Re: [PEIRCE-L] Synechism and Peirce's Categories

2024-05-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
tions, or true continua; and the modes of reasoning about these three are quite distinct" (CP 1.283, 1902). In the subsequent sentences, Peirce identifies topical geometry as the study of true continua, then situates both arithmetic (rational numbers) and calculus (real numbers) within the study of infi

[PEIRCE-L] Synechism and Peirce's Categories

2024-05-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
enoscopic sciences? What useful applications of synechism can we identify in the special/idioscopic sciences? What additional insights can we gain from further contemplating continuity in light of the categories, and the categories in light of continuity? Thanks, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, K

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Classifying Signs (was Mark Token Type)

2024-04-19 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
y. It is not a term that can be predicated of anything of which certain other terms can be predicated, it is "an indefinite significant character." JFS: We acknowledge that the definition of the word 'mark' generally refers to a physical instance. But any English word that refers to so

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Classifying Signs (was Mark Token Type)

2024-04-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
his topic. Later, maybe not; better is obviously a subjective judgment. I have quoted several passages in this post alone, as well as in my previous posts, that I believe are *better *in the sense that they are *clearer*. JFS: My primary concern is that you and Jon have made claims abut Peirce w

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Classifying Signs (was Mark Token Type)

2024-04-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
words for its existent embodiments, namely, "tokens" that are "instances" of the type (CP 4.537, 1906). Hence, the quoted passage in R L376 turns out to have no relevance whatsoever to what we call the *possible* member of this trichotomy--"tone," "mark," or some

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Classifying Signs (was Mark Token Type)

2024-04-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
it is not *significant*--it has no effect on the *meaning *of the EG. JFS: This note answers every question, objection, and alternative that anybody has written in all the notes on this subject. Again, there is a stark contrast between such a forceful (and overreaching) pronouncement with wh

[PEIRCE-L] Classifying Signs (was Mark Token Type)

2024-04-16 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
p distinctions, although the necessitant typically *involves *the existent and the possible, and the existent *involves *the possible. For example, every sign must be *either *a seme, a pheme, or a delome; but all delomes *involve *phemes and semes, and all phemes *involve *semes. Regards,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ot; thus incorrectly treating it as virtually synonymous with "token" instead of "tone/tuone/tinge/potisign." Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
elationship cannot be built up from dyadic relationships. Whoever thinks it can be so composed has overlooked the fact that *composition *is itself a triadic relationship, between the two (or more) components and the composite whole" (CP 6.321, c. 1907). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, K

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's ethics

2024-04-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
mperative, a proposition presented for contemplation whose final interpretant's purpose is to produce self-control. - An assertion is an imperative phemic temperative, a proposition urged by an act of insistence whose final interpretant's purpose is to produce self-control. Regards, J

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
dy have a sense of what it means, but in fact they *do not* have in mind "Objects which are Signs so far as they are merely possible, but felt to be positively possible" (CP 8.363, EP 2:488, 1908 Dec 25). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist P

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
76r-277r, 1906 Apr 2), both must be embodied in sinsigns/tokens in order to *act *as signs. In fact, every sinsign/token *involves *qualisigns/tones of a peculiar kind, and every iconic sinsign/token *embodies *a qualisign. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
sider the word 'tone'. If anybody else has any further evidence (or just a personal preference) one way or the other, please let us know. Gary already provided anecdotal evidence to the contrary and expressed his personal preference for "tone." As always, my own priority is accurately understandi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
gly disagree. On the contrary, I have explicitly stated more than once that anyone is welcome to hold that opinion and make a case for it. Nevertheless, as I have also stated more than once, no one can accurately claim that it was *Peirce's *final and definitive choice. Regards, Jon Al

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
and I provided a long excerpt from his Logic Notebook that has not previously appeared in this or any other recent List thread, where he describes what he has in mind (using "tuone") and carefully distinguishes it from a type. By contrast, much of the post below is repetition of previously exp

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
d that you had read Tony's writings. I strongly urge you to study them. I said that I have likewise read *and *carefully studied about a dozen articles by Tony Jappy, as well as his 2017 book, *Peirce's Twenty-Eight Sign Classes and the Philosophy of Representation* ( https://list.iupui.edu/sy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
uot;scarlet" and "crimson" are different terms that both have the term "red" as a mark--anything that is scarlet or crimson is also red. However, the *term* "red" is obviously not a tone/potisign, it is always a token/actisign of a type/famisign. On the other hand,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
are Signs so far as they are merely possible, but felt to be positively possible" (CP 8.347, EP 2:483, 1908 Dec 24). In short, a tone/mark is a *possible *sign, distinguished from a token as an *existent *sign and a type as a *necessitant *sign. Again, none of this is at all controversial am

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
(possibles/existents/necessitants). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 5:58 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > 1] ET: I’m not sure w

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
computer scientists very readily accept the trichotomy > (mark token type), but not (tone token type). Since Peirce was always > writing for the future, that makes 'mark' the choice for the future. A > tone is a limited and confusing special case of mark. > > On this point, Tony m

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
the dynamical interpretant (actual effect) is either that of a feeling (for a sympathetic sign), that of an exertion (for a percussive sign), or that of another sign (for a usual sign); and the *mode of presentation* of the immediate interpretant (range of possible effects) is either as abstract qualities (for

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
e everyone to study *his *writings in light of our different arguments, and then draw their own conclusions about *his *views based on those texts. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
he purpose of the final interpretant. I find the former much more plausible than the latter. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 12:53

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
*any *attached lines of identity, if that were allowed in Beta EGs--the interpretant as represented by the sign is presented as a possible, not an existent. Regards, Jon On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 8:39 PM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > List: > > It is telling that this rebuttal does not addre

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type

2024-04-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
an have *different *tones, yet be tokens of the *same *type; and two things can have (some of) the *same *tones, yet be tokens of *different *types. JFS: It confirms Peirce's final choice. Indeed--his final choice of "tone" (R 339, 27 Dec 1908, https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/drs:152

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ill vacillating between these two options, and specifically *asked *her to help him choose one? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 1

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
d correlate; and for the genuine triadic relation, coming last. He *never *provided a typology with all ten trichotomies arranged in their proper *logical *order for sign classification--if he had done so, then there would obviously be no room for debate about what he had in mind. Instead, we

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Evolution of Peirce's theoretical foundation from 1903 to the end

2024-04-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
order to deal with modals." A straightforward reading of that text itself is that he simply needs a new notation to replace the unsatisfactory (broken) cuts of 1903 and nonsensical tinctures of 1906 for representing and reasoning about propositions involving possibility and necessity. Regards, Jon Alan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Meta-languages. Re: Four branches of existential graphs: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta

2024-03-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
is on RLT 151 (1898)--"That you are a good girl is much to be wished." [image: image.png] Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 8:2

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Meta-languages. Re: Four branches of existential graphs: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta

2024-03-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ly *kind of investigation that Peirce discusses here is a mathematical demonstration. JFS: The complexity of the investigation is the reason why Delta graphs are a completely new branch of EGs. Again, Peirce's *only *stated reason for needing "to add a *Delta *part" to EGs is &quo

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Four branches of existential graphs: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta

2024-03-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ne instead of a dotted oval/line. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:52 PM Jerry LR Chandler < jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com> wrot

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Meta-languages. Re: Four branches of existential graphs: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta

2024-03-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ions (consequent). For example, if the EGs for Euclid's five postulates are scribed in the margin, then they can be iterated to the interior, where the EGs for all the theorems of Euclidean geometry can be derived from them in accordance with the usual permissions. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Ol

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Cuts are out. Tinctures are in.

2024-03-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
dictionary work" (W 8:xlviii-xlix). Nevertheless, this was in 1891--two full decades before Peirce wrote the letter to Risteen that we have been discussing, which itself says nothing whatsoever about Cayley's trees, nor any other particular "organization of the papers." Regards,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Cuts are out. Tinctures are in.

2024-03-21 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ready made at length about the "many papers." Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 4:37 PM John F Sowa wrote: > I j

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Four branches of existential graphs: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta

2024-03-20 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
the margin and the consequent (theorems) inside the red line. - Those pages in R 514 are among the "Fragments on Existential Graphs" that properly belong there and are dated 1909, not from the misfiled letter to Kehler of June 1911 (R L231) that includes a "tutorial" on EGs (N

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modal EGs in Delta vs. Gamma

2024-03-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
with Alpha, Beta, or Gamma EGs--they do not "deal with modals" and are not otherwise unique to Delta EGs. Cheers, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On S

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modal EGs in Delta vs. Gamma

2024-03-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
u are maintaining a sense of humor. Again, I have appreciated the stimulating exchange and have learned quite a bit from it about how Peirce anticipated the use of metalanguage in logic, even though we continue to disagree on whether it has anything to do with Delta EGs. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Ol

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modal EGs in Delta vs. Gamma

2024-03-16 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
he top of letters denoting propositions that would be true in them fits the bill. Moreover, Peirce himself suggested this solution (R 339:[340r], LF 1:624, 1909 Jan 7), although he evidently never worked out the details. I believe that I have done so in my forthcoming paper. Regards, Jon Alan Schmi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] metalanguage, possibility, WAS: Logical Content of Graphical Signs (was Higher-Order Logics)

2024-03-14 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
as spelled out in my forthcoming paper, they provide *graphical *solutions for iterated modalities, modal axioms, etc. JFS: And we should all remember that Peirce List is a collaboration, not a competition. If somebody corrects one of our mistakes, we should thank them for the correction. ( https

Re: [PEIRCE-L] metalanguage, possibility, WAS: Logical Content of Graphical Signs (was Higher-Order Logics)

2024-03-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
les of how you would represent (and reason about) even *very simple* modal propositions, despite my multiple requests? By contrast, I am happy to show you how I would scribe that graph in my candidate for Delta EGs based on R 339:[340r] (1909). [image: image.png] Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Ka

Re: [PEIRCE-L] metalanguage, possibility, WAS: Logical Content of Graphical Signs (was Higher-Order Logics)

2024-03-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
he sheet is true, in this case because the one scribing all the EGs is "the author of truth"--either God the Creator himself or what Peirce describes elsewhere (referencing Cudworth) as "a blind agent intermediate between God and the world" (R 870, 1901). Regards,

[PEIRCE-L] Logical Content of Graphical Signs (was Higher-Order Logics)

2024-03-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
r the "lines of identity" (Peirce's term) in the Beta part because of the obvious and fundamental semiotic difference between describing *things *with names (rhemes/semes) and describing *states of things* with propositions (dicisigns/phemes). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA St

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Letter to Risteen (was Higher-Order Logics)

2024-03-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
903) and tinctures (1906), such as the one that he introduces on R 339:[340r] (1909 Jan 7). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 10:14 PM

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Letter to Risteen (was Higher-Order Logics)

2024-03-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
tation in Gamma EGs asserts a proposition about a proposition, but there is no hint of anything like it in R L376 (nor R 514). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Higher-Order Logics (was Problems in mixing quantifiers with modal logic)

2024-03-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
he was considering a new notation for representing and reasoning about modal propositions to replace his unsatisfactory broken cuts (1903) and tinctures (1906), such as the one that he introduces on R 339:[340r]. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosophe

[PEIRCE-L] Higher-Order Logics (was Problems in mixing quantifiers with modal logic)

2024-03-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ng (R 339:[340r], 1909 Jan 7). Echoing Zeman's remark in the quotation above, the sameness or continuity of a possible state of things (PST) as represented by a heavy line of compossibility (LoC) in my candidate for Delta EGs is *not *the same as the identity of individuals as represented by a he

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Problems in mixing quantifiers with modal logic (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-03-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
during Peirce's lifetime, and various logicians contributed pieces to the puzzle decades after his death. How would such complexity be handled in your candidate for Delta EGs? So far, you have not even been willing/able to show/tell us how you would represent several *very simple* modal propos

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Problems in mixing quantifiers with modal logic (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-03-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
*only *goal of the IKL logic "to deal with modals"? That is Peirce's *only *stated goal for Delta EGs. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Mar 6, 20

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Problems in mixing quantifiers with modal logic (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-03-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
-not a finding of the *special *sciences, which have largely adopted the opposite assumptions of reductionism, determinism, and materialism. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.co

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-03-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
didate going farther than that can only be offered as a hypothesis, not treated as a definitive specification. I am still wondering exactly how yours would represent the five modal propositions that he wrote in his Logic Notebook, if not exactly as he scribed their EGs on that page (R 339:[340r], 1909 Jan 7).

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-03-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
e universe is constantly proceeding from a PST with only facts (no laws) toward a PST with only laws (no facts), while the AST always has *both* facts and laws. Regards, Jon On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 12:50 PM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > List: > > I need to amend my previous post explaining m

[PEIRCE-L] Definitions, Axioms, and Postulates (was Delta Existential Graphs)

2024-03-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
clusions; or in an if-then proposition, they constitute the antecedent (in the shaded margin) from which other propositions *follow necessarily* as the consequent (in the remaining unshaded area). That is how *all *the theorems of Euclidean geometry are derived from its five postulates. Regards, Jon Ala

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-29 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ual permissions allow the last three transformations to derive *q*. [image: image.png] Regards, Jon On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 10:02 PM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > List: > > The sole reason that Peirce expresses in R L376 (1911 Dec 6) for needing > to add a Delta part to EGs is "in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metalanguage (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-02-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ulates as its law-propositions and the theorems as its fact-propositions. JFS: I thank you for raising all those objections. Likewise, I thank you for the exchange. As I acknowledge in the other thread, it is what prompted me to develop an interesting extension of my candidate for Delta EGs. Regards, Jon

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metalanguage (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-02-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
in in the second mode of clearness the three Modalities. The May be, The Actually is, The Would be." In other words, he explicitly reaffirms his definition of modality as possibility/actuality/necessity, although we do not have the preceding pages that presumably provide more details.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
with iterated modalities while preparing for the 1903 Lowell Lectures (R S-1:[74], LF 2/2:398), but there are reasons to suspect that he ultimately would have dispensed with them in accordance with pragmaticism. That is a subject for another post. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA St

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metalanguage (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-02-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
hat are missing, but unless and until someone finds them, we can only speculate. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 4:44 PM John F Sow

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metalanguage (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-02-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
r certainly) true." As far as I know, he *never *refers to propositions involving other expressions like "proposition C is written in Holy Scriptures" or "proposition D is much to be wished" as "modal." Can you provide any exact quotations where he does so? R

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metalanguage (was Delta Existential Graphs

2024-02-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
that one criterion by combining the graphs scribed in R 339:[340r] with the "red pencil" improvement in R 514 and the "many papers" concept in R L376. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
678, LF 1:158-159, 1910) Nevertheless, as I observe in both of my forthcoming papers, other modalities can be incorporated into the various formal systems, as long as they are *analogous* to possibility and necessity. Peirce hints at *epistemic *logic here, and in my semantics paper, I menti

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
4) ◇(*p* ∧ *q*), and (5) ◇*p* ∧ ◇*q* ∧ ¬◇(*p* ∧ *q*); again, in each case, *p* and *q* are atomic non-modal propositions. JLRC: Do either of you feel that your interpretations of "delta graphs" bridge the yawning gaps between semiotics and semiology? I doubt it since that is not the purpo

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
you just stipulate the usual modal axioms--for example, "necessary" may always be changed to "possible" (D), "actual" (T), or "necessarily necessary" (4)? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Luther

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
re speculation. I prefer to stick to his writings as we have them, and as far as I know, he never says anything in them to suggest that he was "laying out a diagram of papers" for a new version of EGs when it happened. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-21 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ve in mind? JFS: Meanwhile, there are some questions to ponder: Any answers to such questions about the details of Peirce's unfortunate accident are pure speculation. It seems to me that if it had happened while he was "laying out a diagram of papers" for a new version of EGs, then he l

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Language as Semiosis

2024-02-20 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
e about the former as Peirce's own term for his metaphysical doctrine in 1891? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 2:35 AM Michae

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-20 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
phemic sheet of a Delta graph consists of multiple > “papers”, each of which represents a different time, aspect, or modality of > some universe of discourse. Although Peirce did not specify the details of > Delta graphs, a combination of features mentioned in several 1911 > manuscripts would

[PEIRCE-L] Delta Existential Graphs (was The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
e that he states for adding a Delta part. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at https://cspeirce.com and, ju

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
f *any *goal/purpose/intention at all. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 3:05 PM John F Sowa wrote: > Edwina, Jon, List, > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, Sign Classification, and 3ns (was Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why)

2024-02-16 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Those are two totally different activities. The test is not a > method of communication by means of sentences. It is a method for > determining the structure of a sign. > > John > > -- > *From*: "Jon Alan Schmidt" > *Sent*: 2/15/24 9

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, Sign Classification, and 3ns (was Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why)

2024-02-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
d to or subtracted from someone's answer to a question in ordinary conversation reflects the context-dependency of both utterances, as well as the dialogic nature of human semiosis. Consequently, it is better to stick with Peirce's own paradigmatic conceptions for distinguishing 1ns/2ns/3ns as discove

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, Sign Classification, and 3ns (was Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why)

2024-02-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
/http://www.commens.org/), but it came back up a couple of days ago. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 1:37 PM Helmut Raulien wrote

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, Sign Classification, and 3ns (was Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why)

2024-02-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
t is not a genuine example of 3ns?" > > Yes, indeed. I admit that I made a mistake in that statement. But > insults are never appropriate in any collaboration. You have every right > to state your opinions, right or wrong. But an insult is never > appropriate. And

[PEIRCE-L] OFF-LIST Re: Interpretants, Sign Classification, and 3ns (was Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why)

2024-02-14 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
me question. Maybe he intended the second one to be, "Can anybody find an example of an answer to a question that begins with the word 'Why' but is not a genuine example of 3ns?" Of course, I already fulfilled both requests, but he dismissed my counterexamples with a bunch of hand-wav

[PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, Sign Classification, and 3ns (was Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why)

2024-02-14 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ntelligibility) is more generally accurate than defining 3ns in terms of (conscious) intentionality or purpose. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Tu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Entropy and the Universal Categories (was Re: The Proper Way in Logic)

2024-02-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ns rather than 3ns. Nevertheless, as already noted, there are abundant passages (like the first quotation above) where Peirce treats other ideas, where intentionality is lacking, as paradigmatic of 3ns--such as continuity, diffusion, the whole numbers, and even explosions. Regards, Jon Al

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
in the idea, that we cannot get an idea of something that does > not exist. I am not totally convinced anymore about the reality of > continuum. The question seems quasi-theological to me. > > Best, Helmut > *Gesendet:* Montag, 12. Februar 2024 um 20:57 Uhr > *Von:* "Jon A

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
on the area of the blackboard" (NEM 4:345, 1898; see also CP 6.203-209, 1898). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:01 AM Helmu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
etant must come *after *the sympathetic/percussive/usual trichotomy for the dynamical interpretant. If it were the other way around, as some scholars advocate, then *only *relative propositions with at least two lines of identity could be scribed on the sheet of assertion. Regards, Jon Alan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
law of thermodynamics stage left.) > > Best, Mike > On 2/11/2024 5:03 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > > Mike: > > I am glad that we agree on that point. I also agree that it is a mistake > to treat semiosis as the most fundamental aspect of Peirce's philosophy, > and that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
s is prescinded from 3ns; but 2ns cannot be built up from 1ns, and 3ns cannot be built up from 1ns and 2ns. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Feb 11,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
d such subjects from the continuous flow of semiosis as if they were *individual *constituents of the universe, we also need to account for their general logical relations with each other, and that is where pure/continuous predicates come into play. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
te, there are now two subjects (lowercase letters) and four predicates (uppercase letters). Throwing everything possible into the subject, there are six subjects--four general concepts (names) and two indefinite individuals (lines of identity)--and a single pure/continuous predicate (syntax). [image: i

[PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ion that an EG represents--descriptive names for general concepts, and designative lines of identity for indefinite individuals. The pure/continuous predicate that signifies the proposition's interpretant is *always* iconically diagrammatized by the syntax--the arrangement on the sheet of assertion of t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project, was, Re: Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

2024-02-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ly denotes one of its objects, while its syntax is the pure predicate that iconically signifies its interpretant as the general form of their logical relations (CP 5.542, c. 1902-3; CP 5.151, EP 2:208, 1903; R 611, 1908 Oct 28; NEM 3:885-886, 1908 Dec 5; SS 70-72, 1908 Dec 14; R 664, 1910 Nov 26-2

Re: [PEIRCE-L] further to the recent d iscussion of markednss

2024-02-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
terpretant. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:10 AM Michael Shapiro wrote: > Those who are interested in exploring th

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants

2024-02-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
piro wrote: > Yes, it does, Jon. > > M. > > -Original Message- > From: Jon Alan Schmidt > Sent: Feb 3, 2024 2:04 PM > To: Peirce-L > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants > > > Michael, List: > > I honestly do not know much about linguistics, but I wo

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants

2024-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Michael, List: I honestly do not know much about linguistics, but I wonder if this online chapter from your 1983 book, *The Sense of Grammar: Language as Semiotic*, is still a good summary of your relevant views. https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/3/oa_monograph/chapter/3056317 Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants

2024-02-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
more *important or useful than a theory of interpretants? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 4:22 PM Gary Richmond wrote: > John, J

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants

2024-02-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
communicational. > > Maybe these threee classes of context are categorially 1ns, 2ns, 3ns? > > And if, I think, there should be a second context for the object too, in > which it is divided other than into immediate and dynamical. > > Best, Helmut > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 02. Fe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants

2024-02-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
more or less than what the author intended; happily we can be generous and charitable in our initial judgments and trust that intention and achievement may coincide more often than not." Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Luthera

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 10 Classes of Signs (Question on CP 8.376, 1908)

2024-01-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ng performed ( https://www.structuremag.org/?p=10373). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 9:13 AM Helmut Raulien wrote: > Jon, Cecile,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 10 Classes of Signs (Question on CP 8.376, 1908)

2024-01-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
s of itself. (EP 2:545n25, 1906) CSP: [T]he explanation of the phenomenon lies in the fact that the entire universe,--not merely the universe of existents, but all that wider universe, embracing the universe of existents as a part, the universe which we are all accustomed to refer to as "the truth,&q

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 10 Classes of Signs (Question on CP 8.376, 1908)

2024-01-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
a* > MC anglais UPPA ∗ SSH ∗ LEA > Maître de Conférences en Etudes Anglophones > *Associate Professor of English as a Second Language* > *Semiotics • Linguistics • Grammar • Translation* > > -- > *De: *"Jon Alan Schmidt" > *À: *"Peirce-L&q

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 10 Classes of Signs (Question on CP 8.376, 1908)

2024-01-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
for sure where to insert 10th (DO-S-FI), although Peirce's corresponding names in some versions (abducent/inducent/deducent) suggest that it is a division of arguments, so it presumably comes after 9th (S-FI). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechis

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 10 Classes of Signs (Question on CP 8.376, 1908)

2024-01-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
collective actuous token. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 2:55 PM Cécile Cosculluela < cecile.coscullu...@univ-pau.fr> wrote: &g

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 10 Classes of Signs (Question on CP 8.376, 1908)

2024-01-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
, 2024 at 1:21 PM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > Cécile, List: > > As Peirce states in the accompanying text, the triangular diagram in CP > 8.376 (also EP 2:491) indicates ten sign classes that can be obtained from > three trichotomies--one for the object, one for the interp

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 10 Classes of Signs (Question on CP 8.376, 1908)

2024-01-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
in which the whole is ontologically prior to its parts, which are likewise signs but indefinite unless and until deliberately marked off for a particular purpose. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.

[PEIRCE-L] Forms of Consciousness (was Categorizations of Triadic Relationships)

2024-01-19 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
accordance with this distinction, perhaps people with aphantasia *have *visual sensations of images at each moment while looking at them, but then are unable to *remember *them afterwards due to the merely vestigial compulsiveness of such memories and/or an incapacity in their imaginative faculties. Regards, Jon Al

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categorizations of triadic Relationships (Was Re: Graphical Representations of the Sign by Peirce)

2024-01-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
that *every *proposition is true if the antecedent is true (CP 4.454-456, 1903; CP 4.564n, c. 1906; R 300:[47-51], 1908; R 669:[16-18], 1911). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categorizations of triadic Relationships (Was Re: Graphical Representations of the Sign by Peirce)

2024-01-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
l logical interpretant. Consequently, the most perfect account of a concept that words can convey will consist in a description of the habit which that concept is calculated to produce. But how otherwise can a habit be described than by a description of the kind of action to which it gives rise, with

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