Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 06:51:26PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: map g !G perl -MText::Autoformat -eautoformat CR map z !G perl -MText::Autoformat -e 'autoformat{ all = 1 }' CR ...shamelessly stolen, lock stock and barrel from Damian's article in the new TPJ. :-) Cool, thanks.

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Damian Conway
Damian is so cool... The next version of Text::Autoformat (which should be out before TPC5) will also leave header lines and sigs unmolested, making it truly useful for email tidying. Now if he'd just stop blaming me for stuff like DWIM.pm... ;-) Well, I would if you'd just stop

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Damian Conway
Minor problemette is, when 1.0.4 is called at the end of the file: Can't call method signature on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.0/Text/Autoformat.pm line 779. Noted and fixed for the next release. Damian

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Robert Shiels
. Deal with it. ...bad language and shouting isn't big, and it isn't clever. /Robert - Original Message - From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 May 2001 22:00 Subject: Re: Election Manifestos On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:50:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Richard Clamp
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:13:12AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Typical quotes from Simon this week: Ah, he'd be fine if it weren't for those fucking mood swings. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Simon Wistow
Chris Ball wrote: I used to use At-mail a lot at work. Pseudo-interesting question of the day; do you really feel it was ripped off (in the stigmatism-attached sense of the word), or given that it was GPLed or Artistic'd anyway, that it's fair play to them and that's something that happens

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Richard Clamp wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:13:12AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Typical quotes from Simon this week: Ah, he'd be fine if it weren't for those fucking mood swings. You see, this is why we don't need to make a london-perl-mongers movie. If we did,

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: Have no problem with them making money out of it it was just that it was ripped off and not released under the GPL and/or the changes sent back to us. They don't have to under the artistic licence. However, they do have to duplicate all of the

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Leon Brocard
Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether: Have you integrated into a mail server (module, procmail, whatever) .muttrc: set editor=/home/acme/bin/autoformat %s; xemacs -nw %s Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether: Have you integrated into a mail server (module, procmail, whatever) .muttrc: set editor=/home/acme/bin/autoformat %s; xemacs -nw %s Leon in PINE S SETUP - C Config display-filters:

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:21:08AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: Well, I would if you'd just stop putting those evil thoughts in my head... Evil Ideas BOF at TPC. ISAGN. -- God Save the Queen! And let Satan take the Prime Minister... - Tanuki, in the monastery.

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:59:12AM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote: Ah, he'd be fine if it weren't for those fucking mood swings. You mean I'm nice at times? -- Ever wake up feeling like a null pointer? -Allan Pratt

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-24 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:59:12AM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote: Ah, he'd be fine if it weren't for those fucking mood swings. You mean I'm nice at times? Aren't you standing for London.pm in the election? -- Dave Hodgkinson,

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Piers Cawley
Damian Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damian is so cool... The next version of Text::Autoformat (which should be out before TPC5) will also leave header lines and sigs unmolested, making it truly useful for email tidying. Huzzah! -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:21:08AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: Now if he'd just stop blaming me for stuff like DWIM.pm... ;-) Well, I would if you'd just stop putting those evil thoughts in my head... The David made me do it!?? :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-24 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:21:08AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: Now if he'd just stop blaming me for stuff like DWIM.pm... ;-) Well, I would if you'd just stop putting those evil thoughts in my head... The David made me do it!??

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Dave Cross
At 17:37 22/05/2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Leon Brocard
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: This, of course, presupposes that acmemail passes everyone's definition of a decent mail client. And if it doesn't, we can just slap the authors until it does :) You'll be happy to know that I gave up ownership of acmemail a

RE: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:43 AM Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: This, of course, presupposes that acmemail passes everyone's definition of a decent mail client. And if it doesn't, we can just slap the authors

RE: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Mark Fowler
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: I've had another idea tho'. Why don't we install acmemail on Penderel and suggest that people with braindead mail clients use that? This, of course, presupposes that acmemail passes everyone's definition of a decent mail client. And if it

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: It didn't hit critical mass. Discuss. Yet Another Webmail Client; it wasn't exactly filling a gaping niche. (And I say that as someone who may soon be maintaining one of the others...) -- 4.2BSD may not be a complete disaster, but

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Wistow
Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: It didn't hit critical mass. Discuss. Yet Another Webmail Client; it wasn't exactly filling a gaping niche. (And I say that as someone who may soon be maintaining one of the others...) It did at the time -

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:04:19AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: that Mail::Cclient is powerful but complicated and can be a bitch to install, And use. Ripping that fucker out would be my first act. :) There's also http://www.horde.org/imp/ which is reasonably popular. -- Jesus ate my mouse or

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Wistow
Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:04:19AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: that Mail::Cclient is powerful but complicated and can be a bitch to install, And use. Ripping that fucker out would be my first act. :) There's also http://www.horde.org/imp/ which is reasonably popular.

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: But Mail::Cclient is also unbeleivably powerful. Lying round on my HD there's a Mail::Cclient::Simple which amkes everything much easier but it's one of many projects I've never got round to finishing. Why reinvent the wheel by

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Mark Fowler
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: But Mail::Cclient is also unbeleivably powerful. Lying round on my HD there's a Mail::Cclient::Simple which amkes everything much easier but it's one of many projects I've never got

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread AEF
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: Imp was crap when we started and it's also PHP based. I like PHP (/me gets coat) but I wouldn't do a large scale application in it (especially since I had just just done one then and hit some very large limitations) Could you elaborate on that a

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:06:13PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated threading! Tell me you're joking. If I was joking I wouldn't have ignore Thread-

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 07:49 23/05/01 +0100, you wrote: At 17:37 22/05/2001, Roger Burton West wrote: And get a shell account, why don't you? Thanks. I already have several. [snip] Much as I'd love it if everyone was to be able to post to the list from their favourite Unix mail client all the time,

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Philip Newton
Simon Wistow wrote: the DBI abstraction was, well, nonexistent. As in, if your script has lots of calls to mysql_this and mysql_that, it doesn't look very database independent. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-23 Thread Niklas Nordebo
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:52:39PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: However, the cool futuristic stuff like CORRECT BLOODY WORK WRAPPING is I generally avoid this issue by not working so much that it needs wrapping. -- Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +447966251290 The day is seven hours

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-23 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:52:39PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:32:09PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Much as I'd love it if everyone was to be able to post to the list from their favourite Unix mail client all the time,

RE: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:43 AM Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: This, of course, presupposes that acmemail passes everyone's definition of a decent mail

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Leon Brocard
Chris Ball sent the following bits through the ether: I used to use At-mail a lot at work. Pseudo-interesting question of the day; do you really feel it was ripped off (in the stigmatism-attached sense of the word), or given that it was GPLed or Artistic'd anyway, that it's fair play to them

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:50:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: @Mail (http://webbasedemail.com/) copied my code, my docs, and my images without telling me, added a configuration file, and sold it. I only found out about it by accident, which wasn't good. (it's changed a lot since). This is

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-23 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 12:23:49PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: You should use Damian's Text::AutoFormat. I just used it to reformat the bit above beginning with Indeed. Lovely thing. Have you integrated into a mail server (module, procmail, whatever) so that it gets cleaned on the way in,

Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)

2001-05-23 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:41:33PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 12:23:49PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: You should use Damian's Text::AutoFormat. I just used it to reformat the bit above beginning with Indeed. Lovely thing. Have you integrated into a mail server

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:02:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow typed: According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:02 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). It seems that every

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's bandwagon-jumping. Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically brainwashed; it's become so de rigeur for parties to completely disregard the

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 16:02 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). They are politicians. They

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:19 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: thank goodness for proportioanl representation, it should make the next parliament a lot more representative of what people actually want, ratehr than a choice between 2 (and a half ) evils. Errr... no PR yet for general elections! Slight aside, but

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Wistow
Simon Cozens wrote: I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet. Personally I don't believe a word anybody says

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Chris Heathcote sent the following bits through the ether: It seems that every promise in the Tory manifesto is based on hearsay It'd be okay if they were based on shaggy or fat boy slim... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 16:31 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's bandwagon-jumping. Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically brainwashed; i The cynicism of the

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Mison
On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK .. perhaps someting more

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 4:46 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: Simon Cozens wrote: I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet.

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:44:25PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: We vote for the encumbent party until they screw up big time and then we switch and repeat the process. Except we don't while they can arrange for elections to be when everyone's forgotten about their big screwups. Also, in

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
At 17:01 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: Right, yes, which is why we - sorry, you plural, I was way out of the country at the time - elected Labour based on their fantastic performance last time which lead to the General Strike and the Winter of Discontent. Sorry, a nanosecond of thought would show

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:16:41PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Labour were voted in on the basis of the Tories screw ups. Yes, so what you said about the party's previous record as, indeed, irrelevant. Labour hasn't screwed up yet. Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Oh, and fix your

RE: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:03 PM According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means font size=bloody huge

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? The actual text is: A future Conservative

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:37:23PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? But I wanna type, I wanna type, I wanna type! Roger, where we come from we have a word for people like that. -- I did write and

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/5/01 5:26 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: Errr... no PR yet for general elections! really .. are you sure ? .. I'm certain this lot said they were going to do something about that ... how odd. It was part of the buttering-up in case of a need for a Lib-Lab pact. It's certainly been pushed

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. Leon -- ... Money is the root of all wealth

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:25:36PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Your sigfile is a mighty repository of evil. Martin

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 06:49:01PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Martin Ling
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated threading! Tell me you're joking. Martin

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Paul Mison wrote: On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang on that ones been done before and had a distinctly

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Alex Gough
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: hmmm .. I was tempted just to let it pass .. but I can't resist ;) What you need to remember is this : They will say ANYTHING to get your vote .. ANYTHING. Even the truth? I'd very much doubt that. Alex Gough -- I don't believe that honesty

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 09:14:05PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated