Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
I was thinking red shifted like far away stars. Their prices are likely to be astronomical. On 4/11/2018 18:14, Bill wrote: On 4/11/2018 2:22 PM, Gonz wrote: Some interesting things I had not heard of in there. I wonder what the red strips mean: "not likely to be built"? I suspect those lenses might be considered if the lenses they are committed to sell in great enough numbers. Ricoh will support the brand to an extent, but they won't put pail fulls of money into Pentax if the return doesn't look like it's going to be there. Having said that, I expect the same thing goes for all the brands. What we have going for Pentax is that Ricoh willingly bought the brand, so there is some commitment to it. Canon is little more than a sideshow to a megacorp, Nikon is a semi standalone division of Mitsubishi, Sony is on record stating that they are throwing money at the wall to see what sticks. If cameras stop sticking, they are out. The only company I am really sure of is Fuji. bill -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/11/2018 2:22 PM, Gonz wrote: Some interesting things I had not heard of in there. I wonder what the red strips mean: "not likely to be built"? I suspect those lenses might be considered if the lenses they are committed to sell in great enough numbers. Ricoh will support the brand to an extent, but they won't put pail fulls of money into Pentax if the return doesn't look like it's going to be there. Having said that, I expect the same thing goes for all the brands. What we have going for Pentax is that Ricoh willingly bought the brand, so there is some commitment to it. Canon is little more than a sideshow to a megacorp, Nikon is a semi standalone division of Mitsubishi, Sony is on record stating that they are throwing money at the wall to see what sticks. If cameras stop sticking, they are out. The only company I am really sure of is Fuji. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Some interesting things I had not heard of in there. I wonder what the red strips mean: "not likely to be built"? On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Bill wrote: > On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: >> >> It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At >> one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? >> > > https://pentaxrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Pentax-K-mount-lens-roadmap-487x550.jpg > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/10/2018 6:39 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Mine is up on eBay at the moment (reluctantly), it's a gorgeous lens, better than the FA* version but its AF sucks and I need AF these days so it's more a lovely curio for me. Given its status as a collectors piece and the condition of my copy I've put a premium on it, if I get no bites I get to keep it. That's a couple of hundred more than I paid for mine 10 years or so ago, but yours has the original box and case. I just have the lens. Good luck selling it. I suspect the new one will cost about what you are asking. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/10/2018 5:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The A* 85/1.4 is a collectible. You could probably sell it for more than the new 85 will cost. Of course I’m not sure I’d be willing to part with it. I guarantee you I'm not. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 07:30:04PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I want the 85/1.4. Bigly. > > Paul I must admit I'm kind of interested in this, but probably not enough to pay the kind of money it's likely to sell for. And, realistically, I'd be unlikely to use it anywhere near enough to warrant buying it. The most promising thing, for me, in the Ricoh interview is that they do still seem to be planning a future high-end APS-C model. I would probably buy that, although it will almost certainly be the last DSLR I'll ever buy. My K-5 still works just fine for most of what I do, but one last sensor and AF upgrade would probably tempt me enough. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mine is up on eBay at the moment (reluctantly), it's a gorgeous lens, better than the FA* version but its AF sucks and I need AF these days so it's more a lovely curio for me. Given its status as a collectors piece and the condition of my copy I've put a premium on it, if I get no bites I get to keep it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/123060327807?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 On 11 April 2018 at 09:54, Paul Stenquist wrote: > The A* 85/1.4 is a collectible. You could probably sell it for more than the > new 85 will cost. Of course I’m not sure I’d be willing to part with it. > > Paul > >> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Bill wrote: >> >>> On 4/10/2018 5:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> I want the 85/1.4. Big time. >> I would to, but I'm not shooting enough portraiture anymore to justify it, >> and am not making enough money these days to be able to buy it without >> justifying it. >> Also, I have an A*85/1.4, which seems to be a decent enough lens. >> I might break down and buy the 70-200/4 if it's halfway affordable. >> >> bill >> >> Oh, I fixed your post for you. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The A* 85/1.4 is a collectible. You could probably sell it for more than the new 85 will cost. Of course I’m not sure I’d be willing to part with it. Paul > On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/10/2018 5:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> I want the 85/1.4. Big time. > I would to, but I'm not shooting enough portraiture anymore to justify it, > and am not making enough money these days to be able to buy it without > justifying it. > Also, I have an A*85/1.4, which seems to be a decent enough lens. > I might break down and buy the 70-200/4 if it's halfway affordable. > > bill > > Oh, I fixed your post for you. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/10/2018 5:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I want the 85/1.4. Big time. I would to, but I'm not shooting enough portraiture anymore to justify it, and am not making enough money these days to be able to buy it without justifying it. Also, I have an A*85/1.4, which seems to be a decent enough lens. I might break down and buy the 70-200/4 if it's halfway affordable. bill Oh, I fixed your post for you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I want the 85/1.4. Bigly. Paul > On Apr 10, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/9/2018 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Thanks. Much better. > > Note that they are only committing (kind of) to the 85/1.4 and 70-200/4 next > year. Everything else, you can be pretty sure will be in the "later" column. > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/9/2018 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks. Much better. Note that they are only committing (kind of) to the 85/1.4 and 70-200/4 next year. Everything else, you can be pretty sure will be in the "later" column. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks. Much better. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:21 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: >> It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At >> one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? > > Here, this one is better: > http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_Lens.pdf > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This page is so low res, the lens names can’t be read. It also comes with a warning from Safari that it may be a phishing site and has an expired certificate. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: >> It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At >> one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? > > https://pentaxrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Pentax-K-mount-lens-roadmap-487x550.jpg > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? Here, this one is better: http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_Lens.pdf bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/9/2018 3:05 PM, Gonz wrote: It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? https://pentaxrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Pentax-K-mount-lens-roadmap-487x550.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Henk Terhell wrote: Op 2018-04-09 om 19:51 schreef Larry Colen: I have the 15-30 which I bought because better wide angle was the majority of the point of going full frame (for me anyways, with everything else but low light the visible difference in quality very very subtle). I also bought the rokinon 24/1.4 for night time wide angle work. It's a very nice lens. If you want wide angle primes and don't need autofocus, rokinon makes some very nice gear. The 24/1.4 is reputed to be the optically best astrolandscape lens available. Thanks Larry, I may consider this or the 20/1.8 for landscape work, though I would prefer AF. BTW I have a Sigma 20/1.8 and have done some nice work with it, though my relationship with it is rather fraught. Sometimes it's great, sometimes we don't get along. The image quality is good, but not excellent. I don't know about other 20/1.8. Rokinon lenses are branded here as Samyang I understand. Rokinon, Samyang, Bowers, Vivitar and possibly others here. Henk -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Op 2018-04-09 om 19:51 schreef Larry Colen: I have the 15-30 which I bought because better wide angle was the majority of the point of going full frame (for me anyways, with everything else but low light the visible difference in quality very very subtle). I also bought the rokinon 24/1.4 for night time wide angle work. It's a very nice lens. If you want wide angle primes and don't need autofocus, rokinon makes some very nice gear. The 24/1.4 is reputed to be the optically best astrolandscape lens available. Thanks Larry, I may consider this or the 20/1.8 for landscape work, though I would prefer AF. Rokinon lenses are branded here as Samyang I understand. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It'd be nice to get a glimpse into their lens release timeline. At one point there was one. Has there been an update? Anyone know? On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Bill wrote: > On 4/9/2018 8:45 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> Pentax released four bloated zooms with the K-1 or just slightly prior to >> its release. I was quite happy with that decision, because it meant that I >> could cover al my focal length needs for now and gradually add some primes. >> And the zooms seem to be at least the equal of last generation primes in >> terms of sharpness and definition. > > > Right you are. Apparently wearing mittens against this unending winter is > affecting my ability to count on my fingers. I wasn't unhappy with the > decision because it indicated that Ricoh was, at least, taking things > relatively seriously, even though I would have preferred a series of > thoughtfully spaced out primes. The zooms are nice, but for my taste, far > too large, and I'm not much for zooms anyway. > > What I am finding really dumb is people lambasting Ricoh because their pet > focal length isn't the first one to be released without looking at the logic > behind the release. > Would I be unhappy if they let out a 20mm or an 85mm first? I wouldn't be as > happy as I am that they are releasing my pet focal length first (sometimes > it pays to be a one man profit center for a company, it seems), but I > wouldn't be pissing and moaning on various forums about it either. > At least I can say that here. I got ran off the forum of Pentax neurosis on > a rail by their fucktard moderation team for saying much the same thing. > > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Rokinon sounds like an option I should look into... On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Henk Terhell wrote: >> >> Gonz, I entirely agree with you. >> Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for >> landscape work, preferably as a prime. >> Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line >> of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the K-1 >> itself. > > > I have the 15-30 which I bought because better wide angle was the majority > of the point of going full frame (for me anyways, with everything else but > low light the visible difference in quality very very subtle). I also > bought the rokinon 24/1.4 for night time wide angle work. It's a very nice > lens. > > If you want wide angle primes and don't need autofocus, rokinon makes some > very nice gear. The 24/1.4 is reputed to be the optically best > astrolandscape lens available. > > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Henk Terhell wrote: Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the K-1 itself. I have the 15-30 which I bought because better wide angle was the majority of the point of going full frame (for me anyways, with everything else but low light the visible difference in quality very very subtle). I also bought the rokinon 24/1.4 for night time wide angle work. It's a very nice lens. If you want wide angle primes and don't need autofocus, rokinon makes some very nice gear. The 24/1.4 is reputed to be the optically best astrolandscape lens available. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/9/2018 9:03 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I agree. The whining is silly. I might have preferred something other than the 50mm as a first prime, but it does make a lot of sense. And I look forward to owning it. Hopefully it will coincide with the official release of the K1-II and be out later this month. I think the camera is set to release on the 20th or thereabouts. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry Henk, I sent that to you off list. I'm starting to despise Thunderbird. On 4/9/2018 9:02 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: You may be right as to pentax decisions, but for ff there is now by pentax a 50, a 77, and a 100 (macro) but nothing at all in the wide angle prime range below 35. Fair points, and one can use the 77 and 100 to justify a delay in an 85mm release. Granted it's perhaps harder to justify a delay in a wide compared to a 50, but remember that camera testers such as DPReview use the standard lens (50mm in this case) to test camera output. In this climate of everything must be perfect or it's crap, it makes sense to have an excellent standard, if for no other reason than to keep the measurbators happy. If you want an excellent wide angle, the 15-30 is a really good lens, and about as fast as the primes in that range likely will be, or at least need to be. If you want a really good fast standard, it simply doesn't exist from Pentax right now. The 50/2.8 macro is excellent but not fast, the FA50/1.4 is fast but not excellent, the 55/1.4 is fast and excellent, but doesn't cover the format. By the way, I use my 50/2.8 macro a lot but can't recall I used it wide open. I now use my 50/1.4 only rarely in a theater. Macro lenses tend to not be used wide open. It's the nature of the beast. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree. The whining is silly. I might have preferred something other than the 50mm as a first prime, but it does make a lot of sense. And I look forward to owning it. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Bill wrote: > > On 4/9/2018 8:45 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Pentax released four bloated zooms with the K-1 or just slightly prior to >> its release. I was quite happy with that decision, because it meant that I >> could cover al my focal length needs for now and gradually add some primes. >> And the zooms seem to be at least the equal of last generation primes in >> terms of sharpness and definition. > > Right you are. Apparently wearing mittens against this unending winter is > affecting my ability to count on my fingers. I wasn't unhappy with the > decision because it indicated that Ricoh was, at least, taking things > relatively seriously, even though I would have preferred a series of > thoughtfully spaced out primes. The zooms are nice, but for my taste, far too > large, and I'm not much for zooms anyway. > > What I am finding really dumb is people lambasting Ricoh because their pet > focal length isn't the first one to be released without looking at the logic > behind the release. > Would I be unhappy if they let out a 20mm or an 85mm first? I wouldn't be as > happy as I am that they are releasing my pet focal length first (sometimes it > pays to be a one man profit center for a company, it seems), but I wouldn't > be pissing and moaning on various forums about it either. > At least I can say that here. I got ran off the forum of Pentax neurosis on a > rail by their fucktard moderation team for saying much the same thing. > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Op 2018-04-09 om 16:37 schreef Bill: On 4/9/2018 2:05 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the K-1 itself. I'm glad to still own an old Sigma 24/2.8 macro which is doing fairly well except for flare. A few months ago I bought a very cheap old Cosina MC 19-35 /3.5-4.6 to get a bit wider. I know there are some TP manual wide angle lenses being offered (Samyang, Venus, Irix) but going back to all manual is not the way I want. Further I wonder who will be interested in another 50 mm lens except a few 50 collectors. There are still plenty of 50/2.8 macro and FA 50/F1.4 around to do the job, and I doubt whether the new 50 will beat my Pentax F 50/2.8 macro on sharpness. One can justify the new 50mm on the basis it's the standard lens for the format, which makes it a logical starting point. The other option is to throw darts at a board blindfolded and decide by luck what order to release lenses in. You want a wide angle, so they release a 24mm first, except you really want a 20mm, so you aren't happy, and the people who want something longer aren't happy either. They release an 85mm first, and all the people who want something shorter aren't happy. And let's not forget those photographers who want a 105mm or 135mm. Gotta keep them happy, and on and on. It doesn't matter what they release first, they are going to tick of some people who take it as a personal insult that their pet focal length wasn't the one drawn out of the hat. There are some focal lengths that are no brainer must haves in a lens system. Ricoh's failing was not releasing half a dozen primes concurrent with the K1. Instead they gamely attempted to be all things to all people by releasing 3 bloated zooms covering a very wide range, and in the process satisfied almost no one. As an aside, your 50/2.8 may well be a very good lens, but I bet the new 50 will be better at f/1.4 than your 50/2.8 bill You may be right as to pentax decisions, but for ff there is now by pentax a 50, a 77, and a 100 (macro) but nothing at all in the wide angle prime range below 35. By the way, I use my 50/2.8 macro a lot but can't recall I used it wide open. I now use my 50/1.4 only rarely in a theater. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/9/2018 8:45 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Pentax released four bloated zooms with the K-1 or just slightly prior to its release. I was quite happy with that decision, because it meant that I could cover al my focal length needs for now and gradually add some primes. And the zooms seem to be at least the equal of last generation primes in terms of sharpness and definition. Right you are. Apparently wearing mittens against this unending winter is affecting my ability to count on my fingers. I wasn't unhappy with the decision because it indicated that Ricoh was, at least, taking things relatively seriously, even though I would have preferred a series of thoughtfully spaced out primes. The zooms are nice, but for my taste, far too large, and I'm not much for zooms anyway. What I am finding really dumb is people lambasting Ricoh because their pet focal length isn't the first one to be released without looking at the logic behind the release. Would I be unhappy if they let out a 20mm or an 85mm first? I wouldn't be as happy as I am that they are releasing my pet focal length first (sometimes it pays to be a one man profit center for a company, it seems), but I wouldn't be pissing and moaning on various forums about it either. At least I can say that here. I got ran off the forum of Pentax neurosis on a rail by their fucktard moderation team for saying much the same thing. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax released four bloated zooms with the K-1 or just slightly prior to its release. I was quite happy with that decision, because it meant that I could cover al my focal length needs for now and gradually add some primes. And the zooms seem to be at least the equal of last generation primes in terms of sharpness and definition. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Bill wrote: > > On 4/9/2018 2:05 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: >> Gonz, I entirely agree with you. >> Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape >> work, preferably as a prime. >> Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of >> Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the K-1 itself. >> I'm glad to still own an old Sigma 24/2.8 macro which is doing fairly well >> except for flare. >> A few months ago I bought a very cheap old Cosina MC 19-35 /3.5-4.6 to get a >> bit wider. >> I know there are some TP manual wide angle lenses being offered (Samyang, >> Venus, Irix) but going back to all manual is not the way I want. >> Further I wonder who will be interested in another 50 mm lens except a few >> 50 collectors. >> There are still plenty of 50/2.8 macro and FA 50/F1.4 around to do the job, >> and I doubt whether the new 50 will beat my Pentax F 50/2.8 macro on >> sharpness. > >>> >>> > One can justify the new 50mm on the basis it's the standard lens for the > format, which makes it a logical starting point. > > The other option is to throw darts at a board blindfolded and decide by luck > what order to release lenses in. > > You want a wide angle, so they release a 24mm first, except you really want a > 20mm, so you aren't happy, and the people who want something longer aren't > happy either. > They release an 85mm first, and all the people who want something shorter > aren't happy. > And let's not forget those photographers who want a 105mm or 135mm. > Gotta keep them happy, and on and on. > > It doesn't matter what they release first, they are going to tick of some > people who take it as a personal insult that their pet focal length wasn't > the one drawn out of the hat. > > There are some focal lengths that are no brainer must haves in a lens system. > Ricoh's failing was not releasing half a dozen primes concurrent with the K1. > Instead they gamely attempted to be all things to all people by releasing 3 > bloated zooms covering a very wide range, and in the process satisfied almost > no one. > > As an aside, your 50/2.8 may well be a very good lens, but I bet the new 50 > will be better at f/1.4 than your 50/2.8 > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/9/2018 2:05 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the K-1 itself. I'm glad to still own an old Sigma 24/2.8 macro which is doing fairly well except for flare. A few months ago I bought a very cheap old Cosina MC 19-35 /3.5-4.6 to get a bit wider. I know there are some TP manual wide angle lenses being offered (Samyang, Venus, Irix) but going back to all manual is not the way I want. Further I wonder who will be interested in another 50 mm lens except a few 50 collectors. There are still plenty of 50/2.8 macro and FA 50/F1.4 around to do the job, and I doubt whether the new 50 will beat my Pentax F 50/2.8 macro on sharpness. One can justify the new 50mm on the basis it's the standard lens for the format, which makes it a logical starting point. The other option is to throw darts at a board blindfolded and decide by luck what order to release lenses in. You want a wide angle, so they release a 24mm first, except you really want a 20mm, so you aren't happy, and the people who want something longer aren't happy either. They release an 85mm first, and all the people who want something shorter aren't happy. And let's not forget those photographers who want a 105mm or 135mm. Gotta keep them happy, and on and on. It doesn't matter what they release first, they are going to tick of some people who take it as a personal insult that their pet focal length wasn't the one drawn out of the hat. There are some focal lengths that are no brainer must haves in a lens system. Ricoh's failing was not releasing half a dozen primes concurrent with the K1. Instead they gamely attempted to be all things to all people by releasing 3 bloated zooms covering a very wide range, and in the process satisfied almost no one. As an aside, your 50/2.8 may well be a very good lens, but I bet the new 50 will be better at f/1.4 than your 50/2.8 bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I get good results matching the D FA 150-450 with the DA 1.4X converter. It’s a very sharp combination and provides 630 mm reach. The converter causes minor vignetting but most of my bird photos are crops anyway. When I do need the full frame, I can clone out the vignette quite easily. I’ve also used the 150-450 with the A2X S converter. It’s manual focus of course, but the focus aids on the K-1 work well, so even my old eyes can usually focus on a small bird. And 900mm reach is a boon at times. Paul > On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Gonz wrote: > > I'm sure its very nice at about 450mm with that convertor, but it > shows my point that you have to get one used. Pentax is not making > them anymore. I have a A* 300 2.8 with a 1.4x tele, but sometimes the > reach is not enough. It was barely enough for the solar eclipse > recently. A 600 would have been much better. And I know that the DA > 560 can be used full frame, though there is going to be some amount of > vignetting with its image circle. I don't know how bad though. Wide > is where I really could use a prime. they are making some pretty wide > full frames out there, but never in Pentax mount. I have an old Sigma > 15-30 that is somewhat adequate, though I would ideally like a prime > so that its widest aperture could afford better milky way shots. > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>> Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? >> >> >> Gonz , you couldn't ask for a better birding lens than the 300mm f4.5 FA - >> that along with a HD-DA 1.4 AF rear convertor gives you a a powerful birding >> lens - check out the images on the Pantax Gallery. >> I've had one ever since they came out and it is one of my most used lenses - >> has never given me any trouble. >> >> Yeah, I know its not available new but I do see them used from time to time. >> >> >> >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >> >> - Original Message - Subject: Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's >> resources are spread pretty thin... >> >> >> >>> I don't expect Pentax to be releasing mirrorless cameras rivaling >>> Sony's or anyones for that matter. Or I don't expect them to produce a >>> camera aimed at the professional sports photographer market. But their >>> particular niche, which I would say is aspiring amateur photographers >>> that like small form-factor cameras with lenses that are not >>> necessarily the sharpest, but take a more balanced approach to the >>> overall look of the images, seems to be more and more encroached by >>> the likes of Sony, Fuji, etc. In addition, things that are nice to >>> have, like a nice flash, teleconverters, etc. are pretty much >>> non-existent or exist only in old versions that you have to turn to >>> ebay to acquire. Finally, the dearth of new lens offerings from >>> Pentax, esp nice primes suitable for full frame digital with modern >>> autofocus, basically have stopped coming with the exception of the 50 >>> later this year. Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? Or a >>> prime wide angle? The real sign however is the lack of support from >>> third parties. Everytime a nice lens comes out from Sigma, or some of >>> the newer players such as Laoa, the Pentax version is not there. >>> Given the lack of new primes coming from Pentax, I would love it if >>> Sigma art series lenses were available for the K-1, but alas, few are. >>> I thought for sure the enthusiastic response from the photog community >>> to the K-1 would have resulted in more investment from Ricoh to keep >>> the momentum going, but it appears that they have pulled back instead. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:12 AM, John wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, *IF* I was running Pentax (and yes, I know I'm not), what actual >>>> customers who bought previous models had to say about them would be "my" >>>> starting point for developing new models and for improving older ones. >>>> >>>> What did "we" get right? What did "we" get wrong? What do the customers >>>> say >>>> they want and are waiting to buy? I understand that granting everything >>>> on >>>> the customer's wish lists would be impossible, but the engineers should >>>> be >>>> at least thinking about them. >>>> >>>> I'm sure Pentax knows that; I think that's what Mr. Takashi Arai
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
I'm sure its very nice at about 450mm with that convertor, but it shows my point that you have to get one used. Pentax is not making them anymore. I have a A* 300 2.8 with a 1.4x tele, but sometimes the reach is not enough. It was barely enough for the solar eclipse recently. A 600 would have been much better. And I know that the DA 560 can be used full frame, though there is going to be some amount of vignetting with its image circle. I don't know how bad though. Wide is where I really could use a prime. they are making some pretty wide full frames out there, but never in Pentax mount. I have an old Sigma 15-30 that is somewhat adequate, though I would ideally like a prime so that its widest aperture could afford better milky way shots. On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >> Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? > > > Gonz , you couldn't ask for a better birding lens than the 300mm f4.5 FA - > that along with a HD-DA 1.4 AF rear convertor gives you a a powerful birding > lens - check out the images on the Pantax Gallery. > I've had one ever since they came out and it is one of my most used lenses - > has never given me any trouble. > > Yeah, I know its not available new but I do see them used from time to time. > > > > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's > resources are spread pretty thin... > > > >> I don't expect Pentax to be releasing mirrorless cameras rivaling >> Sony's or anyones for that matter. Or I don't expect them to produce a >> camera aimed at the professional sports photographer market. But their >> particular niche, which I would say is aspiring amateur photographers >> that like small form-factor cameras with lenses that are not >> necessarily the sharpest, but take a more balanced approach to the >> overall look of the images, seems to be more and more encroached by >> the likes of Sony, Fuji, etc. In addition, things that are nice to >> have, like a nice flash, teleconverters, etc. are pretty much >> non-existent or exist only in old versions that you have to turn to >> ebay to acquire. Finally, the dearth of new lens offerings from >> Pentax, esp nice primes suitable for full frame digital with modern >> autofocus, basically have stopped coming with the exception of the 50 >> later this year. Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? Or a >> prime wide angle? The real sign however is the lack of support from >> third parties. Everytime a nice lens comes out from Sigma, or some of >> the newer players such as Laoa, the Pentax version is not there. >> Given the lack of new primes coming from Pentax, I would love it if >> Sigma art series lenses were available for the K-1, but alas, few are. >> I thought for sure the enthusiastic response from the photog community >> to the K-1 would have resulted in more investment from Ricoh to keep >> the momentum going, but it appears that they have pulled back instead. >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:12 AM, John wrote: >>> >>> Well, *IF* I was running Pentax (and yes, I know I'm not), what actual >>> customers who bought previous models had to say about them would be "my" >>> starting point for developing new models and for improving older ones. >>> >>> What did "we" get right? What did "we" get wrong? What do the customers >>> say >>> they want and are waiting to buy? I understand that granting everything >>> on >>> the customer's wish lists would be impossible, but the engineers should >>> be >>> at least thinking about them. >>> >>> I'm sure Pentax knows that; I think that's what Mr. Takashi Arai was >>> trying >>> to explain. >>> >>> Plus, I think you have to account for the interviewer's bias in favor of >>> "mirrorless" cameras and what role it played in how the article was >>> edited & >>> what they chose to quote from the longer interview. >>> >>> Basically, Takashi Arai said Pentax (& Ricoh) are sticking with what they >>> already do well and aren't going to neglect those things to go off >>> chasing >>> rainbows & unicorns ... for now. >>> >>> >>> On 4/8/2018 02:42, mike wilson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I suppose another interpretation might be that Pentax doesn't _receive_ >>>> much >>>> feedback on new model direction but mostly on ex
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
Gonz, I entirely agree with you. Ever since I owned the K-1 I am looking for a wide angle lens for landscape work, preferably as a prime. Something in the range of 20 or 24 mm. But there is nothing in the line of Pentax except the FA 15-30/2.8 which is about the price of the K-1 itself. I'm glad to still own an old Sigma 24/2.8 macro which is doing fairly well except for flare. A few months ago I bought a very cheap old Cosina MC 19-35 /3.5-4.6 to get a bit wider. I know there are some TP manual wide angle lenses being offered (Samyang, Venus, Irix) but going back to all manual is not the way I want. Further I wonder who will be interested in another 50 mm lens except a few 50 collectors. There are still plenty of 50/2.8 macro and FA 50/F1.4 around to do the job, and I doubt whether the new 50 will beat my Pentax F 50/2.8 macro on sharpness. Henk Op 2018-04-09 om 00:54 schreef Gonz: I don't expect Pentax to be releasing mirrorless cameras rivaling Sony's or anyones for that matter. Or I don't expect them to produce a camera aimed at the professional sports photographer market. But their particular niche, which I would say is aspiring amateur photographers that like small form-factor cameras with lenses that are not necessarily the sharpest, but take a more balanced approach to the overall look of the images, seems to be more and more encroached by the likes of Sony, Fuji, etc. In addition, things that are nice to have, like a nice flash, teleconverters, etc. are pretty much non-existent or exist only in old versions that you have to turn to ebay to acquire. Finally, the dearth of new lens offerings from Pentax, esp nice primes suitable for full frame digital with modern autofocus, basically have stopped coming with the exception of the 50 later this year. Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? Or a prime wide angle? The real sign however is the lack of support from third parties. Everytime a nice lens comes out from Sigma, or some of the newer players such as Laoa, the Pentax version is not there. Given the lack of new primes coming from Pentax, I would love it if Sigma art series lenses were available for the K-1, but alas, few are. I thought for sure the enthusiastic response from the photog community to the K-1 would have resulted in more investment from Ricoh to keep the momentum going, but it appears that they have pulled back instead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? Gonz , you couldn't ask for a better birding lens than the 300mm f4.5 FA - that along with a HD-DA 1.4 AF rear convertor gives you a a powerful birding lens - check out the images on the Pantax Gallery. I've had one ever since they came out and it is one of my most used lenses - has never given me any trouble. Yeah, I know its not available new but I do see them used from time to time. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - Subject: Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin... I don't expect Pentax to be releasing mirrorless cameras rivaling Sony's or anyones for that matter. Or I don't expect them to produce a camera aimed at the professional sports photographer market. But their particular niche, which I would say is aspiring amateur photographers that like small form-factor cameras with lenses that are not necessarily the sharpest, but take a more balanced approach to the overall look of the images, seems to be more and more encroached by the likes of Sony, Fuji, etc. In addition, things that are nice to have, like a nice flash, teleconverters, etc. are pretty much non-existent or exist only in old versions that you have to turn to ebay to acquire. Finally, the dearth of new lens offerings from Pentax, esp nice primes suitable for full frame digital with modern autofocus, basically have stopped coming with the exception of the 50 later this year. Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? Or a prime wide angle? The real sign however is the lack of support from third parties. Everytime a nice lens comes out from Sigma, or some of the newer players such as Laoa, the Pentax version is not there. Given the lack of new primes coming from Pentax, I would love it if Sigma art series lenses were available for the K-1, but alas, few are. I thought for sure the enthusiastic response from the photog community to the K-1 would have resulted in more investment from Ricoh to keep the momentum going, but it appears that they have pulled back instead. On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:12 AM, John wrote: Well, *IF* I was running Pentax (and yes, I know I'm not), what actual customers who bought previous models had to say about them would be "my" starting point for developing new models and for improving older ones. What did "we" get right? What did "we" get wrong? What do the customers say they want and are waiting to buy? I understand that granting everything on the customer's wish lists would be impossible, but the engineers should be at least thinking about them. I'm sure Pentax knows that; I think that's what Mr. Takashi Arai was trying to explain. Plus, I think you have to account for the interviewer's bias in favor of "mirrorless" cameras and what role it played in how the article was edited & what they chose to quote from the longer interview. Basically, Takashi Arai said Pentax (& Ricoh) are sticking with what they already do well and aren't going to neglect those things to go off chasing rainbows & unicorns ... for now. On 4/8/2018 02:42, mike wilson wrote: I suppose another interpretation might be that Pentax doesn't _receive_ much feedback on new model direction but mostly on existing models. On 07 April 2018 at 18:39 John wrote: The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the improvements were driven (in part) by customer feedback and that feedback was also the reason for the "upgrade" being available for existing K-1's On 4/7/2018 11:00, Alex Sarbu wrote: I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement.", or "This form factor is iconic for the Theta. We think it’s important. On the other hand, if there is demand, we would like flexibly to think about any other possibilities, even for other form factors." telling the complete opposite. Actually I'm not sure what he meant... but let's not forget, he's a Japanese speaking in a foreign language. Maybe they decided on the upgrade because of the feedback? Maybe people are offering feedback on the upgrade? But it can't be not incorporating our feedback into new products... the K-1 itself was made because we demanded it. OTOH... people's demands are all over the place, often mutually exclusive. Listening doesn't mean meeting all our requests. Alex -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't expect Pentax to be releasing mirrorless cameras rivaling Sony's or anyones for that matter. Or I don't expect them to produce a camera aimed at the professional sports photographer market. But their particular niche, which I would say is aspiring amateur photographers that like small form-factor cameras with lenses that are not necessarily the sharpest, but take a more balanced approach to the overall look of the images, seems to be more and more encroached by the likes of Sony, Fuji, etc. In addition, things that are nice to have, like a nice flash, teleconverters, etc. are pretty much non-existent or exist only in old versions that you have to turn to ebay to acquire. Finally, the dearth of new lens offerings from Pentax, esp nice primes suitable for full frame digital with modern autofocus, basically have stopped coming with the exception of the 50 later this year. Where are the nice full frame birding lenses? Or a prime wide angle? The real sign however is the lack of support from third parties. Everytime a nice lens comes out from Sigma, or some of the newer players such as Laoa, the Pentax version is not there. Given the lack of new primes coming from Pentax, I would love it if Sigma art series lenses were available for the K-1, but alas, few are. I thought for sure the enthusiastic response from the photog community to the K-1 would have resulted in more investment from Ricoh to keep the momentum going, but it appears that they have pulled back instead. On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:12 AM, John wrote: > Well, *IF* I was running Pentax (and yes, I know I'm not), what actual > customers who bought previous models had to say about them would be "my" > starting point for developing new models and for improving older ones. > > What did "we" get right? What did "we" get wrong? What do the customers say > they want and are waiting to buy? I understand that granting everything on > the customer's wish lists would be impossible, but the engineers should be > at least thinking about them. > > I'm sure Pentax knows that; I think that's what Mr. Takashi Arai was trying > to explain. > > Plus, I think you have to account for the interviewer's bias in favor of > "mirrorless" cameras and what role it played in how the article was edited & > what they chose to quote from the longer interview. > > Basically, Takashi Arai said Pentax (& Ricoh) are sticking with what they > already do well and aren't going to neglect those things to go off chasing > rainbows & unicorns ... for now. > > > On 4/8/2018 02:42, mike wilson wrote: >> >> I suppose another interpretation might be that Pentax doesn't _receive_ >> much >> feedback on new model direction but mostly on existing models. >> >> >>> On 07 April 2018 at 18:39 John wrote: >>> >>> >>> The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the >>> improvements were driven (in part) by customer feedback and that feedback >>> was also the reason for the "upgrade" being available for existing K-1's >>> >>> On 4/7/2018 11:00, Alex Sarbu wrote: I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement.", or "This form factor is iconic for the Theta. We think it’s important. On the other hand, if there is demand, we would like flexibly to think about any other possibilities, even for other form factors." telling the complete opposite. Actually I'm not sure what he meant... but let's not forget, he's a Japanese speaking in a foreign language. Maybe they decided on the upgrade because of the feedback? Maybe people are offering feedback on the upgrade? But it can't be not incorporating our feedback into new products... the K-1 itself was made because we demanded it. OTOH... people's demands are all over the place, often mutually exclusive. Listening doesn't mean meeting all our requests. Alex > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, *IF* I was running Pentax (and yes, I know I'm not), what actual customers who bought previous models had to say about them would be "my" starting point for developing new models and for improving older ones. What did "we" get right? What did "we" get wrong? What do the customers say they want and are waiting to buy? I understand that granting everything on the customer's wish lists would be impossible, but the engineers should be at least thinking about them. I'm sure Pentax knows that; I think that's what Mr. Takashi Arai was trying to explain. Plus, I think you have to account for the interviewer's bias in favor of "mirrorless" cameras and what role it played in how the article was edited & what they chose to quote from the longer interview. Basically, Takashi Arai said Pentax (& Ricoh) are sticking with what they already do well and aren't going to neglect those things to go off chasing rainbows & unicorns ... for now. On 4/8/2018 02:42, mike wilson wrote: I suppose another interpretation might be that Pentax doesn't _receive_ much feedback on new model direction but mostly on existing models. On 07 April 2018 at 18:39 John wrote: The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the improvements were driven (in part) by customer feedback and that feedback was also the reason for the "upgrade" being available for existing K-1's On 4/7/2018 11:00, Alex Sarbu wrote: I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement.", or "This form factor is iconic for the Theta. We think it’s important. On the other hand, if there is demand, we would like flexibly to think about any other possibilities, even for other form factors." telling the complete opposite. Actually I'm not sure what he meant... but let's not forget, he's a Japanese speaking in a foreign language. Maybe they decided on the upgrade because of the feedback? Maybe people are offering feedback on the upgrade? But it can't be not incorporating our feedback into new products... the K-1 itself was made because we demanded it. OTOH... people's demands are all over the place, often mutually exclusive. Listening doesn't mean meeting all our requests. Alex -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
I suppose another interpretation might be that Pentax doesn't _receive_ much feedback on new model direction but mostly on existing models. > On 07 April 2018 at 18:39 John wrote: > > > The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the > improvements were driven (in part) by customer feedback and that feedback was > also the reason for the "upgrade" being available for existing K-1's > > On 4/7/2018 11:00, Alex Sarbu wrote: > > I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your > > interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We > > have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more > > lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective > > which we would like to implement.", or "This form factor is iconic for the > > Theta. We think it’s important. On the other hand, if there is demand, we > > would like flexibly to think about any other possibilities, even for other > > form factors." telling the complete opposite. > > > > Actually I'm not sure what he meant... but let's not forget, he's a Japanese > > speaking in a foreign language. Maybe they decided on the upgrade because of > > the feedback? Maybe people are offering feedback on the upgrade? But it > > can't > > be not incorporating our feedback into new products... the K-1 itself was > > made because we demanded it. > > > > OTOH... people's demands are all over the place, often mutually exclusive. > > Listening doesn't mean meeting all our requests. > > > > Alex > > > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:35 AM, mike wilson > > wrote: > >> "Feedback, especially from K-1 owners, is more focused on the upgrade > >> services." > >> > >> I see that as saying that feedback is used primarily to upgrade existing > >> models, not on new model direction. > >> > >> > >>> On 07 April 2018 at 08:26 Alex Sarbu wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times in the interview that > >>> owner feedback is very important to them. But I don't see anywhere the > >>> statement you're talking about. > >>> > >>> Alex > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, mike wilson > >>> wrote: > > On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: > > > > > > https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority > > > > > > > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) > > effect on > > new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the > ego > > feels. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
The statement seemed incongruous to me as well, which is why I mentioned it. But it's from a senior manager and it's perfectly clear, despite much of the rest of the article being contradictory. > On 07 April 2018 at 18:39 John wrote: > > > The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the > improvements were driven (in part) by customer feedback and that feedback was > also the reason for the "upgrade" being available for existing K-1's > > On 4/7/2018 11:00, Alex Sarbu wrote: > > I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your > > interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We > > have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more > > lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective > > which we would like to implement.", or "This form factor is iconic for the > > Theta. We think it’s important. On the other hand, if there is demand, we > > would like flexibly to think about any other possibilities, even for other > > form factors." telling the complete opposite. > > > > Actually I'm not sure what he meant... but let's not forget, he's a Japanese > > speaking in a foreign language. Maybe they decided on the upgrade because of > > the feedback? Maybe people are offering feedback on the upgrade? But it > > can't > > be not incorporating our feedback into new products... the K-1 itself was > > made because we demanded it. > > > > OTOH... people's demands are all over the place, often mutually exclusive. > > Listening doesn't mean meeting all our requests. > > > > Alex > > > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:35 AM, mike wilson > > wrote: > >> "Feedback, especially from K-1 owners, is more focused on the upgrade > >> services." > >> > >> I see that as saying that feedback is used primarily to upgrade existing > >> models, not on new model direction. > >> > >> > >>> On 07 April 2018 at 08:26 Alex Sarbu wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times in the interview that > >>> owner feedback is very important to them. But I don't see anywhere the > >>> statement you're talking about. > >>> > >>> Alex > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, mike wilson > >>> wrote: > > On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: > > > > > > https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority > > > > > > > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) > > effect on > > new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the > ego > > feels. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
The impression I got when the K-1 Mark ii was announced was that the improvements were driven (in part) by customer feedback and that feedback was also the reason for the "upgrade" being available for existing K-1's On 4/7/2018 11:00, Alex Sarbu wrote: I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement.", or "This form factor is iconic for the Theta. We think it’s important. On the other hand, if there is demand, we would like flexibly to think about any other possibilities, even for other form factors." telling the complete opposite. Actually I'm not sure what he meant... but let's not forget, he's a Japanese speaking in a foreign language. Maybe they decided on the upgrade because of the feedback? Maybe people are offering feedback on the upgrade? But it can't be not incorporating our feedback into new products... the K-1 itself was made because we demanded it. OTOH... people's demands are all over the place, often mutually exclusive. Listening doesn't mean meeting all our requests. Alex On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:35 AM, mike wilson wrote: "Feedback, especially from K-1 owners, is more focused on the upgrade services." I see that as saying that feedback is used primarily to upgrade existing models, not on new model direction. On 07 April 2018 at 08:26 Alex Sarbu wrote: Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times in the interview that owner feedback is very important to them. But I don't see anywhere the statement you're talking about. Alex On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on > new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the ego > feels. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/7/2018 10:12 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Since they have limited resources, should we expect Limited lenses? ;-) It looks like Limited, in the case of full frame, means practically non existent. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/7/2018 12:57 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the ego feels. Forums Neurotica has long thought that they were more important than they are. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Since they have limited resources, should we expect Limited lenses? ;-) Igor Paul Stenquist Fri, 06 Apr 2018 13:58:29 -0700 wrote: They certainly don’t have unlimited resources but I’m pleased to hear they will concentrate on full frame lenses. Paul On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Gonz wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority I love articles that start out with a great pun: They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
I see, thank you for the clarification. However, I disagree with your interpretation; it can't possibly mean that. We have paragraphs like: "We have lots of requests for lenses, especially from K-1 users. They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement.", or "This form factor is iconic for the Theta. We think it’s important. On the other hand, if there is demand, we would like flexibly to think about any other possibilities, even for other form factors." telling the complete opposite. Actually I'm not sure what he meant... but let's not forget, he's a Japanese speaking in a foreign language. Maybe they decided on the upgrade because of the feedback? Maybe people are offering feedback on the upgrade? But it can't be not incorporating our feedback into new products... the K-1 itself was made because we demanded it. OTOH... people's demands are all over the place, often mutually exclusive. Listening doesn't mean meeting all our requests. Alex On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:35 AM, mike wilson wrote: > "Feedback, especially from K-1 owners, is more focused on the upgrade > services." > > I see that as saying that feedback is used primarily to upgrade existing > models, not on new model direction. > > >> On 07 April 2018 at 08:26 Alex Sarbu wrote: >> >> >> Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times in the interview >> that owner feedback is very important to them. But I don't see >> anywhere the statement you're talking about. >> >> Alex >> >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, mike wilson wrote: >> >> On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority >> >> >> > >> > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on >> > new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the ego >> > feels. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
"Feedback, especially from K-1 owners, is more focused on the upgrade services." I see that as saying that feedback is used primarily to upgrade existing models, not on new model direction. > On 07 April 2018 at 08:26 Alex Sarbu wrote: > > > Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times in the interview > that owner feedback is very important to them. But I don't see > anywhere the statement you're talking about. > > Alex > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: > >> > >> > >> https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority > >> > > > > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on > > new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the ego > > feels. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sounds like Pentax/Ricoh's resources are spread pretty thin...
Interesting statement; as I'm seeing several times in the interview that owner feedback is very important to them. But I don't see anywhere the statement you're talking about. Alex On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, mike wilson wrote: >> On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: >> >> >> https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority >> > > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on new > model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the ego feels. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 06 April 2018 at 21:13 Gonz wrote: > > > https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority > Interesting statement that owner feedback has little (at best) effect on new model develpoment. That will hit some other forums right in the ego feels. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wheras I still have the primes of 28, 35 and 50 from the fim era I very much like to have a ff 20 mm prime at an affordable price. There is such a great gap in ff wide angle range compared to what is available for the APS-C DA lenses. Henk Op 2018-04-06 om 22:57 schreef Paul Stenquist: They certainly don’t have unlimited resources but I’m pleased to hear they will concentrate on full frame lenses. Paul On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Gonz wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority I love articles that start out with a great pun: They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They certainly don’t have unlimited resources but I’m pleased to hear they will concentrate on full frame lenses. Paul > On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Gonz wrote: >> https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority > > I love articles that start out with a great pun: > > They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s > one objective which we would like to implement. > >> >> >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Gonz wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority I love articles that start out with a great pun: They want more lenses that match the higher resolution of the K-1, so that’s one objective which we would like to implement. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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