[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-21 Thread erne...@aquila.mus.br
PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Please don't forget to mention Millennium of Music, the longest-running syndicated radio program featuring a broad and diverse selection of early music. The Harmonia program has a direct connection with that American early

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-16 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
stimulated by his encounter with Bream. Guess we may never know for certain. Mark From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-16 Thread Mark Seifert
: Monday, August 12, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4f8fej9Sqo Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-15 Thread Mark Seifert
, August 12, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4f8fej9Sqo Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-14 Thread Mark Seifert
...@hotmail.com To: Nancy Carlin na...@nancycarlinassociates.com; William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Please don't forget to mention

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-13 Thread wikla
Very interesting! Thanks! But it is quite irritating to see, how obsequious JB is ... Arto On 13/08/13 01:32, Braig, Eugene wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4f8fej9Sqo Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-13 Thread Ed Durbrow
On the complete DVD, which you can find on youtube, you get more background to the encounter. It was an impossible situation for Julian. On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:47 PM, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: But it is quite irritating to see, how obsequious JB is ... Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-13 Thread William Samson
an opportunity there. Bill From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@gmail.com To: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 8:55 Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute? On the complete DVD, which you can

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-13 Thread Braig, Eugene
: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:47 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute? Very interesting! Thanks! But it is quite irritating to see, how obsequious JB is ... Arto On 13/08/13 01:32, Braig, Eugene wrote: http

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-13 Thread Braig, Eugene
-Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of William Samson Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:40 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute? In a recent interview Bream said

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Seifert
3:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute? In a recent interview Bream said that his main career objective was to get serious composers to write for the guitar and admitted that he made a nuisance of himself in the nicest

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Seifert
...@gmail.com; David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stephen Stubbs fartrea...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness If we want more audience we need to be inclusive

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-12 Thread William Samson
mirror! I'm hugely impressed! 8.5 was my limit. From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 11 August 2013, 20:36 Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy? G's and O's indeed. I remember how my lute hand coordination

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-12 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 12/08/13 2:46 AM, William Samson wrote: Sadly, I suspect that 'sidewalk lutenists' wouldn't attract the same queues as sidewalk astronomers. Even I, as a lutenist, have a much clearer recollection of my first view of Saturn's rings through a telescope than I have of first

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-12 Thread A.J. Padilla MD
To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy? On 12/08/13 2:46 AM, William Samson wrote: Sadly, I suspect that 'sidewalk lutenists' wouldn't attract the same queues as sidewalk astronomers. Even I, as a lutenist, have a much clearer recollection

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Stephen Stubbs
[Stephen] There is an interesting book by Phyllis Tickle entitled The Great Emergence. It deals with modern Christianity and how it is evolving. I think her main theme applies to the lute world as well. The 'traditionalist' or 'fundamentalist' lute group will decline, and a rise of a 'hybrid'

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-12 Thread Roland Hayes
'; 'lute' Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy? I'll bet some large fraction (at least in the U.S.) of lute players, professional or avocational, got turned on by the 1960's Julian Bream album An Evening of Elizabethan Music. Even though he was playing a heavily

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Christopher Wilke
...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, August 11, 2013, 11:58 AM    NYC Medieval Festival at Fort Tryon was originally run by the history    department of Hunter College of CUNY, very nicely too. Until SCA took

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-12 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 12/08/13 9:12 AM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote: I'll bet some large fraction (at least in the U.S.) of lute players, professional or avocational, got turned on by the 1960's Julian Bream album An Evening of Elizabethan Music. Even though he was playing a heavily-constructed, inauthentic LSO

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Christopher Wilke
: Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness To: t...@heartistrymusic.com, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: 'Stephen Stubbs' fartrea...@gmail.com Date: Monday, August 12, 2013, 9:24 AM [Stephen] There is an interesting book by Phyllis Tickle entitled The Great Emergence.  It deals with modern

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread David Smith
If we want more audience we need to be inclusive and not exclusive. A number of comments on this thread appear exclusive; almost a parody of the attitude that has been attributed to main stream classical musicians. Stephen, I heartily agree with your comments. The lute community is and will

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Bruno Correia
Chris, It seems that the lute world revolve exclusively around these figures. Any performer below these names are simply non-existent, very unfair I believe. 2013/8/12 Christopher Wilke [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com Stephen, I think you are correct. This is essentially

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-12 Thread Dan Winheld
Of Geoff Gaherty Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:32 AM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy? On 12/08/13 2:46 AM, William Samson wrote: Sadly, I suspect that 'sidewalk lutenists' wouldn't attract the same queues as sidewalk astronomers. Even I

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread William Samson
' fartrea...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 15:00 Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Stephen, I think you are correct. This is essentially what I was getting at about the concert fee for less-than-established artists. Paul O'Dette, Hoppy Smith, Nigel North

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Mark Delpriora
, Stephen Stubbs [1]fartrea...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness To: [2]t...@heartistrymusic.com, [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: 'Stephen Stubbs' [4]fartrea...@gmail.com Date: Monday, August 12, 2013, 9:24 AM [Stephen] There is an interesting book

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Miles Dempster
Forty years ago the continuo section of an early music performance hardly ever featured a finger-plucked instrument. The theorbo and archlute have since then become 'standard', providing bread and butter work for competent continuo players. Miles On 2013-08-12, at 10:45 AM, William Samson

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread William Samson
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 17:00 Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Forty years ago the continuo section of an early music performance hardly ever featured a finger-plucked instrument. The theorbo and archlute have since then become 'standard

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 12/08/13 10:45 AM, William Samson wrote: Nowadays, of course, there are very many more great quality lutenists than there were forty years ago, but there's not nearly enough work to go round to keep them all busy as concert performers. Interestingly enough, exactly the same

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Braig, Eugene
-Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Wilke Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:32 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; t...@heartistrymusic.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Tom, I am by no means opposed

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Edward Mast
At least an aspect of this issue - regarding audiences for the lute and early music - must deal with the lute as a solo instrument, and its appeal to audiences in that capacity. To begin with, how many solo instrumentalists of any instrument, can expect to play to a large audience? Certainly

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Nancy Carlin
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 17:00 Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Forty years ago the continuo section of an early music performance hardly ever featured a finger-plucked instrument. The theorbo and archlute have since then become 'standard

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Ron Andrico
...@nancycarlinassociates.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness There are a lot of good up and coming bands around. Take a listen to this week's Early Music Show on the BBC web site. They have a bit of music from a lot of the entries, only one of which has lute featured. The City

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Sean Smith
the attention of the Great Unwashed (ie non- lutenists). Bill From: Miles Dempster miles.demps...@gmail.com To: Lutelist List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 17:00 Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Forty years ago the continuo section of an early music

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Monica Hall
on the harpsichord rather than the piano. Monica - Original Message - From: Nancy Carlin na...@nancycarlinassociates.com To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 12/08/13 3:16 PM, Sean Smith wrote: In other words it's hard to build up trust and the label created an easy proxy for it. Back in the '50s the recording industry was dominated by three companies (Victor, Columbia, and Decca in the US), and they basically dictated what people heard:99%

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Leonard Williams
-Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Geoff Gaherty Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:32 AM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy? On 12/08/13 2:46 AM, William Samson wrote: Sadly, I

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Leonard Williams
unwelcome here. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Sun, 8/11/13, t...@heartistrymusic.com t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness To: lute

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread Braig, Eugene
To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness On 12/08/13 3:16 PM, Sean Smith wrote: In other words it's hard to build up trust and the label created an easy proxy for it. Back in the '50s the recording industry was dominated by three companies (Victor, Columbia, and Decca

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Sean Smith
: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy? On 12/08/13 2:46 AM, William Samson wrote: Sadly, I suspect that 'sidewalk lutenists' wouldn't attract the same queues as sidewalk astronomers. Even I, as a lutenist, have a much clearer recollection of my first view

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Allan Alexander
Julian Bream hands down To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Lindberg, Richard
Bream for me and others that followed - but he was the first. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Allan Alexander Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:36 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 12/08/13 6:04 PM, Lindberg, Richard wrote: Bream for me and others that followed - but he was the first. Bream also did a lot of touring on both sides of the Atlantic in those days. I can remember attending a concert in which he played guitar in one half and lute in the other. He was

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Francesco Tribioli
to play the lute.brbrFrancesco brbrbr- Reply message -brDa: quot;Lindberg, Richardquot; lt;richard.lindb...@arrisi.comgt;brA: quot;Allan Alexanderquot; lt;guitarandl...@earthlink.netgt;, quot;lute@cs.dartmouth.eduquot; lt;lute@cs.dartmouth.edugt;brOggetto: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Would you like to see my lute?

2013-08-12 Thread Braig, Eugene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4f8fej9Sqo Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2013-08-12 Thread guitarandlute
Konrad Ragosnig 6 lp set for Archiv Yes, After Bream he did so much. I have that set on CD now. They are wonderful recordings for lute. and even more a double lp with Eugen Dombois playing Weiss and Bach and Michael Schaeffer playing French baroque. Absolutely beautiful. It was the

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread howard posner
On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu wrote: By the way, can you use any reentrant tuning schemes on tromba marina, or does that depend upon its scale length? It depends on how willing you are to tolerate a toy tromba marina. -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Lindberg, Richard
Of Geoff Gaherty Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:22 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll On 12/08/13 6:04 PM, Lindberg, Richard wrote: Bream for me and others that followed - but he was the first. Bream also did a lot of touring on both sides

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread tom
The lute world needs to reach out to the non-traditional audience. Thanks Stephen. I agree. Tom [Stephen] There is an interesting book by Phyllis Tickle entitled The Great Emergence. It deals with modern Christianity and how it is evolving. I think her main theme applies to the lute

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread tom
: Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, August 11, 2013, 11:58 AM    NYC Medieval Festival at Fort Tryon was originally run by the history    department of Hunter College of CUNY, very nicely too. Until SCA took    over.. RT    Are we

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread tom
If we want more audience we need to be inclusive and not exclusive... Very well said David. I too remember Julian Bream as an early introduction ... For me it was walking into a record store just before my senior year in college and finding Musik fur 2 3 Lauten.

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - Poll

2013-08-12 Thread Edward Chrysogonus Yong
Must be a generation gap thing then… I'm 35 and my first cd of lute music was the album of English Lute Duets played by Jakob Lindberg and Paul O'Dette, acquired in 1991. That sound was a revelation to me, and I ended up acquiring a pre-loved 7-course Harwood lute on a holiday to London in

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread Christopher Wilke
...@osu.edu To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Sorry, we really do try our best, but a series like ours here in Columbus, OH doesn't draw the huge names and never pays the somewhat

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread gary
. Tom _ _ From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 6:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread Ron Fletcher
OK - I'll agree that a lot of folks who get into SCA and go to Renaissance Festivals have a very non-HIP viewpoint on what it's all about. For them it's basically play-acting, in the same way as those who attend Civil War Re-enactments, or Rendezvous Re-enactments. It creates for them

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 11/08/13 9:41 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote: My main point is that true historical re-enactment is not fantasy, but a desire to generate public awareness of our great heritage. For a number of years, I was music director for Poculi Ludiquae Societas, the medieval drama society at the University

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
NYC Medieval Festival at Fort Tryon was originally run by the history department of Hunter College of CUNY, very nicely too. Until SCA took over.. RT On 8/11/2013 11:08 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: On 11/08/13 9:41 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote: My main point is that true historical re-enactment is

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread tom
Thanks for these comments. I didn't mean to infer that reenactors are playing like children. Yes - they have a genuine interest in the history. Some even go a little overboard - I met one Civil War reenactor who felt he was more historically accurate than others because he actually had fleas.

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
No, they don't. If they did - they'd burn a few at the stake. RT On 8/11/2013 11:48 AM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Thanks for these comments. I didn't mean to infer that reenactors are playing like children. Yes - they have a genuine interest in the history. To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread tom
NYC Medieval Festival at Fort Tryon was originally run by the history department of Hunter College of CUNY, very nicely too. Until SCA took over.. RT Are we trying creatively to increase general audience for lute music here, or are we practicing exclusivity? I'm looking

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
With friends like those we won't need enemies. Early Music appeals the easiest to people who like classical avantgarde, strangely enough. As well as those who abhor the latter As to music sales: the CD is dead, and no one will buy Asteria CDs at SCA faires. 99% of music sales

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread Mark Seifert
Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness On 11/08/13 9:41 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote: My main point is that true historical re-enactment is not fantasy, but a desire to generate public awareness of our great heritage. For a number of years, I was music director for Poculi

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread William Samson
: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Dear Geoff Gaherty, et alia, et aliens Its so gratifying and exciting to encounter another astro-interested person, as I attempt email near the Julian Starfest here in southern CA (communications are spotty here). The skies last night

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-11 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 11/08/13 2:27 PM, William Samson wrote: Gadzooks and odsbodikins (as we lute-playing chappies are wont to say)! Do you think there's a case for an astro-lute breakaway group? I was curator of a public observatory in Dundee, Scotland for five years, before I retired.

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-11 Thread Sean Smith
]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:08 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness On 11/08/13 9:41 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote: My main point is that true historical re-enactment is not fantasy, but a desire to generate public awareness of our great heritage

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-11 Thread Mark Seifert
12:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy? G's and O's indeed. I remember how my lute hand coordination grew as I ground and polished my first 12 mirror. Just as I finished it (mid 90s) Saturn and Jupiter were both visible in the early evening sky. My

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness - astronomy analogy?

2013-08-11 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 11/08/13 11:01 PM, Mark Seifert wrote: I've often wondered if my interest in astronomy might be a desire to seek a celestial escape route from this earth. Quite the opposite for me. For me both the stars and music ground me and help me feel at peace with myself. I've recently been

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-10 Thread John Lenti
You guys know that transposing down a third while reading baritone clef means you're reading bass clef, right? Somebody plunks bari clef on your stand, first thing you do is affect a thoughtful air and say you get such a pretty, plummy sound in your middle rangethis might sound crazy, but

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-10 Thread John Lenti
That's just fun trivia. As to the matter at hand, right on, Danny. Sent from my Ouija board On Aug 10, 2013, at 4:20 AM, John Lenti johnle...@hotmail.com wrote: You guys know that transposing down a third while reading baritone clef means you're reading bass clef, right? Somebody plunks

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-10 Thread Christopher Wilke
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 6:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness The point I am making about fees is that any society around here at that time (Dundee, Scotland, 1980) has a fixed budget for performers. The usual practice (even now, I

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-10 Thread Braig, Eugene
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Christopher Wilke [chriswi...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:50 AM To: William Samson; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness On the other hand, this can make things incredibly difficult

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-10 Thread tom
_ _ From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 6:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness The point I am making about fees is that any society

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread gary
Kind of a World Wrestling Federation view of the renaissance. Gary On 8/8/2013 6:12 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote: . . . Many (certainly not all) somehow believing that assuming a bad cockney accent; whacking each other with wooden weapons while feigning the inability to use struck limbs; and

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
...@aquila.mus.br; R. Mattes; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness For those who don't speak American, and don't know American mores: SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism, and it has nothing to do with NYSCA, which is the New York State Council on the Arts

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread tom
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:37 PM To: Stephen Fryer Cc: [4]t...@heartistrymusic.com; Nancy Carlin; [5]erne...@aquila.mus.br; R. Mattes; [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness For those who don't speak American, and don't know American mores: SCA

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread mike murray
To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness . . . Many (certainly not all) somehow believing that assuming a bad cockney accent; whacking each other with wooden weapons

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Braig, Eugene
: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness . . . Many (certainly not all) somehow believing that assuming a bad cockney accent; whacking each other with wooden weapons while feigning the inability to use struck limbs; and listening to modern Irish, Scottish, or English folk songs

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Rafael Muñoz Rodríguez
__ De: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Para: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Enviado: Viernes 9 de agosto de 2013 6:36 Asunto: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness Having taken these keyboard classes

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Dan Winheld
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness I think this is an interesting question, and I will risk posting an honest answer. The answer depends on who is The General Public. I

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread William Samson
Something we haven't heard much about in this discussion is the role that amateur lutenists might play in raising awareness. I have been an amateur lutenist for about 40 years (on and off) and for several years (1980s) a friend and I performed, in period clothes and by

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Tobiah
As amateurs we only accepted travelling expenses and any hospitality that was on offer, but we politely declined any fee. I am of the opinion that for an amateur musician accept a fee is to take what is due to those who depend on performing fees to make a living. I'm not sure I

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Bruno Fournier
Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness A A Yes - unfortunately, Renaissance Faires have been rife with guys in running shoes and a smock playing Stan Rogers songs on Guild guitars. A A But this does not mean that things can't change. A A My son worked Ren

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Daniel Shoskes
I don't know who is living in the bigger bubble. I know lots of Early Music performers from diverse countries and backgrounds not to mention all the exposure from being on the Board of Directors of 3 music organizations (EMA, Apollo's Fire, LSA). I have never heard the laughably ridiculous

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Bruno Correia
Bravo!! Being able to play figures off a baritone clef and transpose down a third while doing so has nothing to do with playing musically, collaboratively and with appropriate ornaments and affect. The stultifying performances of many a conservatory graduate can attest to that.

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread William Samson
concerned. Bill From: Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 22:53 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness On 09/08/13 4:55 PM, William Samson wrote: As amateurs we only accepted travelling expenses and any

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Dan Winheld
Being able to play figures off a baritone clef and transpose down a third while doing so has nothing to do with playing musically, collaboratively and with appropriate ornaments and affect. Yes it does. If you are stopped cold in your tracks by an unfamiliar clef, that will end the

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread Daniel Shoskes
No disrespect meant at all to David Tayler. That was squarely delivered to the people making those comments about whichever videos he was talking about. The original quote: Other Early Music musicians make constant and disparaging jokes about the quality of the lute YouTube videos. They

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-09 Thread terlizzi
Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness No disrespect meant at all to David Tayler. That was squarely delivered to the people making those comments about whichever videos he was talking about. The original quote: Other Early Music musicians make constant and disparaging jokes about

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
That's one scary thought. RT On 8/7/2013 10:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Why not lutes? Get the SCA involved! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread howard posner
On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Brahms used to play in seedy waterfront bars. And perhaps a brothel or two. Probably a myth, albeit one spread by Brahms himself. More thorough research since 1985 strongly suggests that it was a bit of self-mythologizing (i.e.

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Dan Winheld
Too bad, he would have been in great company: Last of the Whorehouse Piano Players - a CD of music by Ralph Sutton Jay McShann. I think the young Albeniz had a few gigs in some seedy places as well. On 8/7/2013 11:45 PM, howard posner wrote: On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:28 PM,

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Stephen Fryer
Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On 07/08/2013 11:15 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: That's one scary thought. RT On 8/7/2013 10:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Why not lutes? Get the SCA involved! To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
It doesn't, but I don't have any poles over 10' here. RT On 8/8/2013 4:55 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On 07/08/2013 11:15 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: That's one scary thought. RT On 8/7/2013 10:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Why not lutes?

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Stephen Fryer
Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scared of them. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:00 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't, but I don't have any poles over 10' here. RT On 8/8/2013 4:55 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
No, it's just the stench that is insufferable. RT On 8/8/2013 5:23 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scared of them. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:00 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't, but I don't have any poles over 10' here. RT

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
For those who don't speak American, and don't know American mores: SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism, and it has nothing to do with NYSCA, which is the New York State Council on the Arts. The latter is a venerable institution that funds arts here, and the former is group of uncultured

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Stephen Fryer
Ah, I take it then that you don't have a real, valid reason. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:25 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's just the stench that is insufferable. RT On 8/8/2013 5:23 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scared of

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Braig, Eugene
Fryer Cc: t...@heartistrymusic.com; Nancy Carlin; erne...@aquila.mus.br; R. Mattes; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness For those who don't speak American, and don't know American mores: SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism, and it has nothing to do

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
Of r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:37 PM To: Stephen Fryer Cc: t...@heartistrymusic.com; Nancy Carlin; erne...@aquila.mus.br; R. Mattes; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness For those who don't speak American, and don't know American mores: SCA

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread David Tayler
I think this is an interesting question, and I will risk posting an honest answer. The answer depends on who is The General Public. I divide the groups as: the 200 countries of YouTube distribution, Academics, other lute players, people in the Early Music scene, and modern

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Bruno Correia
Dear David, Didn't get your point. As you say, the general public is pretty diverse, ok that's fine. Then, you change the focus to the lack of skill of today's lutenists... What does it mean exactly? We are so bad that we don't deserve to be listened? That's probably why people

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