Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
We dropped the project. The water caused cavitation in the engine and ruined the engine before 200kmi. BAD news... Luther On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:19:23 -0600, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My company has several trucks with H2O injection. Let me ask our fuel economy manager for his take on it. Luther On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:20 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever should give more cylinder pressure when heated by combustion (or even compression). I don't think that just high humidity would improve performance though - perhaps some imperial testing is in order? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
KC 135s and I believe B-52s use water injection. Wilton can explain this better than I can. For take off with heavy loads, they inject water into the engines for a power boost. Harry On Dec 17, 2007 10:37 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever should give more cylinder pressure when heated by combustion (or even compression). I don't think that just high humidity would improve performance though - perhaps some imperial testing is in order? On Dec 17, 2007 9:29 AM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, The water to steam conversion should hold in any case, and it should make a bit of difference though how much I don't know (my cars both diesel and gas seem to run a bit better with more power when it is foggy). The fog droplets are still water and when heated to above 100deg C will expand. Something like 10 times in volume I think. The steam that we see from a steam locomotive is that same high volume vapor recondensed to water droplets in the cooler, below 100Deg C, air after it has done the job in the cylinder. There were some steam locomotives that even collected and recondensed that used steam in the tender using big radiators. The water was then reused to produce steam again. The train didn't have to stop so often to get more water as only leakage had to be replaced. So as long as you can see it it can be heated and the expansion to a higher volume made use of. Probably more than anyone wanted to know about steam and water! Manfred -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
My company has several trucks with H2O injection. Let me ask our fuel economy manager for his take on it. Luther On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:20 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever should give more cylinder pressure when heated by combustion (or even compression). I don't think that just high humidity would improve performance though - perhaps some imperial testing is in order? On Dec 17, 2007 9:29 AM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, The water to steam conversion should hold in any case, and it should make a bit of difference though how much I don't know (my cars both diesel and gas seem to run a bit better with more power when it is foggy). The fog droplets are still water and when heated to above 100deg C will expand. Something like 10 times in volume I think. The steam that we see from a steam locomotive is that same high volume vapor recondensed to water droplets in the cooler, below 100Deg C, air after it has done the job in the cylinder. There were some steam locomotives that even collected and recondensed that used steam in the tender using big radiators. The water was then reused to produce steam again. The train didn't have to stop so often to get more water as only leakage had to be replaced. So as long as you can see it it can be heated and the expansion to a higher volume made use of. Probably more than anyone wanted to know about steam and water! Manfred -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water injection for about 2 min on takeoff for significant increase in thrust. KC-135's now have been retrofitted with much newer, much more powerful, airline surplus, turbofan engines - don't think they use water injection any more. B-52H's (only ones still in service) have always had TF-33 turbofan engines and have never used water injection. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
I remember dad pointing that out when I was a kid, the water injection on take-off. It led to my experimentation of igniting diesel or kero and spraying a little water on the fire. (early pyromanic?) For some reason I made a young connection that THAT was the reason water in fuel was a bad thing. From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:29:54 -0500 To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water injection for about 2 min on takeoff for significant increase in thrust. KC-135's now have been retrofitted with much newer, much more powerful, airline surplus, turbofan engines - don't think they use water injection any more. B-52H's (only ones still in service) have always had TF-33 turbofan engines and have never used water injection. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection
The main effect of water injection was to cool the air in the compressor section creating a denser (more O 2) gas, like the turbo in Diesels. These J-57s were incredibly noisy while wet especially in the back. When the water ran out, the decrease in thrust and noise was very apparent. vsr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 13:30 To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Knock on wood - 300D/Water injection KC-135A's and all B-52's prior to H's (all with J-57 engines) used water injection for about 2 min on takeoff for significant increase in thrust. KC-135's now have been retrofitted with much newer, much more powerful, airline surplus, turbofan engines - don't think they use water injection any more. B-52H's (only ones still in service) have always had TF-33 turbofan engines and have never used water injection. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Interesting - We've owned one new car in the 30+ years we've been married, and take at least a 4000+ mile trip every summer. The only time we've had to stop and have a car repaired was on the new car (the Plymouth van), during it's last six months of warranty - fuel pump died on I-90 at the MN/WI border. The old MBs have never let us down. YMMV. ___ That's an idea. The reason I was thinking about a new car was because of the warrantee which would cover the car on out-of-town trips, and because; being a new car; it would be less likely to break down with minor or major problems. I read someplace that VW wouldn't be selling any diesels in the U.S. until around May '08 because of pollution equipment issues. Thanks, John. Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
That probably depends on how well you keep your Mercedes repaired. I probably try to get too many miles out of every part; waiting until they go bad before replacing them. After a few other things in the shop are completed, I plan to spend some money and update the 300D for road trips. The 240D is in good shape, but it's not too good in the mountains. Nevertheless, a new car is tempting; if for no other reason than it being a new kind of toy (with all kinds of cool electronics) to play with. (-:] Gerry Interesting - We've owned one new car in the 30+ years we've been married, and take at least a 4000+ mile trip every summer. The only time we've had to stop and have a car repaired was on the new car (the Plymouth van), during it's last six months of warranty - fuel pump died on I-90 at the MN/WI border. The old MBs have never let us down. YMMV. ___ That's an idea. The reason I was thinking about a new car was because of the warrantee which would cover the car on out-of-town trips, and because; being a new car; it would be less likely to break down with minor or major problems. I read someplace that VW wouldn't be selling any diesels in the U.S. until around May '08 because of pollution equipment issues. Thanks, John. Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Don, The water to steam conversion should hold in any case, and it should make a bit of difference though how much I don't know (my cars both diesel and gas seem to run a bit better with more power when it is foggy). The fog droplets are still water and when heated to above 100deg C will expand. Something like 10 times in volume I think. The steam that we see from a steam locomotive is that same high volume vapor recondensed to water droplets in the cooler, below 100Deg C, air after it has done the job in the cylinder. There were some steam locomotives that even collected and recondensed that used steam in the tender using big radiators. The water was then reused to produce steam again. The train didn't have to stop so often to get more water as only leakage had to be replaced. So as long as you can see it it can be heated and the expansion to a higher volume made use of. Probably more than anyone wanted to know about steam and water! Manfred Don wrote; Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:14:08 -0600 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not more oxygen, but more water -- adds to the pressure in the combustion chamber? Not sure that this holds when the water is already a vapor. On Dec 15, 2007 9:40 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heck, after having been so dry with the mist/atmospheric conditions maybe there's more oxygen in the air and combustion was improved? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Yes - water that's in liquid form, whether fog or mist, or what ever should give more cylinder pressure when heated by combustion (or even compression). I don't think that just high humidity would improve performance though - perhaps some imperial testing is in order? On Dec 17, 2007 9:29 AM, MG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, The water to steam conversion should hold in any case, and it should make a bit of difference though how much I don't know (my cars both diesel and gas seem to run a bit better with more power when it is foggy). The fog droplets are still water and when heated to above 100deg C will expand. Something like 10 times in volume I think. The steam that we see from a steam locomotive is that same high volume vapor recondensed to water droplets in the cooler, below 100Deg C, air after it has done the job in the cylinder. There were some steam locomotives that even collected and recondensed that used steam in the tender using big radiators. The water was then reused to produce steam again. The train didn't have to stop so often to get more water as only leakage had to be replaced. So as long as you can see it it can be heated and the expansion to a higher volume made use of. Probably more than anyone wanted to know about steam and water! Manfred -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Now that's a good reason to buy a new car ! Nevertheless, a new car is tempting; if for no other reason than it being a new kind of toy (with all kinds of cool electronics) to play with. (-:] Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Biodiesel has more oxygen in it than petro diesel. BioD has about 20% less energy (depends on the base stock) than PetroD. Blends from B20-B70 will usually see more fuel efficiency than pure PetroD or B100 due to the more complete combustion of the fuel blend. Higher than B70 will usually see less fuel economy. Luther On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:37:10 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that bioDiesel has a little less energy per gallon than dino. Is the performance improvement due to cleaning? On Dec 15, 2007 8:01 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a biodiesel or biodiesel mix. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Tim, my 300CD is nearing 10kmi on BioD. I've not seen a clogged filter yet (subject line action). My only problem has been injector return lines getting soft enough that one came loose causing a snail trail at work. Previous to BioD, my fuel guage liked to imitate windshield wipersnow it's rock solid and accurate. Luther On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:56:06 -0600, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, One repair was made last wee, because of a clogged vent the tank had imploded even to the point of crushing the fuel sending unit. A new tank wasn't feasible but for 1/3 the cost a tank was pulled which had actually been running bio. While in the process, that tank was pressure cleaned and I had fuel lines replaced (with intent maybe of using bio anyway). Yep, it's all clean! It cost me $60. just to see that fuel gauge register full. Prior to that I had about 8ga. capacity in tank and couldn't figure why I kept running out of fuel. I'm so proud of the nice clean fuel system that I might just keep bio in this vehicle. The other 300Ds I have still have the old fuel lines but I'm tempted to give them an occasional tank of bio and watch the filters. As far as my original intention of building a reactor and converting my supply of veggie oil? I'm actually turning that into soap as I've got a market. My 'indie friend likes the lye soap and I keep him in a supply. It's actually great to cut grease. (Anyone wanna try some msg me and I'll send ya a bar. That's not a sales pitch, just a friendly offer of gift! - die Laugeseife (the lye soap)). Tim -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
You go Brian! You'll have my vote for the rebuild vs. a new purchase.:) Dave H... 1968 280 SE 1971 280 SEL 1979 LP809 Manual (Swiss Army Troop/Cargo Carrier) 1980 280E Manual 1981 240D Manual 1984 300DT 1985 300CD 1985 300SD 1987 300SDL 1987 560SL 1992 300TE 4Matic 1993 300E -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Tim, I have no clue what your business is but I am envious of your WVO supply. Dave H... -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Well, what's most environmentally friendly is to GET OUT OF THE CAR and walk (or ride public transit). However, this notion is still political suicide in the US (and Germany), where driving anywhere you want at any time you want is conflated with political freedom. They aren't the same thing, after all, you are quite free to believe what you want and express yourself (within the law) while riding the bus to work. I spend about $200 a month (and rising at the moment) for fuel to drive to work. I'm quite certain that walking up the road a couple miles to town and catching a bus down to work (especially over to the next town where I'm contracted three days a week) would cost somewhat less. To say nothing of not having to spend two hours a day driving -- I could read, do computer work, or etc. on the bus, rather than staring at the road and dodging people trying to kill me (either I'm getting twitching after that accident or people are paying LESS attention that usual while driving -- don't go a day anymore without at least one vehicle drifting over the center line toward me, correcting at the last second, or someone taking off out of turn at a stop sign). I'd weigh a lot less and probably wouldn't have high blood pressure if I walked! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Biodiesel isn't too bad for growing stuff if made correctly and clean (not a problem with commercial Bio, just homemade), but mix in waste veggie oil and you can get a real mess if there isn't enough biocide in it. Bugs can't eat biodiesel directly, but they sure can munch on veg oil! I'm going to have to replace the filters soon on the 300D for this reason, the pre-filter is turning brown and the fuel gauge has stopped bouncing -- I suspect it was full of slime as the car wasn't driven much. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter, Unfortunately you are partially correct:(There truly are some backyard biodieselers out there that have no clue what ASTM spec means. However, TG they are the exception and not the rule. Biodiesel has approximately the same shelf life as petro diesel if manufactured and then stored correctly. Running a vehicle totally on WVO, not WVO transesterfied into Biodiesel? Now that scares me. But, there are thousands of people who do it ? Dave H... -- From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Biodiesel isn't too bad for growing stuff if made correctly and clean (not a problem with commercial Bio, just homemade), but mix in waste veggie oil and you can get a real mess if there isn't enough biocide in it. Bugs can't eat biodiesel directly, but they sure can munch on veg oil! I'm going to have to replace the filters soon on the 300D for this reason, the pre-filter is turning brown and the fuel gauge has stopped bouncing -- I suspect it was full of slime as the car wasn't driven much. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg, lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries. Very tempting. Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved. If the fuel situation should get extremely bad, both MBs could be converted to run on VO. (I wonder how many acres of soybeans it would take to yield a years supply of VO; about 1000 gallons? I have a few acres that could be contract farmed. IMHO fuel prices will eventually be coming down. Plants are rapidly being built to extract oil from tar sands, and speculators won't be able to keep prices jacked up forever. Gerry '83 300D and 240D You go Brian! You'll have my vote for the rebuild vs. a new purchase.:) Dave H... -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...Toyota Prius...Very tempting. Except that they're one of the ugliest POS's out there. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved. Exactly! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer wrote: I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg, lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries. Very tempting. If you drive a 240D like you'd have to drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg, you'd be getting 30mpg in the 240D, or 60mpg from a 3 cyl Geo Metro. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg, The nickname is cute, but totally wrong. I have exactly the opposite reaction (automotively speaking) when looking at them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: ...drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg, The nickname is cute, but totally wrong. I have exactly the opposite reaction (automotively speaking) when looking at them. You're thinking Priapism. Priapus was a guardian of gardens. If a boy dared to steal from a garden that Priapus was guarding, he was, according to legend, in for a royal buggering. Kind of like what you get if you pay $30k for a compact Toyota, or worse yet, $20k for a three or four year used old compact Toyota. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He is also partially correct in the assumption that commercial BioD is safe. WRONG. There are many commercial outlets that do NOT make ASTM spec BioD. Luther On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:15:14 -0600, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Unfortunately you are partially correct:(There truly are some backyard biodieselers out there that have no clue what ASTM spec means. However, TG they are the exception and not the rule. Biodiesel has approximately the same shelf life as petro diesel if manufactured and then stored correctly. Running a vehicle totally on WVO, not WVO transesterfied into Biodiesel? Now that scares me. But, there are thousands of people who do it ? Dave H... -- From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Biodiesel isn't too bad for growing stuff if made correctly and clean (not a problem with commercial Bio, just homemade), but mix in waste veggie oil and you can get a real mess if there isn't enough biocide in it. Bugs can't eat biodiesel directly, but they sure can munch on veg oil! I'm going to have to replace the filters soon on the 300D for this reason, the pre-filter is turning brown and the fuel gauge has stopped bouncing -- I suspect it was full of slime as the car wasn't driven much. Peter -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the fuel situation should get extremely bad, both MBs could be converted to run on VO. (I wonder how many acres of soybeans it would take to yield a years supply of VO; about 1000 gallons? I have a few acres that could be contract farmed. If you contract out the land, pick something other than soy!! Peanuts, rape, cotton, palm, etc all make better base stock than soy. For more info, pester the folks on the biodiesel list. *smile* --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or see your doctor if you experience a priapus interest lasting longer than 4 hours. -R Mitch Haley wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: ...drive the priapus to get 45+ mpg, The nickname is cute, but totally wrong. I have exactly the opposite reaction (automotively speaking) when looking at them. You're thinking Priapism. Priapus was a guardian of gardens. If a boy dared to steal from a garden that Priapus was guarding, he was, according to legend, in for a royal buggering. Kind of like what you get if you pay $30k for a compact Toyota, or worse yet, $20k for a three or four year used old compact Toyota. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: If you contract out the land, pick something other than soy!! Peanuts, rape, cotton, palm, etc all make better base stock than soy. But...but...the government subsidizes soy biodiesel, and they wouldn't do that if it wasn't the best use of resources, would they? g Seriously, I believe yield per acre is under 40bu, and I recently saw an ad for a two stage heated press that claimed to extract over 1.1 gallon per bushel, so soy oil yield is going to be somewhere below 50 gallons per acre, and we all know that soy oil is not the preferred feed stock. The fun part of renting the land out on shares is going to be finding somebody who wants to farm the oilseed that you want, and finding a way to get the oil out of the seed if you want to make biodiesel with your 1/4th of the crop. In theory, you could do it with 100 acres and a $10k investment in your own oil press if you want to go with soy, which should be easy to find a farmer to partner with. Or you could just buy the press, and 1,000 bu of beans, and sell the leftover high protein soy meal for about what you paid for the beans. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer wrote: Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved. Or if you were wanting a new car anyway, spend less than 25k for a loaded Jetta TDI (some of the 2005 Passat TDIs are less than 25k now). You still get 45mpg, but without all the hassles of a Prius (batteries, etc). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I kinda think the cost of replacing those hybrid batteries which will have to be done about the time the warranty expires is a greater cost than what I paid for the four 300Ds. Let's see... the vehicle tax is due at the end of the month. Mine is $9.24 compared to brother's prime vehicle which is $238.00. I have no payment nor interest yet I believe brother's payment for three months would be equal to what I paid for each vehicle. Oh, and as my insurance is $247.00 for six months, the brother's is over $1,600. each six. hmmm From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:07:27 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg, lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries. Very tempting. Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved. If the fuel situation should get extremely bad, both MBs could be converted to run on VO. (I wonder how many acres of soybeans it would take to yield a years supply of VO; about 1000 gallons? I have a few acres that could be contract farmed. IMHO fuel prices will eventually be coming down. Plants are rapidly being built to extract oil from tar sands, and speculators won't be able to keep prices jacked up forever. Gerry '83 300D and 240D You go Brian! You'll have my vote for the rebuild vs. a new purchase.:) Dave H... -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is beginning to sound like that $1,600. Troybilt tiller I bought so I could grow $15. worth of tomatoes and corn? From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:57:41 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Fmiser wrote: If you contract out the land, pick something other than soy!! Peanuts, rape, cotton, palm, etc all make better base stock than soy. But...but...the government subsidizes soy biodiesel, and they wouldn't do that if it wasn't the best use of resources, would they? g Seriously, I believe yield per acre is under 40bu, and I recently saw an ad for a two stage heated press that claimed to extract over 1.1 gallon per bushel, so soy oil yield is going to be somewhere below 50 gallons per acre, and we all know that soy oil is not the preferred feed stock. The fun part of renting the land out on shares is going to be finding somebody who wants to farm the oilseed that you want, and finding a way to get the oil out of the seed if you want to make biodiesel with your 1/4th of the crop. In theory, you could do it with 100 acres and a $10k investment in your own oil press if you want to go with soy, which should be easy to find a farmer to partner with. Or you could just buy the press, and 1,000 bu of beans, and sell the leftover high protein soy meal for about what you paid for the beans. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I love rants. Allow me to continue! I lived downtown for 16 years. I left the vehicle parked and walked everywhere I needed to go. The exercise was great. From the days of marching the military 6 to 5 (six strides = five yards), my pace of about 96 bpm (beats per minute... imagine a Sousa march = 120 bpm) covers about 80 yards per minute. That's just under 3MPH. Great exercise cardio thing. I still took the bus sometimes but only around downtown in the free zone. Why stand at a bus stop for the hourly bus to spend $.60 when an hour's walk you'd be there anyway? This summer I took a six month contract in the mountains doing a job I used to do twenty-five years ago. I was younger then. Before signing the contract I walked the length of the valley each evening (seven miles) for two weeks just to imagine I was in near the physical condition as I was when I was 24 y/o. (NOT) Still, it was a great training and it adjusted me to the altitude. (We're talking about 4,400 ft. above sea and the mountain top where I worked just under a mile.) Weeks into the contract I had lost some added pounds, my blood pressure and general well-being was greatly improved. And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. This evening I visited some friends. They had gas logs in three fireplaces in their home. They enjoy the warmth of the hearth yet they had the air conditioning running so the house didn't get too hot. I just noted the excess as they discarded food in preparation that I would have made meals from. Consumer electronics have been discarded as obsolete for the latest models, the kids are learning these same values, it's only money. dad! Oh, the fitness center membership for the whole family? How was little obese Johnny earning his allowance this summer while you paid $75.00 a week to someone to mow your lawn? OK... now I am ranting. From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:45:28 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LOL, Dave... by trade I'm a licensed electrical contractor. My degree is in in music performance (piano). Business? The past season among other duties, I was the old ragtime pianist in a Wild West Saloon at a theme park. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle! The WVO is from the food outlets. I'll share! Bring the family anytime! Let the kids ride the rides while you watch the Can-Can dancers and I'll send you home with as much oil as you can haul. Right now I've 124 containers settling in the garage. OY! From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:32:26 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Tim, I have no clue what your business is but I am envious of your WVO supply. Dave H... -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like Dodge City, Kansas --- On Dec 16, 2007 7:36 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, Dave... by trade I'm a licensed electrical contractor. My degree is in in music performance (piano). Business? The past season among other duties, I was the old ragtime pianist in a Wild West Saloon at a theme park. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle! The WVO is from the food outlets. I'll share! Bring the family anytime! Let the kids ride the rides while you watch the Can-Can dancers and I'll send you home with as much oil as you can haul. Right now I've 124 containers settling in the garage. OY! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope... actually, Western North Carolina where I call home, the Great Smoky Mountains. Y'all come! From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:20:21 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Sounds like Dodge City, Kansas --- On Dec 16, 2007 7:36 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, Dave... by trade I'm a licensed electrical contractor. My degree is in in music performance (piano). Business? The past season among other duties, I was the old ragtime pianist in a Wild West Saloon at a theme park. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle! The WVO is from the food outlets. I'll share! Bring the family anytime! Let the kids ride the rides while you watch the Can-Can dancers and I'll send you home with as much oil as you can haul. Right now I've 124 containers settling in the garage. OY! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, I'm just thinking of a worst-case scenario. Gerry .. This is beginning to sound like that $1,600. Troybilt tiller I bought so I could grow $15. worth of tomatoes and corn? From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:57:41 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D .. Fmiser wrote: If you contract out the land, pick something other than soy!! Peanuts, rape, cotton, palm, etc all make better base stock than soy. ... But...but...the government subsidizes soy biodiesel, and they wouldn't do that if it wasn't the best use of resources, would they? g Seriously, I believe yield per acre is under 40bu, and I recently saw an ad for a two stage heated press that claimed to extract over 1.1 gallon per bushel, so soy oil yield is going to be somewhere below 50 gallons per acre, and we all know that soy oil is not the preferred feed stock. The fun part of renting the land out on shares is going to be finding somebody who wants to farm the oilseed that you want, and finding a way to get the oil out of the seed if you want to make biodiesel with your 1/4th of the crop. In theory, you could do it with 100 acres and a $10k investment in your own oil press if you want to go with soy, which should be easy to find a farmer to partner with. Or you could just buy the press, and 1,000 bu of beans, and sell the leftover high protein soy meal for about what you paid for the beans. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought about insurance too. (No state tax in Florida.) Gerry .. - Original Message - From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I kinda think the cost of replacing those hybrid batteries which will have to be done about the time the warranty expires is a greater cost than what I paid for the four 300Ds. Let's see... the vehicle tax is due at the end of the month. Mine is $9.24 compared to brother's prime vehicle which is $238.00. I have no payment nor interest yet I believe brother's payment for three months would be equal to what I paid for each vehicle. Oh, and as my insurance is $247.00 for six months, the brother's is over $1,600. each six. hmmm From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:07:27 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg, lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries. Very tempting. Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved. If the fuel situation should get extremely bad, both MBs could be converted to run on VO. (I wonder how many acres of soybeans it would take to yield a years supply of VO; about 1000 gallons? I have a few acres that could be contract farmed. IMHO fuel prices will eventually be coming down. Plants are rapidly being built to extract oil from tar sands, and speculators won't be able to keep prices jacked up forever. Gerry '83 300D and 240D You go Brian! You'll have my vote for the rebuild vs. a new purchase.:) Dave H... -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D archer wrote: Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved. Or if you were wanting a new car anyway, spend less than 25k for a loaded Jetta TDI (some of the 2005 Passat TDIs are less than 25k now). You still get 45mpg, but without all the hassles of a Prius (batteries, etc). John ___ That's an idea. The reason I was thinking about a new car was because of the warrantee which would cover the car on out-of-town trips, and because; being a new car; it would be less likely to break down with minor or major problems. I read someplace that VW wouldn't be selling any diesels in the U.S. until around May '08 because of pollution equipment issues. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tim, where at in WNC? I attended WCU for a couple of years and lived in Cashiers, Sylva, Cullowhee and Franklin for even more years. Dave H... -- From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Nope... actually, Western North Carolina where I call home, the Great Smoky Mountains. Y'all come! From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:20:21 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Sounds like Dodge City, Kansas --- On Dec 16, 2007 7:36 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, Dave... by trade I'm a licensed electrical contractor. My degree is in in music performance (piano). Business? The past season among other duties, I was the old ragtime pianist in a Wild West Saloon at a theme park. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle! The WVO is from the food outlets. I'll share! Bring the family anytime! Let the kids ride the rides while you watch the Can-Can dancers and I'll send you home with as much oil as you can haul. Right now I've 124 containers settling in the garage. OY! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My mom is a AAA member. Years of that security and she was thrilled an opprotunity to use her AAA membership when it appeared I'd run out of fuel. We don't do diesel! was the reply. Maybe it's from the years they jumped off those early 80's American GM diesels? From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:51:41 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I thought about insurance too. (No state tax in Florida.) Gerry .. - Original Message - From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I kinda think the cost of replacing those hybrid batteries which will have to be done about the time the warranty expires is a greater cost than what I paid for the four 300Ds. Let's see... the vehicle tax is due at the end of the month. Mine is $9.24 compared to brother's prime vehicle which is $238.00. I have no payment nor interest yet I believe brother's payment for three months would be equal to what I paid for each vehicle. Oh, and as my insurance is $247.00 for six months, the brother's is over $1,600. each six. hmmm From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:07:27 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I stopped in and looked at a Toyota Prius the other day. 45-50 mpg, lifetime warrantee on mechanicals, 8 year warrantee on batteries. Very tempting. Then I went home and thought about it. For the $25,000+ a Prius would cost, I could turn the '83 300D into a like-new car and have plenty of money left over to buy the extra fuel a Prius would have saved. If the fuel situation should get extremely bad, both MBs could be converted to run on VO. (I wonder how many acres of soybeans it would take to yield a years supply of VO; about 1000 gallons? I have a few acres that could be contract farmed. IMHO fuel prices will eventually be coming down. Plants are rapidly being built to extract oil from tar sands, and speculators won't be able to keep prices jacked up forever. Gerry '83 300D and 240D You go Brian! You'll have my vote for the rebuild vs. a new purchase.:) Dave H... -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found
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OY... I'm a fixture at Cedar Creek, Cullasajah, Chatuga, Toxaway... Grew up summers at Lake Glenville (Nantahalah/Lake Thorpe) and would have attended WCU but grandfather was afraid I'd party too much at the lake. Instead I got a good Baptist BA at Mars Hill. I'm an Asheville native, Dave. From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:39:57 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Tim, where at in WNC? I attended WCU for a couple of years and lived in Cashiers, Sylva, Cullowhee and Franklin for even more years. Dave H... -- From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Nope... actually, Western North Carolina where I call home, the Great Smoky Mountains. Y'all come! From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:20:21 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D Sounds like Dodge City, Kansas --- On Dec 16, 2007 7:36 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, Dave... by trade I'm a licensed electrical contractor. My degree is in in music performance (piano). Business? The past season among other duties, I was the old ragtime pianist in a Wild West Saloon at a theme park. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle! The WVO is from the food outlets. I'll share! Bring the family anytime! Let the kids ride the rides while you watch the Can-Can dancers and I'll send you home with as much oil as you can haul. Right now I've 124 containers settling in the garage. OY! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Last week I treated the daily driver ('85 300D 323K+ mi) to a stay with the
indy. I got a list of things repaired that I wouldn't have been able to
accomplish. There's certainly a noticable difference in handling with the
new front end. Otherwise, there was no reason to expect the car to actually
run any better than it was. Everything seems fine as some additional errands
this week logged a total of 300 miles. As always, no hard starts even on
cold mornings.
Last night to escape Friday PM traffic I killed a few hours at a car parts
box store. I replaced some old bulbs in the parking lot. (The bulbs weren't
out but they were aged and black. There was immediate gratification.) On the
way home I stopped for fuel. It was cold! Instead of waiting for a truck
ahead at the regular diesel pump, I 16.8 ga. with B20 ( 20% bio/80% low
sulfur dino). I drove twenty two miles home.
Early this morning, mid-thirties, threat of snow, I left for a forty mile
commute. My usual habit is to tool along through the mountains at posted
speeds listening to NPR with coffee and cigarette. Not so this morning.
Seems the car was particularly frisky. Rather than riding along at normal
pace (60mph) while everyone else is speeding by at 75-80, I found myself
often overtaking cars or leaving the trucks behind on grade.
If I was driving differently than usual it's because the car seemed to be
running extremely well! I was having to hold myself back. On the way home I
took a scenic mountain rode just to enjoy the drive.
The point: Unless atmospheric conditions contributed (cold grey mist day) I
assume running the bio made this marked improvement in performance?
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It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a
biodiesel or biodiesel mix. However, one must be careful in that the
biodiesel will clean out a lot of the old gunk left in your fuel system by
the petrol diesel you are used to. With continued use it may prove
beneficial to carry a spare fuel filter in the trunk. Additionally, with
continued running of biodiesel you will begin to see a break down of the
old fuel lines. Biodiesel will eat through the old fuel lines with time.
This is easily prevented and/or repaired by the utilization of Vinton fuel
lines.
Not a bad deal though, huh? Better for the vehicle, better for the
environment and no war required to operate your vehicle :)
Dave H...
--
From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Last week I treated the daily driver ('85 300D 323K+ mi) to a stay with
the
indy. I got a list of things repaired that I wouldn't have been able to
accomplish. There's certainly a noticable difference in handling with the
new front end. Otherwise, there was no reason to expect the car to
actually
run any better than it was. Everything seems fine as some additional
errands
this week logged a total of 300 miles. As always, no hard starts even on
cold mornings.
Last night to escape Friday PM traffic I killed a few hours at a car parts
box store. I replaced some old bulbs in the parking lot. (The bulbs
weren't
out but they were aged and black. There was immediate gratification.) On
the
way home I stopped for fuel. It was cold! Instead of waiting for a truck
ahead at the regular diesel pump, I 16.8 ga. with B20 ( 20% bio/80% low
sulfur dino). I drove twenty two miles home.
Early this morning, mid-thirties, threat of snow, I left for a forty mile
commute. My usual habit is to tool along through the mountains at posted
speeds listening to NPR with coffee and cigarette. Not so this morning.
Seems the car was particularly frisky. Rather than riding along at
normal
pace (60mph) while everyone else is speeding by at 75-80, I found myself
often overtaking cars or leaving the trucks behind on grade.
If I was driving differently than usual it's because the car seemed to be
running extremely well! I was having to hold myself back. On the way home
I
took a scenic mountain rode just to enjoy the drive.
The point: Unless atmospheric conditions contributed (cold grey mist day)
I
assume running the bio made this marked improvement in performance?
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Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I don't know about the environment part -- a lot of the bio-d is being made from food crops (soybeans) that take a lot of dino to grow (fertilizer, fuel) and then to turn into bio-d (transport, refining), and is driving up food prices when diverted. Also, a lot of rainforest (cf. Indonesia) is being wiped out to grow oil palms, probably not a good thing. I think the Next Big Idea is to use algae that grows in seawater and sewage tanks in the desert, almost a solar fuel, but there is some distance to go on that. As for the war I guess it has not worked out too well, as oil prices keep going up. There was an interesting article the other day in the WSJ, or maybe it was the Houston paper, about the reasons for the rise in prices. They did not have much to do with anything but profiteering by the traders, and when that was factored out, the real price of oil should be in the $54 range, which is about where it was some few years ago. I'll see if I can find the article, it was enlightening. I was going to send it around then but forgot to get it. No politics have been created or destroyed in this email --R Dave H... wrote: better for the environment and no war required to operate your vehicle :) Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought that bioDiesel has a little less energy per gallon than dino. Is the performance improvement due to cleaning? On Dec 15, 2007 8:01 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a biodiesel or biodiesel mix. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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While certainly not an expert myself, my understanding is that biodiesel will provide a little higher cetane level yet simultaneously will not provide quite as good mileage. One should also note a less noisy engine and less smoking upon start up with bio than with petro diesel products. With continued use some research says that continued use of biodiesel will in fact improve performance due to its cleaning abilities. Dave H... -- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I thought that bioDiesel has a little less energy per gallon than dino. Is the performance improvement due to cleaning? On Dec 15, 2007 8:01 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a biodiesel or biodiesel mix. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Dave,
One repair was made last wee, because of a clogged vent the tank had
imploded even to the point of crushing the fuel sending unit. A new tank
wasn't feasible but for 1/3 the cost a tank was pulled which had actually
been running bio. While in the process, that tank was pressure cleaned and I
had fuel lines replaced (with intent maybe of using bio anyway). Yep, it's
all clean! It cost me $60. just to see that fuel gauge register full.
Prior to that I had about 8ga. capacity in tank and couldn't figure why I
kept running out of fuel.
I'm so proud of the nice clean fuel system that I might just keep bio in
this vehicle. The other 300Ds I have still have the old fuel lines but I'm
tempted to give them an occasional tank of bio and watch the filters.
As far as my original intention of building a reactor and converting my
supply of veggie oil? I'm actually turning that into soap as I've got a
market. My 'indie friend likes the lye soap and I keep him in a supply.
It's actually great to cut grease. (Anyone wanna try some msg me and I'll
send ya a bar. That's not a sales pitch, just a friendly offer of gift!
- die Laugeseife (the lye soap)).
Tim
From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:01:12 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a
biodiesel or biodiesel mix. However, one must be careful in that the
biodiesel will clean out a lot of the old gunk left in your fuel system by
the petrol diesel you are used to. With continued use it may prove
beneficial to carry a spare fuel filter in the trunk. Additionally, with
continued running of biodiesel you will begin to see a break down of the
old fuel lines. Biodiesel will eat through the old fuel lines with time.
This is easily prevented and/or repaired by the utilization of Vinton fuel
lines.
Not a bad deal though, huh? Better for the vehicle, better for the
environment and no war required to operate your vehicle :)
Dave H...
--
From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Last week I treated the daily driver ('85 300D 323K+ mi) to a stay with
the
indy. I got a list of things repaired that I wouldn't have been able to
accomplish. There's certainly a noticable difference in handling with the
new front end. Otherwise, there was no reason to expect the car to
actually
run any better than it was. Everything seems fine as some additional
errands
this week logged a total of 300 miles. As always, no hard starts even on
cold mornings.
Last night to escape Friday PM traffic I killed a few hours at a car parts
box store. I replaced some old bulbs in the parking lot. (The bulbs
weren't
out but they were aged and black. There was immediate gratification.) On
the
way home I stopped for fuel. It was cold! Instead of waiting for a truck
ahead at the regular diesel pump, I 16.8 ga. with B20 ( 20% bio/80% low
sulfur dino). I drove twenty two miles home.
Early this morning, mid-thirties, threat of snow, I left for a forty mile
commute. My usual habit is to tool along through the mountains at posted
speeds listening to NPR with coffee and cigarette. Not so this morning.
Seems the car was particularly frisky. Rather than riding along at
normal
pace (60mph) while everyone else is speeding by at 75-80, I found myself
often overtaking cars or leaving the trucks behind on grade.
If I was driving differently than usual it's because the car seemed to be
running extremely well! I was having to hold myself back. On the way home
I
took a scenic mountain rode just to enjoy the drive.
The point: Unless atmospheric conditions contributed (cold grey mist day)
I
assume running the bio made this marked improvement in performance?
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Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
I would enjoy reading that article if you can locate it again. I have been offered a fantastic deal on soybeans to produce my biodiesel with several times in the past. But, lets see what the real cost would be? Soy beans grown in South America via the use of petrol diesel machinery then transported to Charleston, SC via cargo ship burning a combination of used motor oil and petrol diesel. Unloaded from that cargo ship either by electric run crane or petrol diesel operating crane system. The product would then be shipped by truck to the rail station and delivered to Columbia, SC via the rail road. I hope it is needless to say that I turned this cheap offer down without even thinking about it. Cutting down rain forests to produce palm oil? That is a factual yet an absolutely stupid endeavor that I would not take part in and we, as the world's environment, will surely have to pay for. I produce all of my biodiesel from Waste Vegetable Oil and beginning to improve the usage of a by product of my process - glycerin. While certainly not totally a self sustaining fuel source biodiesel will at least begin to assist this nation in reducing our dependency on foreign oil sources. It makes no sense to me that American dollars are spent importing oils from countries that absolutely hate us and strive for our demise?? One sticker I use on my collection containers reads: Starve a terrorist and feed a farmer - American stock for American use. The use of soy as a feedstock to create biodiesel is a spin off from the political movements of the American Agribusiness structure. The National Biodiesel Board? Give me a break and stop treating the public like idiots Washington. As a feedstock for biodiesel it's (soy) yield, while much higher per acre than corn for ethanol is still a poor ROI. Jatroppa which is grown in lands not useful for normal, as we know it in this country, agricultural endeavors yields a much higher oil content than does soy. Additionally significant strides are being accomplished in the utilization of algae as a viable feedstock. Will war ever cease? Absolutely not! It is in man's nature. I believe that we are currently fighting for the use of oil and further think that the next great (what ever that means) war will occur for the use of water. Please do not misunderstand me. I enjoy a good discussion. I will even fight for a person's right to disagree with me. I served three tours in Nam and am proud to be an American. I am just fed up with politics per normal:( Dave H... -- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I don't know about the environment part -- a lot of the bio-d is being made from food crops (soybeans) that take a lot of dino to grow (fertilizer, fuel) and then to turn into bio-d (transport, refining), and is driving up food prices when diverted. Also, a lot of rainforest (cf. Indonesia) is being wiped out to grow oil palms, probably not a good thing. I think the Next Big Idea is to use algae that grows in seawater and sewage tanks in the desert, almost a solar fuel, but there is some distance to go on that. As for the war I guess it has not worked out too well, as oil prices keep going up. There was an interesting article the other day in the WSJ, or maybe it was the Houston paper, about the reasons for the rise in prices. They did not have much to do with anything but profiteering by the traders, and when that was factored out, the real price of oil should be in the $54 range, which is about where it was some few years ago. I'll see if I can find the article, it was enlightening. I was going to send it around then but forgot to get it. No politics have been created or destroyed in this email --R Dave H... wrote: better for the environment and no war required to operate your vehicle :) Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tim,
I would be interested in your formulary for creating the cleaner. I am
having limited success in that department.:)
Dave H...
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From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Dave,
One repair was made last wee, because of a clogged vent the tank had
imploded even to the point of crushing the fuel sending unit. A new tank
wasn't feasible but for 1/3 the cost a tank was pulled which had actually
been running bio. While in the process, that tank was pressure cleaned and
I
had fuel lines replaced (with intent maybe of using bio anyway). Yep, it's
all clean! It cost me $60. just to see that fuel gauge register full.
Prior to that I had about 8ga. capacity in tank and couldn't figure why I
kept running out of fuel.
I'm so proud of the nice clean fuel system that I might just keep bio in
this vehicle. The other 300Ds I have still have the old fuel lines but I'm
tempted to give them an occasional tank of bio and watch the filters.
As far as my original intention of building a reactor and converting my
supply of veggie oil? I'm actually turning that into soap as I've got a
market. My 'indie friend likes the lye soap and I keep him in a supply.
It's actually great to cut grease. (Anyone wanna try some msg me and I'll
send ya a bar. That's not a sales pitch, just a friendly offer of gift!
- die Laugeseife (the lye soap)).
Tim
From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:01:12 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a
biodiesel or biodiesel mix. However, one must be careful in that the
biodiesel will clean out a lot of the old gunk left in your fuel system
by
the petrol diesel you are used to. With continued use it may prove
beneficial to carry a spare fuel filter in the trunk. Additionally,
with
continued running of biodiesel you will begin to see a break down of the
old fuel lines. Biodiesel will eat through the old fuel lines with time.
This is easily prevented and/or repaired by the utilization of Vinton
fuel
lines.
Not a bad deal though, huh? Better for the vehicle, better for the
environment and no war required to operate your vehicle :)
Dave H...
--
From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Last week I treated the daily driver ('85 300D 323K+ mi) to a stay with
the
indy. I got a list of things repaired that I wouldn't have been able to
accomplish. There's certainly a noticable difference in handling with
the
new front end. Otherwise, there was no reason to expect the car to
actually
run any better than it was. Everything seems fine as some additional
errands
this week logged a total of 300 miles. As always, no hard starts even on
cold mornings.
Last night to escape Friday PM traffic I killed a few hours at a car
parts
box store. I replaced some old bulbs in the parking lot. (The bulbs
weren't
out but they were aged and black. There was immediate gratification.) On
the
way home I stopped for fuel. It was cold! Instead of waiting for a truck
ahead at the regular diesel pump, I 16.8 ga. with B20 ( 20% bio/80% low
sulfur dino). I drove twenty two miles home.
Early this morning, mid-thirties, threat of snow, I left for a forty
mile
commute. My usual habit is to tool along through the mountains at posted
speeds listening to NPR with coffee and cigarette. Not so this morning.
Seems the car was particularly frisky. Rather than riding along at
normal
pace (60mph) while everyone else is speeding by at 75-80, I found myself
often overtaking cars or leaving the trucks behind on grade.
If I was driving differently than usual it's because the car seemed to
be
running extremely well! I was having to hold myself back. On the way
home
I
took a scenic mountain rode just to enjoy the drive.
The point: Unless atmospheric conditions contributed (cold grey mist
day)
I
assume running the bio made this marked improvement in performance?
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Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Gee... suddenly I feel guilty buying bio and realising that the cost of masa flour goes up as a result. Actually, I've heard that some cultures are hurting because coomodities such as corn are diverted for fuel production thus the cost of a burrito goes up. (No sarcastic inflection there!) I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. I view my little fleet of 300D cars as the last cars I'll buy. Seems it costs more in resources to produce new, this idea that everything is disposable. I'm middle aged (only 49). I sat in a meeting today with kids (30-something). Since it was a Saturday thing I furnished lunch. It was a treat for them I guess, homebaked rye and pump for sandwiches, sprouts that I grew in my little hydroponic set-up... When I was throwing the bread together last night in my old KitchenAid I thought, Gee, my mixer is older than most of the guys who work for me. My cars are as old as a few. I wear button downs as old as a few of the college kids. I try to keep an open mind and listen as they bring new ideas to the table. From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:18:11 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I don't know about the environment part -- a lot of the bio-d is being made from food crops (soybeans) that take a lot of dino to grow (fertilizer, fuel) and then to turn into bio-d (transport, refining), and is driving up food prices when diverted. Also, a lot of rainforest (cf. Indonesia) is being wiped out to grow oil palms, probably not a good thing. I think the Next Big Idea is to use algae that grows in seawater and sewage tanks in the desert, almost a solar fuel, but there is some distance to go on that. As for the war I guess it has not worked out too well, as oil prices keep going up. There was an interesting article the other day in the WSJ, or maybe it was the Houston paper, about the reasons for the rise in prices. They did not have much to do with anything but profiteering by the traders, and when that was factored out, the real price of oil should be in the $54 range, which is about where it was some few years ago. I'll see if I can find the article, it was enlightening. I was going to send it around then but forgot to get it. No politics have been created or destroyed in this email --R Dave H... wrote: better for the environment and no war required to operate your vehicle :) Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Heck, after having been so dry with the mist/atmospheric conditions maybe there's more oxygen in the air and combustion was improved? From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:37:10 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D I thought that bioDiesel has a little less energy per gallon than dino. Is the performance improvement due to cleaning? On Dec 15, 2007 8:01 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a biodiesel or biodiesel mix. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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snip I'm middle aged (only 49). snip sprouts that I grew in my little hydroponic set-up... I will 49 in Feb. Back in the day I grew plants in hydroponics, but they weren't, uh, sprouts LOL Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Dave,
I have no 'formula for a cleaner. I just think that the lye soap which
retains the glycerin is not only kinder to the skin as it hydrates but it
seems to cut grease better. A regular bar of commercial handsoap hardly
makes suds when my hands are covered in grease. The lye soap seems to cut
through.
Dave, I'd considered Greasecar, the two tank system, to use some of the
WVO which is a by-product (perk) of our business. I don't have collection
containers. Every two days I just load eight 35# (original) containers of
fairly clean soybean oil. The food service employees were trained to assist
me as I was doing a service to recycle. As a result they're careful to avoid
contamination. When I pick it up it has been strained while still warm from
fryers. It's still a light honey color, not a dark brackish sludge.
From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:10:28 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Tim,
I would be interested in your formulary for creating the cleaner. I am
having limited success in that department.:)
Dave H...
--
From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Dave,
One repair was made last wee, because of a clogged vent the tank had
imploded even to the point of crushing the fuel sending unit. A new tank
wasn't feasible but for 1/3 the cost a tank was pulled which had actually
been running bio. While in the process, that tank was pressure cleaned and
I
had fuel lines replaced (with intent maybe of using bio anyway). Yep, it's
all clean! It cost me $60. just to see that fuel gauge register full.
Prior to that I had about 8ga. capacity in tank and couldn't figure why I
kept running out of fuel.
I'm so proud of the nice clean fuel system that I might just keep bio in
this vehicle. The other 300Ds I have still have the old fuel lines but I'm
tempted to give them an occasional tank of bio and watch the filters.
As far as my original intention of building a reactor and converting my
supply of veggie oil? I'm actually turning that into soap as I've got a
market. My 'indie friend likes the lye soap and I keep him in a supply.
It's actually great to cut grease. (Anyone wanna try some msg me and I'll
send ya a bar. That's not a sales pitch, just a friendly offer of gift!
- die Laugeseife (the lye soap)).
Tim
From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:01:12 -0500
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
It is not uncommon to identify a marked improvement when running on a
biodiesel or biodiesel mix. However, one must be careful in that the
biodiesel will clean out a lot of the old gunk left in your fuel system
by
the petrol diesel you are used to. With continued use it may prove
beneficial to carry a spare fuel filter in the trunk. Additionally,
with
continued running of biodiesel you will begin to see a break down of the
old fuel lines. Biodiesel will eat through the old fuel lines with time.
This is easily prevented and/or repaired by the utilization of Vinton
fuel
lines.
Not a bad deal though, huh? Better for the vehicle, better for the
environment and no war required to operate your vehicle :)
Dave H...
--
From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
Last week I treated the daily driver ('85 300D 323K+ mi) to a stay with
the
indy. I got a list of things repaired that I wouldn't have been able to
accomplish. There's certainly a noticable difference in handling with
the
new front end. Otherwise, there was no reason to expect the car to
actually
run any better than it was. Everything seems fine as some additional
errands
this week logged a total of 300 miles. As always, no hard starts even on
cold mornings.
Last night to escape Friday PM traffic I killed a few hours at a car
parts
box store. I replaced some old bulbs in the parking lot. (The bulbs
weren't
out but they were aged and black. There was immediate gratification.) On
the
way home I stopped for fuel. It was cold! Instead of waiting for a truck
ahead at the regular diesel pump, I 16.8 ga. with B20 ( 20% bio/80% low
sulfur dino). I drove twenty two miles home.
Early this morning, mid-thirties, threat of snow, I left for a forty
mile
commute. My usual habit is to tool along through the mountains at posted
speeds listening to NPR with coffee and cigarette. Not so this morning.
Seems the car
Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D
LOL... h and another threat was discussing generating electricity... grow lights? Nope... just alfalfa and wheat grass. Lord knows I'm obsessive and compulsive. There are some habits I never allowed myself to explore, thankfully. From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:46:01 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D snip I'm middle aged (only 49). snip sprouts that I grew in my little hydroponic set-up... I will 49 in Feb. Back in the day I grew plants in hydroponics, but they weren't, uh, sprouts LOL Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not more oxygen, but more water -- adds to the pressure in the combustion chamber? Not sure that this holds when the water is already a vapor. On Dec 15, 2007 9:40 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heck, after having been so dry with the mist/atmospheric conditions maybe there's more oxygen in the air and combustion was improved? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The cold, misty weather gives you more power from greater expansion of extra water vapor in the engine (I'm not kidding), and the biodiesel burns better than regular diesel (although you use a bit more). I suspect most of the difference is in the new front end not dragging, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, front end work was about 300 miles prior. The big difference in performance coincided with the B20 and the weather. I suspect you're quite right that the water vapor was the key factor. From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:23:07 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Knock on wood... 300D The cold, misty weather gives you more power from greater expansion of extra water vapor in the engine (I'm not kidding), and the biodiesel burns better than regular diesel (although you use a bit more). I suspect most of the difference is in the new front end not dragging, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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throwing the bread together last night in my old KitchenAid I thought, Gee, my mixer is older than most of the guys who work for me. My cars are as old as a few. Funny that this discussion should come up. As I was prepping the food processor to grind up some walnuts, I was thinking that this thing is as old as the 300SD! It was given to us by my parents, and they bought it in 1983 with blue chip stamps. Perhaps it's the holiday season that spawns the consumerism and disposability discussion since it's also taking place on another Mercedes list of which I'm a member. Newer isn't always better, and my new RC monster Baja is proof of that! It's got a problem with the one-way starting bearing after only 2 tanks of fuel! My 2 year old Traxxas Revo was a bit less powerful and slightly smaller, but at least I could have it ready for action within a couple minutes no matter how long it had been sitting since it's last use! This Losi's engine's one-way bearing is within the engine unlike the Traxxas, so it requires removal of the engine backplate as well as the starter assembly where the Traxxas only required pulling the starter assembly off the back of the engine. Now, I read that this bearing doesn't hold up well and requires frequent replacement. I think I'm going to be in the market for something that's been proven, another Revo, perhaps? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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greater expansion of extra water vapor in the engine (I'm not kidding), The topic of water injection came up on the other mercedes list as well. Is that the same reason that it supposedly works? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And this IMHO is the true key to making any real difference - just a little change or two in the behaviors of us all. No tree hugging here. But I do shake my head often at what I see around me. Maybe folks don't have to give up their Suburban or big 4x4 - I mean that's not going to happen. (heck, even here in the socialist state of Washington, I see more full sized 4x4s and SUVs than efficient cars - this has been a surprise to me) But maybe people could, once a week, forego driving. And maybe they could wake up and not mash the accelerator by default every time they take off. Okay, slipped into rant mode there. I have taken a much closer look lately, though, at what is sold to us as environmentally friendly. I hear the deeper issues surrounding bio and ethanol and hybrids, and I just revert to my belief that just a few little behavior mods are the real key. Oh, and someone mentioned that their 123s were keep-forever cars. I feel that way too! But just last night my wife reiterated her stance that we should drive these cars 'til they go belly up and then we should move on to something else. Well, actually, she did say that we should hang onto the 240D. I argue that these are classics (I even feel that way about our 190D) and nothing is going to come along that is going to be better in any true sense. I say let's just rebuild the engine or tranny when they go. Heck isn't that more enviro. friendly compared to contributing to the manufacture of new cars? Brian Timothy shared:I like to think I'm enviromentally responsible. That's why I pulled out of traffic last night, stopped the engine and killed an hour at the auto parts place... because I conserved another trip. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
