Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-12 Thread John
I was thinking red shifted like far away stars. Their prices are likely to be astronomical. On 4/11/2018 18:14, Bill wrote: On 4/11/2018 2:22 PM, Gonz wrote: Some interesting things I had not heard of in there. I wonder what the red strips mean: "not likely to be built"? I suspect those le

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-11 Thread Bill
On 4/11/2018 2:22 PM, Gonz wrote: Some interesting things I had not heard of in there. I wonder what the red strips mean: "not likely to be built"? I suspect those lenses might be considered if the lenses they are committed to sell in great enough numbers. Ricoh will support the brand to an

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-11 Thread Gonz
Some interesting things I had not heard of in there. I wonder what the red strips mean: "not likely to be built"? On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Bill wrote: > On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: >> >> It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At >> one point there was one.

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread Bill
On 4/10/2018 6:39 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Mine is up on eBay at the moment (reluctantly), it's a gorgeous lens, better than the FA* version but its AF sucks and I need AF these days so it's more a lovely curio for me. Given its status as a collectors piece and the condition of my copy I've put a

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread Bill
On 4/10/2018 5:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The A* 85/1.4 is a collectible. You could probably sell it for more than the new 85 will cost. Of course I’m not sure I’d be willing to part with it. I guarantee you I'm not. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailm

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 07:30:04PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I want the 85/1.4. Bigly. > > Paul I must admit I'm kind of interested in this, but probably not enough to pay the kind of money it's likely to sell for. And, realistically, I'd be unlikely to use it anywhere near enough to warran

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread Rob Studdert
Mine is up on eBay at the moment (reluctantly), it's a gorgeous lens, better than the FA* version but its AF sucks and I need AF these days so it's more a lovely curio for me. Given its status as a collectors piece and the condition of my copy I've put a premium on it, if I get no bites I get to ke

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
The A* 85/1.4 is a collectible. You could probably sell it for more than the new 85 will cost. Of course I’m not sure I’d be willing to part with it. Paul > On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/10/2018 5:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> I want the 85/1.4. Big time. > I would to, b

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread Bill
On 4/10/2018 5:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I want the 85/1.4. Big time. I would to, but I'm not shooting enough portraiture anymore to justify it, and am not making enough money these days to be able to buy it without justifying it. Also, I have an A*85/1.4, which seems to be a decent enough

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I want the 85/1.4. Bigly. Paul > On Apr 10, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/9/2018 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Thanks. Much better. > > Note that they are only committing (kind of) to the 85/1.4 and 70-200/4 next > year. Everything else, you can be pretty sure will be in the "la

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-10 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2018 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks. Much better. Note that they are only committing (kind of) to the 85/1.4 and 70-200/4 next year. Everything else, you can be pretty sure will be in the "later" column. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mai

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks. Much better. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:21 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: >> It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At >> one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? > > Here, this one is better: > http://www.ricoh-

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
This page is so low res, the lens names can’t be read. It also comes with a warning from Safari that it may be a phishing site and has an expired certificate. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: >> It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? Here, this one is better: http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_Lens.pdf bill -- PDML Pentax-Discus

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? https://pentaxrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Pentax-K-mount-lens-roadmap-487x550.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PD

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Henk Terhell wrote: Op 2018-04-09 om 19:51 schreef Larry Colen: I have the 15-30 which I bought because better wide angle was the majority of the point of going full frame (for me anyways, with everything else but low light the visible difference in quality very very subtle). I also bought

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Henk Terhell
Op 2018-04-09 om 19:51 schreef Larry Colen: I have the 15-30 which I bought because better wide angle was the majority of the point of going full frame (for me anyways, with everything else but low light the visible difference in quality very very subtle).  I also bought the rokinon 24/1.4

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Gonz
It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Bill wrote: > On 4/9/2018 8:45 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> Pentax released four bloated zooms with the K-1 or just slightly pr

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Gonz
The Rokinon sounds like an option I should look into... On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Henk Terhell wrote: >> >> Gonz, I entirely agree with you. >> Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for >> landscape work, preferably as a prime. >> Something

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Larry Colen
Henk Terhell wrote: Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2018 9:03 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I agree. The whining is silly. I might have preferred something other than the 50mm as a first prime, but it does make a lot of sense. And I look forward to owning it. Hopefully it will coincide with the official release of the K1-II and be out late

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Bill
Sorry Henk, I sent that to you off list. I'm starting to despise Thunderbird. On 4/9/2018 9:02 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: You may be right as to pentax decisions, but for ff there is now by pentax a 50, a 77, and a 100 (macro) but nothing at all in the wide angle prime range below 35. Fair p

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I agree. The whining is silly. I might have preferred something other than the 50mm as a first prime, but it does make a lot of sense. And I look forward to owning it. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Bill wrote: > > On 4/9/2018 8:45 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Pentax released four bloated

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Henk Terhell
Op 2018-04-09 om 16:37 schreef Bill: On 4/9/2018 2:05 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of P

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2018 8:45 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Pentax released four bloated zooms with the K-1 or just slightly prior to its release. I was quite happy with that decision, because it meant that I could cover al my focal length needs for now and gradually add some primes. And the zooms seem to be a

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Pentax released four bloated zooms with the K-1 or just slightly prior to its release. I was quite happy with that decision, because it meant that I could cover al my focal length needs for now and gradually add some primes. And the zooms seem to be at least the equal of last generation primes i

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Bill
On 4/9/2018 2:05 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is a

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
ever since they came out and it is one of my most used lenses - >> has never given me any trouble. >> >> Yeah, I know its not available new but I do see them used from time to time. >> >> >> >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogall

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Gonz
gt; has never given me any trouble. > > Yeah, I know its not available new but I do see them used from time to time. > > > > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's &g

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-09 Thread Henk Terhell
Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the K-1 itself. I'm gla

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-08 Thread Ken Waller
out and it is one of my most used lenses - has never given me any trouble. Yeah, I know its not available new but I do see them used from time to time. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - Subject: Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh'

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-08 Thread Gonz
I don't expect Pentax to be releasing mirrorless cameras rivaling Sony's or anyones for that matter. Or I don't expect them to produce a camera aimed at the professional sports photographer market. But their particular niche, which I would say is aspiring amateur photographers that like small form-

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-08 Thread John
Well, *IF* I was running Pentax (and yes, I know I'm not), what actual customers who bought previous models had to say about them would be "my" starting point for developing new models and for improving older ones. What did "we" get right? What did "we" get wrong? What do the customers say they

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread mike wilson
I suppose another interpretation might be that Pentax doesn't _receive_ much feedback on new model direction but mostly on existing models. > On 07 April 2018 at 18:39 John wrote: > > > The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the > improvements were driven (in part)

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread mike wilson
The statement seemed incongruous to me as well, which is why I mentioned it. But it's from a senior manager and it's perfectly clear, despite much of the rest of the article being contradictory. > On 07 April 2018 at 18:39 John wrote: > > > The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was anno

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread John
The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the improvements were driven (in part) by customer feedback and that feedback was also the reason for the "upgrade" being available for existing K-1's On 4/7/2018 11:00, Alex Sarbu wrote: I see, thank you for the clarification. H

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread Bill
On 4/7/2018 10:12 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Since they have limited resources, should we expect Limited lenses? ;-) It looks like Limited, in the case of full frame, means practically non existent. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pd

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread Bill
On 4/7/2018 12:57 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on new model develpoment

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Since they have limited resources, should we expect Limited lenses? ;-) Igor Paul Stenquist Fri, 06 Apr 2018 13:58:29 -0700 wrote: They certainly don’t have unlimited resources but I’m pleased to hear they will concentrate on full frame lenses. Paul On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Larry Co

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread Alex Sarbu
I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective whi

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread mike wilson
"Feedback, especially from K-1 owners, is more focused on the upgrade services." I see that as saying that feedback is used primarily to upgrade existing models, not on new model direction. > On 07 April 2018 at 08:26 Alex Sarbu wrote: > > > Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-07 Thread Alex Sarbu
Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times in the interview that owner feedback is very important to them. But I don't see anywhere the statement you're talking about. Alex On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, mike wilson wrote: >> On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: >> >> >> https://www.d

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-06 Thread mike wilson
> On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: > > > https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-06 Thread Henk Terhell
Wheras I still have the primes of 28, 35 and 50 from the fim era I very much like to have a ff 20 mm prime at an affordable price. There is such a great gap in ff wide angle range compared to what is available for the APS-C DA lenses. Henk Op 2018-04-06 om 22:57 schreef Paul Stenquist: They c

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
They certainly don’t have unlimited resources but I’m pleased to hear they will concentrate on full frame lenses. Paul > On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Gonz wrote: >> https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our

Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-06 Thread Larry Colen
Gonz wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority I love articles that start out with a great pun: They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to

Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...

2018-04-06 Thread Gonz
https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinf