service in England). If they can do it, why can't a global e-commerce leading-edge pioneer-type place like Amazon? The mind boggles. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Good Accountants
Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:30:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > I blame majordomo, when's that mailman thing getting here? > > Well, it is based on Python, which might cause a few stirrings around > here... You think the Perl community is proud of the majordomo code? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Good Accountants
Chris Ball wrote: > Are postings subscriber only ..? ] As far as I know, yes; Jonathan Stowe has to hand-approve non-subscriber postings for them to make it to the list. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: require Module; and filehandles
Ian Brayshaw wrote: > it's the internal workings of require that stop the tie > from being honoured. I presume that the require burrows > down into the internals and isn't aware that it's a tie'd > handle. As far as I can tell the code within the require > call is unaware that this handle is an object. If you place > an AUTOLOAD method in TrueHandle instead of the READ and > READLINE methods, only DESTROY is called. Did you tell p5p about this? Perhaps they can do something about it, if they consider this a bug. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: require Module; and filehandles
Jonathan Stowe wrote: > And hide the test failures if you are running on SCO OpenServer or > Unixware (see p5p passim) :) Does anyone still run SCO? Thought they'd all died. Cheers, Phi "OpenSewer" lip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: require Module; and filehandles
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Re: Company Name
Chris Heathcote wrote: > Mega-Shiels 2001 Ltd. Shiels-Up! PLC Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month
Nathan Torkington wrote: > 5/1/2001 Dingwalls London, England > 5/2/2001 Pizza Express London, England > 5/3/2001 Borderline London, England > 5/4/2001 Ocean London, England Hey! All of those dates are already past! (And why do they only give one concert a month?) Cheers, Phi "ISO-8601 rules" lip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Server Upgrade
Robert Shiels wrote: > As expected, the DIMMs are PC100 and not PC133. I strongly expect > the motherboard will not be able to use the PC133s so either we > need to upgrade the mobo, or change the order to purchase slower > RAM. Er, do you mean "will not be able to use the PC133s" or "will not be able to use the PC100s and we'll need to get even slower RAM"? And AFAIK, if it takes SDRAM at all, you can put in whatever you want; the speed is determined by min(mobo bus speed, memory spec speed). I've got PC133 memory in my Celeron board (66 MHz bus) and it works fine; the memory doesn't seem to care that it's accessed more slowly than it's capable of. (And another bank has, I think, PC100 memory in it -- the mix-n-match doesn't seem to be deleterious, either.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: BtVS : Best Male
Robin Szemeti wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote: Hey, Robin -- remember the "reply to list" feature is on; "you wrote" is not particularly clear :). (In this case, it's Jonathan Stowe, which is significant.) > > I had bleached hair once and I looked gorgeous - mind I had > > pink hair once as well ... :) > > another twenty years matey and you'll be posting : > " i had hair once ... " :)) >From what I remember of how jns looked, I'd give him more like two years :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP
dcross - David Cross wrote: > Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with > Samba. Why? Because it's open software (or whatever they call themselves)? Can't you call it an "Enterprise cross-platform file sharing solution" or something like that? And get a company to support it? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Komodo
Robin Szemeti wrote: > in the *nix variant can you load stuff from CPAN straight in ? Lemme check... yep, you can. (Using the Solaris version of ActivePerl 618.) I used a non-XS module, but I believe I've done it with XS modules as well. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm
Mike Jarvis wrote: > CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz. Who's he? Is he that Wesley bloke that I haven't seen yet? (Note to self: must get around to watching all those Buffy episodes I have on CD.) Cheers, Philip PS: $willow++; -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Komodo
Barbie wrote: > The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation > for you. the bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then > again seeing as they've done the job of porting the package > you'd hope it was tested at their end. At least that's what > _I'm_ hoping. Yes. The PPM used to be really meagre with builds 5xx (5.005_**) but with 6xx (5.6.*) the situation has improved. I believe they have some kind of semi-automated way of making PPMs from CPAN modules. They have stated that they'll only PPM modules (or versions of modules) that pass their own tests on Windows. I believe the PPM version of Compress::Zlib or Archive::Tar or some such was lagging behind the CPAN release by a couple of versions because the newer versions didn't pass their own tests. So if it's PPMable, it's supposedly been tested by ActiveState (perhaps not by a person, but at least automatically). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Komodo
Jonathan Peterson wrote: > I've I'm wrong and Activestate Perl is full of unreleased > modifications to Perl itself or the core libs I'd like to > know if it... Well, not exactly unreleased, but ActivePerl AFAIK never corresponds to any stock Perl. They often integrate patches from the development track as well. The diffs from vanilla Perl to ActivePerl sources are freely available from the web site, however. Oh, and they bundle a bunch of useful modules (e.g. Win32:: and I believe also libnet and libwww-perl) with their base install. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Installing Perl/Tk on Win32
Andrew Bowman wrote: > I didn't put the MS nmake in the perl\bin dir (this doesn't > strike me as significant). When I ran it it chuntered away > happily on the Tk makefile for a while, and then stopped, > looking for a program called 'cl' - presumably a c linker. It's Microsoft's "compiler and linker driver" (or some such) -- the front end to the preprocessor, compiler, and linker processes (and who knows what else; maybe an intermediate optimizer or two?). Basically, it's the equivalent of 'cc' or 'gcc' which will also call cc0, cc1, and ld for your (or whatever the programs are called). Borland calls its front ends tcc and bcc; Microsoft calls its cl. I believe it's been cl.exe since the beginning, regardless of whether it was called Microsoft C or Visual C++. > There are 25 xs files in the Tk distribution, so I guess > this is where that approach went wrong. Er yes, XS files do tend to require a C compiler of some description to be useful :) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)
Mark Fowler wrote: > 3) Write a set of scripts ...with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line... >that are all basically the same but have > different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the > information that you might need to know about the server. > For example what version of perl you're running, what the current > working directory is, what the permissions on the directories > are, etc, etc. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: sub BEGIN {}
David H. Adler wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:03:43AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > > > dha, how's your "last read" mark? > > Eh? An obscure reference to a remark you made in Penderel's Oak after yapc::Europe 19100. Something to the effect that you have a mark which indicates, in your MUA, the boundary between "read" and "unread" messages in a mail folder, and that this mark is never on the first page of messages in your london-list folder. Had to do, apparently, not only with the traffic a mailing list gets but also with whether you keep messages around or delete them after reading them. Unfortunately, I don't recall the comment exactly. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Perl on HPUX
Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > http://cpan.valueclick.com/ports/#hpux > > There is also a 5.something version for the 10.20 and the 9.x crowd > mentioned in the HP-UX FAQ Perl appears to build quite well from source, as well, even on 10.20 -- err, that's assuming you have a real cc, however (either HP's for-pay ANSI C compiler or gcc, for example). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Perl on HPUX
Robert Shiels wrote: > From: "Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Question for the list, i'm currently writing some scripts > > for a HP box running HPUX 11 and i keep hitting the same > > error when ever i try and use > > Last time I used the default perl on HP-UX, it turned out to > be perl 4. You may need a more recent distribution. I don't think HPUX comes any newer than 11. He just needs a recent Perl; you don't get decent Perl (nor decent cc) shipped with HPUX. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Perl on HPUX
Dean wrote: > DOH! Its running 4.0.1.8 Well, perl4.0 patchlevel 36 -- usually called 4.036, I think. And AFAIK it's only supported in the context of the kernel debugger q4, not for developing (sort-of like the cc shipped with HPUX is only to be used to re-build the kernel and hence is still K&R; you have to pay money to get a "real" cc). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Mmm... Perl 5+i
Piers Cawley wrote:
> I'm really liking Damian's work on this. Favourite so far:
>
> %new_hash = map {yield munge_key($_); munge_value($_)} %a_hash
^
Looks like someone's been doing too much Ruby to me....
Cheers,
Philip
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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Alex Page wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> > Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
> > mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
>
> AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes
> you think about your grammar in English. I did Latin to
> A-level, and remembering which form of qui to use in a given
> situation really helps you work out that whole who / whom issue.
In my case, German helps there, with wer/wessen/wem/wen distinctions. German
speakers also tend not to make mistakes of the "give it to either Paul or I"
type, probably because case is still pretty visible in German. (That being
said, my wife does tend to mix up accusative [often -n] and dative [often
-m] endings, so not every native speaker has an innate grasp of grammar.)
> Similarly, I'm pretty good at using the subjunctive properly
> and stuff like that. German helped a lot too...
I can imagine. Greek would also help you, at least with the
nominative/accusative distinction (dative died hundreds of years ago and was
replaced by preposition + accusative, or sometimes by genitive). I remember
my German grammar helped me when learning Greek, since of the four surviving
cases, three also existed in German, and vocative is pretty simple to use
:). The English speakers in my class had a harder time of it, and when I was
in Greece, I met one American who told me he got a text on English grammar
because he said he felt he needed to understand his own grammar before he
could understand another language's.
> When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of
> little signs over the classroom walls saying things like
> "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things
> like that in.
I hope it had s/say/write/ , since I don't hear any difference when someone
*says* "all right" or "alright".
A German example is "gar nicht wird gar nicht zusammengeschrieben" (new
spelling, I believe, would use "zusammen geschrieben").
Cheers,
Philip
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Re:
Paul Makepeace wrote: > Do you (whoever) in all seriousness think someone would *choose* to > post in base64? Or even imagine that without extensive spelunking in > the config files/menus their email client would do that by default? > No, of course not -- so give 'em a fscking break! Be nice, point out > how to fix it, and if they *still* keep doing it say, after the 3rd > time, *then* fire up the cannons. > > Hopefully these links are useful: > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/html-off.html > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1236/nomime.html Thanks; they were interesting. However, I believe that it's not even my email client's fault. The options for MS Outlook were not available because I don't use the Internet Email service to send mail but the MS Exchange Server service -- so the "Internet Email options" window or tab is not available to me. It's the server that does the mangling. I found a workaround which I can live with; if I hadn't, I would probably be using Pegasus, which I also have installed on this machine. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re:
Robin Szemeti wrote: > hmmm does that mean if I type : > > begin 777 wibble > M>here is some really interesting stuff that outlook wont see > > end Apparently not, at least, not in my version of Outlook. (However, is the 'M' correct? The line looks a bit short. And I believe the line before the end should contain either a space or a backtick, to show "no more characters". However, apparently Outlook Express is not so finicky, and there are a few people on German-speaking Usenet who take advantage of that, by beginning their posts (or signatures) with begin virus.exe and ending them with "end" and enjoying the wails of OE users "I can't see your posting! There's just an attachment that won't decode!" or something like that. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Test from uuencode boy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > test. can you read this one, or is it attached? This is in Microsoft > Outlook Rich Text. The previous mails have been sent in Plain Text. I got one mail with text + signature, and an attachment called "Unbenannte Anlage" (= Unnamed Attachment) with an icon indicating it's a mail message. Clicking on it reveals an empty message with two attachments: one called "BDY.RTF" and containing your text (with an MS Word icon) and one called "Legal Disclaimer" containing the legal junk (with a Notepad icon). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re:
Clarke, Darren wrote: > It appears I have been remiss with the HTML/text thing - I > can only blame Outlook for this since I have set it to text > but didn't check the 'format switch' on each mail. I blame MSexChange instead. At least for our setup. And because Outlook *used* to send out plain text emails as plain text just fine, until someone fiddled with the MSexChange configuration. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Test
Clarke, Darren wrote: > Bloomin' Outlook & HTML ... *grumble* I agree. Your mail server lost again. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re:
Greg McCarroll wrote: > ok, was i the only one who had to ueedecode this No; Outlook did it for me and presented the message as an attachment. (I though something like this must be happening since the "Internet Headers" box didn't show any MIME headers typical of MIME attachments -- so it was probably uuencoded.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This looks familiar. Did Tom Christiansen provide Perl training for your last summer? > This message contains confidential information and is intended only > for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. > > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents > of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If > verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This > message is provided for informational purposes and should not be > construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or > related financial instruments. Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
