On 2021-09-23 at 14:05:13 UTC-0400 (Thu, 23 Sep 2021 11:05:13 -0700)
Jo
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> On 23 Sep 2021, at 8:47, Bill Cole wrote:
>
>> On 2021-09-23 at 10:31:58 UTC-0400 (Thu, 23 Sep 2021 16:31:58 +0200)
>> aisrael
>> is rumored to have said:
>
> How
so implies the
same collection of source accounts on both machines, so it is prudent to
also sync the Sources.plist file whenever you sync Mailboxes.plist.
So, in practice it is not something that is simply automated to get
'live' synchronization.
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On 2021-08-25 at 12:29:08 UTC-0400 (Wed, 25 Aug 2021 17:29:08 +0100)
Raza Rizvi
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[details snipped]
Anyone else got any clue what is going on!
Check MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior
Another possibility is that your IMAP server is doing some sort of
auto-expunge.
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from scratch.
Operating systems have finally started to remove Python 2.x packages
from their official distributions and Apple is one of the last to do so.
They are apparently including a mechanism for warning users in the
Monterey beta, which is a good thing.
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ou moved it elsewhere before noticing
that it had been in Spam (which is down in the Sources section of the
mailbox list where you might not see it.)
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it
did not put it in that folde
: the "URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_SPAM" hit scored at 7. That hit indicates
that there was a link in the message body whose domain is listed in the
Spamhaus DBL list: https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl. It is rare for the DBL
to list domains that are not exclusively used in spam, but it does
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ot; option to use any address I like, which MM will match to
an account using their "Address Pattern" settings. Because each IMAP
account has its own SMTP server setting, setting the From address
determines the SMTP server.
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Ralph
On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700)
Ralph Alvy
is rumored to have said:
If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with
SMTP server to use for outgoing mail?
Each account has its own exclusive
users to arbitrarily select
which outbound path to use with each message, regardless of which sender
address is used. That is not generally safe today, but it was once
entirely reasonable.
- - -
On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 1
on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming
to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail
server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or
worse: dropped silently.
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this by checking for the cache of the account in a
subdirectory of ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/
which has the form '[%40mail.domain]@' It
will be there before you delete the account and gone after.
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the other field names for
> MailMate. Can you help?
I don't believe there can be a definitive list because MM can use any header
field that exists in any message. You can see all of those in
~/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/Database.noindex/Headers, where each
indexed header has 3 f
at the end of message files and a dovecot-keywords
file.
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in the Message menu (or by
right-clicking the message in the message list.)
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anti-spam tooling with minimal risk and no legal
issues.
On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Bill Cole
wrote:
I help manage email systems that see unceasing attempts to break into
accounts, often using username+password combinations leaked by other
systems. At any point in time, one smallish mail
, with the enclosing '<>' URL-encoded (and any other
characters that require it.) Note that technically that is not an 'URL'
because it has no location information, hence it is an 'URI' because it
merely identifies the message, rather than locating it.
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’s been a while since I worked on the software for such services,
so maybe there’s a lot I need to catch up on, but I basically feel
that “ultra-hardened” email is a poor idea.
It sucks. The alternatives are worse.
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hough both advertise support in their CAPABILITY replies.
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On 2021-06-21 at 13:56:04 UTC-0400 (Mon, 21 Jun 2021 11:56:04 -0600)
Randall Meadows
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Do I gather correctly from the list archives that this is just a way
to prevent an address from participating in address auto-completion?
Yes.
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interest...) I can't say for sure. It may just move the messages to the
Trash/Deleted Items folder.
On 20 Jun 2021, at 21:23, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2021-06-20 at 20:31:58 UTC-0400 (Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:31:58 -0700)
Roger Bohn via mailmate
is rumored to have said:
Short version
On 2021-06-20 at 20:31:58 UTC-0400 (Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:31:58 -0700)
Roger Bohn via mailmate
is rumored to have said:
Short version: Is there a secret preference or other mechanism to
“Delete” a message so that it immediately gets deleted from the
server?
Option+Backspace
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execute JavaScript in mail or in response to
magic data received in mail.
Outlook for macOS is available from Microsoft.
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paid a dime top Yahoo but have 2 fully
functional YAHOO IMAP accounts.
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nal reference is a tracker or not.
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ions... Check "Ignore server subscription state for private
namespaces" and uncheck everything in the "Client" column that you don't
ever want to see.
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ent with deleting them to save
disk and/or RAM space. Despite Benny's suggestion, I would be extremely
averse to removing any of the index files with '#' in them, as those are
for logical constructs of MM, not actual headers.
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on
the right. Your "Date Received" column is still too narrow for a more
verbose date, and the column divider circled in the attached image must
be dragged to the right to widen it.
![](cid:60143A01-5B8A-4187-A011-B1C23216B4A3@billmail.scconsult.com
"drag-right.jpg"
on memory I think this could actually be hard to fix given how
MailMate works internally. I'm a bit surprised it hasn't come up
before.
Incidentally, I have seen no problems from years of using MM with a
server that does not use '/' as a hierarchy delimiter.
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another reason to delay "upgrading."
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to either:
1. ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages.noindex if you have
not set a "Custom Location" for your Messages folder.
2. Wherever your Messages folder actually lives, after copying them
there from the old system.
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t a secret
despite multiple threads here on the issue.
I suspect that the bottom-line summary is that high memory use is the
unavoidable price of MailMate's ridiculously fast and flexible searching
and smart mailbox functionality. There is no magical way around the fact
that big data is big.
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system, that copy missed all of your messages.
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et. Conceptually,
Note that some IMAP-like mail systems (e.g. GMail) partially conflate
flags and mailboxes, confusing the issue further.
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see MM ever issuing
a LIST command.
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On 4 May 2021, at 7:16, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2021-05-03 at 10:34:12 UTC-0400 (Mon, 03 May 2021 07:34:12 -0700)
Randall Gellens
is rumored to have said:
On 2 May 2021, at 18:43, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2 May 2021, at 20:01, Randall Gellens wrote
-8"
LC_MONETARY="de_CH.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="de_CH.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="de_CH.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
If only want to use a particular locale with a single program like
MailMate, you can start it in a Terminal session with an environment
override:
LC_ALL=de_CH.UTF-8 /Applicat
On 2021-05-03 at 10:34:12 UTC-0400 (Mon, 03 May 2021 07:34:12 -0700)
Randall Gellens
is rumored to have said:
On 2 May 2021, at 18:43, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2 May 2021, at 20:01, Randall Gellens wrote:
Thanks, I'd forgotten about subscriptions. But where do I set it?
The Edit IMAP Account
es/Layouts/
The format is not very forgiving or well documented.
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the center section under
the other IMAP Server settings?
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and used Telnet to manually
create two mailboxes under a new mailbox and copy the messages it
them. No matter what I try, I can't get Mailmate to see these new
mailboxes.
You need to edit the IMAP subscriptions list via the 'Mailbox->Edit IMAP
Account...' command.
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too slow for you or if you need a different
retention pattern, maybe something like Horcrux will work better. Other
people here have said good things about EagleFiler
(https://c-command.com/eaglefiler/) but I also can't speak to that tool
specifically.
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differently than it does for other SMTP servers (which would
be a surprise) it is doing the best that it can and the problem is with
GMail's quirks or an external issue like SPF.
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of that paragraph... Put more simply:
Even if GMail has verified an alternative sender to their own
satisfaction, it is possible that they are enforcing the policy of a
domain owner which would otherwise interfere with your deliverability.
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as
conformant to formal specs and/or informal norms as it would need to be
in order to rely on sweeping logical generalities to sort how email is
presented.
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On 27 Mar 2021, at 17:14, Andrew Buc wrote:
On Mar 27, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Bill Cole
wrote:
You should make sure that it is there and that in the "Access
Control" pane of the license key's window it allows access by
MailMate. If it does not, you can add MailMate there manually or
e->Registration->Add License...)
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to disk, you could have
inconsistencies between the messages and the index files or amongst the
index files themselves. If you do a restore from TM (or any other
backup) you should probably do a database rebuild as well, as described
in the MailMate Help documentation.
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oing partial
rendering if the image isn't available.
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working so far. I think
I’m on the right track, but please confirm. Thank you!
Seems fine to me.
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based on a limited subset of headers
That means that MM isn't ideal for how everyone works with email.
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es for a total of 8.5KB
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On 26 Feb 2021, at 16:11, Randall Meadows wrote:
Not seeing anything in MM prefs that might affect this.
MM's infamously obscure Counters prefs pane is where you need to look.
The 4 radio buttons at the corners of the icon select the 4 sets of
attention-getting mechanism settings.
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o/real/Messages'
'/Users//Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages'
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Panes" layout?
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Sur?
See https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2020-December/013478.html for
Benny's statement on this.
In summary: Despite the versioning, the "2.0 BETA" version is actually
substantially behind the 1.x release series, particularly for BigSur,
and will not be getting any more updat
On 16 Feb 2021, at 14:56, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:
> My headers also scroll with the message like Max and Michael.
>
> Vanilla MM Version 1.14 (5757), up to date Big Sur OS
Well, I am a bit different: 2.0BETA (6151) on Mojave.
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On 16 Feb 2021, at 12:01, Robert Wall wrote:
On 16 Feb 2021, at 10:53, Bill Cole wrote:
On 16 Feb 2021, at 5:35, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
Hi,
Have I forgotten something or wasn't there a time when the headers
(from/to/subject) *stayed* in place when scrolling ?
...any way to get
that feature back or added ? :)
If you have a custom layout for messages, that may be the root cause.
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t homogeneity (a.k.a. monoculture) is
itself a risk concentrator. It isn't possible to quantitatively balance
the risk of making the whole environment vulnerable to Microsoft's
mistakes vs. the difficulty of supporting and monitoring the safety of a
larger attack surface.
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rary/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/Messages from backups,
especially for backups like TimeMachine that scan whole directories if
one item changes.
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s and so I can leave the desktop instance running
all of the time, doing all of the automation (e.g. rules that move new
messages to the appropriate mailbox as they arrive.)
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Not
g clients that group messages by those headers.
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d blocking) that could be done
programmatically and left me with just triggers to pull for sending
messages and manipulating my router and mail server access controls. A
few times per month, I had to adjust or just toss out what my scripts
prepped for me.
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/github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual/wiki/Bundles
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ist panel (i.e. NOT the Sources section) into any other mailbox
there.
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mail provider. It also is likely to have
delivery problems beyond your own provider if the original sender is in
an unrelated domain.
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to
treat their trash mailboxes (and messages marked as "Deleted" in regular
mailboxes) as a short-term safeguard against accidental deletion rather
than as a permanent archive of mail that isn't worth their effort to
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2001-2009 as his own product.
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versions to convert that to XML or proper JSON or even Apple's binary
plist format. You can also pipe the XML output of plutil to the older
'pl' tool which will convert it back to the old ASCII text format.
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justifiable with Apple Mail (which is less arcane about its
stored mail than Eudora was) so it is probably not worth the $30 license
cost.
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t a broadly useful
strategy.)
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still
always empty, even when I attach a tag (either a word or an emoji) to
a message.
MM tags can have a symbol associated with them as a distinct field. See
the attached screen grab, showing that the tag '$foo' has been given the
symbol ''
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and no conditions.
To minimize clutter in the mailbox list, I keep a folder of mailboxes
that I almost never use directly but which I use either very
occasionally or in that sort of layered construct.
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e-fetching everything. I do it because my IMAP server is an old
Mac as well and it uses TM to back up the Maildir structures of my
mailstore.
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On 13 Oct 2020, at 9:11, Raza Rizvi wrote:
On 13 Oct 2020, at 13:28, Bill Cole wrote:
On 13 Oct 2020, at 6:38, Raza Rizvi wrote:
…
When addressing an email, the composer preference may select
auto-completion recipients based on mails you have previously sent,
across all or a subset
just the address or the display name and address combination.
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On 10 Oct 2020, at 15:22, Olivier Bedouelle wrote:
Hi,
Impossible for me to create a password for Mailmate in Office 365.
Can someone help me?
cordialy
The procedure I gave you worked for me, so I'm entirely out of ideas.
Have you tried asking Microsoft?
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be a new message with the subject
"Please sign in to your Outlook.com account" (or maybe the rough
equivalent in French?) with a link to a verification page. Follow the
instructions.
5. Try again to send the message from (3) above. It should now go
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Caret placement" menu and "Default
signature placement" radio buttons. If the latter is set to "Bottom" and
the former is set to "Above Signature," then in a reply you get quoted
text above the insertion point and the signature (if any) below that.
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of the user1_at_example.com
account?
Look at the "Source" field. It specifies the IMAP mailbox by account and
path.
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I
and everyone else posting here are all people, and if you do not want to
include discussion lists like this one where people write messages,
you'll have a much more complicated problem. The first step in that
would be defining what exactly you mean by "NOT from people."
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that reads mbox or maildir structures directly) or via POP or have
migrated a mailstore from UW-IMAP to another IMAP server at the
filesystem level rather than over IMAP.
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Not
rposes.
Will the alt key be recognized doubly, once to produce the bracket and
then to produce the shortcut? I gather he has to remap these shortcuts
to completely other keys.
It is essential that you have distinct mappings for the distinct
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ecially with per-account limits (which look like
authentication errors) but when the connection is simply ignored at the
network level there may be no useful reason to do anything beyond
offlining the account and turning it red.
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rather than "Command" (a.k.a. "cloverleaf".) Does your
keyboard have a 3rd modifier key of some sort, i.e. Control, Alt, and
Something Else? I know that Windows keyboards usually have a Windows
key, which is often mapped to Mac's Command.
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4 counters that can show up at the different
corners of the Dock icon or in the menu bar.
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turned off when I switch mailboxes.
This sounds like yet another manifestation of the long-lived bug 2045:
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672-mailmate/tickets/2045
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Bill Cole
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On 2 Sep 2020, at 10:39, Pete Resnick wrote:
On 1 Sep 2020, at 22:45, Bill Cole wrote:
On 1 Sep 2020, at 21:22, Antonio Leding wrote:
Or perhaps a better plan of attack is to decouple the SMTP account
definition from the actual IMAP accounts…in essence the ability to
create SMTP account
. Users who don't have a strong understanding of how email works
are sometimes confused by its implementation.
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ws me with the condition "Date is
within last 1 weeks" only 4 mails!
How can it be today, on Monday? Actually the number of mails should be
the same, right?
Where are the other 8 mails?
Do the 2 smart mailboxes have the same source mailboxes?
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.." command at the bottom of the pull-down for
selecting a Condition's header.
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of the IMAP account. Select
the account and "Mailbox->Edit IMAP Account..." menu item will open a
window titled "IMAP Account Settings" with a button labeled "Edit
Subscriptions" which should allow you to select the mailboxes you wish
to see.
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ete Permanently."
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file or template exists."
MailMate generates HTML from Markdown using the Sundown program which is
part of MM's app bundle. Sundown's HTML renderer is entirely internal.
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Bill Cole
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No
lchemy Import"
(after the tool used to convert 20+ years of Eudora mailboxes) which I
usually do not want to include in searches.
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a sync to trigger
the problem, and find the details of which message is the problem in one
of the account's IMAP session logs.
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Bill Cole
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y with commands that are predicated on the success of the
failed command, MM stops doing anything that might be dependent.
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