Re: Move deleted messages to trash

2002-02-01 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park
--DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! David T-G spake thus: % I haven't tested it with these macros, but when I save a message to the % same folder it's in, it deletes the original message

Re: Move deleted messages to trash

2002-02-01 Thread David T-G
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % % I haven't tested it with these macros, but when I save a message to the % % same folder it's in, it deletes the original message and appends the % % message to the mailbox (so it immediately appears in the index). Nothing

Re: Exporting a message?

2002-02-01 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Jan 31, Michael Elkins [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Philip Mak wrote: I don't suppose there's a command like pipe-message, except that it filters headers (the header filtering code is already available in the pager, after all)? Or would I have to write an external header filtering

Viewing tared attachments

2002-02-01 Thread Christoph Kampe
Hy, sorry for the OT question, but it depens on my lazyness and the daily usability of mutt. Periodical i get an automatic generated mail with an attachment with tar-gz'ed ascii files, logs and configs. With the entry in the mailcap configuration for application/x-gzip i use zless to view them

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Mike Schiraldi
presumably the private key should be 0600, and maybe the directory 0700? The directory should be 0700 -- did you use the script's init command, or make the directories yourself? If you used init and it's not 0700, let me know. Just to be safe, i just sent Thomas a patch which sets umask 077

mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Ken Weingold
Is there some weirdness that may happen with mutt run from my home dir which is NFS mounted? Not sure what the correlation would be, but I find that after I have been in a mailbox, once in another, sometimes mutt will tell me there is new mail in tha tmailbox, but going there, there is no new

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
Mike Schiraldi wrote: presumably the private key should be 0600, and maybe the directory 0700? The directory should be 0700 -- did you use the script's init command, or make the directories yourself? If you used init and it's not 0700, let me know. yeah i created the directory by hand.

Folder Hook malfunction

2002-02-01 Thread Michael Montagne
I recently upgraded to 1.3.27i. To do so I found a .deb package compiled at http://friry.nom.fr/gnu/mutt/index.html . That had all the patches in in. I was mainly interested in the trash patch. I realize that it comes with no guarantees but No any folder hook with an explicit folder

[feature requests] bcc and sent mailbox

2002-02-01 Thread William Wu
Hello, First thank for your work, mutt is great. sometimes, I send some mails with bcc field filled, but in the sent mailbox the recipients are not showed, it would be usefull (for the sender) to know the mail have been sent. In my sent mailbox, it appears that the mail has been sent to

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Volker Moell
Mike Schiraldi wrote: [...] Just a question: Is it really necessary to attach at each message the smime.p7s file (your signature or so)? It has always about the 10th size of your underlying posting, so it increases the size of your posting way much. What is it for at all? Why is this (I think)

Re: [feature requests] bcc and sent mailbox

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
William Wu wrote: sometimes, I send some mails with bcc field filled, but in the sent mailbox the recipients are not showed, that's why it's called Bcc (blind carbon copy) it would be usefull (for the sender) to know the mail have been sent. In my sent mailbox, it appears that the

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Feb 01, Volker Moell [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Mike Schiraldi wrote: [...] Just a question: Is it really necessary to attach at each message the smime.p7s file (your signature or so)? It has always about the 10th size of your underlying posting, so it increases the size of your

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Michael Tatge
Ken Weingold muttered: Is there some weirdness that may happen with mutt run from my home dir which is NFS mounted? Since NFS's locking mechanism is broken, I would recommend using Maildir. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key

Re: [feature requests] bcc and sent mailbox

2002-02-01 Thread David Champion
On 2002.02.01, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Wu wrote: sometimes, I send some mails with bcc field filled, but in the sent mailbox the recipients are not showed, that's why it's called Bcc (blind carbon copy) This sort of dodges one

Re: [feature requests] bcc and sent mailbox

2002-02-01 Thread David T-G
William -- ...and then William Wu said... % % Hello, Hello! % % First thank for your work, mutt is great. I think so, too! % % sometimes, I send some mails with bcc field filled, but in the sent % mailbox the recipients are not showed, it would be usefull (for the % sender) to know

Re: [feature requests] bcc and sent mailbox

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
David Champion wrote: This sort of dodges one solution, though, which is to retain the bcc: header on locally-filed copies (while leaving it out of those pumped into the MTA). I actually prefer this approach, having gotten used to it on some other mailer I used to use. Mutt can do it,

Re: [feature requests] bcc and sent mailbox

2002-02-01 Thread Michael Elkins
David Champion wrote: Mutt can do it, too: set write_bcc in your .muttrc. But note that this makes mutt send the Bcc: header to your MTA, too. If your MTA filters it out, that's ok, but if it does not, you might want to wrap your MTA in a script or just avoid this setting. formail (from the

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
Michael Tatge wrote: Ken Weingold muttered: Is there some weirdness that may happen with mutt run from my home dir which is NFS mounted? Since NFS's locking mechanism is broken, I would recommend using Maildir. i think he meant that mutt itself is mounted on the NFS share. i wouldn't

Re: coloring ~N by way of external file query?

2002-02-01 Thread Carl B. Constantine
* Brian Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Brian Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Feb 01. 2002 00:33]: $ cat dynacolor.sh #!/bin/sh awk '{printf(color index yellow default \~f %s ~N\\n, $1);}' addrs.txt By the way, if anyone else wants to do this and the lines in addrs.txt have spaces,

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Mike Schiraldi
Mike and I were discussing this in private mail earlier this week... I'm sure he'll have his own things to add, but after talking with him this is my take on it: That was a pretty good summary. If anyone wants to know more, feel free to ask me off-list. To me the ideal solution to the

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Ken Weingold
On Fri, Feb 1, 2002, Will Yardley wrote: Since NFS's locking mechanism is broken, I would recommend using Maildir. i think he meant that mutt itself is mounted on the NFS share. i wouldn't do this unless i had to, and i can imagine it might cause some problems, but shouldn't be a big

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Feb 01, Mike Schiraldi [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: To me the ideal solution to the bandwidth issue would be a system that allowed you to send the whole key with the sig to certain people, and let people request it from key servers in other cases (mailing lists). I could attach just a

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread David T-G
Will, et al -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % % Michael Tatge wrote: % Ken Weingold muttered: % % Is there some weirdness that may happen with mutt run from my home % dir which is NFS mounted? % % Since NFS's locking mechanism is broken, I would recommend using % Maildir. % % i

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Mike Schiraldi
It would only work among mailers that knew how to use it, but many people that know enough to care about this are going to be using a decent mailer. Part of the problem with PGP is that only people that know enough to care use it. My goal is to be able to communicate securely and privately

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread David T-G
Ken -- ...and then Ken Weingold said... % % On Fri, Feb 1, 2002, Will Yardley wrote: % Since NFS's locking mechanism is broken, I would recommend using % Maildir. ... % % Well here's the deal. /home is NFS-mounted. My spool folder is in % /var/spool/mail. My other mail folders are in

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Ken Weingold
On Fri, Feb 1, 2002, David T-G wrote: Can you clarify what sort of funkiness is going on? Is it just 'N'ew folder flagging? Does it resolve itself within a second or two? Are your client and server clocks in sync? Have you used ls to check the atime and mtime of a suspicious folder?

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Mike Schiraldi
Really it's only sometimes, and seems to be the last folder I was in, or at least the last one modified. After changing folders, it will tell me a few times that there is new mail in that folder, but when I change to it, there is no new mail. And nothing in my procmail log. Seems to go

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Feb 01, Mike Schiraldi [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: It would only work among mailers that knew how to use it, but many people that know enough to care about this are going to be using a decent mailer. Part of the problem with PGP is that only people that know enough to care use it. My

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
Jeremy Blosser wrote: On Feb 01, Mike Schiraldi [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Part of the problem with PGP is that only people that know enough to care use it. My goal is to be able to communicate securely and privately with everyone -- even Outlook and Netscape users. The people you are

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Thomas Roessler
On 2002-02-01 14:32:20 -0500, Mike Schiraldi wrote: I could attach just a signature and leave out the certs when sending to certain mailing lists (using a hook to change smime_sign_command to toggle OpenSSL's --nocerts switch). However, this only decreases the smime.p7s size (after base64

Re: Folder Hook malfunction

2002-02-01 Thread Michael Montagne
On 01/02/02, from the brain of Michael Montagne tumbled: I recently upgraded to 1.3.27i. To do so I found a .deb package compiled at http://friry.nom.fr/gnu/mutt/index.html . That had all the patches in in. I was mainly interested in the trash patch. I realize that it comes with no

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Mike Schiraldi
The people you are likely to coorespond with that wouldn't be able to take advantage of it would also likely not need to, either because they didn't know enough to care. [...] Thus you could continue to communicate with all people the way you want, without imposing unneccessary expectations

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
Thomas Roessler wrote: I'm right now trying this: send-hook ~A set smime_sign_command=\openssl smime -sign -signer %c -inkey %k -passin stdin -in %f -certfile %i -outform DER\ send-hook ~l set smime_sign_command=\openssl smime -sign -signer %c -inkey

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Feb 01, Will Yardley [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: yeah i think the issue is not so much of technical sophistication (although that's an issue too) as of the fact that most people Don't Care. 99% of the people i correspond with simply don't care, so i generally don't bother to encrypt or

OT: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Mike Schiraldi
99% of the people i correspond with simply don't care, so i generally don't bother to encrypt or sign my communications with them. 99% of the people don't care about good passwords, but we still force them to pick good ones. 99% of the people don't care about secure http, but amazon.com still

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Feb 01, Mike Schiraldi [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: [2] I guess this is where we disagree - you seem to think that there is little overlap between the set of people who care about email security and the set of people who good mailers .. i think there is a lot. No, I think that the

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
Jeremy Blosser wrote: Neither of these are necessarily true. HTTPS is a good example. Most ebay and amazon users have no idea of any of the technical issues involved with using SSL, but because they use it anyway, their communication is more secure than it would be without it. And

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Stephan Seitz
Hi! On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 03:36:13PM -0600, Jeremy Blosser wrote Neither of these are necessarily true. HTTPS is a good example. Most ebay and amazon users have no idea of any of the technical issues involved with using SSL, but because they use it anyway, their communication is more

problems with text wrappin?

2002-02-01 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone. Prompted by a really dumb argument on another list I sent myself a mail from Outhouse with the text/plain settings set to wrap at 72chars Problem is, /I'm/ getting it like it's not wrapped at all? What gives? - -- Nick Wilson Tel:

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 01/02/02 Ken Weingold did speaketh: Is there some weirdness that may happen with mutt run from my home dir which is NFS mounted? Not sure what the correlation would be, but I find that after I have been in a mailbox, once in another, sometimes mutt will tell me there is new mail in tha

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Feb 02, Stephan Seitz [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 03:36:13PM -0600, Jeremy Blosser wrote Neither of these are necessarily true. HTTPS is a good example. Most ebay and amazon users have no idea of any of the technical issues involved with using SSL, but because

Re: s/mime questions

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
Jeremy Blosser wrote: a) live in a world where no one has locks on their doors, except for the very few people that know how to build their own lock from scratch and check it every morning for any scratches to indicate someone tried to break in, and the robbers just skip those and go rob

replying to more than 1 message at a time

2002-02-01 Thread Prahlad Vaidyanathan
Hi, Was looking for some way by which I could tag a bunch of messages, and reply to all of them in one edit window. ie. 'tag-prefixreply' should run vim with all the tagged messages quoted one after another. Currently, I do this : - 'r'eply to one message - save the quoted text in a temp file

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Ken Weingold
This is really irritating. I am currently in a loop between two mailboxes. Change to one. Status bar says there is new mail in a folder. Change to it. No new mail. Status bar says there is new mail in a folder. Change to that. No new mail. And again and again. So mutt might not actually

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread MuttER
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:26:22PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: This is really irritating. I am currently in a loop between two mailboxes. Change to one. Status bar says there is new mail in a folder. Change to it. No new mail. Status bar says there is new mail in a folder. Change to

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Ken Weingold
On Fri, Feb 1, 2002, MuttER wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:26:22PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: This is really irritating. I am currently in a loop between two mailboxes. Change to one. Status bar says there is new mail in a folder. Change to it. No new mail. Status bar says there

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread MuttER
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:39:06PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2002, MuttER wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:26:22PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: This is really irritating. I am currently in a loop between two mailboxes. Change to one. Status bar says there is new mail

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Knute
On Fri, 01 Feb 2002, MuttER wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:39:06PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2002, MuttER wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:26:22PM -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: This is really irritating. I am currently in a loop between two mailboxes. Change to

Re: problems with text wrappin?

2002-02-01 Thread Knute
On Sat, 02 Feb 2002, Nick Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone. Prompted by a really dumb argument on another list I sent myself a mail from Outhouse with the text/plain settings set to wrap at 72chars Problem is, /I'm/ getting it like it's not wrapped

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Will Yardley
Knute wrote: Don't know about that, but I do have an idea. Do you know if the box in Portland is using GMT or not? If it is, then you can set yours to GMT as well, then they should be in sync. Either that or have mutt change the TZ variable to West Coast time i think both computers think

Re: mutt and NFS

2002-02-01 Thread Ken Weingold
On Fri, Feb 1, 2002, Knute wrote: Don't know about that, but I do have an idea. Do you know if the box in Portland is using GMT or not? I don't. What will tell me that? 'date' says PST. If it is, then you can set yours to GMT as well, then they should be in sync. Either that or have

Re: Folder Hook malfunction

2002-02-01 Thread Benjamin Smith
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 01:12:53PM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: Now it appears that it's the listing of multiple files that doesn't work: folder-hook . push T'~d2w !~F'enterD'~T'enter WORKS folder-hook . !mjmsave !rath push T'~d2w !~F'enterD'~T'enter DOES NOT WORK folder-hook uses a re