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From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not
develop
a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well
want to pay for 2 phones.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not develop
a CDMA
there, and
I don't
want to pay for 2 phones.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could
I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not develop
a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I don't
know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other than
2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just
have to
don't
want to pay for 2 phones.
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From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not develop
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How
this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard
there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The
technology VZW is planning to move toward
The 5 year GSM deal came from this May 2007 article in USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-att-iphone_N.htm
In particular:
ATT has exclusive U.S. distribution rights for five years — an
eternity in the go-go cellphone world. And Apple is barred for that time
from
Do we have a demo of someone using vo on the i phone yet?
On 18/06/2009, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
The 5 year GSM deal came from this May 2007 article in USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-att-iphone_N.htm
In particular:
ATT has exclusive U.S.
I guess what I heard was that Apple in the early days was shopping
around their early prototypes and demos to different phone companies.
Unlike most phone vendors they wanted no meddling from the carrier and
would simply deliver their device 'as is'. That wasn't (isn't) the way
it was done but
.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
It is just great. I'm wordless... I'll try to get an iPhone as soon as I can
too. Did you guys read the long article about Snow Leopard accessibility?
Web browsing seems to have been enhanced a lot.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:54
Just to clarify some of this ATT exclusivity contract business…
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the
ATT Apple contract expires in 2010.
That's not really true. No one, outside the parties involved, know the
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
As I had mentioned in the past, the non-S model of iPhone didn't
have enough power to do real text to speech so I was kinda hoping
we'd have VO with the newly released model. That also means we won't
have this migrating to iPods and such
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with
low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems.
I saw this in a demo.
Just to clarify, VoiceOver is not in the demo, though the iPhone's TTS
is demonstrated.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll
end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform
where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to
make there applications
, but not which
direction to go after you get off the bus, what streets to cross, and how far.
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From: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9
HI,
I don't have the source off-hand. This came up on another phone
Developers mailing list. But, I see things have changed.
Regards,
Alex,
On 11-Jun-09, at 10:05 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive
:)
- Original Message -
From: Larry Wanger
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
To throw some more fuel on this discussion, Apple tends to be a
company that plans ahead and has a road map
Hi,
I thought I made it clear, or maybe I didn't that after talkng to
Apple there is indeed Voiceover on the iPod Touch.
Regards,
Alex,
On 9-Jun-09, at 10:37 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the
ATT Apple contract expires in
And where is the demo???
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
Hi,
The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with
low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems.
I saw this in a demo.
Regards,
Alex,
Yes I have said this Larry and I have it on good authority VZW will
get the iPhone. As far as when, I don't know, but you can bet VZW
wants it and so do their customers. As far as the agreement with ATT,
I believe that exclusive agreement ends this year and I know ATT was
trying to extend
.
Pete
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Scott,
In a couple of previous
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Scott,
In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be
on the
Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are
saying.
Apple and att have an exclusive contract
heck yes omg! s freakin' excited!
On 9-Jun-09, at 12:38 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
Wow, that's going to be totally awesome. Especially the web stuff in
there. Sweet
On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
HI,
Note: I do not have a Snow Leopard build.
of
Voiceover?
Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch?
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind
touch?
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll
have to get me an iPhone
I wonder when it will be released in Sweden. I already plan on how to
sell my E66.:-) I couldn't agree more with Josh, i'm in shock and so
excited. I wonder how the sound quality of the Iphones phone is. Well
it's gonna be cool anyways, if only i could be sure it would be sold
here as
9 jun 2009 kl. 09.41 skrev Jessi and Goldina:
oh, such an exciting time to be a mac user!
I couldn't agree more. I'm so glad i jumped on the Mac train when i
did. I can't believe what Apple is doing for us.
/Krister
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You received
Listen to the keynote from WWDC at www.apple.com. It's a rather
lengthy presentation but really interesting. At some point they
specify exactly in which countries the iPhone will be sold, and when
it's coming out. In Spain it's coming out this month.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Krister
And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of
the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make
that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming?
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote:
And, you've made the point. You have more choices
Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll
end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform
where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to
make there applications accessable.
To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing
Damn, I guess I'm just going to have to purchase a Macbook or Macbook
Pro. To bad Apple couldn't release a trackpad that could be used in
place of the mouse. I guess I'll have to get an iPhone as well, but
you know I hope one will come to Verizon Wireless since I would prefer
to stick
Well said, Ben. Most developers of software on the mac, have
developed with accessibility in mind, or if they haven't, they've
listened to our concerns , and look how the mac has taken off in the
blind community.I'd think the iPhone will do the same in my
opinion. I'd give it a
I will not get rid of my MSP license either, but the fact is that here
in Spain we only have GSM carriers, and none of them is really hated
by people. If VO on the iPhone works as well as VO on the Mac, I will
simply get an iPhone the next time I need to purchase a cell phone. I
like VO,
I think on the Apple website it said that all programs that come with
the iPhone are accessible, and it specified including google maps.
If google maps is truly accessible, a GPS solution can't be that hard
to get to work...
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
And what about
Well, and the same goes for Windows Mobile. I have tried apps for that
platform many times which aren't read by Mobile Speak at all.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll
end up with the exact same situation
That is true and I forgot to mention that. YOu can use a version of
the Marc Space app and of course now I'm drawing a blank, but there is
support for the iPhone in this app and it costs I believe $40. So,
yes, there are other options beyond iTunes.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll
have to
get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just
tremendous.
The description of how it works
The new iphone will be supported on varizon, which is cdma. Will be
interesting to see if other companies are supported. I've read that
the iphone does have a builtin gps app and since they say that the
built in apps are accessible, the gps might be. I'm sure braille can
be supported
demonstration videos showing the addition
of
Voiceover?
Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch?
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes
oh I know!!! it's amazing the mac may not be for everybody, but it
is most certainly for me!!
On 9-Jun-09, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
9 jun 2009 kl. 09.41 skrev Jessi and Goldina:
oh, such an exciting time to be a mac user!
I couldn't agree more. I'm so glad i jumped
The same thing is about to happento our beloved Symbian. Of all the
apps i've tried to install on my E66, some have workt partially but
most have never worked at all, and now, even programs that come with
the phone, such as Calendar and in some cases the mail app has stopped
working and i
Hi Larry, I don't think any of it is impossible. I'd be really
surprized if it wasn't in the works somewhere already actually. It's
going to take really firm development on it to get me to switch.
Besides, I read oh, 20/30 messages this morning from wow'm zow'm
enthusiasts who were
HI,
YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT
ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE.
REGARDS,
ALEX,
On 9-Jun-09, at 5:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll
end up with the exact same situation you have on every other
will be available for the ipod touch?
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll
have to
get me
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
HI,
YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT
ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE.
...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone
section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely
won't
It's going to take early adopters to make it better, so I guess we
should thank those that rush out and get one smiles.
Mike
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:00 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi Larry, I don't think any of it is impossible. I'd be really
surprized if it wasn't in the works somewhere
- Original Message -
From: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll
have to
get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can
I might be wrong, but Mac OS X has been around for quite a long time
now, and it is possible to create Mac compatible apps without using
the Cocoa framework. This is were I might really be wrong, but from
what I heard yesterday from the WWDC keynote, and from what I've read,
developers
Yeah and it wouldn't cost $895, which quite frankly is a bit expensive
in my opinion. And no, I'm not bashing anyone or Code Factory etc. I
see the benefits of the software and for some $895 is well worth every
dime and I can't argue that point. My hope is that maybe other options
will
Well I've heard it would be supported, but the question is when. Guess
I need to call Verizon Wireless. I'm actually do for an upgrade and so
I might just have to get one as soon as it is available.
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do you have the link for that page?
_
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Read the iPhone page
On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
do you have the link for that page?
It's only been posted a zillion times. This maks a zillion and one, I
guess:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html
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someone work the keyboard since it has a touch screen.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
] On Behalf Of glenn
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 7:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Hello
Does anyone
] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Read the iPhone page on the apple accessibility website. It will
answer your questions.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
does
@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll
have to
get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just
tremendous.
The description of how it works sounds very
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers
behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone
market, its what phone offers you what you
On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility
with the
maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually
obligated to
stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it.
Dunno where
-
From: Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility
with the
maps
the same
length and then mix it down into one later.
- Original Message -
From: Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote
:54 AM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
HI,
YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT
ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE.
...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone
section. Not to say
.
- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Yeah and it wouldn't cost $895, which quite frankly is a bit expensive
in my opinion. And no, I'm not bashing
To throw some more fuel on this discussion, Apple tends to be a
company that plans ahead and has a road map in terms of where it is
going. Wouldn't you think that they knew that over time they
anticipated adding voice over to the iPhone? And, we know that VO was
on the Mac for a few years
Scott,
In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be
on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you
are saying. Apple and att have an exclusive contract. The length of
this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said
that do it.
- Original Message -
From: Larry Wanger lsw...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main
drivers
behind your decision
: voice over comes to the I phone
Scott,
In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be
on the
Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are
saying.
Apple and att have an exclusive contract. The length of this
contract isn't
really clear
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Scott,
In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be
on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you
are saying.
Apple and att have an exclusive contract. The length of this contract
isn't really clear
Hi,
The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn
directions.
So they have them.
Regards,
Alex,
On 9-Jun-09, at 4:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility
Hi,
The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with
low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems.
I saw this in a demo.
Regards,
Alex,
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where did you see the demo? are you talking about the IPhone guided
tour on the apple site? I don't think that would be the voice, but
maybe.
On 9-Jun-09, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
Hi,
The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with
low RAM systems. She is
Hi,
Yep. Sure is..
Regards,
Alex,
On 9-Jun-09, at 8:42 PM, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
where did you see the demo? are you talking about the IPhone guided
tour on the apple site? I don't think that would be the voice, but
maybe.
On 9-Jun-09, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
Hi,
The
Sounds to me like an improved version of Agness. I'm guessing the
voice shown in the guided tour during the voice control section is the
same used for VO feedback.
James
On 6/9/09, Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Yep. Sure is..
Regards,
Alex,
On 9-Jun-09, at 8:42 PM,
On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
Ah, so that means that we will probably not see something useful for
the
blind unless we could accessibly jailbreak and keep VO in tact.
What?! Which part of All apps that ship with the phone will work with
Voiceover was unclear?
As I had mentioned in the past, the non-S model of iPhone didn't have
enough power to do real text to speech so I was kinda hoping we'd have
VO with the newly released model. That also means we won't have this
migrating to iPods and such anytime soon. Hope it works well in the real
world.
CB
for the ipod touch?
Glenn
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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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From: Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
HI,
YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS
It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the
ATT Apple contract expires in 2010.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:
Scott,
In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be
on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have
to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous.
The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely
cannot wait.
Josh de Lioncourt
…my other mail provider is an owl…
PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have to get
me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous.
The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely cannot
wait.
Josh de
, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have to
get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous.
The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely cannot
wait
It is just great. I'm wordless... I'll try to get an iPhone as soon as
I can too. Did you guys read the long article about Snow Leopard
accessibility? Web browsing seems to have been enhanced a lot.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
I'm still kind of in shock. This is
: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have
to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just
tremendous
: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll
have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just
tremendous
-
From: Josh de Lioncourt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll
have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just
tremendous
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