On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:23:06AM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
I use tabbed editors all the time (Kate, Notepad++) and find them to
be excellent. Tastes will obviously vary though, since there are even
people out there that use vim and emacs voluntarily ;)
Sorry for being a wet blanket but
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
Sorry for being a wet blanket but vim implements tabbed windows even in
console (text) mode. (-:
Oh, I know vim and emacs are actually incredibly powerful once you
learn how to use them. I'm just a child of the GUI
On 07/15/2010 07:13 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Oleg Broytmanp...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
Sorry for being a wet blanket but vim implements tabbed windows even in
console (text) mode. (-:
Oh, I know vim and emacs are actually incredibly powerful once you
learn how
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
Sorry for being a wet blanket but vim implements tabbed windows even in
console (text) mode. (-:
Oh, I know vim and emacs are actually incredibly
Neil Hodgson wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull:
But it's very important to be able to *move* tabs across windows or
panes. ...
In many apps, however, you would have to select the foo.c tab, close
it, bring up a new window, and open foo.c using the long path
(presumably with a file browser
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
Neil Hodgson wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull:
But it's very important to be able to *move* tabs across windows or
panes. ...
In many apps, however, you would have to select the foo.c tab, close
it, bring up a new window,
One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing
multiple files within the same window.
Having that alone would be a great improvement.
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Am 12.07.2010 00:51, schrieb Mark Lawrence:
I have been attempting to fill this hole and have been faced with
animosity from people who hang out on the python-dev IRC channel. I
thought it was a complete and utter waste of space, so I don't intend
going back.
I agree with everything
Georg Brandl wrote:
Am 12.07.2010 00:51, schrieb Mark Lawrence:
I have been attempting to fill this hole and have been faced with
animosity from people who hang out on the python-dev IRC channel. I
thought it was a complete and utter waste of space, so I don't intend
going back.
I
On 14/07/2010 09:10, Georg Brandl wrote:
Am 12.07.2010 00:51, schrieb Mark Lawrence:
I have been attempting to fill this hole and have been faced with
animosity from people who hang out on the python-dev IRC channel. I
thought it was a complete and utter waste of space, so I don't intend
On 7/14/2010 4:10 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Sure, and if it was work time, we probably would do this ;). As it is
right now, this is volunteer time, and I would say that we're entitled
to do whatever helps us getting done the (not always exciting) work,
and our IRC crap talk, if that's what it
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:34:27 -0400
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
So I can see that pushing to make it a business meeting would not be too
welcome. What I would like is an online sprint with a temporary
#python-triage channel, with at least one commit-developer present.
It should be
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/14/2010 4:10 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Sure, and if it was work time, we probably would do this ;). As it is
right now, this is volunteer time, and I would say that we're entitled
to do whatever helps us getting done the (not always exciting) work,
and our IRC crap
On 7/14/2010 2:35 AM, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing
multiple files within the same window.
Having that alone would be a great improvement.
Yes, the same as tabs for browsing was.
This is firstly an unlying gui widget set issue. Tk
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:34, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 7/14/2010 4:10 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Sure, and if it was work time, we probably would do this ;). As it is
right now, this is volunteer time, and I would say that we're entitled
to do whatever helps us getting done the
2010/7/14 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu:
On 7/14/2010 2:35 AM, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing
multiple files within the same window.
Having that alone would be a great improvement.
Yes, the same as tabs for browsing was.
This is
On 7/14/2010 12:58 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:34:27 -0400
Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu wrote:
So I can see that pushing to make it a business meeting would not be too
welcome. What I would like is an online sprint with a temporary
#python-triage channel, with at least one
2010/7/14 Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com:
2010/7/14 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu:
On 7/14/2010 2:35 AM, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing
multiple files within the same window.
Having that alone would be a great improvement.
Yes,
http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.html#ttk-themed-widgets-for-tk
Sorry, I realized just now that ttk is already included in Python 2.7 and 3.2.
2010/7/14 Giampaolo Rodolà g.rod...@gmail.com:
2010/7/14 Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com:
2010/7/14 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu:
On 7/14/2010
Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing
multiple files within the same window.
While tabs seem to work well for web browsing, I'm not so
sure about using them for source editing. Often I want to
display two or more files side by side, which
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing
multiple files within the same window.
While tabs seem to work well for web browsing, I'm not so
sure about using them
2010/7/14 Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz:
Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing
multiple files within the same window.
While tabs seem to work well for web browsing, I'm not so
sure about using them for source editing. Often I
Guilherme Polo writes:
Adding tabs doesn't necessarily mean a single window, you should be
able to continue using multiple windows with single tabs if that is
your preference.
But it's very important to be able to *move* tabs across windows or
panes. For example, in XEmacs this is a
Stephen J. Turnbull:
But it's very important to be able to *move* tabs across windows or
panes. ...
In many apps, however, you would have to select the foo.c tab, close
it, bring up a new window, and open foo.c using the long path
(presumably with a file browser interface, but often enough
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:08:07 -0400
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 7/12/2010 2:05 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
What I specifically want right now is Commit Authorization Privilege,
especially for IDLE,
Not sure who could grant that, but as far as I can: you have it.
If I were
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 18:20, Tal Einat talei...@gmail.com wrote:
The (hopefully) compelling arguments were others, such as the sentence
following the one you quoted:
I think that in its current state, IDLE may still be helpful for
learning Python, but it is more likely to drive away
What I specifically want right now is Commit Authorization Privilege,
especially for IDLE,
Not sure who could grant that, but as far as I can: you have it.
Regards,
Martin
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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
Stephen Hansen wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com
mailto:ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
By never had a problem do you mean using some of the latest
versions
? Here, running
-On [20100712 08:26], Stephen Hansen (apt.shan...@gmail.com) wrote:
But I, personally, would consider it a significant loss if IDLE went the way of
the dodo or a third-party module.
Why would it be a significant loss if it went the way of a third party
module? Clearly right now it's not being
Am 12.07.2010 10:06, schrieb Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven:
-On [20100712 08:26], Stephen Hansen (apt.shan...@gmail.com) wrote:
But I, personally, would consider it a significant loss if IDLE went the way
of
the dodo or a third-party module.
Why would it be a significant loss if it went
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF funds
might help; if every
single bug were actively triaged and responded to, even if it weren't
reviewed,
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
-On [20100712 08:26], Stephen Hansen (apt.shan...@gmail.com) wrote:
But I, personally, would consider it a significant loss if IDLE went
the way of the dodo or a third-party module.
Why would it be a significant loss if it went the way
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP window with a simple menubar. Those
who haven't looked at it for awhile may not be aware of the recent
advances
After a few keystrokes in the interactive interpreter, I got the
following traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File Lib/idlelib/idle.py, line 11, in module
idlelib.PyShell.main()
File /home/antoine/py3k/__svn__/Lib/idlelib/PyShell.py, line 1420,
in main
root.mainloop()
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
funds might help; if every
single bug
On 12/07/2010 2.56, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
As for assigning bugs, I've been told to use the maintainer.rst list, so
either the list is wrong, or I've had finger problems. If it's the
latter I again say sorry.
I see. What copy have you been using specifically? I think I need to
remove myself
geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:13:21 +0100, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
On 11/07/2010 19:40, Martin v. L=F6wis wrote:
There clearly are *some* folks who care enough about IDLE to submit
bug reports and fixes. How about we empower these people by giving at
least one of them commit
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP window with a simple menubar. Those
who haven't looked at it for
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:12:10 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
Ok, I've just tried IDLE (on py3k) for the first time in years. Under
Linux, the look is ugly and outdated; it uses some kind of Motif-like
widgets.
That's because Linux isn't using Tk 8.5 yet. Debian defaults to
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP
On 12/07/2010 11:37, geremy condra wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Stefan Krahste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Nollerjnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condradebat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
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Tal Einat wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
I have been using IDLE since 2002 and have been doing my best to help
maintain and further develop IDLE since 2005.
I'm surprised by the amount of interest this
On Jul 12, 2010, at 4:34 AM, Éric Araujo wrote:
Plus, http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/report/15 is a useful resource
for core developers with only a little bit of free time to do a
review.
Title: “Review Tickets, By Order You Should Review Them In”
I haven’t found a description of this
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:12:10 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
Ok, I've just tried IDLE (on py3k) for the first time in years. Under
Linux, the look is ugly and outdated; it uses some kind of Motif-like
widgets.
That's because Linux
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, geremy condra wrote:
No offense, but I've been specifically asked not to do demos with IDLE
because it looked 'unprofessional'. Given the constraint of working
within tkinter that may not be something you can work around, but I'm
sure you can see that from a certain
Stephen Hansen apt.shan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
Stephen Hansen wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com
mailto:ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
By never had a problem do you mean using
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:23:04 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
What distro are you using? Tk8.6 is still in beta.
It's Mandriva 2010.1
Still looks crummy? Bummer.
Yes.
Fine, I showed it as an example of the improvement in 8.5. Most people,
I think, are using Windows or Macs.
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Bill Janssen jans...@parc.com wrote:
Steve, you encouraged me to try it again. From an xterm on OS X 10.5.8,
it launches fine (long as you know where it is --
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/idle).
Seems to work OK for what it
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com wrote:
There might be another alternative.
Both idle and pydoc are applications (are there others?) that are in the
standard library. As such, they or parts of them, are possibly importable
to other projects. That restricts changes
On 12/07/2010 19:21, Ian Bicking wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com
mailto:r...@ronadam.com wrote:
There might be another alternative.
Both idle and pydoc are applications (are there others?) that are
in the standard library. As such, they or parts
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, geremy condra wrote:
No offense, but I've been specifically asked not to do demos with IDLE
because it looked 'unprofessional'. Given the constraint of working
within tkinter that may not be something
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens with notepad. Perhaps the
installer just copies forward the association from long ago, before IDLE
was available, or at least so
Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens with notepad. Perhaps the
installer just copies forward the association from long ago,
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens with notepad. Perhaps the
installer just
On 12/07/2010 23:00, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens
On 12 July 2010 23:00, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
There should be an Edit with IDLE (sic) context menu item.
I agree, and thought about requesting such, but there is not and never has
been for me that I know of.
There is for me. I think
On 07/12/2010 01:21 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com
mailto:r...@ronadam.com wrote:
There might be another alternative.
Both idle and pydoc are applications (are there others?) that are in
the standard library. As such, they or
On 7/12/2010 2:05 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
What I specifically want right now is Commit Authorization Privilege,
especially for IDLE,
Not sure who could grant that, but as far as I can: you have it.
If I were approved to commit patches directly, then by implication I
should be able to
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 12.07.2010 23:21, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:46 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
On Windows, IDLE opens when you right click / edit a .py. Very useful.
On my xp machine with 3.1.2, it edit .py opens
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/12/2010 2:05 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
What I specifically want right now is Commit Authorization Privilege,
especially for IDLE,
Not sure who could grant that, but as far as I can: you have it.
If I were approved to commit patches directly,
On 7/12/2010 6:50 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 13.07.2010 00:00, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 7/12/2010 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
There should be an Edit with IDLE (sic) context menu item.
I agree, and thought about requesting such
You misunderstand.
To the contrary. You
On 7/12/2010 10:49 PM, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
I've not had experience with patches from Terry. I don't think there are
any in IDLE, at least not acknowledged in NEWS.
You posts in the last day have told me a lot more about you. Let me
introduce myself to you in turn.
I have been involved
On 7/11/10 7:31 AM, Tal Einat wrote:
However, I still think IDLE is not currently in a state that it should
be suggested for use by beginners.
Being one of those beginners... here's my $0.02 worth.
IDLE being instantly available on pretty much anything I care to try my
hand at python on...
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
By never had a problem do you mean using some of the latest versions
? Here, running idle from a mac terminal and trying to type: print
hi crashes when entering the quotation mark.
Huh? Works fine for me. Python 2.6.1,
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
I have been using IDLE since 2002 and have been doing my best to help
maintain and further develop IDLE since 2005.
I'm surprised by the amount of interest this has raised already. To
answer a few questions that were raised:
In
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:33:28 -0400
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
The problem here, it seems to me, is that all issues are autoassigned to
an inactive person (KBK) who does not really accept them except once a
year or so. I do not know whether all other commiter are unwilling to
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
-1000. From the Python training department, I would like to say that this
would be a horrible idea. Having taught numerous on-site training courses for
Python, the one thing that I've learned is that you never know what
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Beazley d...@dabeaz.com wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
-1000. From the Python training department, I would like to say that this
would be a horrible idea. Having taught numerous on-site training courses
On 11-7-2010 14:52, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Beazleyd...@dabeaz.com wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
-1000. From the Python training department, I would like to say that this
would be a horrible idea. Having
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Tal Einat wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
I have been using IDLE since 2002 and have been doing my best to help
maintain and further develop IDLE since 2005.
I'm surprised by the amount of interest this has raised
Guido van Rossum wrote:
David Beazley wrote:
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
-1000. From the Python training department, I would like to say that this
would be a horrible idea.
Right. IDLE fits a niche. It's never going to be the world's best
Python
Tal Einat talei...@gmail.com wrote:
Although several people say that they think having IDLE in the stdlib
is important, the fact is that IDLE is considered quite unimportant by
most of the Python community. Having IDLE in the stdlib may be
convenient for a few people, but most never use it
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't improved
much since 2005 despite my efforts. For example, see
http://bugs.python.org/issue1529142, where
There clearly are *some* folks who care enough about IDLE to submit
bug reports and fixes. How about we empower these people by giving at
least one of them commit privileges? IDLE development has often been
done by people who aren't otherwise contributing to the core, and we
surely should
On Jul 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't improved
much since 2005 despite my efforts. For
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
funds might help; if every single bug were actively triaged and
responded to, even if it weren't reviewed, and patch contributors were
directed to take specific steps to elicit a response or a review, the
fact that patch
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:59:14 -0400
Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
Guido proposes to give someone interested in IDLE commit access, and
hopefully that will help in this particular area. But, as I recall, at the
last language summit there was quite a bit of
discussion about
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 05:22:28PM +0300, Tal Einat wrote:
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't improved
much since 2005 despite my efforts.
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:59:14 -0400, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com
wrote:
On Jul 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Martin v. L=F6wis wrote:
I can understand that this is frustrating, but please understand that
this is not specific to your patches, or to IDLE. Many other patches on
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 13:30, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:59:14 -0400, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com
wrote:
On Jul 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Martin v. L=F6wis wrote:
I can understand that this is frustrating, but please understand that
this is
On 11/07/2010 20:47, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 05:22:28PM +0300, Tal Einat wrote:
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't
Am 11.07.2010 20:59, schrieb Glyph Lefkowitz:
On Jul 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:30 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
So, this is indeed an area where improvement is theoretically possible,
but I'm not sure how we get from here to there. As you say, one option is
for the PSF to fund people to do it somehow. (I'd be happy to be one
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't improved
much since 2005 despite my efforts. For example, see
I am aware of the situation with regard to issue reviews, but I think
with IDLE there is more going on. In other parts of the Python
codebase, a workaround for a major usability issue wouldn't normally
have taken nearly three years to resolve after a working patch was
submitted.
Oh sure it
On 07/10/2010 06:05 PM, Tal Einat wrote:
Hello,
I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
I have been using IDLE since 2002 and have been doing my best to help
maintain and further develop IDLE since 2005.
In recent years IDLE has received negligible interest and
On 11/07/2010 19:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:
On Jul 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't improved
On 11/07/2010 23:18, Tal Einat wrote:
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Initially (five years ago!) I tried to overcome these issues by
improving IDLE, solving problems and adding a few key features.
Without going into details, suffice to say that IDLE hasn't improved
much since 2005 despite my efforts.
2010/7/11 Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk:
I have been attempting to fill this hole and have been faced with animosity
from people who hang out on the python-dev IRC channel. I thought it was
a complete and utter waste of space, so I don't intend going back. I would
like things fixed,
On 11/07/2010 19:40, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
There clearly are *some* folks who care enough about IDLE to submit
bug reports and fixes. How about we empower these people by giving at
least one of them commit privileges? IDLE development has often been
done by people who aren't otherwise
2010/7/11 Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk:
I can understand your frustration, but in response to an appeal from Terry
Reedy some weeks back on c.l.py I've done a substantial amount of work in
the last couple of weeks to clear outstanding issues, sadly IDLE just sits
in the pile. Ow, but
On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Unfortunately, it's often not clear what the submitter wants: does she
want to help, or want to get help? For a bug report, I often post a
message can you provide a patch?, but sometimes, it isn't that clear.
Perhaps this is the one area
On Jul 11, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Honestly, how would you feel as a committer to have scores of issues assigned
to you -- as a consequence of speedy triage -- knowing that you have to invest
potentially hours of volunteer time into them, while the person doing the
triaging is
Stephen Hansen wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com
mailto:ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
By never had a problem do you mean using some of the latest versions
? Here, running idle from a mac terminal and trying to type: print
hi crashes when entering
IIRC Terry Reedy has already volunteered to do this
Hmm. I don't recall that happening.
As for assigning bugs, I've been told to use the maintainer.rst list, so
either the list is wrong, or I've had finger problems. If it's the
latter I again say sorry.
I see. What copy have you been
On 12/07/2010 00:56, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
IIRC Terry Reedy has already volunteered to do this
Apologies to Terry if this is incorrect, but I believe this to be the case.
Hmm. I don't recall that happening.
As for assigning bugs, I've been told to use the maintainer.rst list, so
either
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Martin,
Thanks for your response.
IIRC Terry Reedy has already volunteered to do this, if I'm incorrect I'll
apologise right now to both of you.
As for assigning bugs, I've been told to use the maintainer.rst
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:59:14 -0400
Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
Guido proposes to give someone interested in IDLE commit access, and
hopefully that will help in this particular area. But, as I
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