>By the way, back when I had a morning radio show I suggested someone
>make a "home smelter" so we could mold our excess plastic sort of like
>those toys where you squirt goo into a mold and bake a toy creature.
>
>David Brauer
>King Field - Ward 10
Actually, David, I think these plastic bags ar
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From: "Walt Cygan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Mpls] Open Season
> Chris Beckwith wrote: "...'suicide by cop'..."
> I still don't see where this kind of inflamed rhetoric gets us.
Chris respond
In order to keep this posting short I will address only two points raised by
Audrey Johnson:
In a message dated 3/11/2002 12:21:13 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> We continue to refine the best practices that
> will help us raise the achievement of those students who fa
Chris Beckwith wrote: "...'suicide by cop'..."
Zack (last name?) 8th ward (neighborhood?) wrote: "...open season..."
Earlier Andrea Jenkins wrote: "...terrorism..."
I still don't see where this kind of inflamed rhetoric gets us. There is
no "open season", there is not "terrorism", there is not "s
> Robinson Cook wrote:
> 5. This is the fourth fatal shooting of a mentally ill person in 2 years
by
> the MPLS Police. Only one had a gun (Toy).
> I believe at least one, if not two of them, was white meaning this could
> happen to anybody.
>
All too true - The last victim I recollect, from a
I've had a little time to mull this one over and I wanted to present my
perspective on Doug Grow's email demagoguery column.
It seems that Grow is saying that it's at least possible that in a democracy
a group of citizens can have too much sway over public policy. He says it's
because we're not r
Ye.
Andy Driscoll
Saint Paul
--
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of
strength, and bid defiance to the laws of the country."
--- Thomas Jefferson,1816
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The latest message sent to our community from our police department is that
they will not tolerate anyone not doing as they are told. Yes, the man had a
big knife. Yes, he was mental ill. But I have yet to hear that he attacked an
officer. All of the accounts that I have heard have said that he
I wasn't there. I didn't see what happened. I'm in no position to make any
kind of judgement if the police acted appropriately or not.
But I like to think I'm a rational human being.
Let's look at a couple of facts. You are a police officer. There is a person
with a knife standing about 20 feet a
Clark Griffin asked "where you would aim if you had a gun and a person
with a machete is coming at you?"
Is this a trick question? Is "shoulder" the right answer? (Easier to
hit than an arm, but less fatal than the chest. And it shows a desire
to try to spare life.)
I guess I would say: "Wh
I have good news and bad news in the House stadium bill.
The good news: The bill provides for statewide and local referenda to
approve the provisions for newspaper/magazine and food/liquor taxes,
respectively. At least this boondoggle will come to citizens for a vote.
The bad news: House Tax Cha
David sells himself short because he's pretty on-target here. Plastics were
and in many cases, still are uneconomical to recycle. Some of the technical
issues have been solved since recycling first started up and now the bigger
hurdle is demand. Somebody has to want the collected material in o
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On Tuesday 12 March 2002 05:45 pm, Victoria Heller wrote:
> property, your ideas, your identity - all of these things are your
> property and are protected by the 5th Amendment of our Constitution.
Ms. Heller, I'm not sure which Constitution you're r
Pam:
They have the described bin at Riverside Market at Riverside and
Franklin. I'm not sure what happens to the bags, but I feel like I'm
being earth-friendly when I drop mine off!
Cara Letofsky
Seward
Constance Nompelis wrote:
>I lived for two years in Dakota County, and recall
>that the
For the newer list members:
An additional piece of advice on being a listmember: use the delete
button often! Don't feel you need to read everything. It will make
your stay on the list much more enjoyable...
Cara Letofsky
Seward
List Manager wrote:
>Here are a few tips to make the list mo
What we have in the Minneapolis park system is not so much a system that
will find our next Olympian, but one that offers the broadest opportunities
for youth to develop sports skills limited to achieving recreational level
skills at best.
I have coached youth baseball for the past six years, a
In a message dated 3/12/02 1:46:25 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re: [Mpls] Homeless during the day - the rest of the story
Date: 3/12/02 1:46:25 PM Central Standard Time
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"Jenkins, Andrea D" wrote:
> I'm sure that mentally ill people walk around all kinds of communities
> creating distrubances and interrupting what might otherwise be a rountine
> day for many officers. Those people are arrested, or better yet returned
> home to families or transported to the hospi
Terrorism as defined by Webster's II New Riverside dictionary. "The
polictical use of violence or intimidation.--ter'ror.ist.noun -
ter'ror.is'tic,adj.
Terrorize-"To fill with great fear:terrify 2.To control and dominate by
intimidation or violence".
The un-necessary use of violence in this parti
I lived for two years in Dakota County, and recall
that the Cub foods in Apple Valley and South St. Paul
both had bins for "returning" plastic bags. The bags
could be from anywhere.
I have looked for those bins at Minneapolis Cubs and
couldn't locate any. I don't know if it's a suburban
thing
..will be answering questions and visiting with people who attend the
Minneapolis Property Rights meeting in the Eagles Club back room - 25th
Avenue and 25th Street in the Seaward neighborhood.
Everyone is welcome. And remember that property includes more than real
estate. Your money is you
Pam, I only have ancient history, back in my Twin Cities Reader
reporting days.
Then - and I believe, now - plastic was uneconomical to recycle. The
city couldn't sell it for what it cost to collect, unlike other
materials. Plastic has all kind of gnarly factors that prevent it from
being a good
Jon Gorder asks, of the forum:
> Does just
any old bleat or rant with some connection to city affairs qualify or
are
there some guidelines?
What qualifies as a bleat and rant is the subject of some debate, but
generally the answer is yes, with a couple of exceptions. We ask that
the issues be
I need a change of subject from the police--
It has appeared for some time that there is a growing trend by retail sites which has
increased the use of plastic bags from the long time favorite - paper. The paper
ones are recyclable but plastic is not at this time. Since I don't have a dog, I
do
I just joined this forum yesterday ( yep,Doug Grow) and I'm curious if
there is a precise definition as to what's supposed to go on here. Does just
any old bleat or rant with some connection to city affairs qualify or are
there some guidelines?
Has there been a concious effort to get ce
M Smith wrote:
"If we (people of color) "played the race card"
every time we had be violated, there would be
someone talking every second of the day."
That's my point exactly Mattheas. Someone, somewhere
is playing racial politics with almost every incident
concerning racial minorities. I'm not
Imagine that you are standing twenty feet from a man who is holding a
machete and a crow bar. He is looking at you and is angry and starts
toward you. You have a pistol. If you shoot at his legs and miss the
bone, he keeps coming. If you shoot at his waving arms and miss a bone,
he keeps coming. T
A few points. Mr. Swift's belief that we are "well past" the point where
"racist attitudes have precluded some racial minorities from receiving fair
and just treatment from the cops and society in general" is really only
worth the words he strung together if he happens to be a member of one of
sa
1. 16 times is to many times to shoot a person that bangs on a cop car . A
car is not an extension of the body.
2. A precedence has been set on disarming individuals without deadly force.
Last year, we saw the St. Paul Police actually disable a man with a gun
using riot gear and some kind of sa
>-Original Message-
>From: Mark Wilde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:49 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: mpls issues list
>
>
>you want the police to wait to shoot until the
>criminal has actually hurt someone, not just walking
>around the streets with a
MINNEAPOLIS RANKED FIFTH CLEANEST CITY IN THE WORLD
Minneapolis (March 12, 2002) According to the 2001 Mercer Survey of more
than 200 of the world's major cities, Minneapolis tied with Ottawa, Canada
for the fifth cleanest city in the world. William Mercer, an international
human resources consu
It is interesting to notice that the Sierra Club has put up an 'Action
Alert' webpage in support of Camp Coldwater Springs in Minneapolis. Below is
the some of the text from that webpage. - Dave Stack, Harrison
>From webpage:
http://northstar.
Lynne says:
"How about liberated zones wherein block clubs pay
residents $10 hour to walk the streets in pairs for
1>3 hour shifts. Anyone who wants to walk can. They
just get to know the community, talk with people.
Everyone will get to know everyone better, low income
people will have a way
--- Thomas Swift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Garwood, Robin" wrote:
>
> I believe that we are well past that point, and
> if
> race continues to be played for obvious
> political
> advantage in every issue in which a racial
> minority is
> involved social justice will inevitably take a
> step
Here are a few tips to make the list more enjoyable (or less
frustrating).
1. Please read the rules at http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls This will
save us both work down the road.
2. Please remember to sign your posts with first and last name, and
neighborhood (or city if outside of Minneapolis, o
Dennis Schapiro wrote:
>And if anyone would like to take a larger context, I suggest that we as
>a city make a commitment that every child has significant opportunities
>for sports, arts and service. (Admittedly short on specifics, but
>perhaps a discussion starter.)
>
>Any takers?
>
>I'll bite,
WHAT: Minneapolis Redistricting Commission Special Meeting on
Diversity Issues
WHEN: 6 p.m., Thursday, March 14, 2002
WHERE: City Council Chamber (Room 317)
Minneapolis City Hall, 350 South 5th Street
(Plea
Allysen Hoberg writes:
"St. Stephen's Catholic Church, Simpson Methodist Church, and Love
Power Church have been attempting to open a shelter on the West Bank
for approx. two years. There have been numerous public hearings
and at least one article written in both the Star and Tribune
Many thanks to all who inquired.
The pub is on University Avenue across the street form Surdyks Liquor Store.
Craig Miller
Former Fultonite
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"Garwood, Robin" wrote:
"..could it possibly be that members and leaders ot
the
Somali community are of the understandable opinion
that Mr. Jeilani's life would not have been ended
by the MPD had he not been black? Could they
even--heaven forbid--be right?"
Well if they had not come to their o
Hey Everyone--I just talked with Julie at the YCB, and she is more than happy to get anyone who wants a copy of what is happening a copy. So, please feel free to call her at 612-673-2060. There is currently not a link. She can fax etc.
Also, the next YCB meeting is April 3rd, at noon. It is he
"Current training calls for you to continue shooting until the suspect stops."
That's exactly our problem. "Leadership" considers it OK for police to be trained
that way, and the rest of the population is generally disinterested in doing anything
about it.
There are more options for an office
Dave Piehl wrote:
"The real question, though, is why this gentleman, who apparently sought
treatment in January after hearing voices in his head, was not treated for
his mental condition."
I agree that this is a real and valid question, but it is not the only
question we must answer. We must al
For those of us who obviously missed something can you post the location?
And how does it stack up against some local favorites such as Kierans?
Erin Go Bragh!
Jonathan Palmer
(Family name Kimbriel, currently determining the County)
Stevens Square-Loring Heights
At 08:00 AM 3/12/02 -0600, List Manager wrote:
>The update from across the border, in case you don't see the Pioneer
>Press:
>
>http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/2839864.htm
>
>David Brauer
>List manager
It sounds like he went to HCMC in Crisis Intervention in late January, then
was tran
The Minneapolis Youth Coordinating Board (YCB) is pleased with the current
community response and excited about moving forward with its Youth Sports
Recommendations.
At the March YCB meeting, Dr. McKinley Boston presented his youth sports
recommendations. Hennepin County Commissioner Peter McLaug
As a low income person, I am always stunned by the
amount of money we throw at problems. When we
"redistribute" the wealth, I see lots of middle class
professionals and sometimes union members getting
good salaries; but I see no difference made in the
fundamental problems.
LRT and about a bil
Hello, all:
At the risk of taking the discussion beyond
Minneapolis, I thought I'd share a few links
discussing how law enforcement should and has
approached the issue of dealing with persons with
mental illness in crisis situations.
First, here's a chapter of a report from Amnesty
Internation
How about liberated zones wherein block clubs pay
residents $10 hour to walk the streets in pairs for
1>3 hour shifts. Anyone who wants to walk can. They
just get to know the community, talk with people.
Everyone will get to know everyone better, low income
people will have a way to supplement
Commissioners present: Trostel, Claypatch, Ferrara,
Markus, Pettiford, Schwarzkopf, Stafford.
Commissioners absent: Collier, Finch.
Meeting was called to order. After roll was taken the
agenda and minutes from the previous meeting were
approved.
There will be a special meeting of the Redistricti
I think the message that has gotten through on this List loud and clear is that,
whatever one thinks of police tactics, we do not feel safer when a man wielding a
machete is shot to death for our "protection." And while that message is encouraging,
I am concerned about yet another rally and mar
Greetings!
Thanks to Annie Young for the information on the joint meeting of the School and Park
Boards. Also thanks to the people that responded to my original post.
Here are my continuing thoughts:
1. Is it possible to get a link or an electronic copy of Mac Boston's report? Ms.
Boland
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I thoroughly believe it is next to impossible to acheive a successful
wounding (limb) shot with a pistol.
I also believe it is quite easy to acheive this shot with a 12-gauge shotgun
filled with #2 rubber coated buckshot. Simply aim below the knees. I cannot
co
In the wake of yet another killing by
Minneapolis Police, there is a lot of discussion of
independent investigations by boards not connected to
the police. Last year during the city elections, I
suggested replacing the civilian review board with an
elected commission on police accountability
> Statement by the Somali Justice Advocacy Center:
> When Abu Kassim Jeilani was killed by Minneapolis Police Officers on
> Sunday, March 10th, he left behind a grieving wife and two children.
> The sixteen bullets also stole his life from his community that has
> struggled so hard to make a lif
I want to agree with the overwhelming sentiment expressed here that
something wrong was done here. In spite of the fact that officers
trained in dealing with the mentally ill were on the scene, deadly force
was used in a way that shames us as citizens of this city. Seventeen
shots fired? At a m
First of all, let me sign this in advance so I don't forget again,
Robert Schmid
Central
Michael Atherton wrote:
> street violence or violence in general. I mean how else can someone
> believe that you can take away a machete from someone
> without suffering an injury?
>
It's not my intention
Much has been written about whether or not the police acted prudently in
their lethal response to a mentally ill person waving a weapon.
Let's not forget that being mentally ill does not reduce the threat to the
people around the individual wielding the weapon, rather, it increases the
threat no
Hello All--
I wanted to say a couple of things to follow up with the Youth Sports Posts. And also, thanks for Dennis for a great summary.
I also want to clarify that these are my opinions, not that of my official working with Hennepin County and the Youth Coordinating Board.
I think it is fantas
On Minnesota Politics Discuss, Duke Powell wrote: "The Senate bill has various "user
fees" as part of the package. Many of these fees (and I think there are about a dozen)
include car rental surcharges and an increase in hotel, restaurant and liquor taxes.
In my opinion these are tax increases
Title: Re: [Mpls] Homeless during the day
Can someone on the list tell me when the next CARAG meeting is?, and who the president is?
-- Kim Bartmann
810 West lake Street
Minneapolis, MN 55408
612.825.3737
http://www.bryantlakebowl.com
Allysen the Shelter Director wrote in response to Barb
Lickness...
"St. Stephen's Catholic Church, Simpson Methodist
Church, and Love Power Church have been attempting to
open a shelter on the West Bank for approx. two years.
There have been numerous public hearings and at least
one article writ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Before you respond with a "knee jerk" retort, please remember that she did not have
>mace, tasers, leaded batons (ever been exposed to hand to hand combat? do you know
>how easy it is to dis-arm a person with a simple lead filled baton?).
>
> A number of officers arme
I was the originator of the "Homeless During the
Day" post. I was asking specifically if there were any shelters near or in
the downtown area open during the day (similar to the wonderful
Dorothy Day Center over in St. Paul.)
It seems as though most people thought the
daytime shelter for
List Members:
>
> I have practiced with a handgun similar to that used
> by law enforcement
> and I found it terribly difficult to hit bullseye
> with any regularity in a
> controlled environment with a completely stationary
> target, even at a
> fairly close range. Under circumstances involvi
List Members:
>
> I have practiced with a handgun similar to that used
> by law enforcement
> and I found it terribly difficult to hit bullseye
> with any regularity in a
> controlled environment with a completely stationary
> target, even at a
> fairly close range. Under circumstances involvi
The update from across the border, in case you don't see the Pioneer
Press:
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/2839864.htm
David Brauer
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First let me say that my heart goes out to the family and friends of Abu
Kassim Jeilani. No matter what he may have done or not done, his shooting
is incredibly tragic. I am also aware of and sorry for the way the US has
treated its Somali resident
Myself and a friend went to Keegan's this
evening. The Guiness was frothy. The Irish whiskey selection was
diverse.
The crowd was had plenty of bonifide micks.
The owner was tense but happy to be open. The scene was perfect. The only
short note was managements non-cigar stand. The Ameri
I recieved the following early this morning. I
thought folks on the list would want to be aware of
this event.
David Strand
Loring Park
March for Justice for Abu Kassim Jeilani
Prosecute the Police/Remove the Police Chief!!!
Rally and March
Saturday, March 23rd
1:00 pm
Rally at the Cor
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