Re: [MBZ] [Banned] rodbender head
The 87 injectors/prechamber are verticle, the 90 is inclined. You would have to keep the injectors with the newer head. Kevin wrote: Actually, you use the 87 injectors and prechambers in the 90 head. Beware that the lock rings are different between 87 and 90, and you'll need both tools. Also beware, two of the 'head bolts' (which actually aren't much of head bolts, they are the two in the timing chain cavity) are longer on the 90 than on the 87. The 90 head should be old enough that you don't have to machine the 87's prechambers to fit in the head without causing air leaks. K On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 02:26:55PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: but you also have to replace the injectors with the later kind. Luther wrote: Will a '90 350SDL rod bender head work on a '87 300SDL? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
the 601 is a nice little motor also. OK Don wrote: Both my 300D 2.5 and the 300SDL have adequate power for merging - no problems at all. The 602 and 603 engines are great! On 9/24/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trampas wrote: I was just dreaming of having a diesel with enough power such that I can merge onto the highway with out people honking. I guess a cummings diesel pickup would be a better option. I didn't feel like my 300D Turbo lacked for freeway merging power. It wasn't a fast car, but with the turbo it was adequate. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
Well I after my 420SEL bent the valves, I have been driving the worn out 300SD. The poor old car can barely get out of the driveway in the mornings. Much less merge onto I40. I will be replacing head on the 420SEL this week. I had considered putting an OM617 in the car, but I would like something that has more power. Hopefully I can squeeze a few more years out of the car until I can afford the cummings. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 head the 601 is a nice little motor also. OK Don wrote: Both my 300D 2.5 and the 300SDL have adequate power for merging - no problems at all. The 602 and 603 engines are great! On 9/24/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trampas wrote: I was just dreaming of having a diesel with enough power such that I can merge onto the highway with out people honking. I guess a cummings diesel pickup would be a better option. I didn't feel like my 300D Turbo lacked for freeway merging power. It wasn't a fast car, but with the turbo it was adequate. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stalls in gear FIXED Now timing
Hey Mak, The emissions portion of my vehicle is not functioning. MB does not sell replacements. Any idea how the EU version was setup timing wise? the US where at 4 ATDC. That had a vacuum to retard the timing and would kick it up as you accellerated and switched over to advance. This is a M130 250. BTW I tracked down my problem to the two carb mounting gaskets. Found it with some carb cleaner. Tightend it up and ran much stronger. Put it in gear, didn't stall, released the brake and had no problem with the uphill driveway. Thanks everybody for their help! -- Original message -- From: M.Afzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Yes indeed these are the correct carbs minus the idle stop solenoids which came later on for a year or so. . mak I have some left-over used parts for these carburetors (linkages and such). If you want them, you can have them for postage. I once had a 1967 230 with a set of Zeniths. Tom Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M.Afzaal.Khan Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stalls in gear checkl These carbs are Zenith 35/40INAT twins. The best thing to do is adjust everything in the correct sequence including. choke tension and the vaccuam pulldown adjustment screw near the second stage. Stalling on these carbs is invariably due to two things a) the idle air tube gets clogged . spray cleaner into the small hole near the choke flap. works 90 percent. b) the fuel needle valves leak causing a high fuel level in the bowl , symptoms uneven stuttering idle and stalling problems. replace both needle valves if old or clean if new and replace with fresh 1 mm washer under each. this sets the level correctly( 23mm) hope it helps mak 111 220s 110 230 109 280sel 126 300se I'll check the fast idle this weekend. The choke on these carbs, Zenith INAT 32/40's is electric. so the choke pull off happens on it's own. Another interesting thing happened yesterday. After I got home, I tightened the choke spring and took her for a little spin, filled up the tank. Ran fine until I hit a red light then when I tried to take off, she stumbled. I pumped the pedal, still stumbled. I had to lay off all pedals and she slowly accelerated on her one. No problem picking up speed and cruising after that until I came to another light, then the same thing. Engine was definitely at full operating temperature at that point. I looked at the accelerator pump and I'm getting a good stream. Any thoughts on this? Thanks again. George -- Original message -- From: Trampas George, I am not sure on your carburettor but most choke systems work by having a flap close off the air such that the engine runs richer. When you are first starting the car the choke flap is fully closed, once started most cars have a choke pull off this is a vacuum actuator which opens the choke flap slightly to allow more air in thus leaning out mixture. The way to think about it is that you need a really rich mixture to get engine started then slightly rich mixture while engine is cold, then normal mixture when engine is warm. Thus the choke pull off will pull off the choke flap when engine is started to make the mixture slightly rich but not as rich as if the flap was fully closed. Most carburettors have a fast idle cam this is a stepped cam that as the choke flap is closed it will open the throttle butterfly. Thus if the choke pull off pulls the choke flap open too far then what happens is that engine does not run as rich as needed and it will also cause the fast idle to be disabled. The net result is that you put it in gear and it stalls. So basically you have two basic causes for stalling in gear after start. 1 is that the engine is not running rich enough. 2 is that the fast idle is not high enough. Actually I guess there is a 3rd which is a combination of 1 and 2. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stalls in gear while weather is cool Trampas, Tom, Thanks for your help. Here is where I'm confused, and I will be looking closer at the fast idle and choke when I get home tonight, I did let the car warm up until the thermostat opened, I noticed the temp drop. At that point shouldent the chokes be open completely? At that point the 100C switch will shut off the fast idle circuit. It still
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
I will be replacing head on the 420SEL this week. I had considered putting an OM617 in the car, but I would like something that has more power. There's a pretty noticeable difference between the 617 and 603 powered 126's in terms of power. Hopefully I can squeeze a few more years out of the car until I can afford the cummings. If you're gonna lust after her, better get her name right. It's Cummins. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Replacing outer window brushes
I'm replacing the outer window brushes (sealing strip) in all of my windows in my 84 300SD. Before I begin does anyone have any hints to make it easier, for example is it better to loosen the glass in the door? I don't think so. They just pry straight up off the car once you have the trim strips off. They are held on with some pretty gnarly toothy spring clips. Five minutes at the U-Pull looking at a similar car will give you all the information you need. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
Sunday evening and just couldn't resist.. Is that as in cummins and goins...? Bad, I know It's a Phunny Phriday plus TWO! Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ. On Sep 24, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I will be replacing head on the 420SEL this week. I had considered putting an OM617 in the car, but I would like something that has more power. There's a pretty noticeable difference between the 617 and 603 powered 126's in terms of power. Hopefully I can squeeze a few more years out of the car until I can afford the cummings. If you're gonna lust after her, better get her name right. It's Cummins. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] License plate placement
Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks. I tried to set up a registration so I could simply ask a question of a seller, and after 20 minutes of choosing an appropriate user name, etc. I found out that they want my credit or debit card number to register. I shut the computer off and went to bed. Yeah, that's so they can bill you if you sell anything. They used to let people register without one and pay by check, but I suspect it made it too easy to create lots of fake accounts to use as shill bidders.
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
Gary Hurst wrote: I wouldn't even consider 1500 mile oil changes to be overlkill for anyone wishing to keep their car alive for the long run. I don't know. Other people's oil analysis results have convinced me that, for most engines, even on dino oil 3000 mile changes are overkill. There are exceptions -- engines with no filter, for example, and engines run in really dusty conditions.
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D
Is thee a link to fix these? MB Model number is 001-545 2132 You can resolder them yourself if you like, most of them seem to respond to that in my experience. But it's a tedious job, and you'd better know how to solder if you want a good chance of success. Or I can do it. Or you can get a fixed one with a substantial warrantee (and price tag) from GDI or Programma tools, though a quick Google for these doesn't yield any particularly good hits. http://cathey.dogear.com/JSLcruise.html for DIY, http://cathey.dogear.com/mamerepairs.html if rubbing the lamp. -- Jim
[MBZ] Porsche show
Minimal MB content: http://thomas.savage.org/pca/
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
Exactly - YOU have to analyze the oil in YOUR car, based on YOUR driving habits. Don't take anyone else's experience as relevant to you and your car. If you don't want to go to the trouble and expense of a couple of oil analysis's, go by the factory recommended change schedule. Of course, if you read carefully, they do make exceptions for dusty conditions and towing, etc. - so you're still not certain that you're doing the right thing without the analysis. I don't know. Other people's oil analysis results have convinced me that, for most engines, even on dino oil 3000 mile changes are overkill. There are exceptions -- engines with no filter, for example, and engines run in really dusty conditions. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
Great pics! It doesn't look like you'd easily retrofit a US 198 with Euro headlights! On 9/24/06, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minimal MB content: http://thomas.savage.org/pca/ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
OK Don wrote: Exactly - YOU have to analyze the oil in YOUR car, based on YOUR driving habits. Don't take anyone else's experience as relevant to you and your car. If you don't want to go to the trouble and expense of a couple of oil analysis's, go by the factory recommended change schedule. Of course, if you read carefully, they do make exceptions for dusty conditions and towing, etc. - so you're still not certain that you're doing the right thing without the analysis. Agreed. But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed it would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles?
Re: [MBZ] Becker Radio and IPOD
Update on the SONY CD player and the IPOD My wife took me to the mall last night and purchased a 30GB IPOD for me for my birthday. Downloaded a cd and a bunch of Audible.com audiobooks to it this afternoon, cobbled together a double male cable to plug into the aux input on the cd player and lo and behold, I was able to play the IPOD directly through the cd player and the car stereo speakers. Ain't technology wunnerful Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
I don't remember hearing of any come back with less than 10k miles! (Running Mobil 1). I just remembered that Larry posts results on a web site so that you can compare yours with others -- no financial interest, just a happy customer. http://members.rennlist.com/oil/test_results.htm Agreed. But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed it would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] oil sucker
Used my oil sucker to change oil today...I had been using an old dead shopvac as the collection reservoir but went back to the plastic gas can cause it is a whole lot easier to pour the used oil back into the empty 5qt M1 containers. Only drawback with the plastic can is the fact that it kinda crushes, but it maintains enough shape to work ok. All I need it to do is collect the oil until I move it to the empty M1 jugs, so it works well enough for that. I normally check the operation by pulling the drain plug, and as always it was dry as a bone. That made me think that it's probably a good idea to change the copper washer on the drain plug anyway, so did that. Also used the oil sucker to suck the fluid out of the PS pump and changed the filter on it as well, refilled with M1 ATF. I figure it will take a couple of changes to get a complete flush and changeout of the fluid in the PS system. One thing that may not be obvious from Wilton's post is the need to get the engine up to operating temp before using the oil sucker. I learned the hard way that the oil sucker doesn't do a good job of sucking cold oil...got it partially drained and couldn't get any more to come out. Guess I could have put it back in and warmed it up, but I went ahead and finished by draining from the sump into my oil collection pan, which put me back into the situation of making a mess as I tried to transfer to the empty jugs. The local Jiffy Lube takes the recycled stuff with no problem. You have to sign a statement that it doesn't contain any bad stuff, but hey, it came out of a MERCEDES, so it is primo waste oil ;-) Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
no, just that the guys with the insane mileage and no problems do it and the guys who change infrequently are the ones doing the engine repairs i don't let science diminish the power of anectdote. On 9/24/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: Exactly - YOU have to analyze the oil in YOUR car, based on YOUR driving habits. Don't take anyone else's experience as relevant to you and your car. If you don't want to go to the trouble and expense of a couple of oil analysis's, go by the factory recommended change schedule. Of course, if you read carefully, they do make exceptions for dusty conditions and towing, etc. - so you're still not certain that you're doing the right thing without the analysis. Agreed. But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed it would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
Gary Hurst wrote: i don't let science diminish the power of anectdote. Anecdotes are nice that way. You can come up with one to support any position.
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head/weak cold performance/ALDA for sale
In a message dated 9/24/2006 4:13:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I after my 420SEL bent the valves, I have been driving the worn out 300SD. The poor old car can barely get out of the driveway in the mornings. Much less merge onto I40. Trampas, I have for sale a resealed and tested ALDA that might be just up your alley. It sure sounds like you have A: never adjusted your ALDA, or B: It is not getting a pressure signal, or C: the ALDA has a failed chamber. $45 plus shipping. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
Its funny, all this time I've spent thinking MA was the worst place on earth to drive and you guys are always working to dispel these ideas of mine. Heck I've driven in L.A. and thought it was NOTHING compared to Boston, at least none of the streets are one way... So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my 190D and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a rocket! -Curt Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:58:56 -0400 From: Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 head To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was just dreaming of having a diesel with enough power such that I can merge onto the highway with out people honking. I guess a cummings diesel pickup would be a better option. Trampas - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 25 01:55:26 2006 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.180]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GRfgs-00016X-9c for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:55:26 + Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i75so2097754pye for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.219.13 with SMTP id w13mr3534225qbq; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.249.3 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:55:17 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fleece X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:55:26 - I don't know - there are plenty of examples on Larry's site of low mileage samples that are out of spec - a Maybach failed with excessive oxidation after the first 200 miles on the engine. There are many examples of oil with only 1000 miles failing. You don't know what's going on unless you have it analyzed. On 9/24/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i don't let science diminish the power of anectdote. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
Curt Raymond wrote: Its funny, all this time I've spent thinking MA was the worst place on earth to drive and you guys are always working to dispel these ideas of mine. Heck I've driven in L.A. and thought it was NOTHING compared to Boston, at least none of the streets are one way... So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my 190D and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a rocket! When I had my diesel Vanagon (1.6L, NA, 49 horsepower) I once had someone pass me before I'd even cleared the intersection, as I was pulling away from a light!
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
#1. I'm not sure I believe in a gas engine with a half million miles and no head work. Besides which how could you prove that? #2. I used to believe in extra frequent oil changes but Marshall has convinced me. I've been up to 8,000 miles on my 190D before I wussed out. Marshall chided me as the oil really wasn't used up but the thing that concerned me at the time was the iron level which I attribute being high to the carbon burning out of the engine. #3. I don't particularly like taking the time to change the oil even if it is only a little time on a Saturday morning I've got other stuff I could/should be doing. I drive enough where 3,000 mile oil changes would be every other month... -Curt - Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 25 02:02:45 2006 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.199]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GRfnx-0001pH-OX for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:02:45 + Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so658501nzi for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.159.3 with SMTP id l3mr356533qbo; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.249.3 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:02:34 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:02:45 - I saw an article on the worst drivers by State last week. Most were clustered in the NE, though my fellow Okies managed to only score 35th or so. This was based on the results of a test - of the rules, driving habits, etc. I wonder if there are statistics available rating the States on accidents per mile driven, or something similar. I've also wondered if there are studies that correlate personal injury per automobile brand, or something similar. Or, are our Mercedes statistically as safe as we feel they are? On 9/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its funny, all this time I've spent thinking MA was the worst place on earth to drive and you guys are always working to dispel these ideas of mine. Heck I've driven in L.A. and thought it was NOTHING compared to Boston, at least none of the streets are one way... So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my 190D and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a rocket! -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
Cummins Cummings is the last name of a porn star. -Curt Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:12:48 -0400 From: Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 head To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well I after my 420SEL bent the valves, I have been driving the worn out 300SD. The poor old car can barely get out of the driveway in the mornings. Much less merge onto I40. I will be replacing head on the 420SEL this week. I had considered putting an OM617 in the car, but I would like something that has more power. Hopefully I can squeeze a few more years out of the car until I can afford the cummings. Trampas - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1ยข/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 25 02:05:37 2006 Received: from web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.36]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GRfqi-0002AG-UF for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:05:37 + Received: (qmail 35771 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2006 02:05:28 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [63.209.233.16] by web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:05:28 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stalls in gear FIXED Now timing X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:05:37 - Holy crap, old snowmobile thinking comes through on a Mercedes? I might have to buy a gasser. I saw a 230 w123 today, pretty car, teal paint. What are the gasser 123s like? -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:15:02 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Stalls in gear FIXED Now timing To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Hey Mak, The emissions portion of my vehicle is not functioning. MB does not sell replacements. Any idea how the EU version was setup timing wise? the US where at 4 ATDC. That had a vacuum to retard the timing and would kick it up as you accellerated and switched over to advance. This is a M130 250. BTW I tracked down my problem to the two carb mounting gaskets. Found it with some carb cleaner. Tightend it up and ran much stronger. Put it in gear, didn't stall, released the brake and had no problem with the uphill driveway. Thanks everybody for their help! - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 25 02:07:22 2006 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GRfsQ-0002Db-4B for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:07:22 + Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id s.485.9383d97 (57365) for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:07:06 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:07:06 EDT To: mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5326 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender head X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:07:22 - In a message dated 9/24/2006 12:17:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will a '90 350SDL rod
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
Oh hey, I didn't know that was there... 1935 Is me I think... -Curt Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:32:12 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fleece To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't remember hearing of any come back with less than 10k miles! (Running Mobil 1). I just remembered that Larry posts results on a web site so that you can compare yours with others -- no financial interest, just a happy customer. http://members.rennlist.com/oil/test_results.htm Agreed. But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed it would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 25 02:12:22 2006 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GRfxG-0002re-Eu for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:12:22 + Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so426773uge for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.12 with SMTP id c12mr2949892ugm; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.251.17 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:12:10 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fleece X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:12:22 - that's why you must use them carefully On 9/24/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i don't let science diminish the power of anectdote. Anecdotes are nice that way. You can come up with one to support any position. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
On 9/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #1. I'm not sure I believe in a gas engine with a half million miles and no head work. Besides which how could you prove that? i am counting strictly on the testimony of the owner. i have no evidence beyond that. #2. I used to believe in extra frequent oil changes but Marshall has convinced me. I've been up to 8,000 miles on my 190D before I wussed out. Marshall chided me as the oil really wasn't used up but the thing that concerned me at the time was the iron level which I attribute being high to the carbon burning out of the engine. marshall is a man of science. you can be a man of faith and change your oil. #3. I don't particularly like taking the time to change the oil even if it is only a little time on a Saturday morning I've got other stuff I could/should be doing. I drive enough where 3,000 mile oil changes would be every other month... who does? -Curt - Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive
I'd bet a beer all those statistics exist, insurance people are crazy for statistics. -Curt Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:02:34 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I saw an article on the worst drivers by State last week. Most were clustered in the NE, though my fellow Okies managed to only score 35th or so. This was based on the results of a test - of the rules, driving habits, etc. I wonder if there are statistics available rating the States on accidents per mile driven, or something similar. I've also wondered if there are studies that correlate personal injury per automobile brand, or something similar. Or, are our Mercedes statistically as safe as we feel they are? On 9/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its funny, all this time I've spent thinking MA was the worst place on earth to drive and you guys are always working to dispel these ideas of mine. Heck I've driven in L.A. and thought it was NOTHING compared to Boston, at least none of the streets are one way... So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my 190D and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a rocket! -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 25 02:18:01 2006 Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.62]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GRg2j-0003M8-4C for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:18:01 + Received: from dialup-4.225.86.144.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.225.86.144]) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GRg2Y-0001jL-00 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:17:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:12:03 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fleece X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:18:01 - It's not fleece as in wool, it's cotton gin trash. It is NOT anywhere near as good a filter material as proper wound cord (for the bypass portion) or synthetic paper (for the full flow filter portion). Cheapness reigns! Gin trash is actually finer filtering than most paper filters, but also clogs faster, leading to unfiltered oil circulating around the engine. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head
So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my 190D and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a rocket! -Curt Must be a Texas thang, but I almost never hear anybody getting honked at (do see the occasional light flash though). Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Texas has a concealed carry law... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K
Re: [MBZ] Fleece
yes, that has all long been my suspicion but, again, as i believe in oil changes ,it doesn't bother me either way. i use whatever i have around that is of original design On 9/24/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not fleece as in wool, it's cotton gin trash. It is NOT anywhere near as good a filter material as proper wound cord (for the bypass portion) or synthetic paper (for the full flow filter portion). Cheapness reigns! Gin trash is actually finer filtering than most paper filters, but also clogs faster, leading to unfiltered oil circulating around the engine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender head
$10? No, but it's not much higher. I figure someone will come in and out bid me, so I want to keep later bids lower. I'll come back on Saturday and put in my official highest bid to hopefully win the auction. We'll see. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 9/24/2006 12:17:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will a '90 350SDL rod bender head work on a '87 300SDL? Luthor, Now that you have opposing opinions, I hope Dave Mienman will chime in as he has done this. And his photo website is open to the public. My recollection is that the later heads have an inclined pre chamber which CAN be machined and shimmed to use the older vertical pre chambers and injectors. What I don't know is if there is any corresponding change in the tops of the pistons which would preclude using the later head, with the later pre chambers and injectors on the 87 engine. You should ask the seller for a photo of the top of his pistons. Keep us informed, $10 is not your top bid is it!!!? Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] rodbender head
Why would you want to go thru the trouble of machining the head to make the old injectors work when it would be much easier to just use the newer style injectors? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/2006 12:17:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will a '90 350SDL rod bender head work on a '87 300SDL? Luthor, Now that you have opposing opinions, I hope Dave Mienman will chime in as he has done this. And his photo website is open to the public. My recollection is that the later heads have an inclined pre chamber which CAN be machined and shimmed to use the older vertical pre chambers and injectors. What I don't know is if there is any corresponding change in the tops of the pistons which would preclude using the later head, with the later pre chambers and injectors on the 87 engine. You should ask the seller for a photo of the top of his pistons. Keep us informed, $10 is not your top bid is it!!!? Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
That Citroen is sure purdy! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
Sorry I didn't get there. I tried to talk my son into going, but it didn't work out. How much are you charging the 300SL guy for storage? _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tom savage Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Porsche show Minimal MB content: http://thomas.savage.org/pca/
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
PS That's a great looking ashtray in your Gullwing! _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Pembleton Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:30 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche show Sorry I didn't get there. I tried to talk my son into going, but it didn't work out. How much are you charging the 300SL guy for storage? _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tom savage Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Porsche show Minimal MB content: http://thomas.savage.org/pca/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] License plate placement
By the way, thanks, Craig, for the links. I was probably going to buy one of them, but it ended early. I suppose that every time we buy something with a credit card, we have just given over our credit card information. Don't know why I should balk at giving it to ebay. Just took me by surprise that they want it in order to identify us, supposedly. If we're being identified by our credit card accounts now, and we aren't allowed to do business without it, well, can you say prophecy? I trip out on these things. Brian On 9/24/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:09:01 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? Aaaak! I have to get over my internet phobia and start looking on ebay. There just seems to be such opportunity for people to rip people off in that situation. Is this sort of thing kept down by the whole rating thing that ebay has? Sort of. You do have to be careful and look at the seller's feedback. Even then, there's no absolute guarantee. Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240-D-4-PEICE-DASH-WOOD-TRIM-W-GLOVE-BOX-DOOR_W0QQitemZ200028520704QQihZ010QQcategoryZ42612QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 19:28:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-dash-wood-trim-zebrano-300-d-td-280-ce-e_W0QQitemZ270030312784QQihZ017QQcategoryZ33705QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 21:19:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-300D-300CD-280E-300TD-dash-Zebrano-wood_W0QQitemZ120033887075QQihZ002QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-26-06 12:22:28 PDT Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] License plate placement
Oh, also, Craig - what keywords did you enter in order to find these items for sale? I searched last night for Mercedes 123 wood trim and didn't find any of these. I did find an ashtray however (which I need). Brian On 9/24/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:09:01 -0500 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? Aaaak! I have to get over my internet phobia and start looking on ebay. There just seems to be such opportunity for people to rip people off in that situation. Is this sort of thing kept down by the whole rating thing that ebay has? Sort of. You do have to be careful and look at the seller's feedback. Even then, there's no absolute guarantee. Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240-D-4-PEICE-DASH-WOOD-TRIM-W-GLOVE-BOX-DOOR_W0QQitemZ200028520704QQihZ010QQcategoryZ42612QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 19:28:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-dash-wood-trim-zebrano-300-d-td-280-ce-e_W0QQitemZ270030312784QQihZ017QQcategoryZ33705QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-24-06 21:19:01 PDT http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-300D-300CD-280E-300TD-dash-Zebrano-wood_W0QQitemZ120033887075QQihZ002QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Closes Sep-26-06 12:22:28 PDT Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
Frank Pembleton wrote: PS That's a great looking ashtray in your Gullwing! Why thank you. I'm mighty proud of that dash; just finished installing the gauges on Friday. And fit the hood properly. We've decided against bothering with storage fees in favor of some new data tags and a Belarussian title. Tom
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
OK Don wrote: Great pics! It doesn't look like you'd easily retrofit a US 198 with Euro headlights! Actually, that is a US car with euro lights. The roadster had different headlight assemblies than the gullwing and the US/euro units interchange just like any other MB. Tom
Re: [MBZ] License plate placement
Here in Warshington, each of us native-born are empowered to issue citizen warrants and arrests (if necessary), when you farners fail to use your signals when changing lanes or turning. We don't take kindly to such infractions. We're too polite to use our horn, but we do harbor long resentments and may in fact, seek other more creative means of seeking retribution for your real or imagined slights. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! DO NOT MOVE HERE...EVER! On 9/22/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] License plate placement
Ah! My nemesis Zeitgeist breaks its silence. I'll take your warning, and impart one: Take a moment to imagine the sinister possibilities created by the great farner's mind. While you have lived safely sheltered by the borders of your coddling mother Washington, I have been wandering across this land laying my head where I can. I've been encountering all manner of evil and slowly, painfully growing in my capacity to endure - to overcome - by whatever means necessary and at whatever cost. ;D Yes, I am moving there, just as the masses are invading my beloved high desert. And I'm bringing my 68 horsepower 240D. Nothing can stop me. HAAHAHAHAGHaGggg. Hack. Hey, just be glad this invader is actually in this country legally, and is in fact a native. Most areas of this country are being invaded in a different fashion. Brian On 9/24/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Warshington, each of us native-born are empowered to issue citizen warrants and arrests (if necessary), when you farners fail to use your signals when changing lanes or turning. We don't take kindly to such infractions. We're too polite to use our horn, but we do harbor long resentments and may in fact, seek other more creative means of seeking retribution for your real or imagined slights. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! DO NOT MOVE HERE...EVER! On 9/22/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). But anyway, yes, I'm sure it does vary. Unfortunately, Washington, where we're planning on moving does require front plates. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 head/weak cold performance/ALDA for sale
I think the car is worn out. I have adjusted the ALDA and I have it set now where it will blow smoke. I have also disconnected the waste gate as that I can never get anywhere near 14PSI boost. I have also adjusted the valves several times. I have also replaced injector nozzles, timing chain, etc. The problem is that #2 cylinder is low on compression, well actually all of them are well below the 300PSI mark. But why rebuild it if you can not make it better, using a multi-valve cross flow head? Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:51 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 head/weak cold performance/ALDA for sale In a message dated 9/24/2006 4:13:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I after my 420SEL bent the valves, I have been driving the worn out 300SD. The poor old car can barely get out of the driveway in the mornings. Much less merge onto I40. Trampas, I have for sale a resealed and tested ALDA that might be just up your alley. It sure sounds like you have A: never adjusted your ALDA, or B: It is not getting a pressure signal, or C: the ALDA has a failed chamber. $45 plus shipping. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stalls in gear FIXED Now timing
I have the a M130 In the 280S .108 I have timing At 5BTDC and use the advance section of the distributor , At TDC this engine didn't respond nicely with a borderline retard distributor.. mak - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stalls in gear FIXED Now timing Now I just need to get the zeniths sorted out in my 69 250 AND my 72 250C. Lovely. BTW, trim your posts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mak, The emissions portion of my vehicle is not functioning. MB does not sell replacements. Any idea how the EU version was setup timing wise? the US where at 4 ATDC. That had a vacuum to retard the timing and would kick it up as you accellerated and switched over to advance. This is a M130 250. BTW I tracked down my problem to the two carb mounting gaskets. Found it with some carb cleaner. Tightend it up and ran much stronger. Put it in gear, didn't stall, released the brake and had no problem with the uphill driveway. Thanks everybody for their help! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gauges not working
EHA Electro- Hydraulic Actuator ; controls the mixture on the later KE series CIS systems. mak EHA? I'm not familiar with that acronym. Recently I replaced the lambda sensor. and got the Bosch generic version for the 126. but you loose out on the two white wire heater connections. Originally the plug has a white dot on one pin. these heater wire connected one way give a faster response on the diagnostic pins 2 and 3 for the duty cycle.Of course there could be variations on the USA versions compared to European models. Interesting! I would never have expected a heater to be polarity-sensitive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaking steering gear box, 126
Did the slop get removed after the rebuild ? my 126 has about 25 mm of slop but smooth operation and no leaks. mak - Original Message - From: Barry Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaking steering gear box, install seal kit, or replace? Richard, Trampas - Many folks, have suggested that the most cost effective repair may be obtaining a good used box. They go for about $100 or so. I had the one in my 107 rebuilt by a retired M/B mechanic that did them as a hobby and for a few extra retirement bucks. It has worked just fine so far. It was like $550 installed. There have been many other reports on the various lists over the years where many rebuilts proved to be less than satisfactory. Typically if boxes have been maintained and properly adjusted they are good for a long time, thus the recommendation for the used box. I was going to try and rebuild the box in my 126, not because of leaks but for slop, and even bought the seal kit, but never went ahead because of not having the special tools to set up the bearing preloads. Trampas, just how did you accomplish setting up the preloads. Did you do the rolling torques per the manual, or just by feel? Did you end up with a good tight box when you were through? Barry I have resealed several steering boxes and have not had any problems doing it. Has anyone replaced the seals in their gear box? Is it too involved for an average do it yourselfer? I was also thinking of purchasing the seal kit and taking to a local shop and have them do the work Or... do I need to just come up the cash to replace the gear box with a rebuilt one? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil filter change
Wix makes very nice oil filters, but if you use them you must obtain a new o-ring seal from somewhere else -- the one included in the box never fits and I've cut nearly every one I tried to use. Peter I concur with the assessment of the o-ring...never could get the new one to seal so I just re-used the Mann one I had in there. Only reason I tried it in the first place was I ran out of the Manns and didn't have time to shoot an order off to Rusty. I now have a years supply on the shelf, and no more WIX Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
OK. The gullwing looks like you'd have to replace the fender. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've seen a roadster, only gullwings. Actually, that is a US car with euro lights. The roadster had different headlight assemblies than the gullwing and the US/euro units interchange just like any other MB. Tom -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] For you Chicago area residents
I ddin't realize what an a**ho*e he was until he vetoed the living anti-Walmart bill. On 9/22/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mayor Daley at his finest. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] For you Chicago area residents FAA SLAPS CHICAGO IN FINAL MEIGS DECISION As a result of AOPA's complaint, Chicago will pay a $33,000 fine for illegally tearing up Meigs Field without proper notification. And the city will have to repay $1 million of airport funds that Mayor Richard M. Daley illegally diverted from O'Hare and Midway airports to give to the destruction contractors. And with the more than $550,000 the city has already spent attempting to fight the fine and repayment, hapless Chicago taxpayers are out close to $1.6 million, and they've lost a world-class airport that generated $57 million a year in economic activity for the city. The FAA announced the final settlement with the city Monday. The city admitted no wrongdoing. This sends a clear signal to other cities that the FAA is serious about upholding its regulations and that AOPA is serious about holding everyone's feet to the fire when it comes to protecting airports, said AOPA President Phil Boyer. AOPA filed the original complaints that resulted in the fine and fund repayment. Many of us always thought that the civil penalty of $1,100 per day was 'chump change' to a city with the budget of Chicago, said Boyer. But whether he admits it or not, it shows that Daley violated FAA regulations and could have put aircraft at risk. And for the future, it won't be chump change. That's because after Meigs, AOPA successfully lobbied Congress to increase the fine to $10,000 per day, to make it much more painful for another city to attempt a midnight airport raid. Notice of the proposed closure must also be published in the Federal Register. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap 124 diesel wagon
How is 205K miles high mileage on an '87 diesel? On 9/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Diesel-NO-RESERVE-HIGH-MILES_W0QQitemZ270032464977QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Off shore manufacturing - was Synthetic jet fuel
Can we please change the subject? Next thing someone will bring up the fact that Egypt wants nukes to keep up with Iran... On 9/24/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, we can nuke anyone and we are still the only country to have used nukes against another country. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Brodbeck Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off shore manufacturing - was Synthetic jet fuel Craig McCluskey wrote: Actually, during the Clinton era, a Chinese diplomat reminded people that their nuclear missles could reach Los Angeles. I would say that someone that threatens you like that is hostile to you. If pointing missiles at someone is the standard, then the U.S. is currently hostile to every nation in the world. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Leaky fuel onto a hot exhaust! 123 design flaw?
I wrote last week that her 1985 300CD exudes a strong smell of diesel toward the rear of the car. There was a leaky fuel hose under the hood, but more alarmingly, the tail pipe was WET with diesel fuel as she drove into the garage! The fuel lines from the tank are situated directly above the exhaust pipes and were dripping diesel right onto the hot pipes. Yikes! Question: Isn't this an obvious safety hazard/design flaw? Beyond that, is there anything I should plan on replacing other than the large fuel lines leading from the tank? Is there a seal on the fuel tank sending unit that could also be leaking?
Re: [MBZ] Replacing outer window brushes
Will you also be replacing the vinly plastic sheathing that curls and cracks with age on the 123s? On 9/24/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm replacing the outer window brushes (sealing strip) in all of my windows in my 84 300SD. Before I begin does anyone have any hints to make it easier, for example is it better to loosen the glass in the door? I don't think so. They just pry straight up off the car once you have the trim strips off. They are held on with some pretty gnarly toothy spring clips. Five minutes at the U-Pull looking at a similar car will give you all the information you need. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap 124 diesel wagon
its low andrew strasfogel wrote: How is 205K miles high mileage on an '87 diesel? On 9/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Diesel-NO-RESERVE-HIGH-MILES_W0QQitemZ270032464977QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head
The MA states (MD and Mass.) have the worst drivers - no contest. Nobody even comes close. Check out the insurance rates. On 9/24/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw an article on the worst drivers by State last week. Most were clustered in the NE, though my fellow Okies managed to only score 35th or so. This was based on the results of a test - of the rules, driving habits, etc. I wonder if there are statistics available rating the States on accidents per mile driven, or something similar. I've also wondered if there are studies that correlate personal injury per automobile brand, or something similar. Or, are our Mercedes statistically as safe as we feel they are? On 9/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its funny, all this time I've spent thinking MA was the worst place on earth to drive and you guys are always working to dispel these ideas of mine. Heck I've driven in L.A. and thought it was NOTHING compared to Boston, at least none of the streets are one way... So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my 190D and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a rocket! -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
Over in France, we didn't see many Citroens. On 9/25/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. The gullwing looks like you'd have to replace the fender. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've seen a roadster, only gullwings. Actually, that is a US car with euro lights. The roadster had different headlight assemblies than the gullwing and the US/euro units interchange just like any other MB. Tom -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaky fuel onto a hot exhaust! 123 design flaw?
Question: Isn't this an obvious safety hazard/design flaw? Beyond that, is Feature! Hot vaporized fuel is much more noticeable by smell, I'm surprised you let it get this far. :-) there anything I should plan on replacing other than the large fuel lines leading from the tank? Is there a seal on the fuel tank sending unit that could also be leaking? The sender seal is up on top. Big O-ring, and unlikely to be bad. There are several rubber lines at the tank, for feed, return, and vent. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Leaky fuel onto a hot exhaust! 123 design flaw?
No, not really. Yes, there is a seal on the sending unit, but that is in the top of the tank, not likely to be leaking. If it did leak somehow, it would be leaking in the trunk, not under the car. andrew strasfogel wrote: I wrote last week that her 1985 300CD exudes a strong smell of diesel toward the rear of the car. There was a leaky fuel hose under the hood, but more alarmingly, the tail pipe was WET with diesel fuel as she drove into the garage! The fuel lines from the tank are situated directly above the exhaust pipes and were dripping diesel right onto the hot pipes. Yikes! Question: Isn't this an obvious safety hazard/design flaw? Beyond that, is there anything I should plan on replacing other than the large fuel lines leading from the tank? Is there a seal on the fuel tank sending unit that could also be leaking? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head
I know this may come as a shock to you nice people in the US of A but there are motorists outside of the USA. Perhaps the title of the post should be worst place in the US to drive. Then again perhaps it is right. Hendrik who just made a mental note not to drive in the states, seeing they got the worst drivers in the world - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head I saw an article on the worst drivers by State last week. Most were clustered in the NE, though my fellow Okies managed to only score 35th or so. This was based on the results of a test - of the rules, driving habits, etc. I wonder if there are statistics available rating the States on accidents per mile driven, or something similar. I've also wondered if there are studies that correlate personal injury per automobile brand, or something similar. Or, are our Mercedes statistically as safe as we feel they are?
[MBZ] cheap CD
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-1983-mercedes-300-diesel_W0QQitemZ280031925752QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Leaky fuel onto a hot exhaust! 123 design flaw?
Well I guess it was envisaged by the engineers/designers that the fuel lines would have been replaced at the first sign of ageing. Although in the real world the situation is somewhat different. I would think to be any real threat you would have to be driving the life out of the car before the exhaust pipe back there would get hot enough to ignite Diesel. I am not sure what the flashpoint of Diesel is but it is fairly high, well a bit more than room temperature anyway. If you want to pick design faults look no further than the fuel injected (petrol that is, or gasoooleene as you might say) Mercs (and loads others), consider that they have a much more flammable substance being pumped around one side of a motor while on the other is a hot exhaust manifold, plus there is lots of electricity to make a nice bright spark. I also know that the pressures under which petrol is being pumped is not inconsiderable, so if a fuel hose blows there is a nice spray of fuel going just about everywhere under the bonnet and if there is arcing somewhere you have the ingredients for a big fire. All this right in front of your nose. Hmmnh maybe that is why a lot of Mercs come with a fire extinguisher. Hendrik who needs to put a fire extinguisher in the new beast of burden - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [MBZ] Leaky fuel onto a hot exhaust! 123 design flaw? I wrote last week that her 1985 300CD exudes a strong smell of diesel toward the rear of the car. There was a leaky fuel hose under the hood, but more alarmingly, the tail pipe was WET with diesel fuel as she drove into the garage! The fuel lines from the tank are situated directly above the exhaust pipes and were dripping diesel right onto the hot pipes. Yikes! Question: Isn't this an obvious safety hazard/design flaw? Beyond that, is there anything I should plan on replacing other than the large fuel lines leading from the tank? Is there a seal on the fuel tank sending unit that could also be leaking? ___
[MBZ] anybody need a new tranny?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-Diesel-Automatic-Transmission-NEW-in-BOX_W0QQitemZ300031662487QQihZ020QQcategoryZ33727QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Becker Radio and IPOD
You can get a little FM transmitter too for the pod that will work sorta OK on any radio that doesn't have an input. $30 at El Mercado de Wal. You can buy the male-male cable too for a dollar or two. I bought a 16MB player yesterday for $6 at the surplus electronics shop, I am going to hack it to do some other things with it. --R Royce Engler wrote: Update on the SONY CD player and the IPOD My wife took me to the mall last night and purchased a 30GB IPOD for me for my birthday. Downloaded a cd and a bunch of Audible.com audiobooks to it this afternoon, cobbled together a double male cable to plug into the aux input on the cd player and lo and behold, I was able to play the IPOD directly through the cd player and the car stereo speakers. Ain't technology wunnerful Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
I need to locate a 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor, w/Part #. 15 TA 22. Radio shack doesn't seem to carry these, so I'd like to find a good online electronic components retailer. I intend to solder this unit into the airflow meter on my van, to clear up some erratic running conditions. Which online retailers do you folks use? TIA Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
[MBZ] Oil sucker
Item # 1 of $2 oil sucker Oil Removal instructions = Have engine at or near operating temp. Wilton
Re: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
http://www.jdr.com/ but there is a $50 minimum. Check eBay. Anywhere online will kill you with shipping for a single piece. FYI - It's okay too use a higher voltage capacitor if you can find one local. Any TV repair shop that actually fixes things will have one close. Offer them a buck for one. -Dave Walton On 9/25/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to locate a 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor, w/Part #. 15 TA 22. Radio shack doesn't seem to carry these, so I'd like to find a good online electronic components retailer. I intend to solder this unit into the airflow meter on my van, to clear up some erratic running conditions. Which online retailers do you folks use? TIA Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
Casey - Try Digikey. Barry Which online retailers do you folks use?
Re: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
Ya, apparently a 25 volt 22 microfarad capacitor will also work. Maybe I can scavenge one from some of my dead and dying electronic junkpile. On 9/25/06, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI - It's okay too use a higher voltage capacitor if you can find one local. Any TV repair shop that actually fixes things will have one close. Offer them a buck for one. - Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
[MBZ] 126 420SEL
I am thinking about selling my 126 300SEL in favor of a 1991 420SEL. I know the weakness of the 3.0 engine was the valve seals (which was already done on my car and it uses ZERO oil), but I don't know anything about the 8 cylinder 4.2. Any thoughts? I got the 300SEL because I thought it would get much better mileage than the 420/560. What I have figured out (and Kaleb warned me about this before I bought the car) that because the LWB 126 is such a heavy car that little 3.0 has to work too hard. It is an amazing highway cruiser, but it is a little bit of a dog around town (for a gasser that is). Anyway, I found a REALLY nice 420SEL and I am thinking I could trade for a lot more power and probably about the same mileage. I know about the reliability of the 126 chassis, I just don't know anything about the 4.2. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 131K
Re: [MBZ] Stalls in gear FIXED Now timing
Excellent, 800-900 RPM? -- Original message -- From: M.Afzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have the a M130 In the 280S .108 I have timing At 5BTDC and use the advance section of the distributor , At TDC this engine didn't respond nicely with a borderline retard distributor.. mak - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stalls in gear FIXED Now timing Now I just need to get the zeniths sorted out in my 69 250 AND my 72 250C. Lovely. BTW, trim your posts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mak, The emissions portion of my vehicle is not functioning. MB does not sell replacements. Any idea how the EU version was setup timing wise? the US where at 4 ATDC. That had a vacuum to retard the timing and would kick it up as you accellerated and switched over to advance. This is a M130 250. BTW I tracked down my problem to the two carb mounting gaskets. Found it with some carb cleaner. Tightend it up and ran much stronger. Put it in gear, didn't stall, released the brake and had no problem with the uphill driveway. Thanks everybody for their help! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
www.mouser.com -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work Quoting Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need to locate a 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor, w/Part #. 15 TA 22. Radio shack doesn't seem to carry these, so I'd like to find a good online electronic components retailer. I intend to solder this unit into the airflow meter on my van, to clear up some erratic running conditions. Which online retailers do you folks use? TIA Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] rodbender head
In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:01:53 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why would you want to go thru the trouble of machining the head to make the old injectors work when it would be much easier to just use the newer style injectors? Kaleb, As I mentioned, I do not know if the later heads with the angled pre chambers are compatible with the pistons on the 87 603 type engines. Do you have that information? If you bought a bare, new, late model head for your 87 603, like Dave M did, you would want to use your old pre chambers and injectors if they were still servicable.. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head
I agree with Hendriknone of those bad drivers would last ten seconds in Cairo or Tehran. In Tehran, not only do they not bother with lanes or stoplight colours, they don't even care what SIDE of the road they use! Not to mention the sidewalks! Ever feeling suicidal, try crossing the roads there as a pedestrian. lol Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Porsche show
Actually you probably saw thousandsjust not ones that look like that antique DS. Here's what they look like now. http://www.citroen.com/CWW/en-US/RANGE/PrivateCars/C1/default/ Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] 126 420SEL
All I've heard, for what that is worth, is camshafts. Here's the EPA fuel economy figures for the 420 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 15 MPG (highway) 19 MPG (combined) 17 Here's what they say for the 300 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 16 MPG (highway) 20 MPG (combined) 18 Jeff Zedic Toronto
[MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know?
Re: [MBZ] 126 420SEL
My mom's 420SEL had ~230k miles on it when we sold it, up to ~250k now, we never had major trouble with it, although the spare fuel pump relay we took on long trips came in handy on the way back from FL once. Current owner just had to have a soft parts rebuild of the tranny. The whole 126 line was pretty great - in fact I recently read a review for the new 221 chassis S class that praised it for driving like the old 126. I would look for a replacement timing chain and tensioner, though - we've rebuilt quite a few where the chain broke, usually 180+k miles though but I would think age would be a factor. Mike On 9/25/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I've heard, for what that is worth, is camshafts. Here's the EPA fuel economy figures for the 420 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 15 MPG (highway) 19 MPG (combined) 17 Here's what they say for the 300 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 16 MPG (highway) 20 MPG (combined) 18 Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
Or you can just say Tiger or Panther. Rory On 9/25/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, I'm with you. OS X But, maybe it's changing, I'm now running 10.4.7 Easier to say ten... four... seven.. than try to pronounce the Roman Numerals. OS X VII H? Leads one to wonder how the Romans did pronounce that Just doesn't have the right ring to it... Take care, Chuck Phoenix On Sep 25, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gauges not working
Correct ,I believe right after the frequency valve models . its quite accurate and fast' all KE units depend on it . regards mak - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gauges not working M.Afzaal.Khan wrote: EHA Electro- Hydraulic Actuator ; controls the mixture on the later KE series CIS systems. Ah, okay. I have CIS-Lambda, which uses a frequency valve for that. The EHA must have come in with the CIS-E system. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
If you don't find a new one, I have the following which were salvaged from various electronic units and were tested-good a couple of years ago. I've forgotten how to identify a tantalum capacitor: 5 22mfd 16v 10mm + 5mm and 7.5mm 2 22mfd 25v 13mm + 10mm 3 22mfd 25v 12mm + 5mm 1 22mfd 50v 11mm + 6mm I can retest to be sure they still hold a charge. Gerry '83 300D and 240D --- - Original Message - From: Barry Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Casey - Try Digikey. Barry Which online retailers do you folks use?
Re: [MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
on 9/25/06 11:50 AM, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know? When I was at the Mac dealer they pronounced it t hat 'ex', as I do, however MSNBC says 'ten'. Whatever. Mac
Re: [MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
On 9/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know? I've never heard anyone say ex. The last version of the Classic Mac OS was 9.x, so this one's version ten, right? Do these people also refer to Malcolm the Tenth? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Leaky fuel onto a hot exhaust! 123 design flaw?
On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to pick design faults look no further than the fuel injected (petrol that is, or gasoooleene as you might say) Mercs (and loads others), consider that they have a much more flammable substance being pumped around one side of a motor while on the other is a hot exhaust manifold, plus there is lots of electricity to make a nice bright spark. I also know that the pressures under which petrol is being pumped is not inconsiderable, so if a fuel hose blows there is a nice spray of fuel going just about everywhere under the bonnet and if there is arcing somewhere you have the ingredients for a big fire. All this right in front of your nose. It's only going to get worse with direct-injection gasoline engines, where fuel-line pressures are 10x or more what they are now. I bet there are lawyers in California lining up three deep waiting for a fatal fire in a DI gas car. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
macsween and his apple dealer say ex On 9/25/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know? I've never heard anyone say ex. The last version of the Classic Mac OS was 9.x, so this one's version ten, right? Do these people also refer to Malcolm the Tenth? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
but wikipedia supports ten Mac OS X From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#column-one, search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#searchInput *Mac OS X* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TigerDesk.png A screenshot of Mac OS X v10.4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.4Tiger *Website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website:* www.apple.com/macosx * Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_company/ developer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_developer:* Apple Computerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer *OS family:* BSDhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution *Source model:* Closed source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_source ( Darwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29foundation is open source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source) *Latest stable release:* 10.4.7 / June 27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_27, 2006http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006 *Kernel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29 type:* Hybrid kernel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_kernel *Default user interfacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface :* Graphical user interfacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface *License http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license:* Apple EULAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA(parts available under APSL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Public_Source_License) *Working state:* Current *Mac OS X* (officially pronounced Mac O S Ten) On 9/25/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know? I've never heard anyone say ex. The last version of the Classic Mac OS was 9.x, so this one's version ten, right? Do these people also refer to Malcolm the Tenth? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 420SEL
My 420SEL before valve mishap got about 19MPG regularly, it is slightly underpowered if you compare to the 560SEL rocket ship. The 420 engine is great, the only issue is the timing chain and cams. If it has a loud tick like a bad lifter it most likely has a worn cam. Replace timing chain around 150k-170k miles and replace plastic timing chain guides. Note replacing timing chain is about a 3-4 hour job using two people. Every 70k miles replace brushes in alternator. Other than that it is basically 126 and has the same issues as all the W126s. Note always use anti-seize on spark plugs I have put heil-coils in more than one 117 engine. Never ever remove head bolts, they sell a tool to help you change timing chain that bolts onto head bolts, do not buy it. The aluminum block will strip out when a head bolt is removed, and the only fix is remove head and heli-coil. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 420SEL My mom's 420SEL had ~230k miles on it when we sold it, up to ~250k now, we never had major trouble with it, although the spare fuel pump relay we took on long trips came in handy on the way back from FL once. Current owner just had to have a soft parts rebuild of the tranny. The whole 126 line was pretty great - in fact I recently read a review for the new 221 chassis S class that praised it for driving like the old 126. I would look for a replacement timing chain and tensioner, though - we've rebuilt quite a few where the chain broke, usually 180+k miles though but I would think age would be a factor. Mike On 9/25/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I've heard, for what that is worth, is camshafts. Here's the EPA fuel economy figures for the 420 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 15 MPG (highway) 19 MPG (combined) 17 Here's what they say for the 300 Fuel Type Premium Gasoline MPG (city) 16 MPG (highway) 20 MPG (combined) 18 Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
Digikey is my favorite but Mouser is cheaper. Note if you call up some suppliers like Kemet they might send a free engineering sample kit. I have few of these laying around. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor. I need to locate a 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor, w/Part #. 15 TA 22. Radio shack doesn't seem to carry these, so I'd like to find a good online electronic components retailer. I intend to solder this unit into the airflow meter on my van, to clear up some erratic running conditions. Which online retailers do you folks use? TIA Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap CD
Someone is going to steal that car... Wish I had room for another. On 9/25/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-1983-mercedes-300-diesel_W0QQitemZ280031925752QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT worst place in US to drive
Having lived in MA and now Houston, Texas, it is a toss-up as to which is worse. In MA it is the Boston area (and wherever those folks drive to, like downnacape). I learned to anticipate certain stupidities in a given situation, because you just know someone is going to do it when the situation arises. So you can try to avoid it, usually fairly successfully, unless you want to participate, which is what I would do occasionally in my old truck when someone made the left turn in front of me immediately when the light turned green. It just felt good for a 20 yr old truck to whack a new car, rather gently though, then the cops came and that driver got a ticket too, and insurance rates that went through the roof, and the bill to fix their tinfoil fender and bumper. I witnessed a fight one morning on the freeway, a woman cut off a guy to merge into an exit, SHE got out to go yell at him for not letting her cut him off, he popped her in the face knocking her to the pavement (cars driving past), she got up and yelled at him again, he popped her again, she got up, he smacked her the third time, she got the message and back in her car, flipped him off, backed into his car, and then took off through the breakdown lane, around the slow exiting traffic with him in hot pursuit. 7:30AM. I think her makeup was a bit mussed. In Houston, with our large selection of illegal guest drivers (no licenses, no insurance, no skill or awareness of even the minimal aspects of traffic or driving a vehicle), assertive oblivious women yapping on cell phones in large and/or expensive vehicles, and ricers and arrozers who view the freeway as a slalom course to be taken at Tokyo drift speeds, the behavior is much more random, and hence much more dangerous. Add 8 to 12 people (mostly small children) in a clapped-out Explorer or minivan, no seatbelts (it's a cultural thing so the apologists tell us), perhaps a little too much cerveza, and the body count adds up real quick. My neighbor was a trauma surgeon at the local hospital that catches the helo flights bringing in the road carnage, etc. -- he could tell some amazing stories about the consequences of the inventive stupidity of humankind, esp when alcohol and cars were mixed... (Knives, machetes, heavy blunt objects, guns and woman factors were a whole 'nuther category, esp on a Saturday or full moon night). The demographics of his patients were also interesting from a sociological standpoint. Hard to say which is worse. My insurance rates (or payments) here are not significantly different from MA. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: The MA states (MD and Mass.) have the worst drivers - no contest. Nobody even comes close. Check out the insurance rates.
Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head
Man, does Jeff have it right! I drove in Cairo for a month and almost had heart failure every day. The streets did not even have lanes marked--not that it would matter anyway. It was every man for himself. There is nothing in the U.S. that remotely compares to it. Tom Potter (Who takes Houston traffic with a smile) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head I agree with Hendriknone of those bad drivers would last ten seconds in Cairo or Tehran. In Tehran, not only do they not bother with lanes or stoplight colours, they don't even care what SIDE of the road they use! Not to mention the sidewalks! Ever feeling suicidal, try crossing the roads there as a pedestrian. lol Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor.
Casey, I wish you were closer. I need someone to fix the bridge rectifier in my battery charger. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT: 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor. I need to locate a 15 volt 22 microfarad tantalum capacitor, w/Part #. 15 TA 22. Radio shack doesn't seem to carry these, so I'd like to find a good online electronic components retailer. I intend to solder this unit into the airflow meter on my van, to clear up some erratic running conditions. Which online retailers do you folks use? TIA Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k) '84 300D (216k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head
No Kidding, Many years ago I drove a bus in Los Angeles, I thought that was a hectic as it could get, but I used to see a buddy regularly and he always looked like he was on vacation, turned out he had spent 15 years doing local delivery in a semi...in Mexico City! LA traffic really was a vacation for him. That said after driving commercially nationwide, Albuquerque NM has definitely got the worst drivers in the country, not only technically bad but crazy at the same time. Kansas City is by far the most relaxed place in the country to drive, even in rush hour, everyone drives consistent speed and roads are well marked at regular intervals making finding your way simple. NYC is the most fun, the drivers are aggressive, but very skilled. Remarkably few accidents and rarely more than 2 vehicles involved when it happens. I used to actually enjoy driving through there in an oversized semi! Traffic lights and lines in the road mean nothing, sidewalks are fair game, the only rule is to get from point A to point B without hitting anything :-) You haven't lived until you've run that racecourse in something 75 ft long and 8.5 ft wide in morning rush hour. Short track racing is an adrenalin let down after that. -Robert Jeff Zedic wrote: I agree with Hendriknone of those bad drivers would last ten seconds in Cairo or Tehran. In Tehran, not only do they not bother with lanes or stoplight colours, they don't even care what SIDE of the road they use! Not to mention the sidewalks! Ever feeling suicidal, try crossing the roads there as a pedestrian. lol Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaky fuel onto a hot exhaust! 123 design flaw?
Thanks for your input(s?). I ordered all three hoses plus two more backup lenses for the wagon. BTW, I think my 1983 300TD rear end is too low. Is it a big deal to lift it to specs? Or does it mean I need to have the rear strut replaced? On 9/25/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to pick design faults look no further than the fuel injected (petrol that is, or gasoooleene as you might say) Mercs (and loads others), consider that they have a much more flammable substance being pumped around one side of a motor while on the other is a hot exhaust manifold, plus there is lots of electricity to make a nice bright spark. I also know that the pressures under which petrol is being pumped is not inconsiderable, so if a fuel hose blows there is a nice spray of fuel going just about everywhere under the bonnet and if there is arcing somewhere you have the ingredients for a big fire. All this right in front of your nose. It's only going to get worse with direct-injection gasoline engines, where fuel-line pressures are 10x or more what they are now. I bet there are lawyers in California lining up three deep waiting for a fatal fire in a DI gas car. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
Thanks for bringing this up! We have a 2003 IMac with v. 9.0X OS and want to upgrate to OS 10.XX Questions: 1) Is this upgrade available for FREE at the Apple website? 2) Will we wipe out all our files if we do upgrade the OS from 9.0X to 10.0X ? 3) Should I even attempt this at home, or should I ask my computer genius son to do it for me? On 9/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but wikipedia supports ten Mac OS X From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#column-one, search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#searchInput *Mac OS X* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TigerDesk.png A screenshot of Mac OS X v10.4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.4Tiger *Website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website:* www.apple.com/macosx * Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_company/ developer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_developer:* Apple Computerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer *OS family:* BSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution *Source model:* Closed source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_source ( Darwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 foundation is open source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source) *Latest stable release:* 10.4.7 / June 27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_27, 2006http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006 *Kernel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29 type:* Hybrid kernel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_kernel *Default user interfacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface :* Graphical user interfacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface *License http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license:* Apple EULAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA(parts available under APSL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Public_Source_License) *Working state:* Current *Mac OS X* (officially pronounced Mac O S Ten) On 9/25/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know? I've never heard anyone say ex. The last version of the Classic Mac OS was 9.x, so this one's version ten, right? Do these people also refer to Malcolm the Tenth? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing outer window brushes
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing outer window brushes To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Will you also be replacing the vinly plastic sheathing that curls and cracks with age on the 123s? I'm not sure what part you are talking about. The manual only shows what has been explained in this thread. I see no plastic sheathing. It looks like a press fit. (72-170). The one point I wasn't sure of is that the strip's shape doesn't look like it would hold in place very well. There is an outside chrome strip along the outside top edge of the door which the strip slips under that probably hold the outside of the brush. One more question I have is should I remove this outside chrome strip or just try and slip the brush under it? Dennis Perkins 84 300SD
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Unless the language has been changed recently, it read that signals must be used whereas traffic might be effected , so officially, no ticket, but that most likely won't stop some bozo from writing you one anyway, then it's up to you to prove you're innocent in court. -Robert Rory wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Yes. Just use your signals all the time. Whats the big deal? Seems like much for effort to have to conciously decide oh is it okay not to use them now versus just using them all the time. The its okay becuase... excuse annoys me to no end. You sound like my girlfriend. Thats right, you drive like a woman. Mike On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Don't mean to confront you personally, Rory, but in my opinion, your question speaks to the issue of the type of thinking that partly causes this problem: When people leave turn-signalling up to their own judgement, mistakes are made, and opinions vary. You may reason that nobody is behind you for a suitable distance, but 1.) have you checked your blindspot sufficiently to ensure there's not a motorcycle back there, etc., and 2.) We tend to focus on the one or two things in our mind, while there are dozens of things going on around us. You may be safely changing lanes without a signal, but the car that is considering pulling out from a side street into the empty (about to be occupied by you without warning) lane. Again, not a personal attack on you, guy. You just opened up opportunity for further discussion. Brian On 9/25/06, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/soooo much trouble
Ever seen The Butterfly Effect? It could be argued that even when no one is around, not using your signal will have an effect on traffic. Furthermore, if the cop could see you NOT use your signal, it obviously affected him, and therefore traffic. Again, whats the big deal - if that amount of effort puts strain on you, mentally or physically, you shouldn't be driving anyway. Mike On 9/25/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless the language has been changed recently, it read that signals must be used whereas traffic might be effected , so officially, no ticket, but that most likely won't stop some bozo from writing you one anyway, then it's up to you to prove you're innocent in court. -Robert Rory wrote: So if I don't signal when nobody's behind me or are 2 to 3 miles back, am I breaking the law should I get a ticket? And I do live in Calif. Rory On 9/25/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are each spot on. Yes, the info. to the enemy thing. It is sometimes a primitive, subconscious reaction in people to lunge when someone puts on a blinker. Sad. And of course, other times it's a conscious decision. I somtimes try to manipulate people's actions by inducing them. Often I can even just look over my shoulder as though I was thinking of changing lanes, and I can cause the guy back in the other lane to surge ahead. And I, too, like to reward good behavior and - most would say I step over the line - punish bad behavior. Brian Thusfar intact 240D On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always slow down for people to shift lanes when have the courtesy to use their turn signals in advance of doing so. I like to reward socially responsible behavior. On 9/23/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if everybody drinks poison you will too? There are good drivers in this world and there are bad drivers who are mostly responsible for rising insurance premiums. Signalling should be an automatic thing that is done without even thinking about it, like putting on a seatbelt. Sounds like the idiots are dragging you down to their level. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lane change signals/s much trouble I did get a ticket once when a cop pulled me over for not signaling a lane change. (Who in the hell does anymore?? - I've given up on signaling because so few people do it). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] correct pronunciation of OS X
the original imac g3 i bought cheap on ebay had 9.2 on it. the i decided i wanted the later ilife and needed os x, so i looked into it and decided not to try it myself. i told hte guy i bought the original g3 from to send me another one but loaded with os x instead. so now rusty has the 9.2 machine and i'm messing with iLife 05. as far as i can tell, the answers are not free to the best of my knowledg possibly will wipe out files son is better bet you can start your study anywhere, i suppose, but i started it here http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117 i figure i'll mess with the g3 for a year or so and then move up to a g4 imac. i mostly bought the g3 based on price and immense coolness factor and i'm pretty pleased so for. On 9/25/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for bringing this up! We have a 2003 IMac with v. 9.0X OS and want to upgrate to OS 10.XX Questions: 1) Is this upgrade available for FREE at the Apple website? 2) Will we wipe out all our files if we do upgrade the OS from 9.0X to 10.0X ? 3) Should I even attempt this at home, or should I ask my computer genius son to do it for me? On 9/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but wikipedia supports ten Mac OS X From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#column-one, search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#searchInput *Mac OS X* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TigerDesk.png A screenshot of Mac OS X v10.4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.4Tiger *Website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website:* www.apple.com/macosx * Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_company/ developer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_developer:* Apple Computerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer *OS family:* BSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution *Source model:* Closed source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_source ( Darwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 foundation is open source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source) *Latest stable release:* 10.4.7 / June 27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_27, 2006http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006 *Kernel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29 type:* Hybrid kernel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_kernel *Default user interfacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface :* Graphical user interfacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface *License http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license:* Apple EULAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA(parts available under APSL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Public_Source_License) *Working state:* Current *Mac OS X* (officially pronounced Mac O S Ten) On 9/25/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have always hear it as oh-ess-ex but now i read where it says that 0h-ess-ten is actually correct. anyone know? I've never heard anyone say ex. The last version of the Classic Mac OS was 9.x, so this one's version ten, right? Do these people also refer to Malcolm the Tenth? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
