On 3/9/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A couple of general comments on this thread:
1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake
on the mountain symbol (not M+S rated tires, which means NOTHING)...
is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to
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I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal
response and some
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Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four
I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel
while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow,
just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was
spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to
You might want to find a set of Goodyear Regatta 2s while they are still
available. They have yet to let me down in rain, snow or ice (in
west-central Iowa, snow/ice country). They have been discontinued but are
still available from stock. In fact, I ordered 4 today (13, really rare)
for my VW.
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun
one wheel
while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice,
not snow,
just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which
tire was
spinning.
Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it.
On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in
their cars than they are worth.
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There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies.
-- Tom Clancy,
Ahhh yes but I also remember reading that those Aquatred or whatever
tires are absolutely shit when trying to reverse!
That was the first thing I heard about them as a problem...
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote:
Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it.
You should have no regrets. Somehow or another you got your moneys
worth. Even if all you get out of it was an education in what not to
do again. Hobbies usually cost money. You
Then again, they [Benz] are not for everybody.
My brother, the mechanic, hates them. Of course, he's rarely
worked on them and never driven one. He's into GM, or Toyota.
-- Jim
John:
I am 53 years old. I expect to still be driving this same 240D when the
State of Iowa makes me surrender my license in three or four decades. (I
drive about 6000 miles a year.) It will be a rusty SOB by then, but I think
the engine will still be cranking out that 68 horsepower and burning a
Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in
water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are
generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if
they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks
those things
GM???
How can anyone possibly defend the most cynical mediocre company in the
world???
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Jeff Zedic
Toronto
I know I may sound that way. But I'd refer you to another post or two that
I've made tonight while I should be working. I stated that I really do like
these autos and they are one of the few types that I want to drive. If I
sound negative on them don't be offended, guys.
I think I am gradually
I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB
tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't
end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i
bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a mini dog-biscuit
Great info. I am very interested in what you wrote about the assigning of
fault in the case of crashing into or with someone in snow or ice. I have
never heard that fault may be assigned based on the type of tires one has.
Does this mean that someone with a rear drive car would get blamed over
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Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the
two drive wheels will just
My dad likes to say: If you love a car, you love it. Doesn't have to be any
logic to it.
Brian
On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote:
Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it.
You should have no regrets.
A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask:
Do
they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? Or can you use them
throughout
the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons
do
they last? I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at
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A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask:
Do they wear out
Dwight said:
The problem now is that the studs are worn
down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am
throwing away good tires.
Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do
the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the
Johnny B. wrote:
I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$
in
their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw
parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly
diagnose problems.
I have a good example in my
I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. Though
I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.
As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on
and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges. (do they even
make those anymore?)
I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares.
The Chicken Wagon came with a set of these on it. No problems
getting around, but that car gets driven very little.
Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.
I put studded Hakka 1's on the SDL and my wife's SL.
] Traction in adverse conditions
I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. Though
I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.
As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on
and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges. (do
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Dwight said:
The problem now is that the studs are worn
down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am
real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean
snow tire).
(flame suit on)
Dave M.
(Four studded Kumhos KW-11's on the VW, studless Kumhos on the 300E)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction
On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:10 PM, LT Don wrote:
John:
I am 53 years old. I expect to still be driving this same 240D when
the
State of Iowa makes me surrender my license in three or four
decades. (I
drive about 6000 miles a year.) It will be a rusty SOB by then, but
I think
the engine will
Im trying out the kumhos, many folks around here like them, they are
cheap, last a long time, and have good traction supposedly.
Loren Faeth wrote:
I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB
tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i
Zoltan Finks wrote:
I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel
while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow,
just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was
spinning. One may or may not have been on the
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote:
Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in
water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are
generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if
they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,,
Loren Faeth wrote:
I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB
tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't
end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i
bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a
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A couple of general comments on this thread:
1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake
On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
On a positive note, a brief drive tonight to the store for grocs.
was quite
pleasing
Feelng better now?
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me
ask: Do
they wear out very quickly on dry pavement?
No but, by law, most states require that they are removed by a
predetermined date. In NY they are allowed from Oct 15-May
On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Levi Smith wrote:
I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares.
Though
I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well.
I have used both Blizzaks and Nokian Hakkapalitas as well as many
other brands. Hancook Zovacks with studs work at
On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free
blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the
changeover.
Dwight Giles, Jr
If you intend to put studs in used tires be prepared to pick each
: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free
blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the
changeover.
Dwight Giles, Jr
If you intend to put studs
That's good news. As soon as I can get better tires on there and become a
better driver, and place a few sandbags in the the space designed for them,
I can expect the car to back me up into my parking space like all my other
cars do.
Brian
Marshall wrote:
Your problem isn't the design of the
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On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4
It's a judgement call by the officer on the scene. has nothing to do
with front rear wheel drive especially since a rwd equipped with snows
will handle better than an equally equipped FWD in most cases
If you choose to drive on snow and you have snow tires or chains, then
you are officially
I've used (and LOVED) Blizzaks for the last 5-6 years (bought 3 sets, 2
new and one used with about 7.5kmi on them). They are as good as studs
on snow and ice and even better on ice at temps below zero (F) (when ice
becomes too hard for studs to penetrate) BUT only for the first 15-20kmi.
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That's good news. As soon as I can get better tires on there and become a
better driver, and place a few sandbags in the the space designed for them,
I can expect the car to back me up into my
John Berryman wrote:
They are illegal in some locales, I believe Canada or at least
Ontario doesn't allow them
Neither does Michigan. I think Minnesota and Wisconsin also outlawed them.
Zoltan Finks wrote:
I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal
response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its
tires). Now that my personal archives have been wiped out, I will need to
ask it again:
Do the klattas (specifically, the 83 240D) have
123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars
had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some
of the later 124s had them too.
Marshall
Not to question the diesel doctor, but...
I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126 chassis) with ASR
I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal
response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its
tires).
My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that
will not spin a tire on ice??
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
mhall27 wrote:
123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars
had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some
of the later 124s had them too.
Marshall
Not to question the diesel doctor, but...
I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126
So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing
home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times
when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow.
These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or
So you're serious?
Nope. Tongue planted firmly in cheek. I have heard tho' that with a hundred
pounds or so in the trunk slippery weather performance with these or the
300d's is excellent.
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
Aaak. I'm not used to someone's sense of humor rivaling mine for dryness.
Brian
On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you're serious?
Nope. Tongue planted firmly in cheek. I have heard tho' that with a
hundred
pounds or so in the trunk slippery weather performance with these
mhall27 wrote:
123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class
cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had
one. Some of the later 124s had them too.
Marshall
Not to question the diesel doctor, but...
I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL
I live in west-central Iowa. Most years (this one being very mild) that
means up to your butt in snow, sub-zero temps, and on good days lots of
ice. By mild I mean motorcycle weather in late February and early March.
I have two 40 pound (I think) sandbags in my trunk, shoved as far forward as
Put a set of four Nokian snow tires on it and drop 2 or 3 40 lb sacks
of kitty litter in the trunk, and you'll have a very hard time trying to
get that thing to spin a wheel. The thing will just feel like you are
driving on a dirt road.
-Robert
Zoltan Finks wrote:
So you're
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I live in west-central Iowa. Most years (this one being very mild) that
means up to your butt in snow, sub-zero
Zoltan Finks wrote:
So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing
home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times
when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow.
These are instances in which the most underpowered
and
straighten it out.
Mike
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Zoltan Finks wrote:
So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four
corners-walks through 4 or 5 of snow no problems and no slip on the
take off. Stops well with the studs too.
With studded snows on all four corners there is almost NOTHING except
12+ of unplowed,
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I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal
response and some snickering (over
Yeah, I'd love to have a set of winter wheels with winter tires that I can
pull off for the non-winter months. $$#
Question: What will be the effects on the suspension (rear particularly) of
putting a few hundred pounds in the trunk and driving around with it for 6
months at a time? I mean, it'll
Yeah, I'd love to have a set of winter wheels with winter tires that I can
pull off for the non-winter months. $$#
Question: What will be the effects on the suspension (rear particularly) of
putting a few hundred pounds in the trunk and driving around with it for 6
months at a time? I mean, it'll
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