Wouldn't this be true for all of nature versus the all of discovery?
Discovery is human and therefore retroductive (as are "newspapers and great
fortunes"). Nature is.
On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 4:14 PM Matias wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> I am trying to contextualize Peirce's reference to the
Dear Hemut,
Thank you for this post. I am thinking about abduction again. Reflecting
upon reflection.
Phyllis
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:21 AM Helmut Raulien wrote:
> List,
>
> I am reading Nina Ort´s book "Reflexionslogik". It is not translated into
> English, I think, but there is an essay of
Abioticsemiosis seems a lot like what is Happening in quantum physics.
Especially Carlo Rovelli's relational theory as described in Helgoland.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 11:07 AM Gary Richmond
wrote:
> List,
>
> I recently came upon this quite short article, "A necessary condition for
> proof of
et everything happen to you
> Beauty and terror
> Just keep going
> No feeling is final”
> ― Rainer Maria Rilke
>
> *Gary Richmond*
> *Philosophy and Critical Thinking*
> *Communication Studies*
> *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York*
>
>
>
>
>
What about a thought expressed without language as, say, a piece of music,
a modern dance or an abstract piece of art?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 12:17 PM Gary Richmond wrote:
> Gary F, Jon, List,
>
> GF: "A thought I am hosting at the moment is certainly *embodied* here
> and now in a pattern of
Thank you for this information. I just ordered a copy of Samson's Mind
Builder from Amazon.
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 2:47 PM sowa @bestweb.net wrote:
> At Whittier College, Albert Upton taught a required two-semester course
> for all freshmen. The original name was Significs, but it was later
>
I don't see that formal logic is logica utens. Are you defining formal and
normative differently.
On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 3:28 PM Jon Alan Schmidt
wrote:
> Gary F., List:
>
> As far as I can tell, Peirce makes no distinction between "mathematical
> logic" and "the logic of mathematics"; they are
Yes. Peirce was a theist. I think he was very abstract (God as firstness)
despite the definitions, which are pretty traditional.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 8:18 PM Gary Richmond wrote:
> Jon, List,
>
> Addressing Edwina, you wrote: "So I ask one more time--why not simply
> admit disagreement with
the traditional
>> conception, "religiously (and even politically) loaded" though it may be.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
>> Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
>> www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSc
Many years ago, I wrote on this topic. It's posted on Arisbe: Revisiting A
Neglected Argument for the Reality of God. It might be relevant here.
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Yes. Language is incapable of expressing all of experience. Peirce's
emphasis on sensory experience is well taken. I always used actual
materials when working with young children. I should have done so with
older ones as well.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 9:33 AM sowa @bestweb.net wrote:
> Gary F,
n's point of view and analysis!
>
> If our discussion about issues is merged with whether or not we 'like' the
> person making the argument - well, frankly, that sounds like politics to me!
>
> Edwina
>
>
>
> On Wed 08/09/21 9:42 PM , Phyllis Chiasson
> phyllis.marie.chias...@
Edwina, I don't like conflict but feel I must say that Gary is right about
Neglected Argument. I feel upset because it seems like you are attacking
him.
Phyllis
On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 6:31 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote:
> Gary R, List
>
> My point about 'existence' and 'reality' is that one can get so
iour, IS focused around the
> sociological aspects.
>
> I don't, however, see that his outline of god was on the conduct of human
> behaviour - but on the role of Mind and Reason in the natural world - and
> in human understanding of our world.
>
> Edwina
>
>
>
sm] - means, in my view, that abduction is a
> natural mental process in all living beings.
>
> Edwina
>
>
>
> On Wed 08/09/21 6:22 PM , Phyllis Chiasson
> phyllis.marie.chias...@gmail.com sent:
>
> I've been thinking a good deal about the problem of quantifying affect
As I recall, Peirce said nothing about worship, devotion or heaven or hell.
His take on God was based on the conduct of human behavior.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 3:50 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote:
> Ben, list:
>
> I think that's from Aquinas' Five Arguments for the Existence of God:
> Unmoved Mover,
I've been thinking a good deal about the problem of quantifying affect in
such a way as to have something from which to abduct. Surprise, delight,
awe, even disappointment can all lead to an Abductive inference. A computer
program like Watson can produce plausibilities to explain or diagnose, but
JS : although the historical order of inquiry is abduction/retroduction
followed by deduction and then induction, there is a sense in which its
logical order is induction followed by abduction/retroduction.
Yes. Especially since surprise is a qualitative induction..
On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 9:48 AM
n minerals in the soil rather than the amount of
> moisture in it.
>
> [All the quotations above can be found in the *Commens* 'Dictionary'
> under 'Retroduction'.
> http://www.commens.org/dictionary/term/retroduction The entries on
> 'Abduction' (which tend to emphasize the 'sur
sement *qua*
> musement has no goal; and once the "scientific study" commences, the
> musement as such ends and the goal of inquiry takes hold.
>
> Best,
>
> Gary R
>
>
> “Let everything happen to you
> Beauty and terror
> Just keep going
> No feeling is fin
Gary wrote: An excerpt from "The Basis of pragmatism" makes clear that the
phaneroscopist needs a "definitie field to explore."
Phyllis' comment:
The artist and the muser don't necessarily have a goal to guide their
explorations, as for example, in pure play. The creations/discoveries begin
in
My experience with Peirce's phenomenology began with teaching adolescents
how to"do" the three categories in order to improve reasoning and writing
skills. I used Upton & Sampson's workbook, Creative Analysis. The system is
simple, the results were phenomenal. Because of this experience over 45
e mathematics has studied, " (
>> [C.S.
>> Peirce, 1976: NEM, vol III.2 1122], MS 1345) otherwise there would be
>> only empirical sciences, and we would still be at the physics of Aristotle
>> and the chemistry of phlogiston.
>> Honorary Professor; Ph.D.
Thank you for this. Peirce said that the task of the phenomenologist is to
observe and to classify observations. This is a good example of that.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 8:30 AM Jon Awbrey wrote:
> All,
>
> Continuing with our Phenomenological∫Phaneroscopic survey of
> colleges and their course
Correction: The benign neglect. Thing Did not belong with the rest of my
comments.
Phyllis Chiasson ath...@olympus.net wrote:
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Benign neglect was a policy proposed in 1969 by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who
was at the time on Nixon's White House Staff as an urban affairs adviser.
I see
Gary R wrote:that Induction split, at once, into the Sampling of Collections,
and the Sampling of Qualities. . . (*Pragmatism as a Principle and Method of
Right Thinking: The 1903 Harvard Lectures on Pragmatism*, Turrisi, ed. 276-7).
Yet later, in1908 in NA, Peirce identified 1. Retro. 2
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Phyllis Chiasson ath...@olympus.net wrote:
Gary R wrote:that Induction split, at once, into the Sampling of Collections,
and the Sampling of Qualities. . . (*Pragmatism as a Principle and Method of
Right Thinking
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Phyllis Chiasson ath...@olympus.net wrote:
Gary asked: Are you saying that you see him changing his mind yet again in
that regard
Listers,
I am reading Paul Carus's translation of the Tao, in which he uses the term,
Reason, for Tao. E.g. The Reason that can be Reasoned is not the eternal
Reason.
Since Carus Peirce were connected, does anyone know if use of the term,
Reason, for Tao comes from Peirce, or relates to
Is there some way to access this without goiing through facebook?
Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com wrote:
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). I'm told I will make a
full recovery, eventually. I'm still on high doses of steroids and it will take
about 4 months to taper off. Meanwhile, my brain is coming out of its fog, so
I'm hoping to use this confinement productively.
Regards,
Phyllis Chiasson
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My experience with NA has lead me to similar understandings. If God and love
are synonymous terms, as even many fundamentalists will agree. And if love
(justice) are Real forces as Peirce says, then love and/or God is (or can be)
physically efficient. The future effects of said efficiency rely
Am I correct in interpreting Peirce's concept of Nominalism as believing that
we make it up as we go; that before we name a thing or concept, it does not
have being? And that Peirce's realism says things, including concepts and
stuff, have being (and therefore reality) whether anyone ever knows
Worth reading.
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Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote:
good grief, what tripe ...
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Although I know well that 'anecdote' is not singular for 'data,' I might have
some experience to contribute to this discussion. We have 5 grown children (our
youngest is 40). All three of our girls are adopted. The oldest was adopted at
birth; the other 2 (half sisters) were adopted
and English,
marking out the nouns, verbs, adverbs and so on, and their relations - and
understanding such a logical framework slides over into understanding that
such a framework exists in daily life as well.
Edwina
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To: Edwina Taborsky
I've ordered Natural Propositions, but Diagrammatology is very expensive (yes,
I know my last book was priced even more outrageously high). Does anyone know
where I might secure a relatively inexpensive copy? I very much want to read it.
Phyllis
U Pascal upas...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Gary.
Stephen,
I don't understand your post.
Phyllis
Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote:
Peircean Yikes. The problem is that anything we do about Peirce of anyone
really is characterization which I hold to be at worst a curse and at best
a brake on the inherent freedom of anyone to grow,
that diagram and Deeley's introduction to this
book as a very useful overview for understanding/explaining the breadth/depth
of Peircean semiotics (and its contrast with de Saussure).
Regards,
Phyllis Chiasson
Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote:
(oops, ok, not klick answer, but fill in peirce list
I've misspelled a name here. It is John Deely --no extra e.
Phyllis Chiasson ath...@olympus.net wrote:
Yes, I think it would be more correct from Peirce's perspective to say that
green is a quality (property, characteristic) of some frogs. Qualities may (or
likely do) relate to the physical
.
Regards,
Phyllis Chiasson
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Gary R. Gary F Cathy,
Very nice. I'm saving this somewhere that i won't lose it.
Phyllis
Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com wrote:
Gary, Cathy, list,
So, slightly modifying Cathy's list in consideration of Gary F's comments
we get (and, personally, with an eye to introducing these methods
to address the reciprocal nature of the process of
retroduction. Though he doesn't use that word in the book, he did use it for
his classes at the University of Washington back when I met with him in the
late 1980's.
Regards,
Phyllis Chiasson
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:46 PM
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Phyllis, List,
Thank you, first, for sharing your personal pragmatic story. It brought up
many thoughts for me beginning with how Peirce
From: Phyllis Chiasson [ath...@olympus.net]
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Mara List,
I do not see a proof of pragmatism in this section either. Nor have I seen
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