SV: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Hi tom, I can agree with you that if SNOMED CT was created when all patients in the world already had all information in their health record recorded using cleverly built and structured information models (like archetypes, templates and similar), but that is not the case. Instead SNOMED CT also

SV: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

successful, to try to engage on exactly that point. I'm not aware of any work going on. I'd be very pleased to get involved if I could. It's a fiendish problem and we need cooperation and collaboration from both sides of the fence. Regards Heather From: openEHR-technical ma

SV: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

a standalone proposition. - thomas On 21/03/2018 13:48, Mikael Nyström wrote: Hi Philippe, I think that you have missed that SNOMED CT is created for multiple use cases. Your use case that you describe as "a modern approach" is a good use case that I like. In that use case S

SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

d. Regards Mikael -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] För Philippe Ameline Skickat: den 15 mars 2018 16:18 Till: openehr-technical@lists.openehr.org Ämne: Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again Le 15/03/2

RE: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Of Pablo Pazos Sent: den 14 mars 2018 23:58 To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: RE: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again But ICD is a statistical not a clinical tool. On Mar 14, 2018 7:10 PM, "Mikael Nyström" mailto:mikael.nyst...@liu.se>> wrote: Hi, Of cause i

RE: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Hi Philippe It seems like you are making a big deal of that SNOMED CT is an ancient product, but I would like to see your explicit arguments about that instead of only negative generalizations. From my point of view it is quite modern with an OWL based ontology with additional features for term

RE: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Hi Philippe, If you only would like to use some of the basic concepts as building blocks in post-coordinated expressions using for example the SNOMED CT Compositional Grammar Specification and Guide (http://snomed.org/scg) and skip the more complex/combined concepts you are more than welcome to

RE: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Hi Pablo, I totally agree with you. Regards Mikael From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Pablo Pazos Sent: den 13 mars 2018 19:01 To: For openEHR clinical discussions Cc: For openEHR tech

RE: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Hi Tom, I don’t see that your “first killer move” by separating SNOMED CT technology from content would make that much sense. The specification and technology you are describing in quite many sentences in your e-mail seems to be quite much like the EN 14463 Classification Markup Language (ClaML

RE: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Hi, Of cause it is possible to create something that is easier to use. ICD-10 is a good example of something that have similarities with SNOMED CT and is both (for some use cases) easier to implement and more widespread. But I if you want something that is based on logic, because you want to us

SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

Hi, Have anybody ever heard about a health-it-project that hadn't a smaller or larger group of sceptic people that try to build momentum against the project? :-) For SNOMED CT the trend at least seems to be that fewer and fewer people belongs to the sceptic group, and about half of the Europe

SV: Terminology bindings ... again

The scope of LOINC is NOT the same as the scope of SNOMED. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl<mailto:gf...@luna.nl> Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:39, Mikael Nyström mailto:mikael.nyst...@liu.se>> wrote: Hi, I do that too. It see

SV: Terminology bindings ... again

ected. I'm seeing a convergence in terms of clinical terminology towards SNOMED CT. On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Mikael Nyström mailto:mikael.nyst...@liu.se>> wrote: Hi, Yes, it is correct that expressions include single code binding. Those kinds of bindings are just the simp

SV: Terminology bindings ... again

Hi, Yes, it is correct that expressions include single code binding. Those kinds of bindings are just the simplest variants of expressions. :-) I think that in a few years’ time nearly all implementations of SNOMED CT not only implement the international version, but also one are a few internat

SV: SV: More generic reference model

Hi, A related activity that might be useful to know is the "RFP for LOINC - SNOMED CT Cooperation Project". http://www.ihtsdo.org/news-articles/rfp-for-loinc--snomed-ct-cooperation-project . Regards Mikael Från: openEHR-technical [mail

SV: More generic reference model

Hi, My more recent impressions from inside the SNOMED CT community are not entirely in line with Tom's impression below. The people that believe that SNOMED CT is on its own are nowadays quite few. My impression is that most people understand that SNOMED CT needs to be implemented using po

RE: SNOMED

'avoid the Qualifiers hierarchy'? The record hierarchy just doesn't belong in SNOMED CT. IAO / OBI maybe. I would have much less of a problem if the 'use status' of these hierarchies was clearer, but as far as I can see, it is not - there is no lifecycle state (oth

RE: SNOMED

Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL On 29 April 2016 at 21:20, Mikael Nyström mailto:mikael.nyst...@liu.se>> wrote: Hi Tom, Most of the concepts in the situation hierarchy had probably been added because they have been useful in EHR systems without advanced information models an

RE: SNOMED

er... none of these would be usefully computable as far as I can see, since they are not connected to meaningful parents. Then we have 'Record artifact', also informational in nature, and specifying an ad hoc set of headings. I can't see what use this is. - thomas On 29/04/201

RE: SNOMED

Hi, I can just add that those entities Tom mentions below as "The waters are muddied further by the attempts to represent informational, timing and context-related entities in SNOMED CT." Are the clearly separated sub-hierarchy called "Situation with explicit context" (http://browser.ihtsdoto

SV: Any work on PHR?

Hi Koray, We are involved in a project where we are going to integrate information from sensors, EHR and PHR and we will use openEHR (and SNOMED CT) for parts of the project. Some information can be found at the project website http://ecareathome.se/ . Regards

RE: Archetype relational mapping - a practical openEHR persistence solution

Hi Birger, It might be this paper you are thinking of. Freire S, Sundvall E, Karlsson D, Lambrix P. Performance of XML Databases for Epidemiological Queries in Archetype-Based EHRs. Scandinavian Conference on Health Informatics 2012; October 2-3; Linköping; Sweden. P 51-57. Linköping Electroni

RE: Archetype publication question - implications for implementers

Hi Ian, I should probably clarify that the versioning mechanism in SNOMED CT is more than a technical thing. The versioning mechanism also includes guidelines about how to handle the changes in the receiving system. However, the guidelines are distributes in a form that is machine (and human) r

SV: Archetype publication question - implications for implementers

Hi all, As long as someone in the world performs medical research, our knowledge about medicine will increase and change. This imply that changes in our information models and ontologies due to new knowledge (and pervious errors) are something constant and something every implementer needs to p

SV: openEHR and IHTSDO (SNOMED CT)

), College of Nursing, University of Colorado Denver, USA Editor-in-Chief, Informatics for Health and Social Care   -Original Message- From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Mikael Nyström Sent: 27 September 2015 17:08 To: For openEHR clinica

RE: openEHR and IHTSDO (SNOMED CT)

ng has now been converted to using IHTSDO concept referencing URIs for example. - thomas On 25/09/2015 18:26, Mikael Nyström wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if there are any current collaborations or collaboration > plans between openEHR Foundation and IHTSDO (which is the organisation > tha

openEHR and IHTSDO (SNOMED CT)

Hi, I wonder if there are any current collaborations or collaboration plans between openEHR Foundation and IHTSDO (which is the organisation that owns and maintains SNOMED CT.) Regards Mikael ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR

[openEHR-announce] roadmap 2014 meeting streaming

Hi Tom, It sounds that HL7 Brazil uses Adobe Connect, http://www.adobe.com/products/adobeconnect.html . It is at least the software the universities in Sweden uses for online meetings and some online teaching and I think that it works quite well. Regards

New ADL/AOM proposals to solve some old problems

Hi Tom, That sounds really nice. Regards Mikael From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Beale Sent: den 29 april 2013 12:33 To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re:

New ADL/AOM proposals to solve some old problems

Hi Tom, Is the intention that the new data type TERMINOLOGY_CODE also can contain a post-coordinated code so it, for example, can contain a expression in SNOMED CT compositional grammar? (See www.snomed.org/tig?t=rfg_expression_scg for more detai

Erik Sundvall's PhD Defence - Online Edition

Dear all, The defense is available at http://youtu.be/0lpHFG3Dhts . Dipak Kalra was not present at the defense in Link?ping in person due to flight cancellations, so he did his part remote from Amsterdam. Erik passed the defense and there is no only paperwork left before he receives his Ph D

Did anybody implement AQL with a LL parser framework?

Hi, I used the standard approach for rewriting left recursion to non left recursion described in computer grammar books (and in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_recursion). It was a quite straight forward translation, but it was necessary to be careful with all the details. :-) We

constraint binding error

Hi Thomas, I would disagree that the version of ICD-10 is "10". Even terminology systems like ICD-10 are revised (for example in Sweden once a year) and released in different releases. I therefore think that is fair to handle ICD-9 and ICD-10 as different systems in the same way as SNOMED RT an

openEHR and iPhone/iPad anyone?

Hello, It is two separate projects. The project I describe is a research and education project performed by Erik Sundvall, Martin Eneling, Marie Sandstr?m, Rong Chen, H?kan ?rman, Daniel Karlsson and myself at Department of Biomedical Engineering at Link?ping University in Sweden. Erik will probab

openEHR and iPhone/iPad anyone?

Hello, It is correct that we in Link?ping currently work on an implementation of openEHR using the REST approach. The implementation will be open source when the implementation is ready. (In fact Erik and Marie are currently discussing the latest commit to the project just outside my office door!)

IHTSDO meeting - term binding presentation available

Hi All, As written below most of IHTSDO:s activities are currently performed inside IHTSDO:s "Collaborative space" (also known as "Basecamp"). This Collaborative space is a legacy system from before IHTSDO acquired SNOMED?CT and probably not the best system due to the current needs, but the system

IHTSDO meeting - term binding presentation available

Hi, I can add that the workflows are possible to customize, so it is up to each user (or the organization the user works for) to create and/or select the workflows to use. Greetings, Mikael -Original Message- From: openehr-technical-boun...@chime.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:openeh

SNOMED CT RF2 & ref sets - UML and meta-data diagrams

Hi Thomas, Since January 2010 is the status ?Limited? is handled as an inactive value. (See SNOMED CT Technical Reference Guide Appendix B.) Greetings, Mikael From: openehr-technical-boun...@chime.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:openehr-te

Term bindings in archetypes and templates

Hi Michael, I agree that post-coordination is useful when mapping to SNOMED?CT and it works well in many cases. However, to be able to create post-coordinated concepts the pre-coordinated "building blocks" have to already exist in the terminology, which are not always the case. There are sometimes

Term bindings in archetypes and templates

Thomas Beale wrote: > On 10/03/2010 22:16, Mikael Nystr?m wrote: >> I belong to a group that, except for openEHR related research, also do >> research about terminology systems and terminology systems mapping. >> During mapping from one terminology system to another terminology >> system is it q

Term bindings in archetypes and templates

Sebastian Garde wrote: Hi, >> 2) Another question is in relation to templates. If a significant >> number of term bindings happen at the template rather than Archetype >> level, are term bindings in Archetypes optional and open to further >> constraint even after an archetype is released in CKM?

informal poll: openEHR conference

Hi, We from Link?ping University are preliminary interested. Greetings, Mikael From: openehr-technical-boun...@chime.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at chime.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Beale Sent: den 27 novem

informal poll: openEHR conference

I guess that the social activities would be quite important for the community and they are hard to organize on airports and train stations. I therefore vote for other locations than airports and train stations. Greetings, Mikael From: openehr-

Improving Translation_details and other_contributors ?

Dear Carol, I agree that we need to be able to support both approaches and my proposal is formed to support both approaches. However, I do not agree that the national translation approach will take forever in all countries. For example it would not surprise me if Swedish Association of Local Au

Improving Translation_details and other_contributors ?

Dear Sebastian, Translations of medical (health) archetypes have parts in common with translations of medical (health) terminology systems. One example of translation projects of medical terminology systems is the Swedish SNOMED CT translation project. The project is approximately halfway o

Representing knowledge in Archetypes/Templates or external rules

Dear Pariya, I would vote for the first alternative. If we start to mix up the information model and the decision support rules too much we will end up with a quite chaotic system. Regards, Mikael _ From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:o

is OpenEHR.org down?

It is down for me (from Sweden) also. Regards, Mikael _ From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Seref Arikan Sent: den 11 januari 2009 14:34 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: is OpenEHR.org down?

text and description

Hi Grahame, You are right that the compositional grammar don?t solve the whole problem. I just meant that the compositional grammar probably is a part of the solution for binging to SNOMED CT (and maybe other systems that is possible to postcoordinate.) Greetings, Mikael -O

text and description

Hi, Some days after 2008-12-09 IHTSDO probably release a draft of a compositional grammar for SNOMED CT expressions which can be used for terminology bindings to SNOMED CT. This draft can probably be a basis for discussions of terminology bindings. Greetings, Mikael -Origin

text and description

Hi Olof, I think that you mix the archetypes? (and reference model?s) description of the data storage format and the display format too much. I don?t think that Ian mean that you must show either ?/a/b/c/d[at0033]g/h? nor ?Reaction pattern of the oral mucosa? for the users. The idea is instead

SNOMED/LOINC mapping

Greg Caulton wrote: > The problem with SNOMED mapping ([...]) is that I assume (perhaps > incorrectly) that the OpenEHR foundation could not distribute the > mapping without the recipients first getting some kind of license > for the SNOMED - not insurmountable but that does complicate things. [..

openEHR Querying specifications

> Mikael Nystr?m wrote: > >> If for example the change between the first and second version is a change >> in a position value set from "sitting", "standing" and "other" to "sitting", >> "standing", "lying" and "other". If then a query is written for the first >> version of the archetype searching

openEHR Querying specifications

The difference I mentioned is an addition of a value to a value set and not a renaming. It is just another variant of the classical ?not elsewhere classified?-problem in classifications like ICD. We probably have to be even more aware of the problem with varying value sets when data is reused whe

openEHR Querying specifications

Karsten Hilbert wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 11:26:08PM +0200, Mikael Nystr?m wrote: >> I therefore think that excluding the version information can result in a >> mess. > It shouldn't, of course, be excluded by default but should > be excludable on demand. By, say, allowing regex matching >

openEHR Querying specifications

I disagree with Rong. If for example the change between the first and second version is a change in a position value set from ?sitting?, ?standing? and ?other? to ?sitting?, ?standing?, ?lying? and ?other?. If then a query is written for the first version of the archetype searching for all case

MIE-2008

I have already counted you in when I applied for us at Link?ping University. :-) /Micke _ From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Rong Chen Sent: den 31 maj 2008 00:22 To: For openEHR techni

MIE-2008

It is a good idea. You can probably count all of us at Link?ping University in. /Micke _ From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sam Heard Sent: den 30 maj 2008 16:20 To: For openEHR technical discussions

Looking for the LiU Archetype Editor authors

Dear Adam, Then you should contact my colleague Erik Sundvall. He has the e-mail-address erisu at imt.liu.se . Mikael Nystr?m Medical Informatics Departmed of Biomedical Engineering Link?ping University Sweden -Original Message- From: openehr-tec

software development & starting out

Greg Caulton wrote: Hi, > I noticed that the Archetype Editor has the ability to > create references to UMLS and Snowmed content - is that > part of OpenEHR or is it licensed separately? openEHR is designed to be able to map to any terminology (and also possible to use without any mappings at al

software development & starting out

Hi, I recommend that you start reading the Architecture Overview which gives a overview of the ideas behind openEHR. You can find the current version at the URL http://svn.openehr.org/specification/TAGS/Release-1.0.1/publishing/architect ure/overview.pdf . If you would like to have a little ?hand

[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes

Hi Sam, Of course it improves the risk for the user to unconsciously hide the changes the user is looking for, but in general I believe that it is a good thing to implement useful functionality even if it improves the risk for a beginner to do to something wrong. (I believe that we non nati

[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes

Hi Sebastian, Nice work! I, who quite often work with medical information in more than one language, think it would be nice to add a column with the language code for each line when it is suitable and maybe the possibility of selecting to only show the differences for one of the languages i

Language tags within archetypes

Hi Huge, In SNOMED CT languages and dialects are coded in the following way First, a mandatory language code from ISO639-1 ?Codes for the representation of names of languages? for representation of the language. After the ISO639-1 code is it possible to add dash and an upper-case string

removal of data

Thomas Beale wrote: > Technically, deletion is easy, but there are consequences for consistency > and legal value of the data. So making it harder to do is sensible. We > have to realise that all such legislation as has been mentioned here is > written as if we were in 1850, still writing everythi

removal of data

I know that it is very hard to completely remove (parts of) an electronic health record, but the law is still the law and we therefore must follow it. It happens now and then in Sweden that we must remove (parts of) an electronic health record completely (and not only logically). The removal is mai

removal of data

Gerard Freriks wrote: > [...] > In an EHR-system physical deletion MUST NOT be possible. > Deletion after attestation will be in all situations legally not allowed. In fact that isn't true in Sweden! There are some very special occasions when a health record or parts of it should be able to be

persistence layer

Hi all, Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > Mikael Nystr?m wrote: > >> If we are talking about small data driven systems can I accept the ?pure >> Java guy?s alternative? and do most of the processing in Java. But if we >> would like to have large data driven systems this alternative is needs in >> most

persistence layer

Hi all, Rong Chen wrote: > Mikael Nystr?m wrote: >> Rong Chen wrote: >>> >>> Do you have any specific need for queries? If you don't need to query >>> the internals of the objects (or tree of them), it will be quite >>> simple to just serialize the whole object. >> >> I agree with Rong that in s

persistence layer

Hi all, Rong Chen wrote: > Bert Verhees wrote: >> Dear Mikael, since I initially started the discussion, I explain what >> my needs/opinions are. >> >> A good persistence-layer reflects the classes which want to be >> persistent. > > Do you have any specific need for queries? If you don't nee

FW: persistence layer

Dear all, I think before we discuss how we are going to build a persistence layer we need to discuss how we are going to use it. Is it to support a simple electronic healthcare record application which only collects basic information, print the information on a computer screen or on a paper on a s

persistence layer

Dear all, I think before we discuss how we are going to build a persistence layer we need to discuss how we are going to use it. Is it to support a simple electronic healthcare record application which only collects basic information, print the information on a computer screen or on a paper on a s

persistence layer

Dear all, I think before we discuss how we are going to build a persistence layer we need to discuss how we are going to use it. Is it to support a simple electronic healthcare record application which only collects basic information, print the information on a computer screen or on a paper on a s

dictionary

Hi Philippe, My answer was written from the pure computer science and engineering perspective. I meant that openEHR have worked with the structure of the electronic health records, but not built any medical terminology systems by their own (as far as I know). Regards, Mikael Nyst

dictionary

Hi Philippe, >From my point of view is the lack of communicable structure between different EHR systems the main problem openEHR?s archetypes tries to solve. I think this is what Mattias tries to say with his letter. In general medical informatics is it of cause also a large need for medical term