An interesting thing I noticed browsing through my Atlas the other day is that
Oz is in the same latitude range as Mexico, only south rather than north. I had
unthinkingly imagined it being farther south. Gor, I couldn't stand the heat.
David Savage wrote:
Don't even see it over here.
We
It is not all that cheap. You buy an SLR you get everything but the lens. You
buy this you get the sensor and electronics. Everything else is an up. Need a
viewfinder? A few more thousand is all it costs. Need a battery pack and
charger? Add another few thousand. Get the idea? Probably a
Wow, Rick has a time machine...
Rick Womer wrote:
Okay, I submitted a PUG. It had -nothing- to do with
Scott's threats. Honest. Really. Nerves of steel.
A paucity of digital autumn pix caused me to dive into
my slides for the first time in months. I chose
something from November 2007.
Roughly, at the 2mp low res setting about 1 minute, and about 10 seconds at
12mp. That is figuring 25fps.
P. J. Alling wrote:
Alright I finaly looked at their store, and looked at their storage
page, they're selling 8gb CF cards, and a multi card box to house them.
Anybody want to do the
Ah, do it by hand, it is only 2000 cards... Those were the days, a programmer
did not even have to know how to type, just hand the code sheet to the key
puncher, and then spend a week trying to figure out why your program did not
work only to find out the keypuncher missed a line.
Nope, I
Naw, it is an animation series done on an old Linux Laptop by a 12 year old kid
in West Africa while herding his families goats.
Gonz wrote:
Staged, actually taken in a secret propaganda studio in the Nevada
dessert somewhere
;)
On 9/18/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Space
I admit that I do not bother worrying about Lynx compatability any longer. I
have not met anyone who even knew what it is in years.
For those reading this who do not, it is a text based web browser.
Charles Robinson wrote:
On Sep 19, 2007, at 13:17, Mark Roberts wrote:
I feel your pain. I
IIRC, he originally said that he has seen that happen but didn't get the photo,
so did a recreation of it. Decades later he claimed it was not staged. So you
decide.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged.
True? Apparently the
Just laziness, that's all.
frank theriault wrote:
On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise
anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's
all Bob's fault:-).
I have to say,
Gullibles travels. That photo appeared in Life Magazine in 1945. Back then
there
were two people in the US who did not at least browse through Life Magazine,
they were both in a coma (hypebole for emphasis). And it took 50+ years to find
the people in the photo.
HCB himself told the story
How much do you want to spend. You can get upwards to 100,000ppi scans but they
cost a small fortune. Of the run of the mill film scanners I believe the
Minoltas at 5200ppi were the highest. However a well done 4000ppi scan should
allow fine prints up to about any size you would want. Somewhere
redundant supplies and I can hardly imagine
both going at once. This is the first machine I have had all these problems
with, and to make it worse it is all server/workstation grade stuff. Should
have
built a cheap desktop, I should of.
John Sessoms wrote:
From:
graywolf
Having just done 3
why I always wear a turban when driving.
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I once drove the front arrow
Ken, I do not have your address on this computer and the main one is
temporarily
out of service. Please email me.
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Being on this old 15 inch monitor temporarily (I hope), I have to ask, how did
we ever do photo stuff on them. It is woefully tiny. I seems inadiquate for
email even. However, the color may be better than 19 Hitachi, which is scary
because that particular Hitachi was considered the best
Gee, I have to mostly agree with the other guy on this one. You of course have
to have a camera to take photos, but which one makes little difference whether
they are great photos or not. Crappy photos can be shot with almost any camera,
and great photos can be shot with almost any camera. The
I once drove the front arrow truck for a highway department line painting crew.
You do not know what fun is until you have to drive down a heavily traveled two
lane road at rush hour straddling the center line and forcing traffic onto the
shoulders so the paint truck behind you can repaint the
Isn't that about what he make in advertising fees every time a bunch of you
look at his website? I find it amusing that you guys laugh at him while you are
helping him make money. I suspect he finds that amusing as hell too.
P. J. Alling wrote:
That would be a very bad think, I'm ashamed of
Having just done 3 installs, I can sympathize.
The very first thing I do is turn off the balloons and shut down Window
Security Center. Like I need it telling me my computer is not safe because I do
not have windows firewall active when I am behind a hardware firewall, and that
I do not have
Try a radioactive iridium one-foot diameter buckyball meteor with an 160
million year old atmosphere eating virus inside. From a 2004 novel by a best
selling author.
You don't have to go back to the 1930's to find authors who make up science
from buzzwords in the popular press.
P. J. Alling
scintillator
scintillator (sîn´tl-â´ter) noun
A substance that glows when hit by high-energy particles or photons.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition
copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from
INSO Corporation; further
it?
P. J. Alling wrote:
How the hell do you build buckyballs out of iridium?
graywolf wrote:
Try a radioactive iridium one-foot diameter buckyball meteor with an 160
million year old atmosphere eating virus inside. From a 2004 novel by a best
selling author.
You don't have to go back
Been there, places are very colorful, but not that colorful. Very little in
nature looks like it was done with melted crayons or super gloss acrylics.
To me Agfa Precisa 100 had the most accurate color rendition of any of the
slide films. That was the biggest loss to me from Agfa going out of
Now, Rob, you know that if it is well composed, properly lit, and shot with
Velvia it is ART. But crappy ART, of course.
chuckle
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I say is art, IS art.
If it has a frame around it.
I say a dog shit
That was not true of my dad.
(His name was Art, for those who find my comment confusing)
P. J. Alling wrote:
It's simple Art means what Art sez.
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I have been to Hell many times. I wonder if it is still just a gas station, a
gift shop, and a post office where you can get the post card you bought in the
gift shop post marked? It's between Ann Arbor and Pinkney.
Mark Cassino wrote:
The tourist shops in Paradise sell a T-Shirt that says
I
It is an artistic decision. I have never liked highly over saturated images
myself. Of course really is, seemingly, boringly dull to most people.
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 13/09/2007, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I got the impression they're supposed to look like that to give
Velvia arose back when lithography was still done via the photo/mechanical
process. You needed a very highly saturated original because some saturation
was lost in each step of the process and advertising people especially wanted
their magazine ads to be highly saturation so they would jump off
Welcome to the Camera Club, Frank. If your photos don't look like everyone
else's photos you do not know how to take pictures...
frank theriault wrote:
To those who've complained that not all of your photos have been
accepted in the Pentax Gallery, quit yer bitchin'!
Not one of mine has
Interestingly enough I do not believe any state here in the US taxes service,
only goods. That was one of the reasons that after my first attempt as a
commercial photographer I changed my rate structure to a pure service one of
time + a service charge for obtaining materials which I bought
anything politicians did.
John Sessoms wrote:
From:
graywolf
Interestingly enough I do not believe any state here in the US taxes
service, only goods. That was one of the reasons that after my first
attempt as a commercial photographer I changed my rate structure to a
pure service one of time
Sorry my editor is on holiday.
graywolf wrote:
Started to post a LOL, but then got to thinking. Only 87% of politicians are
lawyers, but 100% of politicians hire lawyers. When you think of it a service
tax does not hurt the person it applies to it hurts his customers. No(t) only
do
Had to look Rave up, looks like Disco is back.
Scott Loveless wrote:
I'm not sure what's more unlikely - Rick enjoying a rave, or hell
freezing over. Or maybe pigs flying. Or me enjoying a rave. I'll
agree with Rick. You better have some damn heavy chains to get me into one.
Rebekah
Great photos are 95% technique and 5% equipment.
Unfortunately one can not go out and buy technique; one has to study, and
practice, and put in lots of effort to acquire it. So it will never be as
fashionable as buying a new camera, or lens, or filter, or whatever.
So, in some ways a poor but
Why do I disagree with that? Of course it may be different than its
predicessors, but I alway found them clunky to say the least.
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 09/09/2007, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
crazy stuff. Nikon cameras confuse me; every time I've ever held one
I couldn't
Ah, but the problem is that Mr Joe Littleguy is a lot easier to regulate than
Mr Big Industry Lobbiest. Now of course their are only about 0.1% as many folks
doing chemical based photography, but that never did stop the lawmakers from
doing their thing. In fact they like it because they are not
And there is such a thing as a daylight loading developing tank. I have one
made
by Kodak. Never have found instructions for loading it and about half my tries
resulted in a destroyed roll of film sigh. I rather think it was not designed
for modern super thin film.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It takes a pretty large changing bag to fit an enlarger in it grin. I did
know
a guy once who had a darkroom setup in a trailer he hauled around to events
with
him.
David Savage wrote:
On 9/7/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Developing film is easy. You need a tank, a couple spools
you're stuck with IE for some reason or your
system/connection is dog slow, there's absolutely no reason to disable
Javascript or not install Flash.
-Adam
Who does Network/Computer Security work for a living.
graywolf wrote:
Says right on the page that you need Flash and Javascrip enabled
Heck it is easy, you hire the train for a day or two. Get a 12-15 man video
crew
together. Sit in a directors chair and say, Roll um and Cut. I can not
understand why folks here on the list want to make things sound hard?
P. J. Alling wrote:
They also take detailed measurements and
PS Bridge will do it fine.
David J Brooks wrote:
Hi gang.
Its just about time for me to start on my slide show for the horse
banquet next month. In the past, i have resized in ifranview to 1000
on the long side. This makes for a nice photo shown on the pull down
screen at the hall.
But,
Bad color design there. The links are real hard to see against that maroon
background. Hint: I, and others, just go someplace else when it is hard to read
what you have put up. Background should be several shades lighter than the
text.
You can get away with it the other way around but that is
Says right on the page that you need Flash and Javascrip enabled.
I wonder why they do sites that knowledgeable people will not look at? The gee
whiz effects may excite the newbies until they learn how easy it is to load
nasty stuff on your computer when you have all those anybody can run
I ran off the road once to avoid a deer. $2600 worth of damage to a diesel
Escort hardly any damage to the bodywork but the undercarriage was pretty much
wiped out, I did not realize in the dark that the field was 4 feet lower than
the road. I figured next time I would hit the SOB; it would
OTOH, a set of false teeth is not going to give you a hernia. Why, I once
carried in six sets in one load...
John Sessoms wrote:
From:
Bob W
n the other hand (if you'll forgive the expression), drivers and
drivers' mates in furniture delivery vans are the salt of the earth. I
once had a
You are being a smart ass, Peter. One, would with no other reference, figure it
was from zero latitude, if it was from anything else a reference would be
needed. Reference from zero can always be assumed. Not too far from from my
apartment is a sign that says
Eastern
Continental
Divide
3360
Kodak has moved their film production offshore (actually, I imagine that just
means they have shut down their US and European film plants mostly due to
environmental regulations*), Fuji continues to introduce new films. Film may no
longer be mainstream, but it is far from dead. I would imagine
You spend a decade or two making ho-hum cameras, and that is what your market
image becomes. It is far harder to overcome a image like that than it is to
start from scratch.
Strangely, there is an immense amount of merchandising research results
published but I have found that most people
Oh, I am sorry Peter, I attributed your comments as a smart ass reply,
obviously
I was wrong.
P. J. Alling wrote:
Thanks for the straw man Graywolf. Tom, being halfway to the North pole
from the equator is no more obvious than being half way to the North
Pole from the South Pole. Hell
90% of the time any metering system works well, the other 10% of the time you
have to think. That assumes serious photography, for snapshooters it is 99% and
1% so they don't have to bother thinking tongue slightly in cheek.
Glen Tortorella wrote:
Thank you very much for this input. I have
Make that 98.7%. (Please note this email in not part of the 1.3%)
P. J. Alling wrote:
What, you believe everything you read? Sturgeons law needs to be
updated, to 90% of everything on the Internet is crud.
Tom C wrote:
Foveon X3 in K10D?
Tom C.
From: Glen Tortorella
Tasty with fish?
Bob Blakely wrote:
Don't forget Coles Law.
Regards,
Bob...
Life isn't like a box of chocolates . .
it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow.
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Unless he has changed things it will bounce anything not in plain text.
Scott Loveless wrote:
As far
as I know the list mailer sends everything in plain text and will
probably remove any special formatting.
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There is a reason they call a Chow chow.
John Sessoms wrote:
From:
Bob Sullivan
Dave,
The idea about asian restaurants and cats (or dogs) was passed to me
some 30 years ago in the Netherlands. American friends living there
politely declined to go out to eat at those restaurants...something
A job you might check out is pick up and delivery for a dental lab. I did that
once as a temp and it was very pleasant. Went for a ride in the country
everyday
with a bunch of brief stops to smooze with the pretty girls working in the
dentists' offices.
David J Brooks wrote:
Well, the
In Cotty's defense, I would like to point out that the guy who says he shoots
feral cats, also said he had never eaten cat. So there is a certain difference
involved that your comment does not consider.
Gonz wrote:
On 9/3/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 03/09/07, David Savage,
What I find strange is the Australians consider kangaroo pests, and California
considers them an endangered species and have a law against the sale of things
made with kangaroo hide. Must be because they look cute in pictures.
P. J. Alling wrote:
I didn't think that your nanny, err, your
I kind of think that they are capturing abandoned cats. Feral cats are pretty
hard to get near to, although I guess you can live trap them. I wonder what the
cats would chose if they had the choice, neutering or being shot dead? I
suppose
those folks who do that kind of thing, also support the
Anyone else notice that the claimed first virus was on an Apple? Actually I
think that is a rather late date for the first self-replicating program. From
memory I would put it back a few more years. But it does seem that infamy lives
on forever.
Bob W wrote:
do viruses hatch?
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I'm a sucker for schooners whether they sail on the water or are filled with
beer...
John Graves wrote:
Cotty,
It comes from being in the sun too long...Let's try again?
I really did have film..err card in the camera.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/1312835645/
John G.
Let me put some things in perspective. Radford University is co-ed, but Radford
College was not, it was one of those places where society folks sent their
daughters so they would be safe. I kind of doubt that the folks around there
see
much difference in a pornographer and a murderer. The
Wow, a newsman who actually looks for news. How quaint. Can't you just make it
up like everyone else?
GRIN!
Cotty wrote:
On 02/09/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
However I'm not surprised that Cotty found it.
I found it because I read dozens of news web pages a day - and I
I would say non-native humans caused more damage to the local environment than
other imported animals did especially when you realize they are the ones who
imported the animals. However, I have notice that my fellow human beings do
tend
to think they have a right that other living things do
None by this old Michigander GRIN. However, I am pretty glad I am not out
there on the streets.
Bill Owens wrote:
How much celebrating is going on in Boone after the ASU win over Michigan?
Bill
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Oh, nevermind! Just stick a babelfish in your ear.
Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 30, 2007, at 15:38, John Francis wrote:
(H)itch-(H)ikers (G)uide to the (G)alaxy = HHGG = H2G2
Aha! But for the lack of
You can ask whatever you like for something. You may even find someone who
wants it right now that will pay that price. Supply and demand do govern prices
in the final analysis. However, I do find it strange when people bid things up
on ebay when there is another just like it a few items down
for self-delusion whether it is God or Art,
and confuse abstractions with reality (I am no different).
-graywolf
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David Savage wrote:
IMO the whole what is art debate is a big wank.
yes - very tedious indeed. along with what is the meaning of life?
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When I was trying to make a living off photography long ago, I did very poorly
until I tripled my prices. No on wanted to hire me at $32/hour, I did a lot
more business at $100/hour. Almost enough to make a living at it, but not as
much as I made as an electrician.
-graywolf
frank theriault
The last great 35mm SLR? The MX. The only things I can see that would have
improved the MX are better quality seals and a bit of ruggedization. The only
near great after that were the LX and the MZ-S. The did make a lot of consumer
crap although most of them were OK for what they were.
Of
Well I spent the entire day getting one of the 320 gig drives working.
As usual it turned out the problem was my skipping a step in the
reinstall. Then Just after I got it to working the darn $12 ebay
workstaion video card goes by-by, so here I am typing this on the
laptop. Since I am singing
LOL!
Mike Hamilton wrote:
Wedding photography is hard!
I attended a wedding yesterday. It was a fairly low-key affair, and
there was no official photographer. The bride and groom just asked
for the guests to send their digital photos via email after the
wedding. I was also asked
Well, I understand the vikings thought that was the way to go. Dead guy, wife,
kids, cattle, goats, and all their worldly possessions sailing into the sunset
in a burning boat.
David Savage wrote:
Ever notice that no one says they'll be cremated with their favorite camera?!
Cheers,
Well that is better than them being tossed in the trash, I guess. Of course in
another twenty years they may be considered valuable antiques.
-graywolf
Cotty wrote:
On 23/08/07, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:
What is it about the MX and burials? Some time ago I seem to recall
That is a hard one for these folks to understand.
Actually camera stores as I remember them are few and far between. Decades back
a camera store was run by a shutterbug for shutterbugs. They were not there for
mom to drop off the snapshots of the kids to get developed, those went to the
Conscious.
Ethically? That is between you and your organization(s), or your personal
feelings on the matter.
So, in two out of three cases it is a matter for you to determine.
-graywolf, Grouchy Old Fart
Rebekah wrote:
Yesterday, I drove by the site of the Charleston Sofa Super Store
fire
Besides the image is only 36x23.9mm how do they get off calling that full
frame? Its BS, Nikon will never make a full frame D-SLR. No one will ever buy
it...
Just thought I would get a jump on the rest of the posters.
David J Brooks wrote:
HAR.
I'm never buying anything from Nikon that
imagine
anyone that did not agree with me. Nothing exists if I am not there to see it.
There is a word for that kind of psychosis but I can not think of it right at
the moment.
frank theriault wrote:
On 8/22/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
graywolf wrote:
[...] Personally I
Then you got cheated by the seller. Rechargeable D cells are now up to 5000mah
to 15000mah (why are they still using milli-amp-hours when such capacities are
better expressed in amp-hours?), no way you will get that out of a AA cell. You
can by those collars to use AA or AAA cells in place of
This again, does it have to be good to be art? Personally I believe the intent
of the artist, good or bad is what makes something art. The question then
becomes not Is it art, but Is it good art?
OTOH, if the all pretentious critics insist it is art, when the producer had no
such intention,
I still remember the guy dragging that roll of film on the floor along behind
him as he came to the counter it see what I wanted. So, yes, I think it does
make a difference where you take it. But the unfortunate fact is that that is
subject to change day to day. I mean that kid is probably
I like the Camera Clinic better than NPW. This was the first year I missed
since I started going, an that was only because I spent so much money on the
new computer. Of course I have never been a nature photographer.
frank theriault wrote:
On 8/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No fair, Paul, you are a ringer, a pro amongst all those snap shooters. Also
you and the last guy (he could have done a bit photoshopping on that pavement)
had the advantage of owning the car you shot, so you could control the location.
The photo is of course excellent. I would not have
I was using good in the sense of well done, not in the sense of valuable
or worthwhile. Good art to me is art done by an artist who has the skills
needed to translate his ideas into his chosen media.
frank theriault wrote:
On 8/22/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This again, does
Ah, so only you know if something is art? And if it is not art to you it is
crap?
On the other hand I will give you an example of something I think was good art.
In a waiting room was this rather banal looking painting of a small fishing
town on a stormy day. As I sat there waiting my
If it is written down it is truth, if someone says it it is BS. That is the
rule. After all who would go to the trouble and expense of writing down
something that was not true (maniacal laughter)?
Norm Baugher wrote:
It's amazing what circulates around the net as truth...
Norm
keith_w
Did you know you were on the Appalachian Trail?
It goes along the top of the dam, for those who wonder what I am talking about.
Mat Maessen wrote:
http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/roadtrip2007/IMGP1619.jpg.html
This is Fontana Dam, in NC, taken on the Monday after the GFM nature
not matter what you or I or anyone other than
the artist thinks. But I firmly believe art has to be intentional, if it is not
it is just happenstance.
frank theriault wrote:
I'm glad the piece that you saw became appreciated by you as art. I
think you're agreeing with me, though, Graywolf
LOL! Puts it into a framework, it does.
Did you notice that the only thing I said was essential to art was the artist's
intent that it be art? On the other hand intent has nothing to do with physics,
despite what some ignoramuses may have said. I think that is distinction enough.
OTOH, What
It's that stuff you wrap your sandwich in, dummy grin.
Norm Baugher wrote:
Film? What's film?
Rebekah wrote:
Hey all
Been reading but not talking for a while, but surprise! I'm still
here. Pug this month was awesome, some of those pictures were
beautiful and it's always neat to see what
of it, it never was.
-graywolf
Rebekah wrote:
well shoot, that's pretty depressing. At least I'm glad I don't have
professional-grade photos online that are worth stealing! Anways,
thanks for all the info guys.
rg2
On 8/21/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rebekah wrote
of that.
-graywolf
Matt Johnson wrote:
Problem is that you don't even get archival till you hit the epson
R800 inks and above, and i really don't think highly of that printer.
I would maintain a cheap bw printer like graywolf does, and look into
an R1800 (this guy is about $500) or above for your
or luster is OK with
you and your clients I would say it is Good Enough.
Each generation of inkjet printers get better. The R200 was the first one that
really seemed to be up to snuff. Of course it is now a couple of generations
old so hopefully the newer ones are even better.
-graywolf
Thibouille
That's a keeper.
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Retouched:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg
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each cost more than
that. To which I reply, Yes but the toners are good for hundreds or thousands
of pages, the ink carts are good for about 20-30 photos.
That said I use a BW laser for all text printing, and the Epson only for
photos and CD's.
-graywolf
Thibouille wrote:
My Epson colour laser
add a few drops of ethanol to a cap full of the
distilled water.
-graywolf
John Graves wrote:
I have some persistent dust on the mirror and screen of my DS. Do I
want to use the same cleaning pads fluids as recommended for the sensor?
John G.
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SLR's however.
-graywolf
John Graves wrote:
Graywolf,
Thanks for the response. The dust on the mirror (I think?) has not
responded to the blower/brush attack. Have you tried the sensor brush,
and is it more effective than a plain brush? Nothing huge and chunky on
the mirror but I see
That is not a custom truck, you can go down to your IH dealer and buy one. They
are intended for pulling heavy fifth-wheel travel-trailers (caravans for our
Olde English speakers).
Anthony Farr wrote:
Very cool. I've been waiting years to see somebody give that treatment to a
prime mover,
It popped up when I was testing this new computer, Are you sure you want to
open 28 files?. There was definitely an incredulous tone to it.
I figured, Sure I will go get a cup of coffee while you are loading them, and
hit Yes.
No coffee, they just all popped up in Camera Raw in less than a
By the looks of the radiator, I would say it is a Bugatti.
graywolf
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http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
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I think it's a 1930s race car. Probably an Indy car. The maker
Congratulations.
Returning to normal, huh?
graywolf
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