[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Jean-Marc says: Of course, not to restart an old debate... I am curious about how the following lines are going to be interpreted: We have a direct knowledge of real objects in every experiential reaction, whether of /Perception/ or of /Exertion/ (the one theoretical, the other practical). These

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-24 Thread Joseph Ransdell
J-MO = Jean-Marc Orliaguet JR = Joe Ransdell Jean-Marc says: [J-MO] I don't really understand the subtle distinctions that you are making between direct and unmediated and between indirect and mediated, and in what way they contribute to a better philosophical understanding.. REPLY: [JR]

[peirce-l] Re: R: Re: NEW ELEMENTS (KAINA STOICHEIA) available at Arisbe

2006-01-24 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Clark says: With regards to Peirce, I wonder how to consider the analysis of persuasion that Joseph brings up - especially considering that Peirce's ideal of science didn't really involve belief. I admit that's a view of science in Peirce I've long struggled with. But without belief, what is

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-01-26 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Just a quick note to remark that Creath is clearly right about there being a close relationship between the New Elements and the 1903 Harvard Lectures. Creath gives some indication of what that is, but I won't attempt to describe that in more detail myself at the moment since it will take some

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-01-27 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Theresa and list: Theresa, you say: I agree that Peirce here was implicitly opposing himself to Royce as a Pragmatist (and a Realist) vs. a non-Pragmatist. But I disagree with what Joe suggests [And what I am suggesting is that at least some of what I find most puzzling in what Peirce is saying

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-01-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Theresa and list: You say: What I do not agree is with your suggestion that Peirce decided subsequently to accommodate himself to Royce's sensibility as much as possible (why not the other way round? that Royce, particularly after Peirce's Lectures of 1898 (the Cambridge Conferences), was

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-01-29 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Theresa and list: I hadn't read your message below when I sent off the self-correction in my most recent message , but as you can see I agree with your correction of my mistake there. I referred to the wrong lecture. I don't believe that the point I was making was mistaken, though, -- but I

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-02-09 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Well, I'll sleep on it, Gary, and see how it looks to me tomorrow. Joe - Original Message - From: Gary Richmond To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about? Joseph

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-02-10 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben says: Yet attributions, ascriptions, copulations, distributions, etc., etc., of predicates to subjects, or of accidents to substances, or of qualities to reactions, all have a certain similarity and parallelism. Then when we associate connotation in one way with firstness, quality,

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-02-11 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Good point, Gary. Still another way of thinking about it might be to suppose that the emphasis is supposed to fall on thing rather than sign: no sign is a real THING rather than no sign is a REAL thing; but that doesn't sound very plausible to me. I like your solution better. Joe Ransdell

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-02-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben: I will have to leave it to Gary R. and Jim to respond to whatever it is you are doing here. I just don't follow what is going on, what the problem is to which what you say is an answer or clarification or whatever.. (That is not a way of dismissing what you say, but just a personal

[peirce-l] Re: [peirce-l] Re: [Fwd: [Fis] Søren Br ier, Department of Management, Politics and Philosop hy, Copenhagen Business School is defending his doctoral thesis: Cybersemiotics - Why inform

2006-02-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Thanks for bringing Soren Brier's summary statement to our attention, Gary.I put a link to it up at Arisbe. (Soren was on the PEIRCE-Llist for quite awhile some years back.) Does anyone know anything about what he calls "the critical realist" movement? With whom does that originate? Joe

[peirce-l] Re: [peirce-l] [Fwd: [Fis] Søren Brier, Department of Management, Politics and Philosophy, Co penhagen Business School is defending his doctoral thesis: Cybersemiotics - Why informatio

2006-02-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Steven and Gary R: Sorry to have overlooked that it was you who initially posted the reference to Brier, Steven. Your message had somehow gotten misfiled and overlooked by me and I didn't realize at first that Gary was responding initially to your prior post. Joe Ransdell - Original

[peirce-l] Re: [peirce-l] Re: [peirce-l] [Fwd: [Fis] Søren Brier, Department of Management, Politics and Philosophy, Copenhagen Business School is defending his doctoral thesis: Cybersemiotics

2006-02-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
to the forwarded message on information is not enough? It looks like a must read from the business community... Bob Chumbley From: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/15/2006 08:02 AM Please respond to Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu

[peirce-l] immediate/mediate, direct/indirect

2006-02-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
This bears on nothing currently under discussion, but I happened upon a note copying a passage from the Logic Notebook in which Peirce explicitly defines immediate and direct and thought I should record it here, given how frequently the question comes up.. Of course it may or may not record

[peirce-l] Re: immediate/mediate, direct/indirect - CORRECTION

2006-02-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
that A is _immediate_ to B means that it is present in B. _Direct_, as I use it means without the aid of any subsidiary instruments or operation. -- MS 339.493; c. 1904-05 Logic Notebook Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion

[peirce-l] Re: Existent vs Real

2006-02-16 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I have no problem with this, Thomas, as showing the need for the distinction of the existent vs. the real, but then I wasn't really putting the need for it in question but only intending to indicate that I don't always understand how to apply it effectively. Joe Ransdell - Original

[peirce-l] Excerpt from Nahan Houser on Peirce and the Century Dictionary

2006-02-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
forbid I should _approve_ of above 1/10 of what I insert. End excerpt from Nathan Houser's biographical Introducion to Vol. 6 of The Writings of Charles S. Peirce, posted by Joseph Ransdell. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-02-18 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben, you say: I don't pose a tetradic reduction thesis applicable to all relations. I just say that there's a fourth semiotic term that isn't any of the classic three. A sign stands for an object to an interpretant on the basis of a recognition. I think that an increasingly good reason to

[peirce-l] Re: Panopedia

2006-02-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Steven says: Transparency is a pragmatic. Or, exactly as Joe suggests that Peirce implies (is there a reference to this Joe?): identifying the author is a logical necessity. REPLY: Here's some quotes to that effect: CP 2.315 (c. 1902) For an act of assertion supposes that, a proposition being

[peirce-l] Re: Are there authorities on authority?

2006-02-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
-- though I am not sure that he answers the question as I pose it -- but I can't find anyplace where the corresponding question about expertise or authority is addressed on the DU website. Joe Ransdell Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber [E

[peirce-l] Re: Are there authorities on authority?

2006-03-01 Thread Joseph Ransdell
TO: Larry Sanger Larry: Before explaining to you what I find questionable in the way you are presently conceiving the task of developing the DU, I want to say first that I am looking forward to reading with care your dissertation on epistemic circularity and the problem of

[peirce-l] Fw: 2nd CFP: Models and Simulations (Paris, 12-13 June 2006)

2006-03-01 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Looks like the sort of conference a Peircean might be specially interested in; Forwarded to the list by Joseph Ransdell - Original Message - From: Stephan Hartmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:20 PM Subject: 2nd CFP: Models and Simulations

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce invented the electric switching computer?

2006-03-04 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Steven: Thomas is referring to Writings of CSP, vol. 5. It contains a copy of a letter of Dec 30, 1886, of which there is a copy (with an image of a page from it), to Allan Marquand in which Peirce explains to Marquand how the electronic switch (the logic gate) would work, with a simple

[peirce-l] Re: Are there authorities on authority?

2006-03-08 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Larry: Thanks for the extensive reply to my criticisms. Sorry for the delay in responding but it will take me a few days more before I am ready to do so properly. I've been reading the various material by you that provides background understanding in some depth for what you say in your

[peirce-l] Re: changing e-address

2006-03-10 Thread Joseph Ransdell
To avoid the usual Catch-22, just send me a message stating both addresses and I'll do it for you. Joseph Ransdell list manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ - Original Message - From: John Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent: Friday, March 10

[peirce-l] beware of gmail filter

2006-03-11 Thread Joseph Ransdell
If you use Gmail beware of the spam filter. I just discovered that it misrouted about a dozen peirce-l messages to the spam folder in the last month, and presumably a bunch more from before that time (which it has already deleted permanently).. I had not checked it before. Joe Ransdell

[peirce-l] Re: Design and Semiotics Revisited (...new thread from Peircean elements topic)

2006-03-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
to much of Joe's extraordinary philosophical analysis over the years and my own sense of Peirce's semeiotic has been deeply informed by reading Joseph Ransdell on the topic).But for now, I would simply like to say that Frances has contributed in "good faith" something of value in this

[peirce-l] Re: Design and Semiotics Revisited (...new thread from Peircean elements topic)

2006-03-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
hrust of Ben's tetrastic project, and that the sign/representamen distinction might play a significant role in the discussion of collateral knowledge, the status of the object, etc. that you were indeed commenting in some way on Ben's theory. I see from your comments that you were n

[peirce-l] Re: Design and Semiotics Revisited (...new thread from Peircean elements topic)

2006-03-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
s is attributed to Sir W. Hamilton. This is most interesting. But can one really equate representation with the representamen? Perhaps. I don't know. It remains a question in my mindGary Richmond Joseph Ransdell wrote: Neither Theresa nor I disagree with what yo

[peirce-l] Re: Representamens and Signs (was Design and Semiotics Revisited was Peircean elements)

2006-03-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Steven I agree with you in being unable to find what Frances is saying intelligible, but I want to take the occasion to ask you what you mean by immediacy, which seems to have a special meaning in your writings which is of special importance to you that I don't understand. Joe Ransdell

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Arnold says: I would venture to suggest (subject to the better sense of those on the list who have greater experince with the MSS than I have) that the notion of a Sign contains the concept of a transitive function, making a very strong case for what Thomas has said on this subject. Other

[peirce-l] question about century dictionary

2006-03-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Gary and list: I think it was Gary who posted a message some time back -- a couple of weeks ago? -- that had a quotation in it from Peirce about the definitions in the Century Dictionary for which he was responsible where he says something to the effect that he did not necessarily want to

[peirce-l] Re: question about century dictionary

2006-03-18 Thread Joseph Ransdell
David LaChance says: Joseph, I can't recall what that message was, but the quote you are looking might be this one, where Peirce says that his CD [i.e. Century Dictionary] definitions “were necessarily rather vaguely expressed, in order to describe the popular usage of terms, and in some cases

[peirce-l] kinds of relations (from Century Dictionary)

2006-03-20 Thread Joseph Ransdell
. -- Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006 --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com

[peirce-l] REAL RELATION (passages from Collected Papers)

2006-03-20 Thread Joseph Ransdell
The passages below were retrieved from the Collected Papers of Charles Sanders Peirce by a string search on real relation: Joe Ransdell -- REAL RELATION (passages from the Collected Papers) CP 5.287 (1868) 287. We must now consider two other properties

[peirce-l] re: naming definite individuals (REAL RELATION defined)

2006-03-20 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I am reposting this under the subject description for the thread on naming definite individuals so it will show up under that heading in the archives. Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-25 Thread Joseph Ransdell
capability. As systems get interconnected, maybe the sky's the limit as people figure out ways for diverse systems to query one another. Best, Ben - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:38

[peirce-l] Re: Conceptual Structures Tool Interoperability Workshop

2006-03-26 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Gary, Auke, and Ben: My initial response was due in part to having first encountered the idea of knowledge management in contexts in which the knowledge managers were in fact what I regard as aspiring technocrats, namely, university administrators who were -- at least in that context -- concerned

[peirce-l] Fw: What is Category Theory?

2006-04-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Does anybody know anything about category theory in math, which is what the book in the forwarded message below is about. What is it? Does it actually have any philosophical interest? Is it relevant to Peirce? Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: G. Sica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[peirce-l] Fw: CFP Graduate Conference at SIUC

2006-05-06 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Forwarded by Joseph Ransdell : - Original Message - From: Kelly Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: CFP Graduate Conference at SIUC Joseph, Could you please post this CFP to the Peirce List? Thanks. Kelly Booth Department

[peirce-l] Re: Entelechy

2006-05-06 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Just one point to add to what Gary says, namely, that the word perfection, as used by Peirce in this context (and wherever the concept of a process is pertinent) should be understood as implying completion. Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: gnusystems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-06 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben quotes Peirce as follows: 66~ A symbol, in its reference to its object, has a triple reference:-- 1st, Its direct reference to its object, or the real things which it represents; 2d, Its reference to its ground through its object, or the common characters of those objects; 3d, Its

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about? (CORRECTION)

2006-05-06 Thread Joseph Ransdell
CORRECTED VERSION OF PREVIOUS POST : Ben quotes Peirce as follows: 66~ A symbol, in its reference to its object, has a triple reference:-- 1st, Its direct reference to its object, or the real things which it represents; 2d, Its reference to its ground through its object, or the common

[peirce-l] Fw: CFP: Science in 19th-Century Britain (8/10/06; collection)

2006-05-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
-- a CFP of special relevance to PEIRCE-L; forwarded to the list by Joseph Ransdell - Original Message - From: Don Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Fwd: CFP: Science in 19th-Century Britain (8/10/06; collection) Date

[peirce-l] Re: Graphics in posts

2006-05-30 Thread Joseph Ransdell
What is the functional difference between using the DIV and the BR tag, Ben? You say that it makes some sort of difference in email but I don't understand what you mean. Joe - Original Message - From: Benjamin Udell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Gary: Would you mind reposting the diagram you refer to below? I don't recall what was said about that at that time but I think it important to get clear on what can and cannot legitimately be imputed to Peirce, and the absence of availability of the relevant MS material is important to bear

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Frances: In view of what I was just now relating to Ben, I would have to regard the sort of enterprise you speculate about below as a timewaster of monumental proportions, promising to generate word salad that startle even the inmates at Bedlam, given that it would be based on an unreliable

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-14 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Bernard says::, Joe and list, I agree with the idea of being very cautious with the 10 trichotomies classification. You are right I think in recalling that it was work in progress for Peirce. I would be very interested too in reading the material you are refering to below if you can make it

[peirce-l] Re: Generator of lattices

2006-06-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I pushed every button I could find and nothing happened. .??? Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: robert marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Cc: BENAZET [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:53 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Generator of

[peirce-l] Re: Generator of lattices

2006-06-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
] Re: Generator of lattices You might also try cutting and pasting the link On 6/15/06 1:52 PM, Dennis Leri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, It may depend on your browser. Firefox and Internet Explorer opened it while Safari didn't. Dennis Leri On Thursday, June 15, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Joseph

[peirce-l] Re: Generator of lattices

2006-06-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
not pushing any button but just choosing some number first with the drop down menu. By pointing with your mouse on the arrow at the right of the number (specify the number of trichotomies). Then choose ok. Worked for me :-) Wilfred -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Joseph Ransdell [mailto:[EMAIL

[peirce-l] representing the ten classes of signs

2006-06-16 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Bernard, Ben, and list: I am still working on the question of what, if anything, is wrong in my account of the ten sign classes (as resulting from the cross-combination of the three basic sign trichotomies) in my paper on Peirce's semiotic in the Encyclopedic Dictionary of Semiotics

[peirce-l] URL for my paper at Arisbe

2006-06-16 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Sorry, but I gave you a bad URL. Here is the right one for my paper: http://members.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/eds.htm Joe Ransdell -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/367 - Release Date:

[peirce-l] Re: representing the ten classes of signs (corrected)

2006-06-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
of teeth!) Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: representing the ten classes of signs (corrected) Vinicius, Robert, and list: I take it that you

[peirce-l] Re: representing the ten classes of signs (corrected)

2006-06-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
That's all for the moment from me. There arre other MS pages that might throu some light on things but it will take me some time to browse through the MS material, which is from several different file folders, to see what is truly worth adding as grist for the present discussion. P.S.:And

[peirce-l] Re: representing the ten classes of signs (corrected)

2006-06-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
, Ben - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: representing the ten classes of signs (corrected) That's all for the moment from me. There arre other MS pages that might

[peirce-l] Re: Please Have Mercy on Pierce-L Digest Subscribers

2006-06-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Cc: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Benjamin Udell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Please Have Mercy on Pierce-L Digest Subscribers I realize that most Pierce-L subscribers never see the Pierce-L Digest

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
collection. Kind regards, Wilfred -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Joseph Ransdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: zaterdag 17 juni 2006 21:33 Aan: Peirce Discussion Forum Onderwerp: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) Wilfred and the list: The MS pages reproduced here

[peirce-l] Re: Remarks on manuscripts

2006-06-17 Thread Joseph Ransdell
David and list: I have to correct you about the photocopies, David. Any photocopies that bear the stamped numbers you describe derive from a (paper) photocopy of the manuscripts which was made independently of the Robin microfilms and any photocopies derived from \it. This second source of

[peirce-l] Re: Digitization of Peirce's work

2006-06-18 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Joseph Ransdell wrote: Wilfred says:: I think we should ask the Bill Gates foundation for this! And also just mention the importance of this to be done wherever we can. Regarding the bill gates foundation, maybe he should first know then where the electronic switch idea originates

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-18 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben and list: As regards the question of which of the three images of the triangle of boxes in the manuscript material is the one which was actually relied upon by the editors of the Collected Papers for the image of it that appears at CP 2.264, it is reasonably certain that it is the second

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-19 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Jean-Marc says: For the record, it must be added that a lot of the information found in this very exhaustive piece of work has readily been available to researchers since the 80s and before, including the work done by Robert Marty on lattices (see the chapter on 'partially ordered sets' for an

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-20 Thread Joseph Ransdell
J-MO = Jean-Marc Orliaguet JR = Joseph Ransdell J-M: Also note that the various trichotomies are not ordered. It is purely a convention to call a trichotomy the first, second, or third trichotomy, etc. So deducing an ordering of the classes from that information only, as it has been done many

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) Joseph Ransdell wrote: Jean-Marc says: I am surprised that you are claiming that the classes can be traversed by a unique, natural

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Jean-Marc: What you say below suggests a chaos in Peirce's work and in the scholarship about it which does not exist, as regards this matter in question. I have said several times here and once quite recently that all talk about Peirce's work on the trichotomies past the three presented in

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
typos. I meant,"In that case (3,2) would be a (2) concretive (3) legisign and (2,2) would be a (2) concretive (2) sinsign,..."- Best, Ben Udell - Original Message - From: "Joseph Ransdell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Peirce Discussion Forum" peirce-

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) Joseph Ransdell wrote: Ben: I don't think you or your position would lose any credibility by letting Jean-Marc have the last word on the matter. Joe Ransdell That's unfair in my opionion. Being accused of not answering, I answer to Ben with counter-arguments

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I agree, Ben. Peirce used capitalization to mark his use of a term as a technical one, a term of art. It is a common practice of his and I am certain that there is at least one place where he states this explicitly. Ill try to track down a verifying passage but it may be difficult to find.

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-22 Thread Joseph Ransdell
faculty or impotence to represent it. Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) I agree, Ben. Peirce

[peirce-l] Fw: NeuroQuantology New Issue Published, June 2006

2006-06-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
For what it's worth: the reason for my query about Neuroquantology was receipt of the message below. The unusual range of interests and accomplishments of the people on PEIRCE-L makes it a good place to raise questions about possible resources like this, doesn't it? Others should feel

[peirce-l] question about neuroquantology journal

2006-06-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
In case there was any misunderstanding, my recent message about the response to my question about the neuroquantology journal was not intended to discourage further response but rather to encourage further such questions from others as the occasion should arise. It struck me as a use for the

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign - help!

2006-06-29 Thread Joseph Ransdell
It is found in How to Make Our Ideas Clear: The opinion which is fated to be ultimately agreed to by all who investigate, is what we mean by the truth, and the object represented in this opinion is the real. That is the way I would explain reality. CP 5.407 Joe Ransdell - Original

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign - help!

2006-06-29 Thread Joseph Ransdell
of school here, but what is the ultimate fate of opinion, representation: ultimate merger with what is represented? Isn't all mind evolving toward matter, all sporting ultimately destined to end? -Original Message- From: Joseph Ransdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign - help!

2006-06-29 Thread Joseph Ransdell
question on the denouement in Peirce's cosmology. But, you're right, Joe: I think I'll retreat to Calvino. I never really recovered from trying to conceptualize the cosmological stew that preceded the sporting emergence of Firstness. -Original Message- From: Joseph Ransdell [mailto:[EMAIL

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign - help!

2006-06-30 Thread Joseph Ransdell
usual kinds of coherence. Years ago I read a newspaper column doing this, by Pete Hamill of all people, and it was really pretty funny. Also don't miss _t zero_ with The Origin of Birds. Best, Ben - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum

[peirce-l] MS 403 available at Arisbe

2006-07-20 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I just now mounted a transcription of MS 403 (1893), The Categories, at Arisbe. http://members.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/bycsp/ms403/ms403.pdf This is a rewrite -- up to a point -- of the 1867 paper on the categories, and I include in the transcription of the later paper a copy of the 1867

[peirce-l] Fw: Programa II Jornadas Peirce en Argentina

2006-07-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
This was forwarded to me by Alfredo Horoch, one of the participants in the conference in Argentina which is described below. It is gratifying to see how many scholars are involved and how widely they are dispersed throughout Central and South America now, though I can only guess at the

[peirce-l] Re: MS 403 available at Arisbe

2006-07-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Arnold, Wilfred, and list: I just noticed -- and corrected -- a transcription error that occurs in Section 3 of the 1893 version in the footnote embedded in that paragraph: I had typed "intention" where it should have been "attention". That could easily induce a conceptual error. I also

[peirce-l] Re: MS 399.663f On the sign as surrogate

2006-07-26 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben, list: Thanks for the response, Ben, and for the news from Gary about the conference. I hope Stjernfelt's paper is made generally available soon. He has an important paper in Transactions of the Peirce Society 36 (Summer 2000) called Diagrams as Centerpiece of a Peircean Epistemology..

[peirce-l] Re: MS 399.663f On the sign as surrogate

2006-07-27 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben says: I thought I was so concise that it was okay to pull the topic in my favorite direction, since it seemed brief. But I have to make some additions and corrections. Ben, I hadn't read your latest message in responding to your earlier message as I do below, and am not sure whether your

[peirce-l] MS 339.663f transcription on-line

2006-07-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I just now added the transcription of the 1909 definition of a sign in the Logic Notebook -- pages MS 339.663f -- to the copies of the MS pages http://members.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/rsources/mspages/ms339d-663f.pdf It reads better than the version I posted to the list a couple of days ago

[peirce-l] URL for Notes on Logic (MS 171)

2006-07-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben: The complete text from which that passage you were concerned with was taken is already available on-line in transcribed form at the PEP website (it was published in Writings 2): http://www.iupui.edu/~peirce/writings/v2/w2/w2_42/v2_42.htm There is a link to it from Arisbe, too. Joe

[peirce-l] Re: MS 399.663f On the sign as surrogate

2006-07-28 Thread Joseph Ransdell
I agree with you on this, Jim. I am wondering if Ben really thinks that there is any such cognitive acquaintance. I had thought he was simply misstating whatever point he was trying to make and didn't intend that. I am looking forward to his answer on that. Joe - Original Message

[peirce-l] Re: MS 399.663f On the sign as surrogate

2006-07-29 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben, I'm wondering if you are acquainted with the paper Fourthness, by Herbert Schneider in what has come to in the 1952 collection of essays _Studies in the Philosophy of Charles Sanders Peirce_, ed. Wiener Young (Harvard U Press). It is sometimes referred to retrospectively as the First

[peirce-l] Re: MS 399.663f On the sign as surrogate

2006-07-29 Thread Joseph Ransdell
of essays _Studies in the Philosophy of Charles Sanders Peirce_, ed. Wiener Young (Harvard U Press)? Joe - Original Message - From: Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: MS

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben Says: I don't know how Peirce and others have missed the distinct and irreducible logical role of verification. I keep an eye open regarding that question, that's about all. I don't have some hidden opinion on the question. Tom Short argued that there is a problem with answering how it

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben: JR: I must say that I think you are missing mypoint because of some mistaken assumption that I can't identify. The reason I gave the simple example of a common sense verification was to make as clear as I could that there is no deep logical point involved. Consider again my simple

[peirce-l] Re: Doctoral Defense

2006-08-13 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Dear Vinicius: Good to hear that your dissertation is being completed in time for you to take advantage of theconference which is occurring a few daysbefore that so that Nathan and Tom could bepresent for your defense.For personal reasons, I had to decline Lucia's invitation to appear at

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-14 Thread Joseph Ransdell
-- as Peirce would have to claim? Joe Joseph Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] . - Original Message - From: Benjamin Udell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor Jacob

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-19 Thread Joseph Ransdell
W will just have to leave it as a stand off, Ben. I have no more to say on this than I have already said. Joe - Original Message - From: Benjamin Udell To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:21 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: The "composite

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-21 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben says: BU: Jim below says things pretty near to that which I'm saying in terms of the distinction between object and sign, andit seems that the "bad regression" stuff that I've said about his previous stuff no longer applies. JR: Perhaps it never did. BU: Object and signs are roles.

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-31 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben: I was just now rereading your response to Charles, attending particularly to your citation of Peirce's concern with verification, and I really don't see in what you quote from him on this anything more than the claim that it is the special concern for making sure that something that

[peirce-l] Re: Dennett

2006-09-08 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Jim and list:: Sorry to be slow in responding. I just discovered that about half of my email has been going intothe spam folder. It's a new account and the version ofit I am using is a newformat for yahoo and still a bit clunky and erratic.(The new yahoo mail isa lot like Outlook Expressthough it

[peirce-l] reduction of the manifold to unity

2006-09-08 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Jim and list: This is just a repeat of my previous message,spell-checked and punctuated correctly, with a couple of interpolated clarifications, and minus the unphilosophical paragraphsat the beginning and end: (I will try to state it better in a later message.) As regards your question: I will

[peirce-l] SEED journal

2006-09-09 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Here is the URL for the on-line journal SEED, which has a lot of papers by Peirceans: http://www.library.utoronto.ca/see/pages/SEED_Journal.html It's edited by Edwina Taborsky. You might want to jot the URL down now or go there and get a "bookmark" or "favorites" URL for your browser. Don't

[peirce-l] Re: reduction of the manifold to unity

2006-09-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Just now getting arond to addressing your question of several days ago, Jim: you formulate it towards the end of your message as follows: JP: I don't see how a sign can represent without there being an observor role which is functionally distinct fromthe role of mere participant. So anyway that's

[peirce-l] Re: SEED journal

2006-09-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:30:06 AMSubject: [peirce-l] Re: SEED journalOn Sep 9, 2006, at 4:30 AM, Joseph Ransdell wrote:Here is the URL for the on-line journal SEED, which has a lot of papers by Peirceans: http://www.library.utoronto.ca/see/pages/SEED_Journal.htmlNote that Seed has a collection

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamenal psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-23 Thread Joseph Ransdell
As regards tthe logical vs. psychological distinction: Jeff Kasser wrote an important paper on what that distinction meant for Peirce a few years ago. The title is "Peirce's Supposed Psychologism". It;s on the ARISBE website:

[peirce-l] Re: What fundamenal psychological laws is Peirce referring to?

2006-09-24 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Dear Kirsti:: I'm short on time today and can't really answer you until tomorrow, but I ran across a llater passage in Peirce in wihch he describes what he was doing earlier, in the Fixation article, as follows. (I'm just quotting it, for what \it's worth , at the moment and will get back with

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