Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
On 3/9/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of general comments on this thread: 1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake on the mountain symbol (not M+S rated tires, which means NOTHING)... is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to steer, and/or stop, right? A set of snows usually last for many seasons. A couple hundred bucks, spread out over a few years, is way cheaper than wrecking your car, or getting stranded somewhere. 2) Anyone who thinks all season tires work great in snow or ice either does not live in real ice or snow country, or has never driven a car with four real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean snow tire). I strongly agree and I don't even live in real ice or snow country! But I think I need to add one: 3) If you routinely change tires for the winter but don't have a second set of wheels you're being penny-wise and pound-foolish. Potomac German Auto will sell you a set of four beat-up but straight alloys for $150 or so, and I imagine Kaleb can do better. Get the snow tires mounted on 'em once and forget ever again having to plan ahead to switch over---now you can do it yourself. Plus you save wear and tear on your nice rims. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
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Get studs. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Marshall. You're right. Goes through snow like a plow. Reminds me of my 64 Chevy II. I did get it hung up once when I ran a 12 plow ridge and had to shovel to bring it down to earth. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four corners-walks through 4 or 5 of snow no problems and no slip on the take off. Stops well with the studs too. With studded snows on all four corners there is almost NOTHING except 12+ of unplowed, unpacked snow (the car will simply sit on top with the wheels dangling) that will stop MOST Mercedes. They will stop and steer pretty well too. While I've never found an anti-slip rear to be essential under bad conditions (I've never been stranded because I didn't have it), I'm told that the handling of '90s model 124s/140s with ASR is somewhat amazing on snow or ice! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D
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You might want to find a set of Goodyear Regatta 2s while they are still available. They have yet to let me down in rain, snow or ice (in west-central Iowa, snow/ice country). They have been discontinued but are still available from stock. In fact, I ordered 4 today (13, really rare) for my VW. On 3/8/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D Sounds like you are down on these cars, maybe you acted hastily and made a mistake. You won't be the first or last to have done so. The up side is, if you get the car into good shape, it should give you many trouble-free years of driving. I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly diagnose problems. Its tricky if you don't know your shit. Then again, they are not for everybody. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Ahhh yes but I also remember reading that those Aquatred or whatever tires are absolutely shit when trying to reverse! That was the first thing I heard about them as a problem... Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote: Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. You should have no regrets. Somehow or another you got your moneys worth. Even if all you get out of it was an education in what not to do again. Hobbies usually cost money. You could spend it on much worse things for sure. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Then again, they [Benz] are not for everybody. My brother, the mechanic, hates them. Of course, he's rarely worked on them and never driven one. He's into GM, or Toyota. -- Jim
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John: I am 53 years old. I expect to still be driving this same 240D when the State of Iowa makes me surrender my license in three or four decades. (I drive about 6000 miles a year.) It will be a rusty SOB by then, but I think the engine will still be cranking out that 68 horsepower and burning a few quarts of Mobil 1 Spaceship/Spacestation (by then) every so often. On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote: Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. You should have no regrets. Somehow or another you got your moneys worth. Even if all you get out of it was an education in what not to do again. Hobbies usually cost money. You could spend it on much worse things for sure. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks those things used to scare me to death. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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GM??? How can anyone possibly defend the most cynical mediocre company in the world??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Zedic Toronto
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I know I may sound that way. But I'd refer you to another post or two that I've made tonight while I should be working. I stated that I really do like these autos and they are one of the few types that I want to drive. If I sound negative on them don't be offended, guys. I think I am gradually waking up to the reality of actual ownership after 1.5 yrs. of wanting, then owning but not being able to drive it because of junk engine. The talk on the list coupled with my desire to get one had me feeling that ownership would be mostly bliss. On a positive note, a brief drive tonight to the store for grocs. was quite pleasing (after commuting in the Saab for the last week and half). The Mercedes is such a soothing, solid, pleasing experience, in contrast to the more hectic, harsh, zippy feeling from the other car. Of course, zippy can be very good too. Brian 83 240D John wrote: Sounds like you are down on these cars, maybe you acted hastily and made a mistake. On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D Sounds like you are down on these cars, maybe you acted hastily and made a mistake. You won't be the first or last to have done so. The up side is, if you get the car into good shape, it should give you many trouble-free years of driving. I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly diagnose problems. Its tricky if you don't know your shit. Then again, they are not for everybody. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a mini dog-biscuit tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range). I've not seen anything else as good in all conditions since. I could plow snow with that car on those tires. Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are not a year round tire. I am currently trying out contis. When i could get German Contis, that was all I'd buy. The jury is still out on these US (general) contis. Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise go to pot. They are overpriced. They are french. I don't want them. Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a problem. The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too. Bad years are overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out! I was impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987) I could buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come apart or slip a belt. I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble. I even had frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it. (cause there were no Contis available in that size at the time) They seemed to do ok and had a grippy tread pattern and decent compound. I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu. I was not happy with them. They came apart after a year or two. I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow and ice. I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is about the end for them as a set of 4. I think I can get one more winter out of 2 of them. As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and driver. I am a Dieseler. I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year. Medium grade, all season tires are suited for this application I won't buy hard high mileage tires. They will wreck your car and can kill you and other people. My mantra: Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance. $0.02 Loren Lotsa MBs now A company Dog Caravan I drive sometimes. At 10:26 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote: Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks those things used to scare me to death. --Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Great info. I am very interested in what you wrote about the assigning of fault in the case of crashing into or with someone in snow or ice. I have never heard that fault may be assigned based on the type of tires one has. Does this mean that someone with a rear drive car would get blamed over someone with a front drive car? And would someone with four wheel drive win in court over someone with front drive? In other words, does this law (is it really a law, or is it an insurance company guideline, or what is it?) apply to anything other than tires? Thanks Brian 83 240D Robert wrote: and in most cases, if you get tangled up with another car in the snow, and the other guy doesn't have real snow tires ( all seasons don't count ) it generally automatically becomes the other guys fault ( it's called not having proper safety equipment for conditions ).
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A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get studs. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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My dad likes to say: If you love a car, you love it. Doesn't have to be any logic to it. Brian On 3/8/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:43 PM, LT Don wrote: Uh ... yea, guilty as charged. And I don't regret a penny of it. You should have no regrets. Somehow or another you got your moneys worth. Even if all you get out of it was an education in what not to do again. Hobbies usually cost money. You could spend it on much worse things for sure. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. They chew the roads more than the roads chew back. That said, I'm in favor of them, depending on how/where you drive them. We have an icy hill up to our place. If it weren't for that last 1/2 mile, we'd have little actual need of studs. They last for several years. I noticed that many of the studs on the SDL are pushed in. They tend to burrow into the tire with age and eventually start causing a lot of flats! Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? Some States, and at times of the year. WA and ID both publish the studs-allowed dates widely. -- Jim
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Brian, Yes studs are illegal some places now and elsewhere legal only for a season-here it is 11/15-4/15. They have many advantages and some drawbacks. I used them years ago on rear wheel drive-my Chevy II. Then as I gradually switched over to FWD and AWED, I went over to all season radials. My 240D came with studded tires-I have driven them 4 winters-about 20k miles. The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. The main annoyance is the twice a year switchover-I wish I had another set of wheels. I don't know the cost factor of studs. One of the major advantages is stopping on ice or hard packed snow. Next winter I will use the blizzaks that someone gave me-hopefully for two seasons. Then I will probably go back to studs. Like LT. Don, I hope to be driving my 240D when the state of RI comes to take my license away for old age. Whether you have studs or not, I think with RWD in winter climes, four aggressive snow tires are worth the investment and the hassle of change overs. IMHO Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get studs. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike
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Johnny B. wrote: I'm sure that there are many on this list who have way more $$$ in their cars than they are worth. I see a lot of folks willing to throw parts at their problems until they get it right rather than properly diagnose problems. I have a good example in my car - 1990 300SEL. The previous owner bought it for $10,500 in Early 2003. It only had 75,000 at the time. Over the next two and half years he spent over $20,000 on the car fixing everything and making the car perfect. He intended to drive it forever. Well his circumstances changed, he started a new business and needed a large 4X4 SUV. I bought this car (which he had over $3 in) for $5400. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL
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I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well. As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges. (do they even make those anymore?) Oops, no more studs... (: Levi On 3/9/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike
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I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. The Chicken Wagon came with a set of these on it. No problems getting around, but that car gets driven very little. Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well. I put studded Hakka 1's on the SDL and my wife's SL. The SL's set has migrated to the Frankenheap. They are (or perhaps 'were', they're like 5+ years old now) amazing. But the most amazing winter feats have been in the truck, on all-season semi-aggressive on/offroad tires, carrying the camper. 400# in the bed? How about 3000+#! 4wd too. -- Jim
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Used to run the Nokians on a Subaru hatchback..That thing would go anywhere in the snow on and off the road. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well. As for the studs, my uncle told me that a friend of his once had a set on and proceeded to do a burnout on one of those grated bridges. (do they even make those anymore?) Oops, no more studs... (: Levi On 3/9/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the changeover. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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A couple of general comments on this thread: 1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake on the mountain symbol (not M+S rated tires, which means NOTHING)... is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to steer, and/or stop, right? A set of snows usually last for many seasons. A couple hundred bucks, spread out over a few years, is way cheaper than wrecking your car, or getting stranded somewhere. 2) Anyone who thinks all season tires work great in snow or ice either does not live in real ice or snow country, or has never driven a car with four real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean snow tire). (flame suit on) Dave M. (Four studded Kumhos KW-11's on the VW, studless Kumhos on the 300E) -- Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:47:14 -0500 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Dwight said: The problem now is that the studs are worn down, but there is a lot of aggressive tread left -so I feel as if I am throwing away good tires. Just because the points are gone off the studs doesn't mean they won't do the job. When the tire flexes it will allow the edges of the stud to bite. Actually most studded tires get very poor traction on dry and/or wet roads until the studs are worn down some. I'm sure the old Chevy II(My FAVORITE Chevy) would spin the studded tires quite easily until they were broken in. I have run Blizzaks on my 62 Buick Special wagon(yeah with the 215 aluminum V8 and 3 on the tree) and they WORK GREAT!!! So good in fact that you will want them on the front as well so you can steer when they dig in. Only complaints I had were the price and the fact that they wear very fast on the highway. No need for studs at all with them though as the siping and soft compound do a very good job of gripping anything they can find. My $.02, Mike
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:10 PM, LT Don wrote: John: I am 53 years old. I expect to still be driving this same 240D when the State of Iowa makes me surrender my license in three or four decades. (I drive about 6000 miles a year.) It will be a rusty SOB by then, but I think the engine will still be cranking out that 68 horsepower and burning a few quarts of Mobil 1 Spaceship/Spacestation (by then) every so often. This, in my opinion, is a reasonable expectation. So if you put a little extra $$$ into it now, it'll work out in the long run. I f you have $2000 in a car and it lasts a year with no major problems, you got your money's worth. Anything past that and you're ahead of the game. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Im trying out the kumhos, many folks around here like them, they are cheap, last a long time, and have good traction supposedly. Loren Faeth wrote: I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a mini dog-biscuit tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range). I've not seen anything else as good in all conditions since. I could plow snow with that car on those tires. Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are not a year round tire. I am currently trying out contis. When i could get German Contis, that was all I'd buy. The jury is still out on these US (general) contis. Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise go to pot. They are overpriced. They are french. I don't want them. Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a problem. The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too. Bad years are overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out! I was impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987) I could buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come apart or slip a belt. I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble. I even had frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it. (cause there were no Contis available in that size at the time) They seemed to do ok and had a grippy tread pattern and decent compound. I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu. I was not happy with them. They came apart after a year or two. I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow and ice. I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is about the end for them as a set of 4. I think I can get one more winter out of 2 of them. As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and driver. I am a Dieseler. I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year. Medium grade, all season tires are suited for this application I won't buy hard high mileage tires. They will wreck your car and can kill you and other people. My mantra: Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance. $0.02 Loren Lotsa MBs now A company Dog Caravan I drive sometimes. At 10:26 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not too encouraged by what happened a few minutes ago. I spun one wheel while trying to back up onto the concrete pad I park on. Not ice, not snow, just rain water. It is a slight incline. I couldn't tell you which tire was spinning. One may or may not have been on the concrete as opposed to the asphalt beside it. There is very good tread remaining on the Michelins, and they are the type with a channel down the center for rain. But, I do recognize that the tires are likely old and they sat in the AZ sun for who knows for how long. I know with certainty that had there been H2O in any other state present I would not have been able to park. Your problem isn't the design of the car. It may be your tires or it may be your driving, but it's NOT the car's design. The only time I experience anything lake what you are describing (in a 201 190D) it was the tires (they had plenty of tread). New quality tires and all traction problems went away. In snow, 75-100 lb in the trunk (which makes the front/rear weight distribution almost a perfect 50:50) improves traction even with studded tires. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Michelins are not exactly a good measure of traction ,especially in water or worse. The things last forever, but their hard compounds are generally pretty scary on slippery surfaces. This would be even worse if they were dried out. Michelins are bad enough on cars,, on big trucks those things used to scare me to death. While I have NEVER been fond of the traction or life of the MXV3/4 tires that Mercedes supplied as OE on most of my cars, I have used 4 sets (on 3 different cars) of Michelin X-Ones and have been totally satisfied with them in good and bad (even in snow) weather and have gotten exceptional life (80+kmi) from each set. If they still made the tire, they would be the next set of all season tires on the next car that needs tires. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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Loren Faeth wrote: I like sticky all weather tires. I generally look for T rated A A or AB tires that have fairly soft compounds. They may not go 100K, but i won't end up in the ditch or worse either. When i got my 200D back in 72, i bought a set of dunlops to go with it. These tires had a mini dog-biscuit tread pattern, were sticky, but wore adequately (40K range). I've not seen anything else as good in all conditions since. I could plow snow with that car on those tires. Well, the blizzacks are good in winter, but they are not a year round tire. I am currently trying out contis. When i could get German Contis, that was all I'd buy. The jury is still out on these US (general) contis. Michelins, in my experience rarely wear out, but slip belts and otherwise go to pot. They are overpriced. They are french. I don't want them. Finding good tires at a reasonable price in the US is a problem. The blizzacks and Nokis are overpriced too. Bad years are overpriced an usually slip belts, but when I bought the vw it was on expensive goodyears, and they did actually last until they wore out! I was impressed with them, but they were probably $400 back then (1987) I could buy Contis for $30 each at the time. I have NEVER had a German Conti come apart or slip a belt. I ran them on the ford van (6 Ply rated) the MB, the valiant, the escort, the Datsun and never had any trouble. I even had frenchy Kleber tires on the valiant when we sold it. (cause there were no Contis available in that size at the time) They seemed to do ok and had a grippy tread pattern and decent compound. I had expensive Toyos on the Escort, cause Lex Brodie said they were good, and you don't have a lot of choices in Honolulu. I was not happy with them. They came apart after a year or two. I have been running some Remingtons on my SDLs but they don't grip in snow and ice. I have been running blizzacks in the winter, but this winter is about the end for them as a set of 4. I think I can get one more winter out of 2 of them. As with all tires, your mileage may vary, and it depends on the car and driver. I am a Dieseler. I rarely go over 80 and don't drive the SCCA circuit. But I drive 30-60K a year. Medium grade, all season tires are suited for this application I won't buy hard high mileage tires. They will wreck your car and can kill you and other people. My mantra: Good, sticky tires are cheap insurance. $0.02 Never had a Conti (I've had 4-5 sets of them) last more than 35-40kmi and there was NOTHING about wet or dry traction that was better than adequate. They WERE fairly quiet. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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I would have disagreed with this until a couple winters ago when I had snows put on the 240D. I got just cheapies from Tire Warehouse but they were outstanding, except on water when you have to carefully modulate the brakes to not slide. With those cheapie snows the 240D would go anywhere. Of course with good all seasons it would go nearly anywhere... Lasted good too, I put like 30,000 on 'em without unacceptable wear. My 190D with good allseasons goes pretty good but I'm thinking next winter I'll get a set of snows on it... -Curt Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:30:38 -0700 From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A couple of general comments on this thread: 1) Putting on two snow tires - meaning real snows, with the snowflake on the mountain symbol (not M+S rated tires, which means NOTHING)... is half useless. You need FOUR snow tires. You do expect to steer, and/or stop, right? A set of snows usually last for many seasons. A couple hundred bucks, spread out over a few years, is way cheaper than wrecking your car, or getting stranded somewhere. 2) Anyone who thinks all season tires work great in snow or ice either does not live in real ice or snow country, or has never driven a car with four real snow tires (again, an M+S rating does not mean snow tire). (flame suit on) Dave M. (Four studded Kumhos KW-11's on the VW, studless Kumhos on the 300E) - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 09 17:15:42 2006 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FHOjj-0005hP-Td for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:15:40 + DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dZvoVXVyd+Jfq7xJKU+Kv6yuqgftQWu38H0jb1tNVvzN4pxhZ8kzNj0CbdBen+ga; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [65.110.128.59] (helo=[192.168.2.74]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FHOjg-0001FZ-Tt for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:15:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:15:36 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: b3baf86f04a51c2f0f36c4a2948c83129ef193a6bfc3dd484d00ae1e26e5ff3e20071c32f8c944682601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.110.128.59 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody need front coil springs for 450SL? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:15:44 - On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:12 AM, michael smith wrote: Also have brake pads for W116 (rear) and multiple front brake calipers for W116 Mike in San Diego Mike, I could use a pair of Bendix front calipers (as long as they're not stuck) and I could also put the rear pads to use. I found some reman calipers for $52.00 ea but would rebuild a used pair, both for peace of mind and $aving. Do you have good hoses w/calipers? E-mail me [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to ship to me in the 12814 zip code and to discuss price of parts and shipping. I can PayPal the $$ or whatever method you prefer. I will be starting work on my 116 in the next few days. Thanks, Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: On a positive note, a brief drive tonight to the store for grocs. was quite pleasing Feelng better now? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: A lot of talk about studded tires. I've never used them so let me ask: Do they wear out very quickly on dry pavement? No but, by law, most states require that they are removed by a predetermined date. In NY they are allowed from Oct 15-May 15. Or can you use them throughout the winter - even if conditions are dry - and if so, how many seasons do they last? Yes and longevity depends on all of the variables. I would think that the studs, if used in dry conditions at all would go bye bye quickly. Not really especially if they are carbide. Most newer/better snow tires have a cushion beneath the studs to allow them to retract a bit on contact. Centrifugal force helps them come out and get a purchase when the wheels spin. Also: I thought I had heard that studded tires were illegal some places? They are illegal in some locales, I believe Canada or at least Ontario doesn't allow them Brian Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Levi Smith wrote: I'll second the Blizzaks. I've yet to run anything that compares. Though I've heard the Nokian's are up there as well. I have used both Blizzaks and Nokian Hakkapalitas as well as many other brands. Hancook Zovacks with studs work at least as well and are less than half the cost. We live where Winter is long deep and cold. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the changeover. Dwight Giles, Jr If you intend to put studs in used tires be prepared to pick each and every stud hole clean. Little stones, sand, glass chips etc will not allow the studs to be installed properly. This can be quite time consuming, more so if you intend to run all 4. Not cleaning out the holes will result in problems ranging from studs falling out to punctures. I'll never do it again unless I get mint tires for free. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Most shops will not stud a used tire for that reason exactly..You can get the studs in but they won't stay for long. Mike - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the changeover. Dwight Giles, Jr If you intend to put studs in used tires be prepared to pick each and every stud hole clean. Little stones, sand, glass chips etc will not allow the studs to be installed properly. This can be quite time consuming, more so if you intend to run all 4. Not cleaning out the holes will result in problems ranging from studs falling out to punctures. I'll never do it again unless I get mint tires for free. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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That's good news. As soon as I can get better tires on there and become a better driver, and place a few sandbags in the the space designed for them, I can expect the car to back me up into my parking space like all my other cars do. Brian Marshall wrote: Your problem isn't the design of the car. It may be your tires or it may be your driving, but it's NOT the car's design.
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No I won't put studs in them. I used to work in a factory where we made studs and studding tools-I know the process. I will run the blizzaks as is next winter. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Berryman Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Thanks Mike-well I may try the studs one more winter. I have 4 free blizzaks as well. Need to find 3 more wheels so I don't have pay the changeover. Dwight Giles, Jr If you intend to put studs in used tires be prepared to pick each and every stud hole clean. Little stones, sand, glass chips etc will not allow the studs to be installed properly. This can be quite time consuming, more so if you intend to run all 4. Not cleaning out the holes will result in problems ranging from studs falling out to punctures. I'll never do it again unless I get mint tires for free. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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It's a judgement call by the officer on the scene. has nothing to do with front rear wheel drive especially since a rwd equipped with snows will handle better than an equally equipped FWD in most cases If you choose to drive on snow and you have snow tires or chains, then you are officially operating your vehicle with proper safety equipment for conditions, if someone gets into you who is not equipped, it is generally automatically considered their fault because the vehicle was not properly equiped. In some western states, not only will they call it the other guys fault, but they''ll write him a big fat ticket to go with it for not having proper safety equipment. A person is supposed to have enough sense to refrain from \operating their vehicle in adverse conditions unless properly equipped. Some states block the roads and won't let you go if you don't have them. others just expect you to use your brain.Driving on snow without snow tires or chains is about as safe as driving in the rain with bald tires and no wipers. ( something that will also get you cited if you get in a wreck ) Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: Great info. I am very interested in what you wrote about the assigning of fault in the case of crashing into or with someone in snow or ice. I have never heard that fault may be assigned based on the type of tires one has. Does this mean that someone with a rear drive car would get blamed over someone with a front drive car? And would someone with four wheel drive win in court over someone with front drive? In other words, does this law (is it really a law, or is it an insurance company guideline, or what is it?) apply to anything other than tires? Thanks Brian 83 240D Robert wrote: and in most cases, if you get tangled up with another car in the snow, and the other guy doesn't have real snow tires ( all seasons don't count ) it generally automatically becomes the other guys fault ( it's called not having proper safety equipment for conditions ). ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I've used (and LOVED) Blizzaks for the last 5-6 years (bought 3 sets, 2 new and one used with about 7.5kmi on them). They are as good as studs on snow and ice and even better on ice at temps below zero (F) (when ice becomes too hard for studs to penetrate) BUT only for the first 15-20kmi. Blizzaks wear even faster if driven in temperatures much above 50-60 F. After the soft compound wears off (15-20kmi)they are a rather mediocre snow tire. As for studs - in my experience they are fine until the studs start to shed. Blizzaks are MUCH nicer on a just wet or dry road at highway speeds. A good set of studded tires can give at least 30kmi and some give 40+kmi of service. I have a set Vredestein studded tires that still have all but a couple of studs, 3/4 tread, after 46kmi - I bought them in 1988 (no I haven't used them on the highway in 7-8 years or even in the city in about 3-4 years). A friend bought and used the same Vredestein studded tire (same year I bought mine) in winter on his RX-7 for 14-15 years. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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My bet would be tires too. I had a set of Michelins that would not wear out. However, the older they got the harder the rubber got (I assume) and it got to where I could hardly move on flat ground in the winter. They were on a car I did not plan to keep forever so I swapped them for some cheap house brand all season radials from a local discount auto store and the difference was like night and day. The car became much more drivable in winter conditions. I think I am seeing that with our 4Runner even now. The current set of tires (big old 31X10.5's) are 5 winters old. They do not have the traction that they once had but still have lots of tread even with around 50K miles on them. I think they will get replaced for next winter even though they will not be worn out. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions That's good news. As soon as I can get better tires on there and become a better driver, and place a few sandbags in the the space designed for them, I can expect the car to back me up into my parking space like all my other cars do. Brian Marshall wrote: Your problem isn't the design of the car. It may be your tires or it may be your driving, but it's NOT the car's design. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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John Berryman wrote: They are illegal in some locales, I believe Canada or at least Ontario doesn't allow them Neither does Michigan. I think Minnesota and Wisconsin also outlawed them.
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Zoltan Finks wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). Now that my personal archives have been wiped out, I will need to ask it again: Do the klattas (specifically, the 83 240D) have any sort of limited slip in the rear differential? I suppose I'll find out eventually, but what can y'all tell me about it? If I'm on a very slippery surface am I going to get some one-wheel-wonder action? 123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall Not to question the diesel doctor, but... I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126 chassis) with ASR and a hydraulicly activated LSD. Prolly a very rare option. Mike
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I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
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mhall27 wrote: 123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall Not to question the diesel doctor, but... I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126 chassis) with ASR and a hydraulicly activated LSD. Prolly a very rare option. Mike I can't find ANY documentation for an S class diesel (up thru 1989) with limited slip rear, but that doesn't mean that someone couldn't stick one in. There could have been '90 or later 126 (perhaps a 350SD/SDL) with ASD. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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So you're serious? Nope. Tongue planted firmly in cheek. I have heard tho' that with a hundred pounds or so in the trunk slippery weather performance with these or the 300d's is excellent. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
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Aaak. I'm not used to someone's sense of humor rivaling mine for dryness. Brian On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you're serious? Nope. Tongue planted firmly in cheek. I have heard tho' that with a hundred pounds or so in the trunk slippery weather performance with these or the 300d's is excellent. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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mhall27 wrote: 123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall Not to question the diesel doctor, but... I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126 chassis) with ASR and a hydraulicly activated LSD. Prolly a very rare option. Mike I can't find ANY documentation for an S class diesel (up thru 1989) with limited slip rear, but that doesn't mean that someone couldn't stick one in. There could have been '90 or later 126 (perhaps a 350SD/SDL) with ASD. Marshall -- I knew I shouldn't have questioned you, Marshall. Perhaps itÂ’s a 350 - Its got the later style leather seats, but for some reason I thought I was a 300. I'll check the next time its in. Mike
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I live in west-central Iowa. Most years (this one being very mild) that means up to your butt in snow, sub-zero temps, and on good days lots of ice. By mild I mean motorcycle weather in late February and early March. I have two 40 pound (I think) sandbags in my trunk, shoved as far forward as possible. Am running Goodyear Regatta 2 tires on all four rims. My 240D has an advantage in bad weather, because unless I bury the pedal, the car moves smoothly away from a stop without tire spin. Yea, I could bury the pedal and probably slip tires but why? I feel that a 240D with good tires was MADE for snow country. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Put a set of four Nokian snow tires on it and drop 2 or 3 40 lb sacks of kitty litter in the trunk, and you'll have a very hard time trying to get that thing to spin a wheel. The thing will just feel like you are driving on a dirt road. -Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four corners-walks through 4 or 5 of snow no problems and no slip on the take off. Stops well with the studs too. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions I live in west-central Iowa. Most years (this one being very mild) that means up to your butt in snow, sub-zero temps, and on good days lots of ice. By mild I mean motorcycle weather in late February and early March. I have two 40 pound (I think) sandbags in my trunk, shoved as far forward as possible. Am running Goodyear Regatta 2 tires on all four rims. My 240D has an advantage in bad weather, because unless I bury the pedal, the car moves smoothly away from a stop without tire spin. Yea, I could bury the pedal and probably slip tires but why? I feel that a 240D with good tires was MADE for snow country. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. 100-200 lbs in the trunk and well designed identical tires with tread remaining on all four corners manufactured in this CENTURY (aged tire compound often delivers VERY poor traction) are all necessary or highly desirable. A properly maintained 123 is capable of exceptional traction and handling even in poor conditions IF driven with even modest skill. Lots of practice in poor conditions with a front engined, rear driven wheeled cars is instructional. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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That's the thing right there in the last sentence...If you grew up driving rear wheel drive cars a 123 chasis MB is a BLAST to drive in the snow Just gotta laugh at the FWD cars as you barrel past them knowing that if the car gets a little sideways you can just let off a bit and straighten it out. Mike - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. 100-200 lbs in the trunk and well designed identical tires with tread remaining on all four corners manufactured in this CENTURY (aged tire compound often delivers VERY poor traction) are all necessary or highly desirable. A properly maintained 123 is capable of exceptional traction and handling even in poor conditions IF driven with even modest skill. Lots of practice in poor conditions with a front engined, rear driven wheeled cars is instructional. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four corners-walks through 4 or 5 of snow no problems and no slip on the take off. Stops well with the studs too. With studded snows on all four corners there is almost NOTHING except 12+ of unplowed, unpacked snow (the car will simply sit on top with the wheels dangling) that will stop MOST Mercedes. They will stop and steer pretty well too. While I've never found an anti-slip rear to be essential under bad conditions (I've never been stranded because I didn't have it), I'm told that the handling of '90s model 124s/140s with ASR is somewhat amazing on snow or ice! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 08 14:58:28 2006 Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.212]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FH07Q-0001hM-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:58:28 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id 20060308145823m92001b8vee; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:58:23 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:55:15 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:58:28 - Comparing a 30 year old auto design to a new one is analogous to the people who would condemn all Macs because they bought a new pc and it was way faster than their 6 or 7 year old mac with all kinds of junk on it and an overstuffed hard drive. Anyhow, I have always said I'd rather have a 20 year old MB than a new (fill in the blank) because it usually takes 20 years for the rest of the automotive world to catch up. A 123 TD should attain 80 and cruise there easily, even spotting the rice burner 25 years. One local Dodge dealer is advertising free powertrain warranty for life Now that got my attention... Do I hear a million miles? Maybe next year when the Cheep products are supposed to have an MB diesel in the engine lineup... Of course a million mile engine does little good when the body falls apart at 150k That was the downfall of the escort diesel. I firmly believe that was a million mile engine, but the body was not up to the task. At 04:11 AM 3/8/2006, you wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, BillR wrote: I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how about for fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative, compare an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head gaskets when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a cliff... (after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4) -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Yeah, I'd love to have a set of winter wheels with winter tires that I can pull off for the non-winter months. $$# Question: What will be the effects on the suspension (rear particularly) of putting a few hundred pounds in the trunk and driving around with it for 6 months at a time? I mean, it'll wear things out more quickly correct? Also: Has anyone seen in the movie Rocky IV when the Russian govt' picks up Rocky and his new trainer and his wife's brother at the airport and drives them out to his secluded training cabin? It's the dead of winter and they are driving and '80's S class? It's not a diesel, but it's like Jim's SD. Followed by I think. They have chains on it. Also the govt' guys chase Rocky as he runs through the snow (they are assigned to follow him) and they wind up losing it and jamming it between two snow banks. No point to make here, just enthusiast fodder. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put a set of four Nokian snow tires on it and drop 2 or 3 40 lb sacks of kitty litter in the trunk, and you'll have a very hard time trying to get that thing to spin a wheel. The thing will just feel like you are driving on a dirt road. -Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Yeah, I'd love to have a set of winter wheels with winter tires that I can pull off for the non-winter months. $$# Question: What will be the effects on the suspension (rear particularly) of putting a few hundred pounds in the trunk and driving around with it for 6 months at a time? I mean, it'll wear things out more quickly correct? Also: Has anyone seen in the movie Rocky IV when the Russian govt' picks up Rocky and his new trainer and his wife's brother at the airport and drives them out to his secluded training cabin? It's the dead of winter and they are driving and '80's S class? It's not a diesel, but it's like Jim's SD. Followed by I think. They have chains on it. Also the govt' guys chase Rocky as he runs through the snow (they are assigned to follow him) and they wind up losing it and jamming it between two snow banks. No point to make here, just enthusiast fodder. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. 100-200 lbs in the trunk and well designed identical tires with tread remaining on all four corners manufactured in this CENTURY (aged tire compound often delivers VERY poor traction) are all necessary or highly desirable. A properly maintained 123 is capable of exceptional traction and handling even in poor conditions IF driven with even modest skill. Lots of practice in poor conditions with a front engined, rear driven wheeled cars is instructional. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
