Hi Peter,
PB Protel will do drag connected tracks for a single component - but if
PB set to do this, you can't rotate components (think of the mess you'd get
PB if you could drag tracks while rotating components!) In P99SE, the
PB selection is under Tools/Preferences/Options - Component Drag.
Have you got a virus scanner active. I have seen a misinstalled virus
checker play havoc with Protels .ini files, leaving them blank, incomplete
and just plain missing. Upgrading to the latest version of checker fixed all
the Protel problems.
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Saputelli
I just got OpenOffice the other day. I was focused on reading in a word
document at the time. I tried opening a few Word documents, but all it seemed
to do was crash for me.
I did note while it was installing, that there was some kind of a 3D
viewer or editor tool in OpenOffice too? I had
Parts Vendors
http://www.trilogydesign.com
-Original Message-
From: Don Mayfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 23:25
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] BOMs
Hi All,
I know BOM handling software has been talked about over time but I
wonder if
I have noticed that OpenOffice 1.0 (Windows version) will sometimes crash
when opening a Word document if you do it by double-clicking on the filename
in Windows Explorer. But, if you open the Word document from the File-Open
dialog it works OK.
Could be a file association problem?
If you feel
Yuri,
while your drag for a single component may be working, I am sure
that I recall something else will stop working as desired. I cannot recall
exactly what is involved but with the Options Drag setting enabled I
remember that there is something else which does not function correctly.
Don,
I would also give Ionos a thorough checking out. Their tool seems to
be well integrated to Protel and is definitely more Protel compliant then
Parts Vendors which we use. I had not learned of Ionos until well after we
had bought and set-up PV, too late to consider them in our search
i just hit the 'restore defaults' button in layer display order dialog
don't do it!
all my mech layers disappeared except when they were current
i had to go hack the ADVPCB*.ini file to put back all the 'new' mech
layers
Dennis Saputelli
Full-Bore Rant Is On:
I must say, this particular bug
Hi Peter,
you are correct about that but I believe there was another less
related/obvious consequence to selecting the connected tracks option for
component drag. I know that I fought with this problem years ago now for
approx. 1/2 day, called Tech Support and they had me turn off the
A virus scanner interfering with file writes is certainly a
possibility, but in my case it's definitely not the answer.
Protel99SE trashes the ini file (gets an exception error while
writing the ini files, actually) on program exit with any ddb
still open. This happens fairly predictably, about
here, here Frank! (or is it hear, hear?)
rant on, you are absolutely correct
i think you should forward your rant to Protel
there is another very similar 'issue' (the polite word)
for many of us (but not for all of us) the Select Holesize function is
broken after a reinstall
there are a series
Frank,
you are starting to sound like I used to when I first came back to
using Protel a couple of years ago. Take a 'lude' and chill out dude. We all
know that Protel product support and programming acuity is a joke. There is
only one way that Protel will ever listen, stop giving them
that's funny, we've never seen that problem
we have DDB shut down problems (compaction doesn't work on one machine)
but not that particular problem
go figure
Dennis Saputelli
Matt Pobursky wrote:
A virus scanner interfering with file writes is certainly a
possibility, but in my case it's
Matt,
did you see my posting a few days ago about a new revised clean
re-install, Friday I believe? You mention fresh installs, did you delete
all the *.bpl and *.dpl files from your system before re-installing?
I don't know what could be your problem but it certainly isn't
Where is that menu function? I couldn't find a 'restore defaults' button,
and since you quoted it, I'm assuming that's what the button actually
says???
Are you talking about Tools/Preferences/Display/LayerDrawingOrder/Default ?
If so, that doesn't do to me what it's doing to you. Maybe that's
i have been whining about the 'printer bug' for a while
i got nowhere w/ protel support
they 'never heard of it' and could not reproduce it
well i have just reproduced again, and here is the story
the printer for one of our machines is a network printer attached to the
UPS shipping computer
tools, preferences, display tab, layer drawing order button, default
button
(which i think is what you said below)
the symptom is that mechanical layers greater than mech 4 will not
display unless they are the current layer even if they are ON
examining the ADVPCB ini file there is a section
I run ProtelSE sp6 on Win4Lin 4. I switched over almost two years now from
NT4. Win4Lin only supports Win98/SE/ME so I use Win98SE. I have a Dual
Celeron 300 I build a few years ago and even though win98 doesn't sopport
dual CPUs, under win4lin it utilizes both CPU's. I found that my
Dennis,
Sounds like it has something to do with the UPS printer driver setup,
possibly a port conflict.
Joe
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] the printer bug once
Tony,
you have the right button. After pressing the default button your
display will only display Mech layers 5 - 16 as though they are in single
layer display mode only. If you enable multiple mech layers 5 - 16 and try
to display them simultaneously, they won't. You will only be able to
WOW, yeah that's messed up alright!! I just tried it. That sucks!
Now to fix it... damn it.
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] restore defaults in layer order display
no, it's protel schematic not handling a nonexistant printer gracefully
Dennis Saputelli
Joe Sapienza wrote:
Dennis,
Sounds like it has something to do with the UPS printer driver setup,
possibly a port conflict.
Joe
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL
Well that's just ridiculous. The router's ability to complete a board has
nothing to do with the OS except for when you bump up against memory
limitations (which is fairly unlikely in your system) The autorouter code is
an encapsulated function, and besides, you are still running Win98SE, it's
ah a man after my own heart, a real button pusher!
my comment shows how to fix it if you have a backup of the ini file
i'm sure you know to close protel first
Dennis Saputelli
Tony Karavidas wrote:
WOW, yeah that's messed up alright!! I just tried it. That sucks!
Now to fix it... damn
Is it possible that they somehow manage to get around the 64K resource
limits of Win98/SE/ME?
-Original Message-
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice 3D CAD)
Jason Van Dellen wrote:
If I need to run
Windows Apps(eg Protel), I run Win4Lin. http://www.netraverse.com/
So, you're saying Protel 99SE works well under Win4Lin? I've been running
it under Win2K in a VMWare virtual machine, but if I can skip all that,
it may be a lot better than running
Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
Jon,
in PCB Editor you go to Tools-Preferences-Options-Component Drag and choose
Connected Tracks mode. That would enable you to drag tracks. It works as it always
did, since the DOS times. I have W2K and P99SE SP6. It drags the first segment of the
track connected to
Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
Don,
for the same reasons I see Protel (ie Altium) starting to lose thier user base. With
the ATS useless and increase in prices people will start looking elsewhere. How could
they explain charging us for the ATS and then they claim to stop support for the
P99SE. What
Tony,
It's not all Windows services, Win4Lin uses proprietary DLLs and drivers they
have written. So the hardware and resource management services are handled
differently then if you were in native Windows. The support staff at
Netraverse.com could tell you more I'm sure. I just know from
Anyone heard of a Linux based PCB CAD program?
Cadsoft has Eagle for Linux, I've installed it and looked at it, but that was
about it. I haven't made anything with it yet. But I know my last company I
was with has switch to it.
http://www.cadsoft.de/index.htm
Jason
i have no love lost for Uncle Bill, but i wouldn't bet against him
either
i would wager that 2-3 years from now MS is as dominant as ever and that
although Linux will show strong growth it will still be for gearheads
and backroom operations mostly
if Linux becomes a genuine threat he will just
I disagree. From their site, they talk about Win4Lin and Wine:
Wine is a Windows system call emulator. Win4Lin is not at all like Wine
because Win4Lin provides a virtual PC that real Windows runs in. Using a
virtual PC to run your Windows applications is more reliable than using Wine
or similar
On 11:29 AM 9/07/2002 -0500, Frank Gilley said:
i just hit the 'restore defaults' button in layer display order dialog
don't do it!
all my mech layers disappeared except when they were current
i had to go hack the ADVPCB*.ini file to put back all the 'new' mech
layers
Dennis Saputelli
Ivan:
Yes unfortunately you still need a valid License of win98, and you still can
buy win98SE OEM with new PC's if you ask for it. But you are right, who
wants to give M$ more money.
There is an emulator that is getting very close. Wine from codeweavers.com
is fairly nice. It will run
On 11:27 AM 9/07/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas said:
WOW, yeah that's messed up alright!! I just tried it. That sucks!
Now to fix it... damn it.
Two ways I know of:
1) Use the advise in KB Item 2805 - delete the PCB ini file.
2) Manually change the ini file to put the missing layer number back
Jon ,
it is supposed to drag track endpoints. Does not drag selection. Hope you did not pay
ATS.
Igor
-Original Message-
From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2002 5:08 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Drag Selection in PCB Editor
Igor
Tony,
I can see where your coming from. I understand that Win4Lin is a Virtual PC.
And I don't know all that Win4lin has done, but I do know when I look at the
system files in the windows install from Linux some of them have a symlink
that points to Win4Lin files.
Eg. mrgpmon.dll points to
So, you're saying Protel 99SE works well under Win4Lin?
Yes, but you still need the cab files and a Lisence.
After you install Win4Lin it asks for the cab files from a CD or Location.
Then when you install windows under win4lin for the user you want it for - It
will install from the cab
Sounds like a miracle! :)
Maybe MS should investigate how their OS should run by looking at Win4Lin.
Seriously, maybe Win4Lin provides a 'nicer' system to Windows (more memory,
smarter swapping algorithms, etc.) Yeah, I should give it a shot.
Thanks,
Tony
-Original Message-
From:
Sounds like a miracle! :)
Maybe MS should investigate how their OS should run by
looking at Win4Lin.
Seriously, maybe Win4Lin provides a 'nicer' system to Windows
(more memory,
smarter swapping algorithms, etc.) Yeah, I should give it a shot.
win4lin doesn't provide more memory to
Is winfor lin a separate shell i.e. is it to replace Red Hat etc, what Linux software
do you use?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:06 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice
I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's
just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question.
It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll
just keep forking out hard earned money for defective software.
Likewise here, based
Is winfor lin a separate shell i.e. is it to replace Red Hat etc, what
Linux software do you use?
It's a separate application you install on any supported Linux Distribution
like:
Red Hat(r) Linux
Caldera eDesktop
SuSE(tm) Linux
Linux-Mandrake(tm)
List taken from
I'm running Win4Lin on RH7.3 on a dual processor PII350 256MB machine.
I have Win98SE and have just recently installed Protel98 which seems to run
very nicely... not much testing yet.
I couldn't get the trial of 99SE to install because it doesn't recognize the
partition type.
When using the SMP
That's the problem, 99SE to install because it doesn't recognize the
partition type.
How much is your time worth messing around will all the little gotchas just
like that one?
$150 to microsoft is no big deal for me to pay for windows and have
Protel99SE install correctly. I tried OS2 back in
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