and then some do undef
@bar and then think defined @bar makes sense. so maybe there is a new
reason to support defined on arrays and hashes but i think it should be
disallowed.
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this amazing feature and be assured that the
audience will be amazed. :)
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a quine
(typo - should be It's - uri)
* Turns other programs into quines
* Plays Conway's Game of Life
* Animates a marquee banner
It does so without importing any modules, and without using a single if,
unless, while, until, for, foreach, goto, next, last, redo, map, or
grep.
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serializing a tree, you must get the ref version so
that is the common and default usage. your version isn't DWIMmy there at
all.
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do it
without a \() which is longer (and uglier IMO than []).
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issue of portable paths is another problem but i can't address
that.
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built in different modules. there is
plenty to steal from there so don't go reinventing this wheel just
yet. :)
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in-place sorting which is
wanted.
so you could default to sorting pairs by keys and not bother too many.
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that may be of some interest. and it only won a
technical award because damian withdrew as he was the winner the
previous two years in a row! :)
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not discovered something new in perl or perl6 regarding
sorting. it has been covered and in depth but never properly integrated
into the p6 docs.
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/subtract working and the designs for * and / are there. just needs
more coding in c. i don't have the time, focus and incentive to work on
it. a fun and smallish project for anyone with the right interest.
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to:
http://perlhunter.com/college.html
thanx,
uri, dean of the perl college.
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community.
thanx,
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. in fact we can probably find a
free stray or extra kitten somewhere near him. will this make perl 6
happen before christmas?
:-)
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;
$.something = UsefulData.new;
i don't like unnecessary blocks and indents if i can help it. unless
with else is very confusing and i never used that. i try to keep my
unless clauses to be very simple. anything complex and i revert to if.
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been mapped that way
long ago in the OS. in 30+ years that hasn't happened afaik.
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like that
are just overkill IMO.
enough from me on this. as with the rest of p6 i will work with whatever
is decided by @larry.
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rename as a function
to rename a file so there is no ambiguity.
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to protect us all! :)
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://yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?SynopsisEdit
(i should have called it DocAthon. maybe i will rename it)
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I have proposed a synopsis edit hackathon subproject at YAPC::NA. read
my ideas at:
http://yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?SynopsisEdit
feel free to edit and add your own comments.
thanx,
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congrats, grandpa!
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in most cases you won't
see many explicit skip or ws as they will be implied by the
whitespace in the rule/term/whatever that has skipping enabled.
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for
clarification. but the way p6 uses $_ in some places is much better than
p5 so that rule may need changing too. oy! the habits to be broken and
relearned!
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on the h
dangling 'h'.
a +hash object to reset the iterator explicitly.)
uri, the very punishing grammar nazi.
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. hell, she has to have
SOME flaws! :)
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CCANDO.
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AT == Audrey Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
AT Uri Guttman wrote:
one of these days when i have tuits of large circumference, i will do a
nit pass over as much of the A/E/S as i can handle before my brain
explodes. having done tech editing for perl books is good training
.
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many and are bleeding edge that the wording
used has to be extra clean of nits and such stuff as dangling pronouns
and other common flaws of technical writing.
speaking of bleeding edge? what do you call the opposite of that?
spoiler space
the coagulated edge.
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Uri == Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Uri sorting in p6 is not at all like in p5. instead of coding up an explicit
Uri comparison code block and duplicating all the key access code (for $a
Uri and $b), you will specify how
RLS == Randal L Schwartz merlyn@stonehenge.com writes:
Uri == Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Uri i will let damian handle this one (if he sees it). but an idea would be
Uri to allow some form ofkey extraction via a closure with lazy evaluation
Uri of the secondary (and slower) key
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which don't even use regular strict. perl's ability to dwim undef and
not carp or croak is a good default. just use pragmas to make it
stricter in larger programs.
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on the side of leaving undef's default behavior alone and
using a stricture to get your desirec behavior.
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LW == Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LW And if I were Jewish I'd've said Oy vey many times over. :-)
or if you were a lazy jewish perl6 hacker you would code:
say Oy Vey! for 1 .. ;
:)
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hurt anyone. you just need to know some computer
history. :)
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and that it _ for word
separation. the evil studly caps is used for module names only (where it
does seem to work better than _ would. or maybe we are just so used to
it by now). trying to change that in a scoped way will only cause pain
somewhere else.
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inheritance). so what is the
external sub interface for? we can see the need for private worker
methods and even p5 has a convention of marking such subs with a leading
_.
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mental help. please step back from the
keyboard before you commit such a sin again. the next time, i will ask
gloria to stick you with a knitting needle.
is the smiley :) or (: ?
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returning macro would run and the compiler
will replace the text of the parsed macro call and start reparsing with
the returned text. there may be some juggling of the main parse tree to
deal with this but it can be done without going too insane. :)
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thanx,
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To further expand on this, they will be AST-manipulating macros (LISP
SL style) rather than text-replacing macros (C style).
my impression is that both styles are supported as you can return either
text or an AST (compiled code) from a macro.
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. and if i get it right, *hash( @args ) is
what is needed to convert an array of pairs to be used as named params.
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) }
foo( bar() )# i would expect $a == ( a = 1 ) since there is
# no *
foo( *bar() ) # i would expect $a == 1
i think i covered most/all of the variations. but this needs to be
hammered down for all of them.
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LP == Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LP On 10/9/05, Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IB == Ingo Blechschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IB sub foo ($a) {...}
works for me. but what about lists and arrays?
my @z = ( 'a', 1 ) ;
foo( @z ) # $a = [ 'a', 1
the result as a
SC hash, and splat that
where is the hash? wouldn't you want %{} in your system? and %{} derefs
a hash and doesn't convert a list to a hash. that is what hash() does.
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is clunky and too
long. i wouldn't have minded .pairs or .each instead of kv. but alias
methods are easy to add.
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think i am getting the syntax right.
also i think it should be %Larry since there is no inherent order in the
members and all of them are randomly located. but @Larry is easier to
say out loud.
:)
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the
(reasonably) known external things about this perl. OS seems too
specific as does VM. they should just be subparts of the full env. this
is also more like an intelligent Config.pm it seems.
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LW == Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LW On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 04:27:15PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
LW : then why not name it something like *?ENV (not to be confused with the
LW : shell/exec env which is still %ENV i assume)?
LW Of course, the fact that you have to say
self.
LW use self this.
LW Did I leave anyone out?
use self that.
use self over_there.
use self where_am_i.
use self dis.
use self dat.
use self you.
:)
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for Dan!
hear! hear!!
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often. and they are at
equal huffman levels as the =() is matched in length by ==.
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w == wolverian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
w On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 07:07:02PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
please don't use == for simple assignments as it will confuse too many
newbies and auch. it (and its sister ==) are for pipelining ops like
map/grep and for forcing assignment
I think we're beginning to re-invent PDL. Poorly.
but is there a p6 pdl yet? they may not need much with multi-dim ops,
slices, hyper and reduce all built in! also with type int (patform
ints), they can get the dense storage needed (but losing any dimensional
flexibility).
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/reduce, it should be well commented.
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. tree results are
more for real parsing (which split is not intended to do) so use a
parsing rule for that.
also note the coding style rule (i think randal created it) which is to
use split when you want to throw things away (the delimiters) and m//
when you want to keep thinks.
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backspace?
PRM For as long as I can remember \b has meant word boundary in
PRM regular expressions. :-) :-)
except in char classes where it gets its backspace meaning back.
:-)
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DC == Damian Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DC Uri Guttman wrote:
DC Sure. Just as $42 is a shorthand for $/[42], so too $whatever is a
DC shorthand for $/whatever.
but then what about the different index bases for $42 and $/[42]? i
don't think that has been resolved (nor has
for $42 and $/[42]? i
don't think that has been resolved (nor has mixing the $1.1 and $1[1]
syntaxes).
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and it is
1 based. you can use any expressions with the latter and it is 0
based. by allowing $1[$j].1 you save only 1 char over $1[$j][0] and
would cause major confusion IMO.
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be $/files and $/dir?
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AS == Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
AS On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 22:51, Uri Guttman wrote:
LW == Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LW multi sub opensocket (
LW Str +$mode = 'rw',
LW Str +$encoding = 'auto',
LW Str [EMAIL PROTECTED]) returns IO;
and how
var names you choose
matters but i think it would be clearer if used as a real example in
some future docs.
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@xyzzy
you are brainfucking me! stop it now!!
:)
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of i/o in a consistant manner. it is much more than
just a polymorphic open or io::all. they only address one aspect of i/o
(initiating an i/o request) and that skips read/write/fcntl/event loops
and more.
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prefer if opensocket's signature were fully fleshed out with
named args (with some defaults). just passing in an extra list is a poor
api as there are so many socket options. just read PBP (when it comes
out) for damian's take on long arg lists. :)
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MF == Matt Fowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MF All~
MF On 5/2/05, Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LW == Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LW multi sub opensocket (
LW Str +$mode = 'rw',
LW Str +$encoding = 'auto',
LW Str [EMAIL PROTECTED]) returns IO;
and how
that autothreading could be
parallel underneath if that is supported. maybe choosing the desired
implementation would be a pragma.
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and continuations/coroutines instead
of callbacks. this means a yield type of func is needed (return is yeild
in typical event loops).
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a way to do this. there is a dim operator to
set dimensions. so it would be something like this:
%hash{ dim @a }
or is $hash has a hash ref:
$hash{ dim @a }
i cc'ed p6l so i can/will be corrected.
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is needed).
in my world undef is a scalar value and nothing else. how do you see it
in p6?
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? how do you see the error in @a?
i just don't like seeing undef used for error handling as it has too
many other uses (even if i did it in stem). just make undef a scalar
value and not a function nor a error marker.
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: in my world undef is a scalar value and nothing else. how do you see it
LW : in p6?
LW undef is not a scalar value, it is the explicit *absence* of a value
LW where you expected one. In Perl 6, undef is the Bearer of Bad News.
oy! i feel the pain of the late night phone call. :)
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MD Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LW == Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LW oct and hex are arguably misnamed, since most functions are named by
LW what they produce, not by what they take as input. I don't know what
LW
what they do? or a more general
from_base( 16, $hex )? and that could be curried into from_hex().
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. Can we remove the vagueness and deprcate it completely?
LW Yes, please.
i have seen p5 newbies ask about using it. oy!!
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that guido doesn't like to think more than he has too :).
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where it
resides, in a module (best bet IMO) or core language.
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it's okay to have lazy junctions, I won't argue with them.
lazy only when you can actually cheat IMO.
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explicitly.
why not leave it as $?SUB but it is an object and you use the .name
method? this way you won't clutter the namespace and you can add more
methods like .signature, .returns, etc.
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LW == Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LW On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 01:55:07AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
LW : why not leave it as $?SUB but it is an object and you use the .name
LW : method?
LW Uh, yeah. Obviously, 11 pm is still to early in the day for me
(a = 13) or
IB # the Int 13?
$x is 13 now as you assigned it. to assign the value of the pair as an
lvalue i think you would do:
$x.value = 13 ;
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off suggesting -, then.
LP Well, there's half the problem. Now we just need to determine if
LP 'my' can leave its post as a unary declarator.
that fixes Stéphane's problem with my yall proposal. and yall solves the
unary my problem. :)
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RA == Rod Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
RA Uri Guttman wrote:
that fixes Stéphane's problem with my yall proposal. and yall solves the
unary my problem. :)
RA Stop misusing y'all before this Texan has to hurt you.
RA And y'all wonder why we hate you damn yankees. Can't even
there.
so if you have no valid value chars or are out of range (as with \777),
then i would want to know as i made a mistake. leading pad 0's can be
skipped if some legal value is found.
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be away for the rest of the week, but will happily continue to
DC argue when I return. ;-)
so where do you go for an argument when you are away?
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# set(none(2));-)
NC I don't understand this last line, even given the context of the
NC preceding three. Why is it none of 2, rather than none of
NC something else?
my guess is a typo and $x should be $n.
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. :-)
DW To quote Noah, what's a qubit?
RGGTTT
:)
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up. it is symmetrical to LAST in
that way. it should print the former text each time the sub is called.
but i could be wrong. :)
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) -. for() is called
immediately but with a different signature as you said. the void context
would help the optimizer since you don't save the code block for later
reuse, no cloning should be done.
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(or even designed by conway :)
MP = ??
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as 'a | b' in
that there is no guarantee of order in junctions. but there is no
guarantee of evaluating all of the elements in a junction, it can short
curcuit as soon as it can determine a correct boolean result (assuming a
boolean result is wanted).
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parsing grammars as in Grammar::Perl.
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them on queues.
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