Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox

2010-11-23 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: # For LibreOffice I don't see any builds for Solaris. So, when we #wouldn't care about our platform, what is then the foundation #doing? ;-) I think your philosophy is fundamentally flawed. No one is expecting the TDF to port LibreOffice

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox

2010-11-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
# For LibreOffice I don't see any builds for Solaris. So, when we #wouldn't care about our platform, what is then the foundation #doing? ;-) I think your philosophy is fundamentally flawed. No one is expecting the TDF to port LibreOffice to Solaris. If Oracle is not stubborn/stupid enough

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-20 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I think it's a lot worse. It's not just non-production use, it's only licensed for software development, and only for use by a single person. I can't think of many places where you could actually use it. All of my software developers need to allow someone else onto their machines

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris-based distributions as on Nov 2010

2010-11-20 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
OpenSolaris-based distributions based on older releases of the OpenSolaris kernel. Distros: belenix eon jeos korona martux milax nexenta openindiana schillix stormos Note: Solaris 11 Express (b151a) has the latest kernel build based on OpenSolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Hi, I was going through the OTN license and I noticed something that got me thinking that solaris 11 express can only be used on one computer. what if i have was running opensolaris on two or more computers at home (non production form),like, my desktop and laptop.this means i can only

Re: [osol-discuss] something about solaris 11 express license(OTN)

2010-11-19 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
production form),like, my desktop and laptop.this means i can only use solaris 11 express only on one of them. is their a lawyer around here;-) Wouldn't downloading S11e as many times as you have machines solve this? Exactly. Anyone who has downloaded the S11e images should know that

[osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox

2010-11-18 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The following comment was cc'd from the GullFoss Forum, in case my posting was rejected: I am unable to install OOo 3.3RC5 in the just-released Oracle Solaris 11 Express. I have no problem installing it in Ubuntu. And I was able to install one of the previous RC's in Solaris 10u9 (with

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox

2010-11-18 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
please disregard this method, openoffice did install but also broke my solaris 11 install, this method worked on previous opensolaris release but no longer. Regards Edward You are right, trying to install OpenOffice.org the hard way (i.e., directly using pkgadd) will hose your

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox

2010-11-18 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 18:33, W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: The following comment was cc'd from the GullFoss Forum, in case my posting was rejected: I am unable to install OOo 3.3RC5 in the just-released Oracle Solaris 11 Express. it would really help to get some

[osol-discuss] iBUS in Solaris 11 Express?

2010-10-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Does anyone know whether iBUS will be available for Solaris 11 Express? If so, is it possible to test it in Solaris 10u9? Thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] : - (

2010-09-30 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On 30 Sep 2010, at 02:44, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but the update 9 of Solaris 10 has finally switched to OpenOffice.org. Thus, it seems that Oracle also silently RIP'd StarOffice (actually the decision was already made during Sun's time

Re: [osol-discuss] : - (

2010-09-29 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Not to mention more detail on a much earlier departure: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Java- Creator-James-Gosling-Why-I-Quit-Oracle-813517/ Keeping in mind that one tends to only hear one side at a time, nevertheless, it doesn't sound like Oracle wants

[osol-discuss] : - (

2010-09-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/and_now_page_2 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Dmitry G. Kozhinov d...@desktopfay.com wrote: So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) I am very doubtful about this. Oracle states

Re: [osol-discuss] New In Solaris 10 9/10 (Update 9)

2010-09-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
what's new in the latest release of Oracle Solaris 10! http://blogs.sun.com/OTNGarage/date/20100908 Oracle upgrades Solaris with Sun Solaris 10 9/10 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/eye-on-oracl e/oracle-upgrades-solaris-with-sun-solaris-10-910/ Download link:

Re: [osol-discuss] New In Solaris 10 9/10 (Update 9)

2010-09-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
what's new in the latest release of Oracle Solaris 10! http://blogs.sun.com/OTNGarage/date/20100908 Oracle upgrades Solaris with Sun Solaris 10 9/10 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/eye-on-oracl e/oracle-upgrades-solaris-with-sun-solaris-10-910/ Download link:

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Wikipedia says java is GPL. If you google around, you'll find that some version of java was released under GPL in 2006. However, if you look around ... it is not readily available today, at least, not in all the places you would be most likely to look for

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
while mentioning copyrights, i'm wondering if Oracle may also think it can sue illumos, like, it's suing google? Please think--and read--before you wrote. Google got sued because it didn't follow the terms of the GPL (and failed to secure an alternative license from Sun). The IllumOS

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-16 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
But it does make it very difficult for FLOSS because every times you develop something, it is most likely someone else has already filed the patents, and you are at risks from being sued. -Ghee Google is trying to hide under the FOSS umbrella. This is very deceiving. Sun is

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-16 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Not only is this statement incorrect (lawsuit is not about GPL) .. While the term GPL appears nowhere in the complaint, believe me (of course you don't have to), this is EXACTLY what the lawsuit is about. And I also believe that this is one of the main reasons that David Boies is taking this

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-15 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Oracle sues Google over Java! Un-believable! Now it is proven what Oracle's intentions are! Is Java free??? What is the future of Java now??? So much for pro-open source attitude! It doesn't exist -maybe it never did after Oracle acquired Sun. Will anyone trust Oracle any more? Too

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I don't think anyone will like me for saying this, but for those handful of us outside of Sun who have been following OpenSolaris since day one, do we really expect a different outcome? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-13 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Has anyone else taken note of the domain name of the law firm representing Oracle in the suit against Google? snip Has anyone ever heard the name David Boies? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

2010-08-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Garrett D'Amore, the Benevolent Dictator for now of the IllumOS project, has posted a slide show in pdf format: http://www.illumos.org/attachments/download/3/illumos.pdf At the present time, the only thing I cared is that these great slides are made using Oracle's OpenOffice.org 3.2 (pls see

Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion

2010-08-03 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Dave Koelmeyer wrote: SolarOS Rolls right off the tongue ;) And anything that looks close enough to the name of an existing trademark that it could be a typo for it, is likely to get you unpleasant mail from trademark lawyers. Trademark law protects against confusingly similar

Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion

2010-08-03 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Dave Koelmeyer wrote: SolarOS Rolls right off the tongue ;) And anything that looks close enough to the name of an existing trademark that it could be a typo for it, is likely to get you unpleasant mail from trademark lawyers. Trademark law protects against

Re: [osol-discuss] no more news articles from me

2010-08-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I don't know if you're aware the marketing thread has been retired, if that's the case, then maybe you can try to find an appropriate user group, become at least an honorary member, and post your news items there. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] [distribution-discuss] Community distro

2010-07-20 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The installation takes no more than a couple of minutes. The boot time I measured was about 25 seconds, as opposed to the 14 seconds advertised by Alex ( :-) ). This is VBox time, usually on SSD drive it's 14-16 seconds.. Again, I am sure everyone is aware that this is only a

Re: [osol-discuss] [distribution-discuss] Community distro

2010-07-18 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Wayne said: Now that you mentioned this great idea of putting together a minimalist distro, has anyone ever thought about Milax? I have only taken a short cut and tried to install it in VirtualBox, but have not succeeded. Has anyone successfully installed and run Firefox 3.6.6 and

Re: [osol-discuss] Community distro

2010-07-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
You already have 'community distros' and forums like Nexenta, Korona (KDE4Solaris), and Belenix as the OpenSolaris-based communities currently providing recent updates to either the desktop environment or backporting kernel patches. ~ Ken Mays One of the biggest problems with all of

Re: [osol-discuss] Community distro

2010-07-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On 17 Jul 2010, at 18:07, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: One of the biggest problems with all of our community distros is that they are not compatible with IPS. This problem is further complicated by the fact that Sun's own OpenSolaris distro does not allow multiple boot with other Solaris-based OS

Re: [osol-discuss] Community distro

2010-07-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip In a world where Solaris 10/Next is only available as a 90 day trial . . . This is completely UNTRUE, and I really hope that we at least don't repeat the FUD here. The 90-day trial language already existed in Sun's license. The reason that Oracle specifically spells it out was probably

Re: [osol-discuss] [distribution-discuss] Community distro

2010-07-16 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The best of all worlds, IMHO, would be for us (the community) to build and maintain a website of our own that hosted a minimalist distro of our own, with IPS repos of our own, using only the master mercurial (and/or whatever) source repos mirrored from within Oracle. Explicitly NOT a

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle does not sell laptops

2010-07-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
There is no direct, visible commercial benefit for oracle to try to displace ubuntu in the desktop market. There is however a drawback for Oracle's commercial success in case that Solaris is no longer viable on the desktop. Jörg Heartily agreed! But I am also looking at this

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
BTW: The problem with the US law system is that you cannot cancel a patent separately. This needs to be done during the main hearing of the trial. Jörg Actually in the US, you can file a re-examination request with the Patent Office to invalidate an issued patent. NetApp's COW

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: BTW: The problem with the US law system is that you cannot cancel a patent separately. This needs to be done during the main hearing of the trial. Jörg Actually in the US, you can file a re-examination request

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Based on what Paul said I don't think 'us' as the community that use Solaris or OpenSolaris-based distros should feel shafted if Oracle is focused on releasing Solaris 11. I'd hope we'd want this as the end goal as most of the OpenSolaris-based core snapshots were not considered

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Thanks. Oracle also provides a VirtualBox Solaris 10 10/09 Appliance Image in Open Virtual Format (OVF): https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS- CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?Produ ctref=virtualbox-s10u8-x86-...@cds-cds_smi This is a standard default

Re: [osol-discuss] Milax 0.5 boot fails : login services can not start

2010-06-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 10:36 -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Hi Alex, Sorry for forking the question, but have you recently had any success in booting Milax 0.5 from its vdi image? I keep getting the WARNING: init(1M) exited on fatal signal 9, restarting automatically message? Updating

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-06-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip On my Mac (under VirtualBox, since it's tedious to set up a Mac to triple-boot, and I already have to have XP on there for a few gadgets that only can be updated from XP, plus the service manual on CD for one of my cars, that can only be viewed with IE), OpenSolaris seems about the

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-06-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey You suck, quit whining unless you're being productive somehow. I apologize for using this language. This is a discussion list, where people want

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-06-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:40 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: That said, many of my friends are amazed to learn that they can so effortlessly run such a highly revered OS (the Solaris proper, not OpenSolaris--most of them really don't care about the latter and I am sure Oracle's people cannot avoid

Re: [osol-discuss] Milax 0.5 boot fails : login services can not start

2010-06-26 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Hi Alex, Sorry for forking the question, but have you recently had any success in booting Milax 0.5 from its vdi image? I keep getting the WARNING: init(1M) exited on fatal signal 9, restarting automatically message? Updating Oracle VirtualBox to the 3.2.6 did not help. No problem booting

Re: [osol-discuss] thanks to all who helped choochoo with OSOL message to Oracle/ Sun

2010-06-24 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip Money would be better spent on receiving a degree from an accredited college or university. Everyone knows what my BA and MS degree abbreviations mean. When my PhD is completed, they also recognize that. Been there. Done that. But son, if I were 30 years younger, I would be more

Re: [osol-discuss] You're invited : Oracle Solaris Day, June 28th,

2010-06-24 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 09:15 -0700, Orvar Korvar wrote: I would love to come, but it is a bit too far for me. :o) If you have any slides, it would be great if you later posted them on the net so everyone got up to date about the current status. I can't make it either, I am in Canada.

Re: [osol-discuss] You're invited : Oracle Solaris Day, June 28th,

2010-06-24 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/confcall/streetevents/SIG=133mnknrs/*http%3a//web.servicebureau.net/conf/meta?i=1113167739c=2343m=wasu=/w_ccbn.xsldate_ticker=ORCL or http://biz.yahoo.com/cc/7/114227.html The above is the link to the earnings conference call, it is still working hours here

Re: [osol-discuss] You're invited : Oracle Solaris Day, June 28th,

2010-06-24 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA Timezone: US/Pacific (GMT-0800) Thanks, I am actually more interested in seeing that Safra (Catz) answered questions relating to Sun (which could mean that she the highest Oracle executive

Re: [osol-discuss] thanks to all who helped choochoo with OSOL message to Oracle/ Sun

2010-06-21 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Engineer, Solaris Core OS Engineering President, Trusted Computing Group Phone: +1 650 786 6309 (Internal x86309) On Jun 20, 2010, at 12:36 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wp at HawaiiLinux dot org wrote: During the installation of Solaris Express, shortly after the kernel is loaded, a Java virtual machine

Re: [osol-discuss] thanks to all who helped choochoo with OSOL message to Oracle/ Sun

2010-06-20 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA Hi Erik, Thanks a whole lot for taking time to post your thoughts. Different people will react differently. I am sure you are aware that the stronger a person is devoted to Solaris, the

Re: [osol-discuss] Happy Birthday OpenSolaris

2010-06-15 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I believe this project started as the Open Solaris Project (with a space in between), from which it was evolved the SXCR DVD iso image, which those of us outside of Sun must download in a multiplicity of compressed iso segments (one segment at a time at a whopping 100 KB per second max), and

Re: [osol-discuss] [desktop-discuss] Can't Install OpenOffice.org 3.2 in B133

2010-03-08 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
pre wrap=BTW, have you done anything about running the OpenOffice.org plugin in NetBeans? /pre /blockquote No, haven't done anything with the Openoffice NetBeans plugin. Paul Just a note to self-- Geertjan has a brief blog entry on integrating OpenOffice.org into the NetBeans

Re: [osol-discuss] [i18n-discuss] SunPinyin (2.0) for iBus [PSARC/2010/065 FastTrack timeout 03042010]

2010-03-08 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On 03/ 8/10 01:04 AM, Fuyuki Hasegawa - Sun Microsystems wrote: This case has been approved with +1. I did give this case a +1, but there is still an unanswered question (see my mail from the 3rd). Please answer that question before approving the case. -Seb

Re: [osol-discuss] [i18n-discuss] SunPinyin (2.0) for iBus [PSARC/2010/065 FastTrack timeout 03042010]

2010-03-08 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I believe anyone expecting any engineer to know all the parts of the system is woefully underestimating just how much software we have and what you consider to be common knowledge is not as common as you think. Yeah, except I am not an ARC member. I don't know about you, but if I were a

Re: [osol-discuss] [i18n-discuss] SunPinyin (2.0) for iBus [PSARC/2010/065 FastTrack timeout 03042010]

2010-03-08 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I believe anyone expecting any engineer to know all the parts of the system is woefully underestimating just how much software we have and what you consider to be common knowledge is not as common as you think. Yeah, except I am not an ARC member. I don't know about you, but

Re: [osol-discuss] [i18n-discuss] SunPinyin (2.0) for iBus [PSARC/2010/065 FastTrack timeout 03042010]

2010-03-08 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip -- -Alan Coopersmith- - alan.coopersm...@sun.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window ow System You have just inadvertently answered an important question that many of us are wondering: Will OpenSolaris survive? I think the answer now is terribly clear, even

Re: [osol-discuss] [i18n-discuss] SunPinyin (2.0) for iBus [PSARC/2010/065 FastTrack timeout 03042010]

2010-03-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Compared to other Linux distros, the IIIMF in OpenSolaris also comes with an on-screen keyboard. For users who have to use a non-US keyboard (e.g., the bopomofo keyboard for traditional Chinese speakers), this is really handy. It is sad that this advantage was never widely advertised. I

Re: [osol-discuss] [desktop-discuss] Can't Install OpenOffice.org 3.2 in B133

2010-03-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On 03/ 2/10 11:58 PM, Paul Gress wrote: On 03/ 2/10 07:59 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: snip It gets just past grub and then just hangs indefinitely. snip) (As an unrelated matter) when the happy face won't stop smiling, you can hit the escape key, this will cause

Re: [osol-discuss] [i18n-discuss] SunPinyin (2.0) for iBus [PSARC/2010/065 FastTrack timeout 03042010]

2010-03-04 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip The fact that the state of the art appears to be ibus and that it is not the default on Solaris is a detriment to projects such as this that are integrating new features for ibus. Hasegawa-san, I believe you were both the case owner and the project team for the ibus integration.

Re: [osol-discuss] [desktop-discuss] Can't Install OpenOffice.org 3.2 in B133

2010-03-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 3.2 last night on my snv_133 x64 system, the only hiccup I saw was the Next button being grayed out on the initial setup screen - but clicking the Help button, then returning to the initial setup screen resulted in it becoming available (weird), after

Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot

2010-02-26 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip My take is this, I read all the 300+ messages posted at Slashdot, and found it amazing that one could surmise what Oracle may or may not do wrt one of its most important assets without seriously entering Chairman Larry into the equation. (As we all know, Chairman Larry owns about one

Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris on slashdot

2010-02-24 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:34:08 -0500, Michael Lee mle...@gmail.com wrote: Ultimately the slashdot link points to a short article on Phronix about the not-so-bright future of OpenSolaris at Oracle, albeit the article is a bit weak on real content--still something about OpenSolaris made it

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2010.03?

2010-02-23 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Is the next formal release still planned for 2010.03 and based on build 134? After very disappointing failures from previous builds, my hope was very high on b133, especially since it is so close to the os2010.03 official release. But b133 (LiveCD) still failed to boot from two of our three

Re: [osol-discuss] b132 is out!

2010-02-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
No, on the contrary, nightly builds are only against OpenSolaris. Thanks, it always helps to know this is the case. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] The Future of OpenSolaris Releases?

2010-02-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I'll ask any question I want, so GFY! Chinese using a Western name talks about using real names! Message was edited by: gpatrick It is way beyond my dignity to even read your post, but my great great grand father immigrated from China to Maui some time after the Civil War, I am

Re: [osol-discuss] The Future of OpenSolaris Releases?

2010-02-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
snip In any case, there's plenty of reason for folks outside Sun/Oracle to build their own distro to cater to their needs snip -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA One of the most significant but often overlooked advantages of

Re: [osol-discuss] b132 is out!

2010-02-04 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
For some reason Firefox 3.6 (tar.gz version) won't start in b132 (it worked in b131). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] The Future of OpenSolaris Releases?

2010-02-04 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
To put this to rest then. OpenSolaris is not a different operating system than Solaris 10. Just a different name, not a fork like OpenBSD from NetBSD in any way. Strictly a name change to reflect that it's open source? If you want to continue to post stupid comments, please use your real

Re: [osol-discuss] b132 is out!

2010-02-04 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
For some reason Firefox 3.6 (tar.gz version) won't start in b132 (it worked in b131). Looks like the nightly build was built only against S10? Please this not be the case; so many people have worked so hard on OpenSolaris! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?

2010-01-31 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
However, the open source version of the QQ client is known to have limited features (though it should be good enough for inclusion in OpenSolaris). But as I am sure you are aware, Tencent actually provides QQ clients for various platforms, including Linux. Most Linux distros avoid the

Re: [osol-discuss] [ug-bjosug] 欢迎参加:由 北京OpenSolaris用户 组与北京GNOME用 户组第二次携手组织的活动(2010 年1月28日星期四)

2010-01-29 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Thanks to Emily Chen for putting together the seminar photos and slides at: http://tinyurl.com/bj-oracle (As you can see, English is still the language of choice.) 可否请演讲者将他们的讲义post到网站上,让我们不住在北京的也可以共享? Thanks (Could you please ask the speakers to post their seminar notes on the web so

Re: [osol-discuss] [ug-bjosug] 欢迎参加:由 北京OpenSolaris用户 组与北京GNOME用 户组第二次携手组织的活动(2010 年1月28日星期四)

2010-01-29 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Thanks to Emily Chen for putting together the seminar photos and slides at: http://tinyurl.com/bj-oracle Oops, 下载 means download (the seminar slides). But I don't see anyone on this forum should have any problem guessing that. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?

2010-01-29 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
What happens to JavaFX? Larry Ellison rarely, if ever, commented on any specific product of the companies that he acquired. JavaFX is probably the only exception. The words he used were that he encouraged OpenOffice.org developers to write OpenOffice.org libraries in JavaFX. Many

Re: [osol-discuss] Goodbye Sun.com

2010-01-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I hope Oracle will not rebrand OpenSolaris / Solaris look and feel, which tends to be blue/silver to something bright red. It would be just too annoying. Bright red will do very well in the greater China market. Very very well, indeed. Thus, quite contrary to what probably everyone else is

Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?

2010-01-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The only bug report I find was closed by one of the pidgin maintainers from Sun's Beijing office as not possible since the QQ network owners don't allow third-party clients: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 Thanks Alan (as always), but plse see the attached screenshot

Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?

2010-01-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
It is not a technical issue, but a legal one. I don't know if it is legal to ship a QQ client created by using reverse engineering. But I know, in 2006, Tencent filed a copyright lawsuit against Chen Shoufu (aka Soff), the author of Coral QQ, whose redistributing modified Tencent QQ was

Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?

2010-01-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
You can see just as much as most Sun employees can. -Alan Coopersmith- - alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System em Engineering Most of Sun's employees don't even use OpenSolaris! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?

2010-01-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
BTW the webcast of the Oracle/Sun strategy session is still going on: http://tinyurl.com/os-012710 I have to take off now. If anyone hears anything about OpenSolaris, please let us know. Thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?

2010-01-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Oracle is not exactly known as being friendly to open source software This statement is not exactly fair. Oracle has been one of the major contributors to the Linux kernel. Also, Oracle was the first elite company to port its mainstream products to the Linux platform (this move gave Linux

Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?

2010-01-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
It is not a technical issue, but a legal one. I don't know if it is legal to ship a QQ client created by using reverse engineering. But I know, in 2006, Tencent filed a copyright lawsuit against Chen Shoufu (aka Soff), the author of Coral QQ, whose redistributing modified Tencent QQ was

Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?

2010-01-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
While OpenSolaris is already open source (mostly), there were some plans within Sun to open source more technologies, but Sun didn't get to it because of the merger. In particular - Sun Studio, C++ compiler etc. Interesting what are Oracle intentions in regards to keeping those plans? I

[osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?

2010-01-26 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The OS2010.03 LiveCD is supposed to be released in 03, 2010. As such, the final RC should be out by the end of February ( based on the previous releases, the official release will be binary-identical to the final RC). However, based on what I read and from my own experiences (it won't even

Re: [osol-discuss] howto: solaris 10 and OpenSolaris on the same zfs root pool

2010-01-19 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Here's a quick dump on how to get Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris on the same rpool. ttp://blogs.sun.com/mrj/entry/solaris_10_and_opensolar is_on MRJ Thanks for the plug, will give it a try. ps. Currently, I have Sol10 installed on the bare metal and OpenSolaris on an external

Re: [osol-discuss] [ug-bjosug] 欢迎参加:由 北京OpenSolaris用户 组与北京GNOME用 户组第二次携手组织的活动(2010 年1月28日星期四)

2010-01-18 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
可否请演讲者将他们的讲义post到网站上,让我们不住在北京的也可以共享? Thanks (Could you please ask the speakers to post their seminar notes on the web so that those of us who are not living in Beijing can also enjoy the learning experience? Thanks.) 大家好, 北京OpenSolaris用户组第三十四次会议将于1月 28日在北京清华科技园创新大厦A

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_130

2010-01-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Oh I agree, but I bet there's a lot of us who have been using, live upgrading, testing and providing feedback on SXCE since it was a stroppy teenager and haven't made the leap into the OpenSolaris realm. It's been too stable for its own good. -- Ian. Of course! I have been

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_130

2010-01-03 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The time you need to install OpenSolaris is much larger than installing SXCE, mostly trying to find which packages you've missed this time. Casper This kind of extra effort is NOTHING compared to what those of us who are moving from Linux to Solaris/OpenSolaris have to go through.

Re: [osol-discuss] build 130 nonsense

2009-12-30 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I really need to get on with my honours project - which is on Solaris Zones btw. Instead I've spent the past day filing nice new bugs in OpenSolaris. I guess that's the price I pay for being on the bleeding edge. ;-) Cheers Andrew. My take is, thanks to AlanC's info in a separate

[osol-discuss] Invisible Gnome-Terminal Problem

2009-12-20 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I was happy (at least for a while) to see that the following problem was solved in snv_129: . . . using terminal programs such as gnome-terminal(1) or xterm(1) may result in characters not being echoed or commands unable to be typed. However, after playing with input methods with the

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I'm amused that you think that re-writing IPS in the C language would make it run that much faster. snip Cheers, -- Shawn Walker Hi Shawn, You are, of course, a very respectable member of this forum (an understatement), but please refrain from using languages that may cause

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-12-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Is expressing amusement language that causes resentment? Or is the bad language you are talking about the reference to A$$ in the subject line? Has our forum come to this? Brian I believe you have answered your own question. (thus then why bothered to ask?) -- This message

Re: [osol-discuss] Frustrated beyond belief trying to cobble together a zfs platform

2009-11-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I want, like about 90% of the more literate home computer users to put together a zfs file server for my ever-growing home network. snip Very recently, one of Sun's bloggers started a blog about building a small and energy-efficient OpenSolaris/zfs-based home server:

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] Font location/packaging changes for X consolidation fonts

2009-11-21 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 00:07 -0800, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Why can't we try to duplicate the Ubuntu desktop if this is not already being considered? Because I do not want Ubuntu? And with me many others (I hope). When Yong Sun (the AlanC of China IMNSHO :-) ) was still with Sun, he

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris SXCE 126 in VirtualBox

2009-11-15 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I am running OpenSolaris in Jaunty (Ubuntu 9.06) now Kamic (Ubuntu 9.10) under VBox (fully updated, now to 3.0.10). Here's a brief summary of the problems: 1. no problem with os08011 liveCD and subsequent installation, 2. image

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris SXCE 126 in VirtualBox

2009-11-09 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I am running OpenSolaris in Jaunty (Ubuntu 9.06) now Kamic (Ubuntu 9.10) under VBox (fully updated, now to 3.0.10). Here's a brief summary of the problems: 1. no problem with os08011 liveCD and subsequent installation, 2. image-updated to snv_121 thru

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris SXCE 126 on X61 unusable

2009-11-08 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Try harder - which new Xorg version? snv_107 - Xorg 1.5.3 snv_116 - Xorg 1.6.1 snv_120 - Xorg 1.6.2 snv_121 - Xorg 1.6.3 snv_126 - Xorg 1.6.5 I am running OpenSolaris in Jaunty (Ubuntu 9.06) now Kamic (Ubuntu 9.10) under VBox (fully updated, now to

Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris b122 liveCD runs so slowly on mac's virtualbox 3.0.4

2009-09-09 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
it's so slow, that I need to wait ~1min to see the cursor movement for moving my mouse. Message was edited by: yongsun I have run into a different kind of problem; I wasn't even able to boot from the b122 image (AMD quad-core, Nvidia video, 8 GB RAM, trying to boot from VBox 3.0.4 under

Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE end-of-life plans

2009-08-13 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I am disappointed. I'd installed opensolaris 2009.06 and uninstall it in favor of Sun SXCE. In my opinion, it is much more polished in terms of the desktop. Things are much more well integrated, the icons are nicer, and I love the Sun background wall paper. Like everyone else, I hope there

Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE end-of-life plans

2009-08-11 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Sun is announcing the intent to discontinue production of the Solaris Express Community Edition (SXCE) snip IMNSHO, this move is long overdue, but thanks for bringing it to the discussion forum. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris graphics performance in Java 2D Microbenchmark beats Linux!!!

2009-07-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
A few days ago, I upgraded one of my PCs at home to an AMD Quad, and I have noticed a similar surprise in performance differences between OpenSolaris and various Linux distros. (I have no intent of going back to OpenSolaris at least for a while; the reason I did this was because I was unable

Re: [osol-discuss] Anybody in OpenSolaris land run in to this bug in Open Office?

2009-07-26 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I just tested with OOo 3.1 (the default install in OpenSolaris 2009.06) and with the development version of upcoming 3.2 (DEV300_m53) also in OpenSolaris 2009.06 and I couldn't reproduce the bug in either of them. Can this just be hearsay? Hi Thommy, A small correction I might add: the

Re: [osol-discuss] Anybody in OpenSolaris land run in to this bug in Open Office?

2009-07-26 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I just tested with OOo 3.1 (the default install in OpenSolaris 2009.06) and with the development version of upcoming 3.2 (DEV300_m53) also in OpenSolaris 2009.06 and I couldn't reproduce the bug in either of them. Can this just be hearsay? Hi Thommy, A small correction I

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